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- ZogDog, on 10/11/2007, -5/+45Dude, just let me have Bean and I'll have one hell of a pimp RTS team for a battle room.
- simondotcalvin, on 10/11/2007, -5/+36A bunch of child actors trying to play super-geniuses of the future? Honestly, I love the Ender books, but I'm passing on the film.
- venir, on 10/11/2007, -5/+33I think the whole Ender series is amazing. With that said I'm not sure I can really get into the idea of a movie. I just think so much would have to be left out or changed that it would lose most of what I enjoy about it already.
- Slopchop, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24This is certainly a book that should be put on the big screen. Two words "battle room." The ideas and character interaction in these books would make for A class films/ video games.
- avonwodahs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+18I am afraid I'll see it regardless, it was just too good of a series, and I have to many fond memories of it to not.
- rusty0101, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11There are some authors notes at the end of the Ender's Shadow audio book regarding the movie. And I think you might just like some of the results. One of Orson Scott Card's observations about Ender's Game on it's own being a movie is that most of what is great about the book is Ender learning by observing and thinking about what he has seen. Unfortunately this really doesn't make for much of an exciting movie.
He has also had to refuse contracts where the people producing them put clauses in them that make it possible for them to take what they think is the idea of the book and really throw away everything else. His observation was that many people in the movie industry think that Ender should be played as a 16 year old, and you know, he should probably have a love interest. After Ender's Shadow came out, (which on the face of things has many of the same problems being translated into a movie) a friend of his suggested that the movie should be a 'buddy' movie. Yes this leaves some problems in that from both books, Bean and Ender don't have all that much interaction that makes them buddies, but it's something that the movie industry has a lot more comfort in working with actors and actresses that are the appropriate age for the story. Will it be different from either book? I don't think there is any doubt at all that it will be. I think it will work out a lot better than a straight translation of either story to a movie however. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10That's nothing. Just before his death, Orson Welles revealed a video game based entirely on jug wine and bologna.
- LogicBomB, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12The Ender's Game series is absolutely an astonishing read. In fact I'd say it's one of my favorites.
The first book is basically Ender being thrown into war games to prepare against a second potential alien (bugger) threat. He's the best but doesn't want to be. They keep throwing problem after problem at him, start stacking things against him and making it very unfair but regardless of the adversity he just prevails. It's simply what he does. Lots of character building and inner conflict.
The series then breaks off into 2 VERY different directions. There is the "Shadow" series and the "Ender" series. After the first book Ender goes off into space and does his own thing - very sci fi and fantastic. Lots of alien involvement and dealings with other worlds. The "Shadow" series follows Bean (also involved with the war games from the first book) and it stays on earth and becomes an all-out political drama. Good vs Evil, politics and war, the works.
I would highly recommend picking up these books. Very easy reads and they are just awesome when you finish the series. The first book is very light reading compared to the other 2 which deal with harder issues. - SneezyRobot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11Wow, I really loved these books, I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this.
- nreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10read Ender's Shadow, then Shadow of the Hegemon, then Shadow Puppets if you want. Then go and finish Ender's saga(the part I enjoyed more). There's also a book of like 4 novellas (sp?).
- demonmonkey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9For those who are fans, be worried.
Two words:
Advent Rising. - enderiii, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I think if Ender's Game is to be a movie is should be the next evolution of pure CG picking up where Final Fantasy left off. It should be both Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow but downplay Bean's role a little because Ender's Shadow took away from what made Ender's Game so special. The voice actors should be boyish sounding women like Bart Simpson. It should take from sci-fi and anime. I feel this is the only way it can be true to the books and be a true innovation.
Bad games are easy to ignore, but a bad movie can really damage a book. - jccalhoun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I keep hearing how great the Ender's series is, but I haven't read it. The only two things I've read from Card are his articles "The Hypocrites of Homosexuality" http://www.nauvoo.com/library/card-hypocrites.html and "Homosexual "Marriage" and Civilization" http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html
Those are the last two things by Card I plan on reading. His fiction may be the greatest thing since Shakespeare but he isn't getting any of my money. He can believe whatever he wants but I'm not going to support him. I've got enough stuff to read without reading stuff written by people who have beliefs I know I disagree with. - blizzok, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6When he began to describe the games, I got excited.
When he said "Formic war" I actually cried. It's been 2 and a half years since I cried. I didn't cry for Starcraft 2, and I'm having trouble writing this comment. - everfalling, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4personally, i dont think this series should ever be made into a movie. it should go through route of catcher in the rye, and stay in book form forever.
- Splitt3rxx, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7awesome, i loved that book.
- h4mx0r, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Advent Rising was a highly underrated game (although it wasn't that good) but I felt it deserved more, in fact, the entire trilogy shoulda been completed. Oh well, I guess Ender's Game is a good rebirth.
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5At first I had no idea why the hell you were talking about Advent Rising but I looked and it seems like he wrote the dialogue/screenplay.
I must go play it now. - jccalhoun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It really isn't a boycott so much as a reason to read something else. There are so many books out there that it is impossible to read them all. So more than anything the fact that I strongly disagree with his personal beliefs is a way for me to narrow down the number of books on my list of books to read. There are lots of things to read by people who don't feel the need to vocally state positions I disagree with. I'll spend my finite amount of time reading them instead. If I ever get to the point where the library doesn't have any other books I want to read or re-read I may read something by Card. Until that day, I think I can live without reading his fiction.
- somnus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I agree with nreynolds. I read Ender's Shadow first and really enjoyed that order, having gotten the "outside looking in" perspective, then the warped insider perspective. I read the Ender's Shadow series before moving on to the Ender series.
@kylesellers: Don't be a dick, that was a completely legitimate question. - Usernamesarefun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I know I've been watching too much Futurama when I thought it said "Bender's Game"...
- deweyhewson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Eh, I actually thought Advent Rising was a great game.
At the least it had a great story (Card's doing), it was just the engine and the framerates that held the game back. - mrgreen4242, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5I read Enders Game and most of the series many years ago, but stopped listening to Card when I discovered he was a religious bigot nutjob. I like to pretend that Enders Game, the best of the series by leaps and bounds, was so goo because he wrote it when he was very young and not a wacko yet.
- Ender008, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5This is the best news that I've heard in a while. Just look at my name if you don't believe me...
- jccalhoun, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I don't think that Card is a "nut job" (and I don't really see where I've implied that.). I think that he holds positions that I disagree with. I want people to know his positions on things so that they can make an informed decision on whether or not they will support him. I will not. You obviously do. That's fine. If that's trolling then I guess I'm guilty.
- duddles, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I really see a whole series of games coming out of the book of mormon - not just one game but a bunch that will have the mormon brand. There's the game where you have to help Joseph Smith translate his gold plates with his hat. There's the game where you are Jesus and you have to find the garden of eden in modern day missouri - don't take a wrong turn to east st louis!
But on a more serious note, Ender's Game is one of the best science fiction books I've read. Card was way ahead of his time with predicting how important the internet was going to be. Valentine and Peter were the first bloggers! - Ahnteis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2>>His fiction may be the greatest thing since Shakespeare but he isn't getting any of my money.
Your local library already has a copy you can borrow for free. - aelias, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Mix two parts Descent with one part Paintball, throw in RPG skill increases, some decent cutscenes, and you could make a whole multiplayer game just out of the battle room.
For the bigger campaigns, switch to C&C style gameplay.
Offline could include the rest of the plot, Halo style.
So many good options. I hope they don't screw it up. - lordtyros, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2get the PC version. It's only about $20, and it lacks the glitches that ruined the console versions. It's honestly a very fun game with a fantastic storyline.
- emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ender's Game is always the book that gets the most attention but I found Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind to be vastly superior. Although, I've always thought that the whole Battle Room concept would make an awesome video game.
- Rethcir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This movie has been "upcoming" for about 15 years...
- grumbel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Advent Rising was awesome. The only real problem was that the game got rushed out of the door with plenty of obvious bugs, a month or two bug fixing and the results would have been quite a bit better. I still enjoyed it a lot, even with a few bugs and framerate drops.
- ChestyLaRue, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2because bean's story line in ender's shadow take away from all of the things ender accomplished himself in the original story. bean helping him behind the scenes stole ender's glory
- thing-fish, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1This is a very excellent interview!
- badulescub, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ender's Game is lie Dune - you cannot put that on screen without losing too much of its essence.
- pnyphnz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What's next? Homecoming series? Hart's Hope?
- insomniacal, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Let's not forget that Orson Scott Card criticizes Darwinism: http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2006-01-08-1.html
He should be shunned, span on, drawn and quartered. Eternal vigilance. Never forget. Down with Card! Down with those he loves! Down with those who love him!
If you see the Ender movie, or play the video game -- nay, if you do any less than picket the movie lines and burn the game CDs -- you will betray all science everywhere. Nothing less is at stake than rational thought itself. - mistahroth, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ender's game RTS would be incredible...
- albrad84, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1replied to the wrong post...
- Phidaux, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2a Mein Kampf video game? rawk on! - google "ender's game hitler"
//sarcasm
But really... Ender's Game is a great read. - Neiby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2CG animation is the only way Ender's Game could ever be made without ruining it. Even then, I remain skeptical that it could be done well.
- rusty0101, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There are a lot of authors who's personal beliefs and philosophies are at odds with my own. On occasion those beliefs and philosophies enter the material, but for the most part I can treat those incidents as character development. I happen to believe that a good story is a good story, regardless of the intentions of the author. Ender's Game is a good story in my book. So is Ender's Shadow. I'll reserve judgment on the other books till I have read them.
I agree that there is a lot of material available to read that does not come from Card, or in my own case, author's who's opinions I don't happen to agree with. Some of that is probably good stories that I've missed. But even if you just start with the 'great books' series, you'll probably find authors who you don't happen to agree with, or stories that you don't happen to think are all that great.
As an observation, the fact that you've posted here, means that you think you have an opinion on the subject, which so far as I can tell is that you think OSC is a nut job. You are not commenting on the stories as you have not read them, and even if people who have read them decide that the content makes the video game into what they believe is the greatest video game ever, about all you can say is that you won't play it because you think OSC is a nut job. OK, but it sounds like you are tolling for attention. I have a hard time believing you can't find a topic of interest on Digg that you can contribute to, either as a fanboy, or as a positively creative force. I realize that the former may be at odds with your emotional outlook on life, and that the latter may also, as it requires a creative ability, rather than just the ability to knock over someone's stack of blocks, which any 2 year old is more than capable of. - suavivity, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4@thumper
I totally disagree. All of the books are good. One set gives you Ender and Val's future, the other set gives you Bean and the kids' future. If either/both of those things interest you, then check those out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game_series#Sequels explains it pretty well also. - SueDoeNym, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0The original "Ender's Game" novelette was published in the August 1977 issue of Analog magazine.
- Morphinity, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Not to mention that absolutely unusable controls.
- fitzydog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0what's so wrong with bush, you Liberal doosche bag! Orson scott card is awsome! Darwin lover!
- stillasleep00, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Oh my god... am I having a wet dream?
- MadOgre, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2OMG that game sucked.
- livetodance15, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I applaud you for trying something new and for going to find out for yourself if we really are "nut jobs" as some would characterize us. Every religion has its fanatics, but generally if they are living their beliefs are good people. Thank you for pointing out that he was very rational and not characterizing us as a cult.
- livetodance15, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0So, if you were to disagree with a Catholic, Jewish, Protestant, Baptist, Muslim, Athiest, etc author's views would you avoid their books as well?
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