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- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+68Actually, it's totally different. From the article:
"It shows as 1080i (even though I have my HDTV setup as 720p in the Media Bar), but it’s very grainy and looks like standard DVD."
As stated, the title above is inaccurate, since the PS3 can display in 1080p (an HD format). It also seems it does work in 1080i for BD, but not 720p. That's bad, but a far cry from "Can't Display HD."
Inaccurate.
-Pie - truspector, on 10/12/2007, -15/+49Sony doesn't need to say it is a common problem. ANYONE with a 1080i tv that doesn't support 720p (almost all crt and projection models) and doesn't have a built in hardware upscaler (most newer models have this) is screwed. This was a HUGE oversight on Sony's part. I'll be interested to see if they can really fix this via an update. Possibly for movies, but if they try the software route they are going to have to take cpu cycles away from games to do the conversion. I seriously doubt that would work (unless you want your PS3 to drop from the current 20 fps down to about 10). Anyway, go ahead and defend Sony on this. Let me guess, these people should just buy better TVs?
- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31No, this guy is making a different complaint. He says that, for Blu-Ray movies (not games), it's either 1080p or 480p. So even if your TV takes 720p and/or 1080i, you're out of luck.
Most HDTVs that aren't 1080p don't accept a 1080p signal, so this is a potentially larger problem than the previous CRT HDTV one. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29Early hardware adopters screwed, news at 11.
- shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17you would want 1080i if your TV supports 1080i and not 1080p. Lots of TVs don't support 1080p but do support 1080i.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Only a small amount of HDTV's are actually 1080p. Most of them are 720p or 1080i, that's why.
- aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Blu-ray is 1920x1080 resolution in progressive native, for that reason it is in 1080p, and for TVs that don't support it displays at 1080i, for it to display 720p it will need to downscale it to 1280x720 which the PS3 doesn't do.
In reality, the 1080i picture should be a better representation of the original 1080p Blu-ray source, but 720p does look better on most HDTVs, however in this case there may not be a noticeable difference. And no it shouldn't look like "standard DVD" in either case. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+151080p1080i720pi10208020p1080i
ARRGHGGHG....my brain just exploded!!! - shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I've got such a TV because I purchased mine years ago at an amazing discount price from Best Buy. Not my fault, in-TV upscaling wasn't popular or even noted back then.
- EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+151080p > 1080i > 720p > 480p > 480i
I can't see a difference between 1080i and 720p. 1080p is a huge gain over 1080i. 480p is a huge gain over 480i (standard def.)
BTW built in scaler SUCK. Scaling is a hugely intensive task and most TVs don't have great scalers. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18For clarification... the content will display on 1080p, 720p, 480p, and 480i, correct? I only ask because if you have an HDTV that supports 1080p or 720p, you won't care if it can't do 1080i... right?
- kdubbz6688, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17dont worry sony will fix this issue. Sony loves firmware updates almost as much as tom cruise loves scientology
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@omatsei
correct - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Who wants to bet that 99% of the people who bought a PS3 only own an average of 1 Blu-Ray movie?
- truspector, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Probably because your 1080i tv has a hardware upscaler. Not everyone's TV does.
- tuxidomasx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10A Haiku:
Wiseman said to me:
"You aint got 1080p?
Dont buy PS3." - tuxidomasx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@SchnellFowVay
"The actual picture quality is *identical* between interlaced and progressive scan feeds - the only difference is how and in what order the pixels are assembled."
ummm... no.
it is FAR from identical. My TV is 1080 naitive. directly supports 1080i and 1080p (no upscale. no convert. straight signal).
u can see the difference between 480i and 480p, right. same deal here.
progressive > interlaced
and i can tell you from 1st hand experience that you can most certainly tell the difference.
prime example: i hooked it to my computer's ATI X1800XT (DVI output) to my TV and sent out an interlaced signal. i could CLEARLY see the artifacts. granted, i was sitting about 2 feet away... but still. the image is most definately NOT identical when displayed natively.
switched it back over to progressive and it was raw outstanding picture quality. - marklj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Shhhhh! You mustn't speak so loudly! This is how they spread their anti-Sony propaganda, and will bury anyone six feet under who dares to challenge them.
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7firmware updates will be the norm. they also had to update the PS1/PS2 compatibility problems
- dveight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow, it's great that you are one of the minority that can tell the difference between 1080p over 1080i.
Face it people, 1080p is over-rated and over-hyped by Sony and all of the other TV manufacturers trying to squeeze out alittle more of our cash. Very few people can tell the difference between 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, and even then you must be watching very closely and actively looking for the difference.
Take a look at at the followings:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/
Now the fact that the PS3 apparently doesn't support 1080i really sucks for the people who do have 1080i but not 720p capability. 480p or 480i a huge drop in resolution over 1080i or even 720p. This is the first that I have heard about the PS3 not displaying 720p, but keep in mind that Sony had originally wanted to not display anything over 480p without HDCP, so this may be a glimpse of whats to come. - yetdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Point being, if your HDTV doesn't support 1080p or 720p (and there are lots of them that don't), instead of downscaling to 1080i, it goes all the way down to 480p.
I lucked out, buying an HDTV with not all that much knowledge, but still got a Samsung SlimFit 30" Widescreen that does 720p and 1080i. (I think 1080p is still a ways off mainstream-wise) - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7"No, this guy is making a different complaint. He says that, for Blu-Ray movies (not games), it's either 1080p or 480p."
That's wrong though. I just watched Talledega Nights in 1080i yesterday. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6My old Panasonic CRT could only display 1080i and didn't upscale 720p. I got it in 2000, and I just replaced it 6 months ago... but if I hadn't, I'd be pissed.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Well how long has PS3 been out? 3 days? Give them some time, gees.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's not a big deal because this problem doesn't exist. It's made up like most anti PS3 stories on digg
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6agreed Click Since it came free a rather sad movie
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Didn't you get Bring it On? I gotta see that in hi def, makes the price worth it.
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Untrue.
This guy doesn't understand that BluRay movies are 1080p/1080i. The PS3 shows them in that format, even if you have 720p selected.
As to it looking crappy, I guess his TV just doesn't take 1080i well.
There is a small misunderstanding here on this person's part. The rest is just inaccurate conclusions. Marked as inaccurate. - marklj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Like a broken record.
Get over it kid. Move on with your sad, rootkit obsessed life. - MomentDEFINED, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5If you wanted a PS3, you put down big money. If you wanted an HDTV, you put down big money. This whole move to HD is about the ridiculous amounts that people will decide to pay to get it to look as best a possible.
In short, go buy a better TV. If you've got a PS3 and an HDTV already to worry about this problem, suck it up. You've probably got the money. - aresef, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5We need an "Irony" section on digg.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5http://www.gamespot.com/features/6161997/index.html
We were able to play games and play Blu-ray movies at 1080p and 1080i over HDMI. Component cables allowed us to play games at 1080p, but dropped the resolution down to 1080i while playing Blu-ray movies. - matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Fine print: Xbox 360 sold seperately
- aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3>>Point being, if your HDTV doesn't support 1080p or 720p (and there are lots of them that don't), instead of downscaling to 1080i, it goes all the way down to 480p.
No it doesn't. For Blu-ray it displays at full 1080i not 480p.
You are confusing this with the issue with 720p games displaying in 480p if the TV doesn't support 720p. Blu-ray's display at 1080i if it doesn't support 1080p, and ALL HDTVs and "HD monitors" support 1080i (while some don't support 720p). - Jiffylush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I lucked out, buying an HDTV with not all that much knowledge, but still got a Samsung SlimFit 30" Widescreen that does 720p and 1080i. (I think 1080p is still a ways off mainstream-wise)"
Well, doesn't really seem like 1080p is that far off from being mainstream now does it? (considering that it is the native resolution of the PS3) - digiteyes, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7maybe if you learn to spell they may treat you better. Before jumping the gun to post comments that have no basis to the current article make sure you spell check. Firefox 2.0 has built in spell checking just so you know.
- aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4>>Probably because your 1080i tv has a hardware upscaler. Not everyone's TV does.
You don't "upscale" a 1080p image to 1080i, and you will need to downscale a 1080p image to 720p. All HD sets do 1080i (some don't do 720p), but 1080i should be the better choice in this case. In reality there should be little difference between the 1080p Blu-ray disk and 1080i on most HDTV.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/11/13/still-no-discernable-difference-between-1080i-and-1080p/ - somunny, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9I guess being a DJ doesn't allow much time for your grammar studies.
- nipterink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but buying the newest technology yields a larger e-penis. what don't you guys understand?
- nipterink, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Between the lines: HD-DVD player works on a PC.
- seandaly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OK, first of all, to the ***** claiming that those who own 720p native sets need to upgrade, eat *****!
A major percentage of the active high-def household sets in the US are 720p.
1080i is bogus for gaming and movies... It's great for watching HDNET, when you have a fairly static images panning slowly, but it looks like ***** when things get moving around compared to 720P. If you're gaming or watching action movies, 720p looks much better than 1080i.
1080P is obviously the best format available, but don't try to tell the tens of millions of Americans who've purchased native 720p sets over the last 2 years that they need to upgrade. The PS3 should be able to down-convert to 720P and have little loss of performance.
I'm sure they'll fix this, my only major concern is the issue with lag / sound sync. If the console can down-convert to 720P and sync before sending across the HDMI channel, then lag will not be an issue. If I have to accept a 1080i signal out of the PS3 and convert it to 720p on my set, I'll end up with a controller / sound lag that makes games pretty much unplayable.
Digg has officially been overloaded by console fan-boy douchebags! - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Does your TV have a hardware upscaler? That's probably why."
No. It has native 1080i. That's why. - fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've got a 1080p LCD (that's 1920x1080) and I can definitely see the difference between 1080i/p and 720p... even my dad did, from 20+ ft away (37" lcd)
- ajc30, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Before everyone rips on 1080i too much, remember interlacing offers full vertical resolution during low motion scenes and trades half the vertical resolution for twice the frame rate in high motion. It also allows for a smoother transition from film through the 3:2 pulldown using the field scheme AABBBCCCDD filling 10 fields from 4 frames.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Does your TV have a hardware upscaler? That's probably why.
- Ruffy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8I dont blame sony, I blame not having a set defined outline of specs on tv's. theres too much format ***** going around.
if you buy a ps3 you're going to want a ***** 1080p tv. it's simple as that. - truspector, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@phantom
If you could rearrange your post into coherent sentences that convey some type of meaning I would be happy to shred your fanboyish nonsense into Oblivion. Are you trying to say people need to buy 1080p TVs? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -18/+19Oh *****, I guess I'm fuc- oh wait, I didn't buy this piece of *****.
I'll wait for future gens of the hardware that corrects all these issues. - EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Gee, I wonder why the Wii doesn't have a problem like this!?"
Um. Because it ONLY outputs 480i/p?
I cannot believe this article got dugg up over 1000 when the title is so blatantly inaccurate.
Sheesh.
-Pie - yetdog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Ew. The SlimFit Samsung has THE worst geometry of any TV on the market."
Factory-shipped, yes. But do some tweaking in the service menu (there are guides on avsforum), and you can pretty much fix it. -
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