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- kenvsryu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+84The games will decide whether or not the ps3 can match the ps2's success. At launch this is hard to discuss.
- swgc5, on 10/12/2007, -5/+83@ Jeyrad
The PS2 had horrible launch titles. - wonderboy, on 10/12/2007, -21/+51I can think of about 600 reasons why it won't.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Xbox launched with Halo.
360 took 1 year to get its first "oh *****" title that wasn't available on PC too. So 360 didn't launch with a compelling lineup.
360 is selling more slowly than Xbox did in its first year.
I'm not saying 360 can't make it, far from it. But there's nothing yet to say Sony can't be in the drivers seat again this time. - MrMuffMeat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+37Be sure to read the ten reasons why it won't succeed on this link as well; It gives some great insight to why the PS3 will not repeat history, mainly being because They are ***** now, and Microsoft has secured better titles for this system than the original XBOX, and Nintendo is going to own a larger share of the market this time as well. I believe Sony has lost their death grip on the gaming market this generation.
- ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25@ Jeyrad
The Dreamcast was out 11 months before the PS2. The Dreamcast also sported the standard CD-ROM (OK it wasn't a standard CD-ROM but it was not a DVD-ROM) - AwRy108, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21^ "chewing gum batteries"?
- mrkmrk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Erm. Wii uses standard DVDs.
- biochem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18yeah, remember those slim batteries they made for their slim portable cd players? they were nicknamed "chewing gum batteries" because they looked like a package of juicy fruit.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Digg users want the PS3 to fail and Sony to go bankrupt. They can point to a dozen "fatal" mistakes Sony has made and accurately predict their doom.
The reality though is the PS1 and PS2 were huge successes and there's no reason to think *normal* consumers won't be embracing them.
The price is steep, but times have changed. Kids walk around with $400 worth of mp3 player and $800 worth of cell phone these days. - motang, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Too early to tell.
- Daniel591992, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13If all of them did well the world would be a better place :)
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25I can take away 100 of those reasons.
- daridave, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19If any history is repeating itself, I am seeing a "PSP vs DS" history repeat, not a PS2 vs Cube (or Xbox) match.
Why? Simple. New philosophies by Nintendo. Same, lame ideas for SONY since PS1 (which is why PSP suxx, handheld or not). Innovation versus horsepower, you know where that got the PSP.
And while I wanted a DVD player so bad just because I was SICK and TIRED of rewinding VHS tapes, I don't give a crap about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, because I'm 100% fine with the quality of my huge DVD collection that I am NOT ready to replace.
History repeating itself? Yeah, but not the episode SONY wishes. - Hydroxyl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Did they explode?
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I'm starting to believe yes. I didn't believe it when I got my 360 last November. But MS hasn't gone far with the 360 (about 6 AAA titles in 1 year), so the door is open. Sony could do it.
But right now, it's too close to call. I'll be watching intently. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Well, I see I'm being dugg down, so I guess I'll try defend what I said
I'm not saying the PS3 merits success, just that I think it's likely to get it regardless
Among the digg crowd/tech minded people the PS3 will fail, they wont buy into it
But the general public will. And there's a lot more of them - Bob042, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"Same old, Same old" is hardly a compelling reason for me to buy a $600 console personally.
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"Did they explode?"
Doubt it--nobody bothered buying one. - Gizmort, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I was in Best Buy today when they set up the PS3 display. I was one of the first people to see and play this thing. A crowd quickly gathered. I have to say. It was truly amazing. Honestly I was more excited about the Wii. I always like my PS2. Guess I will have to slip a PS3 under my Christmas tree for me. I am getting a Wii for my Kids. (well and me too)
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I think that they don't see the Xbox 360 as an alternative, that they see it as something completely different
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10And read last year's comparison they did between the Dreamcast and the 360 predicting the failure of the 360.
- jonbon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Phyltre I completely agree, I work at FutureShop and for the last 3 weeks I've been polling customers about which next-gen console their going to buy. roughly 80% of customers are getting the PS3 why? because it's the next evolution of a console they already love. Your average consumer is completely un-educated with the next-gen consoles, and they honestly could care less. When asked about the Wii, half the customers have no idea what it is, the moment I mention Nintendo they roll their eyes complaining how they outgrew Nintendo 10 years ago, and that the games are all for kids, blablabla. Even kids below 14 are shaking their stick at Nintendo saying they outgrew them. Most kids want games like GTA and other Mature games, the ones that make them feel hardcore. I know I'm making a lot of generalizations here, but I've been in the software and games department for a year and a bit now, and I have a very strong grasp of how your average consumer thinks.
The PS3 is a really really easy choice for an un-educated consumer. - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@Nixon
People see Microsoft/Walmart/McDonalds as an evil corporation and still buy their stuff. - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@ MoonsFang
"Because Blu-ray discs cost more for every blank disc, developers will generally go for the cheaper alternatives like Wii and Xbox360."
Did you work at Sega? That is the same BS they stated when the PS2 was about to launch... hmmm... Could that have been Peter Moore? - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10The 10 reasons it won't succeed are funnier. Even though it is old, I still love the Photoshopped PS3-George Foreman Grill. I wonder how long it will before somebody actually does that hack. Although turning a $600 console into a $30 grill is probably a dubious achievement at best.
- Supraman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Yea, the 'war' is all but won for 'you'.
Personally the ONLY game I care about on PS2 is the Tekken series. I own all systems and with the last generation, I have been most satisfied with my Xbox.
If you think GoW is the ONLY title that is interesting on the 360, me thinks you won't be very satisfied with a PS3. - spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I don't think it's that simple though, PS3 will be percieved as the most powerful, and people are going to want the most powerful one
I think the decision will be made before they step foot in the store
Can't really think of a way to describe what I mean, but picture it like this
There's two types of car, a normal one and a 'sports' version, even if the normal one is cheaper and more practical, people are going to want the sports one
Okay, it's a bad analogy I know, but you see what I'm getting at :)
By the way, it's nice to be able to have an intelligent discussion about this, such things are becoming rarer in digg comments
Edit: to the guy above me
Another important thing there is that when the person starts talking to the sales person the sales person is going to try sell them the PS3, why? Because it's more expensive - Tenroh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Sorry, I lost my drink when I read this:
"Nintendo has gone ***** insane in an attempt to become the ipod of gaming." - uoods, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Almost every comparison in that article is a fair comparison. However, he left out one parallel that I noticed, among myself and all of my friends:
PS2: Bought one year after release after its first price drop and many compelling titles already released.
PS3: Definitely won't buy at launch. My friends won't either. Will we after we see how amazing MGS4, FFXIII, and other titles are, and after the price drops? Definitely a possibility. - Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I honestly don't see the 360 OR the PS3 doing that well for another year. The hype isn't there for the general public. I was at walmart today. Read that. Walmart. And I'm in Alabama. AL-A-BAMA. And I swear, I saw some little kid point at the PS3 they had on display and go "Oooooh!," followed by his dad, wearing a "South's Gon' Rise Again!" style *****, said "Is that the new playstation? I think i'd rather get that new nintedo thang they were talkin' about on the tee vee."
Even backwoods rednecks from my area are looking forward to the wii.
Now... down the road? Sure, hey, PS3 might have a chance. Once Halo 3 drops? Yeah, sure, PS3 might have a chance. All I know is that the 360's supposed killer ap Gears of War hasn't quite generated the buzz that Nintendo's system has generated, and the PS3... well... even if they sell every single unit they put out this season, they're really not looking at pushing that many consoles, are they? - Clevinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@MoonsFang: How much do you imagine BD-R media will cost? Consider that we are talking about wholesale prices, not consumer costs. I presume a single BD-R disk will cost, at max, $3 wholesale. How much do the retailers mark it up? I am going to guess about 20%. Hence, an MSRP of $60 has been marked up 20% from $50. That would put the media cost, per unit sold, at 6% of gross. If we compared this to a DVD cost of perhaps $0.20 or 0.4% of gross, it becomes relevant, but is not a significant enough barrier to warrant exit from the PS3 market.
Second, if a producer initially decreases developmental resources for the PS3 market, other developers that are more willing to invest the man-hours necessary to code efficiently will outpace the procrastinator and effectively force them from the market.
Of course, all events hinge on whether Sony is able to saturate the market before the market, as you previously alluded to, dries up. - psbpv3o, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I'll buy a ps3 in a year or so. I really think that the ps3 will be where its at in a couple of years, and I don't want to miss out. This console cycle is estimated to be 8 years long and the ps3 is definitely setting it self up for the long-haul.
- ashika, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7What's different this time is that Sony has put a SUPERCOMPUTER in a game console.
That emoshi....Cell Broadband Engine is so powerful, we'll need to make sure terrorists don't get a hold of one.
No seriously. If they get yellow dog linux and a decent free OpenMP compiler, the PS3 could be fun to play with. Fun in a TI-99 kind of dork way. - Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Also, historically, the weakest(or weaker of two main contenders) console has won the various wars. SNES was weaker than the Genesis and came out on top; PS1 was weaker than the N64 and won(Not to mention being the first to really use a genuine disc system); PS2 weakest of the 3(PS2, Cube, XBX); DS FAR FAR weaker than the PSP(Try developing for them); Original Gameboy winning out over GameGear/other contenders. History shows that the PS3 will come in 3rd, BUT, I can definitely see the PS3 being the late bloomer of the three consoles when HD TV's and HD technology comes down in price.
- ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Four20:
Dude name me some good (not great) PS2 launch titles. I don't think any of them are even worth the $19.99 price. Upon my purchase of the PS2 I walked away with a movie and SSX (Which I still have in working condition) - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I have convinced my son to hold off the PS3 until there is enough stock and games he actually likes. He threw in the condition that we try to get him the Wii.
The only XBox game that we really want to play is Halo 3. Actually I've lost my boner for FPS. In fact, I prefer reading the Halo books. Damn I am getting old. - Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I remember people saying the same stuff about PS3 during PS2's release. I still have my doubts with PS3 but as someone said earlier, it's about the games that are released. This year is going to be a tad different. All 3 systems are really different in their own respect. Motion sensors can be this generation's analog stick / shoulder buttons. Which could sink 360 for any hopes of getting a good portion of the cross platform games. Wii could get the same penalty for their lack of hardware power, however nintendo has always thrived on its exclusive titles.
With that aside, I've been a PS2 fan last gen, but this time I kind of hope Nintendo climbs back up with Wii. - Lososaurus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@Phyltre: I played Warhawk at E3, it was actually a lot of fun to play, nothing else I played employed the tilting.
A little tip to everyone: Stay away from the Gundam game, nice looking, but slow and super clunky. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7But kids make the decisions about purchases. You're not getting it. A kid will say, "I want a Playstation 3." Parents will remember the Playstation 1 and 2. Parents aren't stupid enough to confuse the cheaper Xbox 360 with the Playstation 3.
More importantly, that parent will walk into the store and say, "What's the difference?" The salesman will say, "The Xbox 360 starts off cheaper." "Starts off" the parent will ask? "Sure," the salesman will say, "but if you want this it will cost you ... yadda yadda yadda."
I remember this because my mom used to ask me these questions before she went Christmas shopping. She didn't randomly buy the cheapest or the first system, she did her research. One thing parents learn over the years is not to buy a system their kids don't have confidence in because those systems will need games and if they don't have games they've wasted their money. - MartinBob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ Mythos
PS2 had a price advantage and an earlier release, which mimics X360, but the DVD format really helped it's success too. X360 doesn't have a revolutionary format to piggyback on. I won't say this point stands with PS3/blu-ray though(the HD war aside). DVDs were such a huge jump from VHS, usability and quality-wise.
HD-DVD and Bluray obviously haven't created as much of a buzz as their predecessor, and the reasoning is pretty simple. For one, the mass majority of people could easily tell that DVDs were on a ***** disc and probably wouldn't fit in their VHS player. Sadly, HD quality discs look just like DVDs. We also got rad new options with DVDs like chapter skipping and menus for navigation, and no more rewinding when we're done. HD quality discs may simplify this process(I wouldn't know), but there's no massive overhaul on usability.
I'm not saying that Bluray will hurt the PS3(or HD-DVD for X360), but in PS2's days it seemed like a damn good bargain to get not only a gaming system, but a movie player with all of those revolutionary features ALONG with the fact of it's lower price. Ofcourse Xbox could also play DVDs, but because of your two reasons, and the fact that you had to buy a kit to play them, it couldn't piggyback on the success of DVDs as well as PS2 did.
With that said, this generation really just comes down to the games. - commyostrich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5wow I feel really dumb. for some reason I always thought they were advertising PS9. No, seriously I did. I thought it was some really odd advertising technique that I just didn't understand... I was 11 at the time gimme a break here.
- Kardde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I played Ridge Racer on the PS3 at my local Best Buy yesterday, and I have to say that I was really impressed with the graphics. They were a lot better than I was expecting, and the attention to detail was great.
However, while playing, I realized that it wasn't new... it was just prettier. I also reminded myself that the demo stations use HDTV's. I don't own an HDTV, and don't have any plans on buying one in the near future (they're stupid expensive), so even if I did buy a PS3, it will not look nearly as good on my home television.
So, while playing the same old Ridge Racer (but prettier!), I did a few calculations in my head, and figured that it would end up costing me about $1,500 to get demo station-quality graphics in my home, and that's with a small bargain HDTV. No thanks.
But the station did get a large crowd around it, but I'm willing to bet that most of them didn't own an HDTV. - bluemansteele, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Assuming you mean "looks" and not "loops", that curve has been their trademark for PS2 and they made it look the same on the PSP.
- andreo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@Jeyrad:
Both of the Playstations were very late to the game. Both also had lots of competition. However the companies that they were up against were asleep at the wheel and was trounced.
Lets see if I can do this from memory...
With the PS1 they had the Atari Jaguar, 3DO, Sega Saturn and SNES.
While Nintendo survived just fine the others had serious problems were people just wasn't buying the systems.
Atari: no 3rd party support, rehashes of the same old crapola they've been pushing since the 2600.
3DO: hella expensive
Saturn: no 3rd party support and people were not happy with what they did with CD add-on, combined with 32X add-on, and then dropping support after a hand full of games to release the Saturn. People felt burned.
The PS2 had Sega Dreamcast and N64.
People were still pissed at Sega even though the Dreamcast was a great system. It had a bit stronger 3rd party support then the Saturn did but by now the playstation was the default name for video games.
Nintendo pretty much became the "kiddie system" in the minds of most people. And the fact that they were still using cartridges didn't help any.
The PS3 may see some decent competition this time around. If Microsoft can drop the price on the 360 and pry some of the exclusive publishers from Sony then they will have problems. And MS seems to be doing just that. GTA on the 360 first? Unheard of! Squaresoft developing for the 360? The world must be about to end!
And Nintendo has played its cards right also. They have the low priced, "But I just want to play games", "I don't need / want all that extra crap", console pretty much covered.
I think once the "But it's the Playstation!!!11!" attitude wears off, the same way it did with Sega and the Genesis, Nintendo and the NES / SNES, Atari and the 2600. Sony will be feeling some pain. - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have to agree. I am pushing for Big N to take over. Not because of their new input device but just because they are taking a risk and giving us an affordable but workable console.
Graphics isn't everything but gameplay is!
SimCity 2000 is infinitely better than SimCity 3. - Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I don't know, how has Microsoft changed gaming? The Xbox360 is a more powerful Xbox, better graphics and.... There are no innovations in the controller design and over the past year certainly no innovations in game play. Microsoft could have won me over with more AAA titles, but those have been few, my policy is to never buy a console without at least 5 must have titles, and with the original Xbox and Xbox360 combined, I have counted 4, the Wii already has 5 compelling titles I will enjoy on release..
Both Sony and MS are in for trouble if they feel that only improved graphics will make a better game platform. My money is on Nintendo for this round as they are simply banking off fun and innovative gameplay instead of impressive graphics. But ANY game console will be in trouble if they don't release AAA titles, and Nintendo has a habit of offering more AAA franchises then the other two systems combined. - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Fanboys calling other people fanboys would appear to be the new trend for this console generation.
(Feel free to draw whatever irony/humor you like from the fact that I just implicitly called someone a fanboy who called someone a fanboy, and therefore fall under implication as a potential fanboy myself.) - mikoyski, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"Will PS3 be like PS2?"
Of course not! It will be better than PS2.... - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The weakest system doesn't always win. I explained the rubric in a different thread. Name recognition, versatility, game variety, power, price. You need a lot of different elements to make a successful system.
For instance, the SNES was not a "weaker" system than the Genesis. They were graphically comparable and, in fact, some games performed better on the Genesis and others on the SNES. It really came down to which one was willing to use gore and which one had the most buttons most of the time.
The gameboy outperformed the Game Gear/Nomad because it was a far more portable system with longer battery life, a lower price, and backwards compatibility. Also, the Nomad had an annoying habit of scaling down text to unreadable levels, making it useless for RPGs and Adventure games.
All gameboy systems have been backwards compatible since the first system. The Nintendo DS was backwards compatible as well.
The cheapest system hasn't always won, the system with the worst graphics hasn't always won (see the PS2, which had better graphics than the Dreamcast). If you want to be specific, backwards compatible systems win more often than systems with crappy graphics.
If you want to be more technical, the system with the most Final Fantasy games will be the most successful. (Go ahead, do the math.)
Or you can say the system with the most buttons not in the shape of a telephone keypad on the controller will be the most successful (which takes out the Jaguar and N-Gage). -
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