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Orange Box Goes Gold !!

biz.gamedaily.com — A representative from Valve Software confirmed on Wednesday night that its upcoming releases of The Orange Box for PC and Xbox 360 have gone gold and are on their way for an October 10 release date.

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  • frostyfrog, on 10/10/2007, -13/+42Orange Box is definitely a tough one to beat in terms of raw value, definitely something that will one occupied for months and months. And the achievement whore in me is loving the 99 achievements on the Xbox 360 version .
    • terminalpariah, on 10/10/2007, -26/+10Unless you already own HL2 and Episode 1. Being forced to repurchase them to get the rest is a kick in the pants.
      • DeadPain, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17You are getting HL2 and Episode 1 for free, you pay for Episode 2, Portal and TF2
        • echeese, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Besides, if you preorder, I believe you can give away games you already own as a gift to another person.
        • Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3Gee, can I spend money and then give the games that I was forced to rebuy away? Gee, *thanks* Valve!
          Christ you fanboys need to pry your mouths off of Valve's *****. "Paying more for the privilege of rebuying two games I already have is actually a great deal!".That doesn't even make any sense.

          And the "retailers didn't want Black Box" doesn't hold water because Valve controls Steam. They can release whatever they want there. No, someone said "why sell the black box for $45 when we can force them to rebuy HL2 and Ep1 for an extra $15? Most of these idiots will lap it up and call it chocolate!". And you have.
          • algo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2i paid £25 for five games. (not including peggle extreme) that's good value to me.
        • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That's great, except that I don't really care about TF2 and Portal. I'll probably get dugg down just for that, but those games are just not my thing. I wish I could just pay $20 and get my Ep. 2, like I did with Ep. 1.
      • macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You're actually getting a good deal - it's actually cheaper to buy the orange box than it would be to buy Episode 2, TF2, and Portal separately.
        • fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Except the original plan was to sell Ep2 at a lower cost with TF2 and Portal included.
        • Zyphron, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The original plan was to sell Episode 2. Then it was announced that EP2 would ship with TF2 (which is awesome, I am loving the beta) and Portal (which is supposed to be really cool)

          Because they were releasing MUCH more content than would ever normally be in a simple "episodic" release, the cost increased. Plus I never bought Ep1, so I am loving playing through that and the TF2 beta.
        • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1But, but, I don't want TF2 and Portal! Is that so strange?
      • mistafreeze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1TF2 is easily worth 30 dollars, maybe more. HL2 Ep2 is worth at least 20 dollars, maybe more. You get both for 45 dollars now (pre-order) and you also get Portal and peggle extreme (never played this yet). And you can give away HL2 to somebody for a Christmas gift.

        Hell I pre-ordered it on PC and pre-ordered it for the 360. Even though I have played the hell out of Half Life 2, I plan on playing it once more on the 360, I may even skip playing ep2 on my PC this time, just depends on how the 360 version is.
    • BugMeNot2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+24The PC version has achievements, too.
      • frostyfrog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not Xbox Live achievements. I'm a sucker for those little icons.
        • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There are little icons on the PC version, too...
  • logicalnoise, on 10/10/2007, -2/+32so when can I preload portal and episode 2?
  • SlamShut, on 10/10/2007, -7/+35It's boner time.
  • swrlyhrly, on 10/10/2007, -5/+17So are we gonna start getting other color's of boxes now? Cause that would be ***** awesome.
    • juicebag, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13They were planning on making a Black Box that only had HL2:EP2, Portal, and TF2, but they cancelled it.
      • ChrisOdaWas, on 10/10/2007, -11/+4They didn't cancel the Black Box, I just bought it for a mere 4 Euros two days ago. You have to buy an ATI 2400, 2600 or 2900 graphics card to get it, though ^^ It isn't sold seperatly, that is what was canceled. I bought the ATI HD 2600 XT in the full retail version that includes Valve's Black for just 4 € more than the lite retail version, which doesn't come with the games.
      • VocalFX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4That's a shame, I already have HL2 and Ep1. Either way it's an incredible deal HL2:EP2+TF2+Portal separately is still 30 more.
        • fantasticFlan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4No, see, Valve chooses how much to charge for each of them. If they charged $30 for Ep2, TF2, and Portal together, that's how much they would cost.
          • BugMeNot2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You'd still be getting a great deal if Episode Two, Team Fortress 2, and Portal were priced at $20 each.
      • Modiga, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6VALVe were forced to cancel it, at least on the retail front, because retailers didn't want to stock more than one package for a game. As for Steam, well to be honest they're selling Orange at a price I would be more than happy to pay, even if HL2 and Episode 1 weren't included. Being able to offer them as gifts is a kind bonus.
        • alexforcefive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'd still rather have the discount =/
    • Ludnix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17Plans for Purple Box are still unknown, though it's rumored to have 7 different versions of Peggle.
  • Gadren, on 10/10/2007, -2/+39I got the Orange Box over Steam, and I love it. I had never gotten around to playing HL2, so this was a great value for me. Currently I'm running scared i n Ravenholm, having great fun in TF2, and eagerly anticipating Portal.
    • mal5305, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17just dont play ravenholm alone, at night, with headphones on....

      i dont think i've ever jumped so high in my life.
      • daggah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I had a friend who had me play that part of the game for him because he was creeped out by the zombies. ;)
    • swanny89, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4It doesn't take too long to get through ravenholm, then you get to the best parts of the game, ie assault on nova prospekt.
    • counterplex, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2The worst part of Ravenholm is towards the end where you have those zombies with multiple fast crawlers on them who occasionally pick up a crawler off their back and throw it at you. Took me weeks to finish that :) Oh and I made the mistake of always playing at night, alone and with headphones on :-/
    • vagarach, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That sound those things make, and the speed at which they come at you (especially when in packs), that's the scary part.

      Oh and those poisonous spiders. Ravenholm shouldn't be scary, but it still manages to make you jump once in a while :D.
  • PATSCRU, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21Not to gloat or anything, but i've been playing TF2 since last week, and it's amazing. If you preorder from the Valve website you can install TF2, HL2, HL2 EP 1 and Lost coast and you can preload Episode two and portal. Veeeery nice.
    • ArmchairAthlete, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24You forgot Peggle Extreme. How could you forget Peggle Extreme?
      • macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12That actually turned out to be surprisingly enjoyable.
        • avisotin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Peggle deluxe, the full game, is only 18mb. Torrent it immediately!
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Actually, you can't preload Episode 2 or Portal yet...
  • fatadamblog, on 10/11/2007, -17/+97"Orange Box is definitely a tough one to beat in terms of raw value, definitely something that will one occupied for months and months. And the achievement whore in me is loving the 99 achievements on the Xbox 360 version ."

    *slaps head*
    You just don't get it.
    The only way to play this game is on the PC where it BELONGS
    • battletrax, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2Yeah cause i would totally not like valve to make more money, and thus make better games.

      • EmperorAwesome, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That's like saying there's a way to make more hydrating water.
    • mufasa, on 10/14/2007, -2/+5Yeah, but i don't have a pc strong enough to run episode 2, so it's the xbox version for me.
    • Aharoni, on 10/20/2007, -6/+5I don't know... getting it for the PC means getting involved with Steam...
      Bought Company of Heroes from there... downloading it for the last 3 days and counting... slllloooowwww.... worst purchase ever made. I'm staying the hell away from that platform.

      Rant over, sorry for the comment hijacking. Digg me down, fanboys.
      • NichowA, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It's always been plenty fast for me... your internet must just suck.
      • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Agreed. Steam used to be terrible, especially in version 2. But now they've mostly fixed all the broken ***** (a working server browser :o) and Steam Friends/community now works. It's a lot like XBox live, except with better voice quality, and more convenience in the lack of discs.

        As for download speeds, depends on when you download. Doing any content downloading for the last week or so would've been a massive pain since people are preloading/downloading TF2, so it'll hose their connection. That said, last night I downloaded the Quake Wars demo in about 15 minutes for 700MB. So yeah, stop using dial-up ;)
    • bulgingbritches, on 10/20/2007, -4/+8PC gamers need to get over the keyboard/mouse BS. We get it, it's more precise.
      But the entire gaming experience is so much better sitting on a couch, viewing on a 50 inch plasma, and listening over 6.1 surround.
      • HseLoMein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I sit on my couch with a keyboard and mouse, and do the same things, and it is quite nice.
      • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Seriously, that's not much of an argument. You can have the exact same experience with a PC.
    • DogEars, on 10/20/2007, -3/+6*slaps head*
      No, YOU don't get it you silly PC gaming elitist. The bottom line with gaming is having fun, and just because someone doesn't play on your preferred platform doesn't take anything away from their enjoyment of the game.

      Now shut the hell up with this crap, people are sick of hearing it.
      • daggah, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I have a gaming PC (24" widescreen monitor included), an XBOX 360, and a PS2. I support this comment. I prefer FPS games on a computer with keyboard and mouse though.
    • mistafreeze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I bought the pre-order for PC and the 360 version. I have played hl2 on the pc soo many times, it is not funny. Started out with my 19inch view sonic running a 9800 raedon, to now running a 8800 ultra on my 47inch 1080p HDTV. The game still "kicks". I cannot wait to play this again on the 360, Valve is smart, they would not make a shoddy port to the 360. From the reviews I read, the scheme is similar to halo, which is one of the most intuitive console schemes I have ever used.

      And steam is great, sure it sucks if you do things on day one. I remember not being able to play HL2, which was when Steam first launched because of the servers being hammered. It sucked hard. But in the end, Steam is my favorite platform. I do not need to insert a disc to play a game, nor install a game. I'm buying up titles I already own just so I do not need to use the disc.

      Just to note, I downloaded TF2 at around 800k the whole way through, sometimes as high as 980 to as low as 680. took under 15 minutes.
    • frostyfrog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2PC is great and all, but I just can't bring myself to give up Xbox Live and all the friends I play with on there. Besides, the game will look killer on my 360 and pretty crappy on my home laptop ( where the Half Life 2 demo I downloaded from Steam looks like ass. Plus, and I know this will sound weird to a lot of die-hard PC gamers, but I cut my teeth on console FPS shooters and I hate playing with a keyboard. Maybe when keyboards have analog sticks for movement I'll bite :). ( and yes I could use a gamepad on the PC ... but then why wouldn't I just play on the console to begin with ? )
    • asforme, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The best part is that TF2 is supposed to support cross platform play. I would love to see some PC vs XBox teams.
  • UtopiaInTheSky, on 10/10/2007, -38/+2Isn't the Source engine four years old by now? Nice one, Valve...
    • Nobiting, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20The Source Engine was programmed with longevity in mind, It's not even at a peak yet.
    • Ludnix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Source engine is constantly updating. See Source SDK Base.
      • oMeSSiaHo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1While I agree that Source rocks sometimes there are some critical bugs when Valve changes it. If I run TF2 In Directx9 it crashes after a few minutes and I'm far from alone. That bugs been around since Episode one which came out last year.

        Over all though it's probably the best and most felxabile since Quack.
    • ChrisOdaWas, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Four years old and Team Fortress 2 kicks the sh*t out of every other game out there (graphics wise). Well done Valve ^^
      • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Almost every game.
      • Andy460, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, TF2, HL2: EP2, and probably Portal as well run on a revised version of Source called Source 2007. Which is why TF2 needs a separate dedicated server app, and also why there's now 4 different Source 2007 ____.gcfs in the Steam/steamapps directory.
    • solidsnake1298, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Not to mention it is one of the most efficient engines out. It was originally designed to run on Radeon 9700 and 9800 graphics cards. It played very well on those cards and plays even better on modern cards. The graphics freakin' rock in all Source games, but they always run at 85+ fps. There are games out there that don't have as good graphics and they run much slower.

      The Source engine was way ahead of its time when it was first implemented and it is still ahead of the game now. And it is def very upgradeable so it will only improve in the future.
      • CeeJayDK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I still play with a Radeon 9700 and Episode 1 runs great with max settings @ 1024 x 768 and looks stunningly beautiful in HDR.
      • Ionis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Source being a CPU dependent engine is great for people with low end graphics cards, of course having a good graphics card helps but my 9600 which is about 3 years old almost can still get about 50fps in TF2 and look presentable too. Kudos to VALVe!
    • Perigren, on 10/10/2007, -4/+64 years old and still running and looking better than the Xbox360 ever will, ahhh I love my PC.
      • jeet404, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Not to say that PC games are bad or anything...I am a PC gamer myself. But doesn't this also come out on 360 as well?
      • mistafreeze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It does.
      • smergs, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That was a stupid comment. "...Looking better than the Xbox360 ever will..."
        It's coming out on the 360 as well as PC. Not to mention that the source engine worked on the original Xbox. Half-Life 2 was released for Xbox. That said, on the Xbox it lost a lot of the nice graphics features. On the 360 it should have all of the special effects, but if you have a high end PC, yes it will look better than the 360 version.

        Myself I'm still debating if I will get it for the PC or 360. Since getting married and buying a house, I no longer get to update my PC like I would like to. really I need to build a new pc! Play it on a p4 2.8 with a geforce 6800GS or do I get it for 360? What would you all do in my situation?
        • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The 360, for sure. Now, if you had a dual-core CPU with an 8800 series of cards, that would be a different matter.
  • Typhoon2009, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Anyone who wants, I'll have a 'gift' key of HL2 and EP1 for sale...
    Seriously, does Valve think I'll actually GIVE AWAY what could be PROFITABLE CAPITAL?
    • geartype2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2if you read the terms of service, attempting to sell it could get your steamid banned. Do you want to take the chance? Christmas and a pleothra of other american holidays are coming up, I'm sure you can find a reason to give it to someone.
    • FishHammer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm giving mine to my brother who's still playing TFC 1 because he doesnt have HL2 on his steam account. He'll ***** his pants when he can play Fortress Forever. (too cheap for TF2)
  • rickremixx, on 10/10/2007, -8/+52i am looking forward more to this than i was halo 3
    half life kicks halo's ass
    TFC forever !!!!
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5That, and PC gamers don't have to wait 2-3 years for the Orange Box...
    • counterplex, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5It's all about Steam baby! No need to worry about game cds or losing my games if I reimage my machine - just download Steam and let it take care of it :)
    • vagarach, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The true genius of steam. Any computer, anywhere. You can have all your games on as many computers as you want!
      • FLarsen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If only music and movies was sold that way. When will they learn...
      • Aharoni, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If only it didn't take forever to download stuff from it...
    • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1A blatant fanboy shout comment like that gets 40 diggs? Nice.... not. For the record, I love both, HL and Halo games.
  • arpnuke, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3Orange box is an alright deal (average length of a good campaign) if you have played the first one. TF2 should keep people busy for a while. If you missed out on one of the biggest games, then it's an even better deal. People should stop treating the orange box like it's a privilege to fork over their money.
  • readme, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Pre-load! Pre-load!
  • NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5O...M...G... AWESOME! This has got to be the greatest package of games ever conceived!

    I've wanted to have each half life game packed in, for a while now... and for 60$ thats not bad... Plus... PORTAL!!! Hell YEAH!
    • Alegis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1$45 dollars now on steam. It's not like the requirements are high for PC, I remember playing HL2 on high settings on my Ati 9800 pro back in the day.
  • joegibes, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Dang, this makes me want $45 even more... (or a 360 and $60 for the game of course).

    I think Valve should sell TF2 separately; I'd buy it for like $20.
    • DeadPain, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Valve does sell it separately, it costs $30
    • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1With how much fun the TF2 beta is, I'd be happy to pay full price just for that.
    • segaze, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1apart from the fact you need the HL2 engine anyway you mean?
  • infinity198, on 10/10/2007, -11/+3i was looking so forward to this release. then i found out i cant get them separately like episode 1. I'm fine with paying 20 for an episode, that's what made it so great, cheap and a few hours of fun. then they have to pull this *****. i am not paying 45 for 1 game i don't want and 2 games i already have.
    I'm just going to wait till the next episode comes out and see if i can get a better deal that way......as long as i can that patient. that's going to be hard.
    • Yarnage, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7You're an idiot.

      1. You can get them seperatly (you say you can't, then you talk about paying $45 for one game.... sense it makes not)
      2. They have already said they'll sell custom packages on Steam once it's released.

      Now go ***** cry in a corner
    • Slybri, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0You're paying 45 bucks for 3 games you SHOULD want if you're a serious PC gamer and 2 games you can give away to a friend. The console kids are paying 60 bucks +tax and they have to wait 2 weeks for TF2. And they can't download user created mods or maps.
    • Soothsayer1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Then warez it if you don't want to bother with purchasing of the "whole enchilada".
  • m00nstone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9For those of you playing Halo that missed the Team Fortress boat in the late nineties. This game was the bomb! Crossing my fingers for great things.
    • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Halo players can't meet the challenge of Team Fortress.
      • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Really? I'm a Halo player, but I was pwning people left and right in PC FPS', long before TF was even out.
        • NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I meant to imply those Halo players who have only played with dual analogs.
  • macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11God, TF2 has completely distracted me from everything else. It's so much more awesome than I could possibly have imagined - it's like TFC all over again, but even better. And TFC was one of my favorite games of all time - seriously, for I don't know how long, I couldn't put it down.
    • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I pre-ordered on day one, played TF2 a couple of times, thought that it was bleh and never went back . There's no assault rifle class in the game and it takes like 5 blasts to kill someone with a shotgun. Not my thing, at all.
  • DolphinGL, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Already dropped my $45 on steam and have been happily playing TF2 for a few days now.
    Very very very worth it.....and I haven't even played Portal or Ep2 yet.
  • Mossman85, on 10/10/2007, -7/+28PC Gamer gave it a 94%. Episode Two features six hours of gameplay. That's more than Halo 3's entire single player!)
    • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Heh, Halo: Episode 3 XD
    • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Sigh... More childish Halo 3 jabs. 6 hour of play? Just like the Ep. 1, right? The game I finished in 2.5 hours the last time I played it. Then again, I also go through HL2 in 4.5 hours, on Hard.
  • ZeDJS, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2I can't play TF2 with my Nvidia GeForce 7900 GS (2x SLI) cards!
    I also have 1GB physical RAM and i found that its a RAM issue. BUT I CANT FIGURE OUT WHY!
    It sucks, i have no real way of knowing whether or not im gonna be able to play it =/ it looks fun, but crashes too fast to be able to play it =(
    • penguinshome, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7WTF!? you've got a SLI setup but you won't pay for some RAM, you deserve what you got, a useless pc.
    • macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Huh? I've got a real ***** setup - Celeron, Radeon 9250, 768 MB RAM, and I can play TF2 alright - looks absolutely God-awful because most of the settings are way down, but the gameplay is what really matters anyway, and it's still fun as hell.
    • Joeshie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You have two SLI cards but only one gig of RAM?

      Just to give you an idea, I had to RMA 2 gigs of dead RAM right before TF2 came out. Once TF2 was released, the only way it was playable on the one gig of RAM I borrowed from a friend was on all low settings. As soon as I got my two gigs of RAM back, I could throw it up to the highest resolution on the highest settings.

      tldr; Get two gigs of RAM. It will increase the performance tenfold.
      • Slybri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Have you tried playing it after yesterdays patches. They fixed a lot of crashes.
  • MalDON, on 10/10/2007, -2/+33TF2 is just ***** amazing.
    • pugnator, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5It is. It's been years since I have had so much fun.
    • beriadan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Then a spy stabs you in the back ...
  • hotdamn, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24They finally get to play BioShock!
    • Slybri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Now that I have TF2 I doubt I'll ever finish BioShock. I'm hooked!
    • Ionis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1For those who don't know what hotdamn meant was that Gabe Newel stopped everyone in VALVe from playing Bioshock till Orange Box was complete and released as they spent too much time playing on it.
      • basilan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I thought VALVe was giving them (the people who worked on the game) their own copies of Bioshock
  • soot, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1346/***** ...
  • FattyCorpuscle, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9My addiction to DOD:source has been cured by my new addiction to TF2. Valve you magnificent bastards. Is it odd that I look forward to losing a map and getting berated by the female announcer and her "you failed!"?
    • avisotin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1The announcer is what makes TF2 so hilarious imho... but she wasn't as brutal as I was expecting. I was hoping for something like "you suck!" to be screamed into your ear if you died, or something like that.
    • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That'd have ruined it. you failed gives her a proper sort of british flare, while still berating you for ineptitude :P
  • Dracusis, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20Valve kicking ass as usual. TF2 is da bomb, unless you're one of those fools that only owns a 360.
    • bulgingbritches, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3You get one game and console owners are now "fools".
      I guess its better to be a fool than an *****.
      • Dracusis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Nope, assholes are muh more useful, fools are just deadweight.
    • mistafreeze, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Any of those "fools" who only own a 360, will be unable to read your post, thus making your argument moot.
      • Dracusis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Or they could be reading from their PC at work, or a laptop, or an older PC without a powerful 3D card....
      • Dracusis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Or they could be reading from their PC at work, or a laptop, or an older PC without a powerful 3D card....
    • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Another immature anti-360 jabs get dugg up. Sigh... I do own a 360 and TF2 is not really my thing. Then again, I also own a kick-ass gaming PC and have been playing MP shooters since QuakeWorld.
      • Dracusis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So you own a 360 but you're playing PC shooters and you own a kick-ass gaming PC?

        Did you just bury my comment but prove it true in the same sentance?

        I'm curious, what do you actually use the 360 for that you couldn't do on your kick ass PC?
        • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Prove what true?

          What do I use my 360 for? I use it to play games that are either exclusive to or simply better suited for the 360. If I have a choice, I would rather play any FPS game on my PC, but I don't only play FPS games.
  • Slybri, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Between TF2 and UT3 my free time is pwned this winter, just like with the originals. My god..it's 1999 all over again!
  • RedX117, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Who gives a rat's ass about the box? It's the product we care about...
  • RAEP, on 10/10/2007, -5/+2I wouldn't be surprised if Valve released a statement tomorrow along the lines of "JK, UNGOLD'ED"
  • Dustin00, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1I prefer apples -- oranges have all that icky pulpy junk.
  • swean, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6what about the ps3 edition?
    • Syko3599, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4whats a ps3?
    • diggrim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1as a PS3 owner, I'm upset that they delayed the Orange Box...but, otoh, at least they're going to do it write instead of like the Madden crap-ports
  • ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1So.... is the "beta" testing of TF2 going on right now or not? I saw the news that Valve didn't put the "beta" of TF2 available to preorders. Can anyone confirm on this?
    • BugMeNot2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I'm pretty sure the beta is going on right now as I've already spent 17 hours playing it.
    • Syko3599, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5when you buy the orange box, you automatically download TF2. It just doesn't say beta on it.
    • mustang460, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1yea its been going on really fun game been playing it sence the realease date
  • Joeshie, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13A single-player and mutli-player experience that beats out Halo 3 all in one package.

    Awesome. Too bad it won't sell as much.
    • trashken, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2With the Xbox 360 version.. I beg to differ.
    • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Congratulations! You're just the 30th person to make a jab at 360 and Halo 3 in this thread. By the way, being both a huge PC gamer and a Halo 3 fan, I do not agree.
  • icsbase, on 10/10/2007, -10/+1I only wanted Team Fortress 2. Instead, i had to buy HL2 (AGAIN), HL2: EP1, HL2: EP2 and Portal. I would have gotten the TF2 separately but it's sold ONLY in that orange box atm. Even the black box would have been better option but no, we at valve cancel it so we get more profits.
    • Slybri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3For 45 bucks pre-order you get 3 new games, one of which (the best one) you can play right now. EP2 is over 6 hours of high-quality single player gameplay, Portal is a completely new type of game, and TF2 you can play forever. And they let you give HL2 and Ep1 away to a friend. 45 bucks is a deal.
      • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1"EP2 is over 6 hours of high-quality single player gameplay"

        Bull *****. How many hours they were claiming for Ep. 1, again? 5? Granted, I have finished HL2 like 15 times and on hardest difficulty, but Ep. 1 only took me 2.5 hours.
        I also don't care about TF2 or Portal.
    • rejectpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You could have waited till October 10th to get TF2 on its own. Its your own fault for not being patient and wanting to participate in the beta.
  • merdiesel, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3Why is everyone in here crying about how they think HL2 is better then Halo 3?..
    Who really gives a *****... they're both great games, get off your high horse, pc gamers.
    • rejectpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Nah, the Halo series is just a sub par, generic, first person shooter with nothing special about it at all. It breaks no new grounds, has a somewhat cliche storyline, and consists of "shooting baddies" and hitting the use key. I suppose that's "AWESOME OMG WTF BBQ" for console fan boys but for those of us who have been playing fps's for years, its trash.
      • Ellrick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2exactly what ive been saying sicne Halo 1.
      • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Which new ground did HL2 break? The gravity gun? Get off your elitist, PC gamer fanboy high horse, buddy.

        Halo did a lot of things right. The limited weapon load-out, fun multiple vehicles, interesting character and enemies, epic story, great AI, perfectly balanced combat feel, etc. I thought that it was the best sci-fi single player FPS since Half-Life, which is probably my favorite FPS of all time. Also, I have been playing FPS games since Doom and MP FPS games since QuakeWorld.
        • rejectpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I never said anything about half life.. I did say though, that halo did nothing special at all. Which is completely TRUE.

          The only reason Halo even became popular was because of MULTIPLAYER not this ***** "AI, vehicles, and storyline". You never hear nerds having nerdgasms over "OMG AI WAS SOO GOOOD", or "VEHICLES OMG NEVER BEEN DONE!" Nothing about the singleplayer is praiseworthy and thats why I'm sure nearly half of the people who own a Halo game have never played all the way through by THEMSELVES.

          If Halo had no multi player , and no co-op, it would already be dead series. But if you want to compare campaign modes of Halo to that of any of the truly great fps's, it will serverly fall short.
          • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That must be why I replayed the SP campaign for like 10 times and it became one of my top five single player games of all time. I always thought that it was a great, fun ride, even though the Library was pretty annoying. Speak for yourself, buddy.
        • rejectpenguin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The same type of thing could be said about goldeneye.. Although the storyline was ok, it was the multiplayer MADE the game what it was. As with Halo multiplayer MADE the game what it is.
    • jayhawk88, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3It's cool to hate things that are popular.
      • Orion682, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It really isn't that. Halo has just become iconic of what's wrong with the gaming industry. Putting Halo side by side with the classic games that were heralded as truly groundbreaking: System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Half-Life, etc, isn't even a comparison. The story is mediocre at best, the gameplay is generic shooter gameplay, differentiated from Doom only in that you now have vehicles and a recharging shield, and the level design is tired and repetitive.

        On co-op, my friend and I had to keep track of what rooms we'd been in in Halo 1 by whether there was blood on the walls. This was great till we got to the area where you first encounter the Flood. We saw the bodies, turned around, figuring we'd already been in that room, and backtracked for a nice chunk of the level.

        The problem is that Halo is a step backward, offering little more than mostly mindless gameplay. It's the reason why console gamers were so awed by Bioshock, and why so many PC gamers were disappointed. It was like a throw-back to the glory days of the shooter and gaming, this was true, but we could FEEL how watered down it was. Death had no penalty, there was no inventory management, your character was given so much Adam, even on the path of "good," that you didn't really have to chose what upgrades you wanted, and the storyline, hacking mechanic and characters were just steampunk versions or System Shock 2, except MUCH easier and with a way more transparent story.

        In fawning over visual details, we seem to have forgotten what made a game challenging and enjoyable. There was a time I could remember, when you'd be engrossed by a game and its story. In spite of technical limitations, whole worlds were crafted that would draw you to the brink of obsession in unraveling their secrets. Characters had depth, and motivations, and complex relationships with your and one another. And every challenge you overcame was difficult, and your reward was the sensation of being able to overcome it.

        Now, it seems to me, we are left with worthless statistics as metrics of our success, simple gameplay with no underlying thought required, and characters that are more 2 dimensional than Paper Mario. It seems that with so much more, we have managed to do so much less...
      • Joeshie, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I don't hate Halo because it's popular, I hate it because it is over-praised for it's generic gameplay while other better FPS are left with 1/10000th of the popularity of Halo. More deserving titles are left in the dust while mediocre titles such as Halo are praised as "groundbreaking revolutions", when Halo honestly wasn't groundbreaking in the least.

        If Halo fans would just stop giving credit to Halo for things it did not invent, then maybe a lot of the criticism against Halo would die away. I know it would for me.
      • BabyWookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Exactly. Especially, when they are exclusive to a game platform which you don't own.
    • macweirdo42, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1With HL2, we never would've had TF2. And that's the only freaking game that matters, now or at any point in the forseeable future, as far as I'm concerned. Did Halo 3 give us TF2? I don't think so. And that's why it sucks ass.
    • echo1001, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0i played halo3 even on a HD screen and still half-life2's gfx look better
  • phoque, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3October 10th? I thought it was October 8th?...
  • FoxtrotUSAF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+410/10/07 is fast approaching.
  • jayhawk88, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7The fact that TF2 and beer will soon exist in the same universe is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
  • Ellrick, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Every time valve announces a new game its tops on my most anticipated list, and usually statys there for years. Its kind of a bummer its getting console ports, I wish it were just on the pc to help it be a more viable gaming platform these days. But, if it makes Valve money, and keeps them making games, I cant hate too much.

    Teaming with EA makes me worried for their souls however.
  • econojon, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1I STILL WANT BOTS FOR TF2 AND SDK SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!
    • fibreoptix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm sure that will happen when after they officially release it.
  • Lindsey8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2just got a 360. i hope this is a good start for me.
  • UberC, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I ♥ Alyx
  • broknman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Cuttin' it a little close Valve.
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