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- djfelix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Fact.
The sad truth for Microsoft is that, as a result, Nvidia gamers such as myself aren't upgrading until the driver support stabilizes. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26@ Alfdog
No, that happens here too. - NaterGator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Hey, if there are new nForce3 drivers out, let me know 'cause I can't find em! Last release for us was _2005_!!!
nVidia is playing a dirty game making promises and then letting them slip by without giving their customers any info. - mookee2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22given how Microsoft screwed nVidia on GPUs for Xbox, can you blame them for flipping the Redmond tarts the bird?
- EvolvedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15"write your own drivers like we do in the unix community"
Then why are you all complaining about ATI? - meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25So true. Vista users are whining about Nvidia not having drivers for all their stuff for an OS that was released only to businesses a month ago. Linux users have been waiting years for ATI to get their act together.
- SirBotchness, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14yea cause i go to macosrumors for my windows and nvidia news.
- i4mt3hwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I'm trying to find out who's drivers are worse, nvidia's or creative's.
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+22geez peopel.. vista came out yesterday and yeah it has been rtm for a month or so.. but
There is a new OS
It is full of strict and strange DRM
WE have a new direct X
Vista REQUIRES signed drivers(probably most key, you can probably blame ms as i am sure they are backed up certifing drivers)
Give the company a break, they arent trying to piss off their user base i know we are used to microwave tech.. i want it now..but belive nvidia when they say they are feverishly working on it. as users are fickle and lst thing you want is a user to blame your device when
and nvidia isnt the only one, you just ran into a great reason to give vista a chance to get out the door before switching..
do you really think every scanner, digital cam, cd carosel.. and other odd evices will have vista support yet? Even with the protections in vista and other protections required for drm? - nwoolls, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_97.46.html
- CrownSeven, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Gotta love the Anti-MS fanboys coming out in droves to support Nvidia.
If NV does not want to support Vista, they will lose market share to ATI. Plain and simple.
And for those that say Vista sucks - I'd love to here your experiences as to why it does? Whats that? Oh thats right 90% of you haven't even used it.
NV should've been working on these drivers A LONG time ago - they had access to pre-release versions of Vista just like other vendors have. - deria, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12It is very disappointing for NVIDIA to not have drivers ready for nForce 4/5/6. After all, its not like the release of VISTA was a surprise. There are drivers included with Vista, but they are problematic (network card vanishes after sleep, RAID installations difficult or impossible).
I don' t think that people are insisting on drivers being available RIGHT NOW, but rather that NVIDIA say *something* about the issue. Will drivers be available? When? In what order? Whats the schedule? - Drahkar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If any of you remember when Windows 2000 first came out. Nothing on it worked or worked with it. It wasn't until Service Pack 1 that things started to actually work with it. This is the same kind of deal. Perhaps you need to take a moment and remember that.
Not to mention that its not just Nvidia. All of the hardware out there is going to be having this problem in one form or another. - jhaitas, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21glad i'm not running windows anymore...
nvidia is one of the best vendors when it comes to Linux - daridave, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Since I HATE Vista's DRM crap, I'm happy about this.
I don't hate Microsoft -- but losing control and power on my hardware because of stupid DRM? Especially since I don't give a crap about HD content? Simply put, f*ck no.
So, nice... keep XP alive, baby!! - Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Where's ATI's DX10 card?
- Tanglefuzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8at least there are _some_ drivers available...
People with an M-Audio audio editing soundcard can't even get their card to work in Vista at the moment at all... :( - slackerbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Is it just me or does the "new nVidia control panel" for graphics cards have a supreme lack of options? I miss the old configure tab. :(
- Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Stay out of Iron Forge.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"but losing control and power on my hardware"
Could be worse. They could require that you buy Vista on only Microsoft PCs.
Strange. That sounds familiar..... Anyway, the driver signing is only on x64, so we don't have to worry about it for now. - gypsi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6nice inflammatory headline.
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"why don't you Windows guys go write your own drivers like we do in the unix community."
Most of us would rather play our games that we bought the cards for, not do someone else's job of supporting their own product.
$200+ and we should write our own drivers......get ***** real! - StatusQuoRules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5you're lucky to get 5 fps out of a fx 5200! those things SUCK!
- Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6man you are funny, go back to your hole. This will be for a mere moment in time. Do you really believe that nVidia will leave their customers in the dirt when they start adopting Vista. Hardly anyone is on Vista yet, just as no one is on Linux. The difference, Linux share will continue to grow at it's pace, Vista share will grow in leaps and bounds.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4
I would be more worried when they stop supporting XP and try to force people to switch to vista. - caudron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's funny how when Linux doesn't support a piece of hardware, the Windows folk are all "Linux doesn't work with anything" but when Windows doesn't support a piece of hardware, thse same people are suddenly all "Nvidia is holding out!". The headline suggests to me a double standard in that sense.
- srodolff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Vista community!?!
There is no community. Just users.
When it surpasses XP installs then we can talk about community.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." - Pestilence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4***** Vista - nVidia just released fresh linux drivers on 12/21
you should switch to a real OS :oP - DarknessGP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4meh, it'll take most companies atleast a month to get drivers that they have been working on since the RTM release to get them out. I suspect it won't be for another 3 months before we see most hardware needing special drivers have that support in Vista.
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Thanks to nVidia-Microsoft non-existent collaboration I will stay to my perfectly working XP, I didn't buy my 8800GTX for nothing. As soon as things stabilize a little and the first DX10 games will start coming out, in half a year from now, I would consider moving to Vista, until then no reason to do anything, I'm perfectly fine the way I am.
- STKD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I play F.E.A.R. and BF2142 every single day on Vista, among others. Performance isn't quite as good as XP but it's a pretty trivial difference in actual playing from what I've experienced.
- Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Crysis and the new UT is what will make me switch to Vista, but not until they're released.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5they still run fine. Everything on my nForce4 motherboard works. I didn't even have to install anything.
- STKD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Been using Vista for a while now with the 100.54 drivers that mysteriously everyone seems to have forgotten ARE AVAILABLE. No real issues.
- deria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Maybe they should SAY SO.
The bottom line isn't "waaa, no drivers are available", its "waaa, no drivers are available and nobody knows what the driver development schedule is, or even if there IS a driver development schedule".
People want to know if their chipset is going to be supported. People want to know if they need to purchase a brand new motherboard in order to get a stable Vista system.
All NVIDIA needs to do to make everyone happy (or at least prevent people from freaking out) is announce what in the world is going on. That's all. Nothing else. Even if they say "It will be one month, deal with it." - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Maybe you should check the auction house for [Recipe - Conjure more Frames Per Second].
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Remember those people whose main argument against Linux is that the "driver support sucks" ??
Oh the sweet sweet irony.
Don't blame Nvidia. - morphie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Finally some windows-geeks finding out how it feels to not have your hardware supported on platform you chose to use... Guess what, a lot of Linux users are experiencing this feeling for quite some time now....
- AniceAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Since Nvidia has being using a form of generic driver that could be used with many different versions of their video cards it has become a problem. To be a certified driver for Vista the driver must work only with one specific model. So Nvidia has to rewrite the entire works model by model. This of course is to protect the digital DRM loop prison that Vista turns your computer into. Have fun.
Me? sticking with XP for a couple years and playing console games instead of caring about dx10. Seriously though other then DX10 what else does Vista have? - danjal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i really feel sorry for those having issues, but i'm running my nforce4 board just fine...
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7People have every right to be pissed. They spent hundred$ of their money on their product. For the price I do not think it is unreasonable for updated drivers for the latest OS.
- sir_nacnud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not for sure why you would want to run UT2007 (UT3) on vista, I am pretty sure it uses directx 9 in addition to opengl. I know I will be running it on linux right out of the box!
- Wonotch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Tanglefuzz
I'm sorry but anyone installing Vista on a DAW system expecting to be productive is a complete fool. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Because nearly every card they sell in OEM pcs from Dell, HP, etc. will be running Vista, starting two days ago?
Along with the vast majority of new cards they sell. Seriously, if people are going to upgrade their PCs, at this point, odds are Vista's going on that box too. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Who ***** cares. Its only windows vista its not like anyone will use it anyway.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7OMG OMG OMG OMG! Vista's been out for a few DAYS. And I can't upgrade IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE to get my vista crack. MY GOD, I can't wait a few weeks, or GOD FORBID a MONTH!
- Frank_the_Tank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The video card drivers that have been released thus far are also lacking, not to mention features like SLI in geforce 6/7 cards are still not supported. All we've really seen are equivalent of leaked betas. Something's not right in nvidia land.
- orbit1979, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"this company has done alot for people and gone out of its way to support its products way better than ati!"
LOL! Nvidia failed to support Vista for their products, some of which can reach +$200 range. ATI released drivers for Vista the day it was released, plus had beta drivers before release. They had Vista drivers for my Radeon 9550 the day of release. This is a lower-end card I paid $119 for two years ago, and it has full Vista support. - Fumz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ NatorGator,
If nVidia is "behind", then that probably speaks more to the constraints DRM is forcing on them more than anything else? nVidia's driver history speaks for itself. Dare I say the nVidia driver team is legendary. They have, for years, pumped out one set of quality drivers after another. While I'm sure one could point to a set or two here and there that weren't "awesome", their overall history is one of great success.
I'm still in the middle of the Gutmann article, but from what I gather so far, DRM is not limited to audio and video drivers. I just checked the nVidia site and they've got Vista audio, network and video drivers out already, so clearly, while it's been a hassle and there's more work to be done in those areas, audio and video drivers aren't preventing the release of a chipset driver. Something is holding them back and I suspect that if not for DRM, the chipset drivers would have been released long ago.
Creative's problems date back well beyond Vista. They have always released crap drivers... however, that's a whole other topic.
The real issue though, if there is one, is probably people's expectations? What on earth led anyone to believe there wouldn't be issues with a new O/S, especially one as restrictive as this? -
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