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- bitt3n, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56so is he banned for 7 days only, or for the 3 extra days until resurrection?
- ronintetsuro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24So I spose since I paid to get my license, I have a right to drive like an *****?
No.
Everyone ELSE in the game is paying to play too. And if those people feel like they're being 'griefed', they have a right to see that person be punished. I don't buy that whole 'not breaking TOS' bull. Griefers know they're being evil and take pleasure from it. So ***** them. no mercy.
I dugg the hell out of this. - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25An accurate recreation of Britan during Roman times.....so will you just be slain by Centurions every time you log in? This game sounds like a thrill...........
But, putting griefers on display is a pretty cool idea. People should be able to knock him around while he's up there - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23This is so goddamn cool.
- UnlivedPhalanx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I think this is a good step towards humilating griefers in general, I'm sure I can speak for everyone when I say that we don't need them.
- lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It has been my experience that greifers thrive off of the negative attention they recieve. Alot of greifers might continue to act such a way to recieve the punishment.
It is like that annoying kid in school who actually seemed to be trying to make everyone hate him. - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Does this mean that the sins of all the other Roma Victor players are now washed away?
- bothra, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Awesome. Other MMOs need to learn from this. Public ridicule / punishment of griefers would lessen their effect immensely.
- Graphixaddict, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12rofl, see i think they should still let you log into your account, and there should be limited controls like moving your head left and right, screaming in agony. just so you could log in and look around at the people watching you being crucified.
- Sagarian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11in multiplayer games in which player characters can cause each other in-game harm ("PVP" or "player vs. player"), a "griefer" is someone who takes actions that don't advance his character, but do cause harm to others. Usually lower-level newbie types. As in running around with a level 99 uber-paladin with a +50 sword lopping off the heads of all the people signing in for the first time. over, and over, and over.
it was a problem in Ultima Online back in 1997, and other games have since designed it out, either by eliminating PVP except on certain servers (Everquest), by instituting level limits beyond which you can't attack other players -- i.e you have to be within +/- 5 levels (Shadowbane), or by creating specific arena/combat zones that you have to explicitly enter to voluntarily engage in player vs. player combat (Guild Wars).
The real story here is that Roma Victor, a title announced in 2001, still hasn't really shipped in final form and suffers from design problems that have been well characterized since 1997. - xocomil, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I don't think humiliation is necessarily the best punishment. I think a potentially more fun punishment would be to make a griefer invisible and unable to interact with the players around him/her. Let the griefer be able to see other players and able to interact and be killed by NPCs, but make him/her entirely invisible to every other character for 7 days. Everyone would ignore him/her and if they didn't figure it out for a while I imagine it would be funny to look through the logs as they "realize" that everyone in the game who isn't an NPC has decided to ignore them.
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11This is an honest question: What is a griefer?
- Brilhasti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I couldn't disagree more. They'd love it.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That might work somewhat, as long as they do not disclose the length of the punishment, and make it longer than a week. I suggest adding squirm and twitch to the list of controls.
- jeolmeun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I think this would do the opposite. Some griefers want attention, so not only will they be allowed to grief, but get rewarded for it.
- MonstersAGoGo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Good stuff. The pics are pretty funny.
http://www.roma-victor.com/news/media/gallery.php - wonginator1221, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7except after looking at the in game screen shots, you wouldnt expect more than a couple dozen polygons on a 2D cross
- Kitsune818, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Thanks for the explanation.. so they are like a MMO Troll then..
I also read this which wasn't quite as clear as your answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer - coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Stuff like this always impresses me. I love when MMO developers go that extra mile to put something really cool into their game.
- HaltingPoint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6A griefer is a player who's sole reason for playing the game is to make the game unfun for others to play. They do this in many ways from slaughtering new defenseless players, to training ridiculous numbers of high level mobs to a lower level area thereby indirectly slaughtering new defenseless players or even just following around players kill stealing.
There are many ways to grief, and all of them are retarded and need to be dealt with in creative ways such as this. Hope that clarifies. - ishmael5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 Roma Victor is a pretty dang cool MMO, but it's also darn hard to get used to playing...
- Sagarian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6sure they'd like the attention and notoriety, but they probably wouldn't like their chief source of pleasure being taken away -- that being frustrating and reducing the fun had by other players.
if enforcement were aggressive for repeat offenders (say, within a day of going grief-bonkers again he were cruicified again), this would probably be a very effective deterrent -- 7/8 of the time spent on a cross and you aren't really "playing" a game any more. - brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Talk about "the one thing" missing from MMOs. Glad to see there's room for new innovation.
- MilitantRabbit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Personally, I'm a big fan of Second Life's "Corn Field". I'd rather live through a Twilight Zone episode than be put through "Passion of the Christ".
- VanceMc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I really do hope there is a lot of taunting, etc. Even with the medieval punishment of the "stocks", the worst part was the rotten food thrown at you and the local urchins making fun of you.
Ah, back in the day . . .
BTW, you KNOW that this will make the next Diggnation podcast!!!! - panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree. If you want real results, permanently ban them. If you want even better results, set up a blacklist ala PunkBuster/(whatever the "punkcast" list is), so you can ban them across multiple servers and games. That is the only thing that will bring about a change in behavior.
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm not sure what statistics the game has but I think it would be neat if some of his skills decayed while he was on the cross. I mean, it's gotta hurt right? How about he loses 10 hit points permanently? Or his sword skill drops 3 points? Good idea, in my opinion :)
- Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3osbjmg, I would love to see that on the news.
"You're live on the WTFE 11 o'clock news with breaking news... it appears that some asshat is running around the WoW server, declaring that someone 'Stole his ***** Cloudsong.' More on this story as it develops." - IHaveIssues, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Are they working furiously at Blizzard to set up some stoning by elves servers?
- GeneralChang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Give these guys the award for most bland and ugly looking MMO! its like they loaded all the generic models and texture samples and clicked export to mmo.
I'm tired of the generic look most devs are putting out, Everquest is a fine example of good money wasted in development of a bland generic game with no sense of style.
but thats probably why they use the term MMO not MMORPG, sneaky bastards know they dont have to make it a fun if they dont call it a game. - spectre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Do you taste that sweetness in the air, kids? Where I come from, that's called Justice.
- kneeare, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3dont need them?
mmos would be just so damn fun if there was nothign to do but pick flowers and hug. - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3BOOYA! God, I wish every game had something like this. N00b killers, griefers, teamkilling *****, spawn campers all deserve something similar. Friggin awesome.
BTW, in the HBO series Rome they dealt with crucifixion the same way. Lucious Vorenus (the bad ass centurion) uses it to get information out of a Gaul to recover a stolen golden eagle. - twylight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They should let people elect the next victim...
- scheper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem here is that some people will kick on the attention and will grieve with the sole purpose of being put on display.
- monsieurgrand02, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's awesome! A much better punishment than just being banned for a few days.
- knightcrawler75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Agreed. They have to log on at certain hours of the day to receive a rotten vegetable and feces pelting from the disgruntled citizens.
- CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If that's the speed limit, sure. If it's how fast you can get your car up to and the speed limit is 65, then no. I'm with the other guy. The problem isn't this guy, it's a poorly designed game that allows for this sort of jackassery. I don't like a griefer any more than the next guy, but the problem is that most people are jerks who would love to grief others. That's why good game design is so important.
- NoahK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wait... so he's crucified for 7 days, then comes back to life? Where have I heard that story before...
- Schda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know that it'd lessen the effect of griefers.
I'd think it'd encourage them as after they are crucified and come back they could try and claim they are the son of god or something. It'd be bragging rights for the griefer. - jeolmeun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How do you humiliate griefers with this? I would think griefers don't care about what you think is ridicule.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"as punishment for ganking other players as they first appear."
I don't see what the problem is...If you don't want a player to be able to die when they appear, then why enable the possibility in the first place?
Seems to me the player that is reappearing should have to bear the consequences of dying, regardless of if it results in him dying a second time or not. - spectre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4A griefer is a player that causes unending annoyance or 'grief' to other players. In most games, a griefer is usually a high-level player that kills or otherwise causes problems for other (typically low-level) players. Almost all the victims of your average griefer are relative n00bs and are far too low level to be any significant threat to the griefer.
In other words, a griefer is a bastard. - Arkitan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is a horrible idea, all they are doing is giving attention to an attention whore.
- sgtawol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Great story, I wanted to bomb around on the site for more info... It appears to be getting the digg effect.
Regardless, I like it... How does one get crucified? Does it take a GM with a bad day, or like 1000 characters reporting you or what? - Ignathius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"In this case, the game engine allowed him to attack the new spawns, so it's fair."
the roads i drive on allow me to go 150MPH. so i guess it's fair game for me to go that fast 'eh? - nlatimer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its too bad the game isn't intuitive, it just renders it unplayable.
- Hypersapien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What would be cool is if they put his character up on the cross, but didn't ban the account. So that when the guy logs in, all he can do is watch himself hanging there, unable to walk anywhere or teleport (if they have teleportation in the game). And let other players throw things at him, maybe put a bottomless container of rotton fruit next to the cross.
- m.sandstorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Man if you could do this to ninjas in WoW, the land of Azeroth would be a happier place. (^-^)
- Zeerus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1did anyone notice that more than half of the people standing around were wielding swords and other weapons. I wonder if they can hit him or attack him in any way while he's up there. I second the idea of limited controls like screaming, moving your head, twitching, etc.
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