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- farfromsubtl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+34This isn't the biggest news from this release. Nintendo says that independant game makers can add their creations to this service. ANYONE can design Nintendo games now. This is HUGE!
The new forms of innovative
software that can be created by any size developer will be made available for
download via Revolution's Virtual Console service.
"This new approach is like stepping onto an unexplored continent for the
first time, with all the potential for discovery that suggests," Iwata said.
"No one else can match the environment we're creating for expanding the game
experience to everyone. Our path is not linear, but dynamic." - Giggy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Great news for classic gamers. I just hope the price will be right.
- EricAnderton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24::jaw drops::
If I could digg an article twice, I would.
Am I alone in thinking "screw cutting-edge graphics, I want a console that's fun!"? - nymphetamine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22oh the irony. remember when nintendo and sega used to be rivals?
- lokai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21There is a difference in emulating ROM images and actually playing the games on a true console. I would prefer to play fun games, no matter how old they are, on an actual console; multi-player support is made much easier this way, I know that the games will play flawlessly, and I like the nostalgic feeling of sitting in front of a television as opposed to my monitor.
Do not forget that the next Nintendo console will support WiFi and wireless gaming right out of the box, if what I have read so far is correct. Perhaps there is a possibility that online multiplayer just might be introduced into a few of our old favorites.
Besides, people will buy individual songs for $0.99 when they could just steal them. Some people are willing to pay for a convenient service, and if Nintendo does this right I know quite a few individuals are going to pay. - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I would go so far as to argue that Nintendo may not win the "sales" war - but they win the "profit" war. Xbox? Has lost $4 billion so far between marketing/overhead expense. Sony? PS division has made money, the rest of the company is sucking a bit of wind.
Nintendo? Has $4 billion in *profit* (aka - *after* expenses are taken out), and all they do are games. My investment buddies like them, because they're fairly stable in terms of putting money in and keeping it or growing it.
So I'm not worried about N - and this move could be huge profit. Right now, if N publishes a Game Boy/DS game, they might make say $20 a game by the time they're done getting the cartridge, printing the manuals, putting it in the case, shipping, promotion, etc. Sometimes less.
With this download system, they could charge $10 to $15 a month as a rental fee, unlimited games, and all they'd have to worry about is bandwidth (cheaper than shipping). If people could buy games for $5 each (a la iTunes store style), that's almost pure profit *each sale*. And then if their independant system works, where they introduce a new game (like Xbox Arcade or Valve's Steam), again, that's almost pure profit minus the developers case.
Nintendo is really using the long tail here, and I think it will work. I'd also like them to put their Game Boy Advance series on (I've seen NES, SNES, N64 games, but not word of Game Boy or GBA games), but either way, this library and monthly rental can be like running a MMRPG style revenue, but with a much wider base (houses are more likely to use Nintendo's service with the kids than let little 9 year old Jimmy with a World of Warcraft account - and even Mom and Dad can play games like Mario Kart that way).
Very interesting stuff. I wonder if their recent Nintendo DS online work has been really getting them ready for the Internet market - getting servers and services ready for download, etc? Eh - more stuff for the fodder. - en3r0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Sweet, another great reason to buy it! Who's going to win the war? Nintendo.
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-en3r0
http://virtenu.com - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20There are a lot of Sonic games out for the Gamecube right now... so not, it won't be weird ;-)
- jeromeerome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17The new Nintendo has now added another reason to jump to the top of this years next-gen gaming wishlist. I can't wait to see what they show off at E3 this year.
- camsoft2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15No, your not alone. I just bought a snes. More fun then any modern game console.
- silverSurfer84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16NES, Super NES and N64 games have already been confirmed to be playable on the Rev.
- iKato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Agreed. As long is the price is reasonable, many gamers (myself included) are going to be in 16-bit heaven.
- Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14yeah don't worry about the controller, Nintendo announced at E3 2005 that the FHC (remote lookin controller) will slide into a 'shell' which will be used just like a normal controller
IGN had a mockup of it awhile back...but it seems to have disappeared... - rohcky, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Because emulation is illegal. Not everyone likes to break the law.
- frankie9999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I said it before and i will say it again...Nintendo is coming and Xbox and PS3 are in the way...Xbox ANd PS will be considered superior systems by some, but Nintendo will win the sales war
- joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Lumiras, why are you always so pesimistic?
Its one thing to play games on your PC, but it's another to play it on a console.
And legally.
It's just like iTunes overcoming the P2P systems and the music downloads. - mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Sure, why not? NES ROMs weighed in at 1Mbit (128Kbytes) a MAX (there was 1 game that size, the rest were more likely in the 64KByte range). SNES peaked at 48Mbit (6Mbytes), but were much more commonly 16Mbits (2mbytes). I'm assuming TBGX and Genesis games are about the same size... N64 really pushed it, up to 32Mbytes a game for most titles, although a handfull were double that. So, in 512Mbytes (assuming there is compression of the ROMs for storage - which I think is an inaccurate assumption) you could fit:
30 SNES games
30 Genesis games
30 TurboGraphix games
100 NES games
10 N64 games
Want more? Add a $30 Secure Digital card and double that. I'm not to concerned about storage space, personally. - demonthises, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10charlotte_web that isn't necessarily true. This actually opens the market for third party wireless controllers for each of the different platforms. So you could play Zelda: Ocarina of Time with a controller similar to the N64 or Sonic 3 with a genesis controller clone. Another possibility is a type of black box that lets you take your old controllers plug them into the Revolution thru it. Of course this means you will have to spend some money on these marked up peripherals in order to enjoy these classics in all their glory.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Yeah, it was just as bad as the xbox vx ps2/3 arguments
Though on another note--I remember going to Funcoland(sp?) one time long ago and overhearing some kid asking his Mom to get him a Sonic game. The Mom actually knew better and told him he couldn't get it because he didn't have a Sega. Man how things have changed... - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Between the Sonic Adventures, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems.... pretty much EVERY retail Sonic game can be played on the Gamecube, I believe.
- pwncore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I can't believe it's taken this long for Nintendo to offer an alternative to emulation. I've been emulating classic games for years because I couldn't go buy them. The only way I could buy them was used at places like Game Crazy for ridiculous prices (they were selling Super Mario All-Stars for $65 last time I was there) and even if I buy them used it still doesn't help Nintendo any more than emulating because they don't make any money off used games.
- blackhand0114, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6charlotte_web there is also the shell nintendo has said they are making. That way you just put the rev. controller into the shell of X company so you have the button configuration of what ever you need. They are also using the shell so multi system games can be easily ported to the Rev. So not every game has to be played with the Rev. Remote.
- TheWalkingDude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I agree; I hope the cost to download them is reasonable. It's good to see Turbo Graphics being incorporated. The Turbo Express was always out of my price range, but I used to drool over it at the store.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_graphics
Mario, Sonic, and Bonk joining forces - awesome. - prax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Nintendo sharing info about old games being playable on their system is neat. But while it is indeed neat it's not the big enchilada. Nintendo has always kept the 'big stuff' secret as long as it possibly can. So, yeah, we get old games. No secrets need to be held back about that. The big surprises? The wow factor? That's gonna have to wait until E3 and beyond.
- silverSurfer84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is so awesome! NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, Genesis, TG16 and of course Revolution games themselves! This means that the Rev could be released with potentially something like 10,000 launch titles! I need the Rev now.
- mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yes, because paying Comcast gives you the rights to every game ever made. :rollseyes: I'm not huge fan of IP laws, but that's a great lesson to teach your son. Can't afford something? Steal it! I mean, before there was a viable alternative to just pirating the game I can understand not being willing to pay $80 for a 15 year old game. You can get almost any SNES game at GameStop/EBGames or on eBay, and even N64 consoles are like $15. It's not like anyone is stopping you from buying the cart, and the system and owning it forever.
It's also not like Nintendo is going to make you throw out your Rev and all the gaems you bought for it in 10 years, and make you buy them again. Lost them? Broke it? That makes it ok to steal them now? Seriously, now that they are going to offer them for instant download, at hopefully reasonable prices, there's not much of a reason to keep on stealing them. - haooken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I thinks it a nifty idea. I mean, I doubt it takes a whole lot of work to do this, especially if its the original (not 'remastered') titles. Essentially just emulation software and the ROMS. Apparently similar things can be done on the Xbox/PS2, but that requires some degree of skill. All in all, another Tip of the Hat for the Revolution
/Please, for the love of all things holy, no one ever call this the GO! Just keep calling it the Revolution
//Frankly I don't care and probably won't buy one, but GO! is just really, really stupid. - shakezilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They should release "Castlevania X - Rondo of Blood" this way. An old Turbografx game that's tough to find and is usually expensive, despite its age. Castelvania fans would be happy, anyway.
- joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+716-bit paradise :)
One of my favorite gaming generations
Here's a great list of some Genny titles that would be great to play on a modern console:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2006/02/best-sega-genesis-games-for-nintendo.html
There are a number of great titles that still hold up in today's market
And if there are going to be aroudn 1,000 games, they must have just about every decent game lined up. There shouldn't be too many missing. Definately promising!
Another thing... maybe this will show that gamers still like this stuff and 2D games shouldn't be limited to handhelds now.
I'd love to see a Sonic Rush-type game and a new 2D Super Mario Bros on a full console.
Think of combining those franchises (and more --- Metroid, Castlvania, etc) with a Viewtiful Joe type setup! - manitcor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5more often than not I have found most emulators to be imprefect in one way or another. The rev will most likely be using emulation itself but with Nintendo, Sega and Hudson writing the respective emulators you can be assured that the expierence will be damn near excatly like what you would expect from the orignal hardware.
Also there is that whole being legal thing. Some of us do try to follow the law regaurdless of if we belive in it or not. - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I suppose my feeling is that Nintendo has made such a huge deal about their new controler, but they haven't shown us how it will actually work. All the while, they keep telling us about all of these old games they'll be putting on the system. I guess my problem is just that Nintendo has promised a next-gen console experience while they've only show us a lot of stuff from previous generations
- joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It would also be cool if 32X and Sega CD games were supported.
A 32X upgrade of the best games would be incredible as well. - manitcor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5your defintly not alone, the last game system I ever commited serious time to was my N64. I have found many modern games to be rather uninspired. GTA and FF were the only things that got me to by a PS2 and while I found GTA to be a real fun game its re-play ability is limited and FF, well Square has just killed FF.
I miss the days of 4 player mario kart and other great games that were simple but fun. I play games to relax, not to get finger cramps and yell at the screen. - ImpactedColon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5OK, so is it wishful thinking to wonder if I can buy the games on revolution and then send them to my DS to play anywhere? That would ROCK!
- techtv04, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This Is Great News. I Loved My Genesis And Now Its Back
- sidhighwind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I would love to see the games at say 1.99 or even 99 cents. I think that would be the best in the world.
- swaxhog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They're not that bizzare to the Japanese, who probably have as much interest in this Nintendo company's new console.
- joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5its upgradable...
- zukeft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5And all of this on just 512MB?
- NickyBatts, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Wow... as if there weren't enough reasons already to purchase a Revolution...
- Tekmazter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My experience with all of my Nintendo purchases will keep me always looking at Nintendo in the future. With the exception of my GC, every purchase I have ever made has more than been worth the dough I dropped on it. And considering I only actually played the GC for a few months perhaps I shouldn't just toss that aside either. Super Monkey Ball action alongside a keg of beer and 10 of your closest friends is a complete blast!!!
While the news of this additonal backward compatability with older consoles isn't any surprise, it is one more serious reason for me to look at buying the REV when it finally hits the shelves. I'm a classic old skool kind of guy ... been into games since I was a wee'ol 7 years young and still love to go back and play C64 stuff (Druid, Raid Over Moscow etc...). My point? The REV really is going to be for so many generations of gaming fans and not just those who started playing in the past 10 years.
Nintend -ROCK SOLID ... now, back to Metroid Prime: Hunters...! - enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Thumbs up to Nintendo. I want all 3 systems but this is going to be a big plus for Nintendo.
- Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You pay a small fraction of what you did pay originally, I doubt they'll sell NES games for 20 bucks a pop, I'd say prices similar to iTunes will be likely.
- joehobbes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Saturn has very complex hardware that isn't even emulated on the PC properly yet.
I'm not ruling it out completely, but I would be absolutely amazed if it happens.
Dreamcast is gonna be a pain to emulate as well -- you would need some high power -- almost like trying to emulate the PS2 - zukeft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4^^ Well thank goodness, 'cause we're talking GB here.
- mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11"Because emulation is illegal. Not everyone likes to break the law."
WRONG. Emulation is not illegal. It is illegal to take the ROM software off a machine and distribute it with an emulator, just likes it's illegal to rip the ROMs from their carts and distribute them. Nothing illegal about writing an emulator that uses its own original software to do the same thing as the original hardware, though. Also nothing illegal about ripping the data off a cart you own and playing it on a different machine. Downloading the ROM data for a game you own is just a bit hazy in terms of legality, it's the distribution of the ROM that is the crime.
This is US specific, regulations in your home land may vary. - Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Microsoft: "So like ya our system is like awsome graphics and its like out before the rest of them."
Sony: "We have like the bestest graphics and Blu-ray!!"
Nintendo: "The Revolution is 7 ***** systems in one!!!" - cambrown99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I wouldn't be surprised if sometime down the road we see some Saturn games for the Revolution. If this thing can download and emulate N64 games, the chances are it can handle Saturn. Who knows, maybe Sega will package some Dreamcast games for it as well? The Revolution controllers are just begging for Samba de Amigo maracas add-ons.
- joshwilson1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The more I read about old content availability on the Revolution, the more I am thinking of abandoning Sony and Microsft forever.
- architectzero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If Nintendo add one feature to this huge range of emulation, then they've got this round in the bag.
What's that feature?
Networked head-to-head game play for every game*
* that supports multiplayer play -
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