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- ro0ke, on 10/11/2007, -5/+147Jack Thompson finally gets a digg account.
- NikoKun, on 10/11/2007, -5/+91sheeesh, they should allow it... just not endorse it... xD That's like a DVD player company saying it wont allow porn to be played on their players...
- coldphoenix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+73Does anybody else think this is ridiculous? I mean imagine DVD players banning the play of NC-17 or whatever. Shouldn't it be up to the consumer what they play on their $500 systems.
- hokeywebb22, on 10/11/2007, -5/+74"ratings systems are in place to protect and should not be exploited."
What the hell are you talking about? How are they exploiting the rating system? They made an Adult game and it got an adult rating.
They didn't try to trick the ESRB into getting a mature.
I hope they release the game as they want on whatever system they can even if it only is PC. - 1jaxstate1, on 10/11/2007, -5/+52If you don't like don't buy. I'm playing it as soon as it's released.
- axox, on 10/11/2007, -3/+45When I was a kid I loved porn. It was awesome and educational.
- pmichaelson, on 10/11/2007, -3/+41Go PC. You can watch porn and play all the adult-oriented games you want.
- washingtonydc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+39@neiltc
"We could put the shoe on the other foot and consider that without this censorship, Rockstar Games has the ability through this medium to realign what people believe is decent - everything I have read about this game has been sadistic to the extreme and why should they be able to provide this to anyone? There's that and the fact that an AO rating doesn't prevent the sale of the game to kids. What sort of a crazy country is it when a rating by qualified individuals doesn't stand up as a legal basis for non-sale? You entrust people to regulate the supply of prescription medicines which can do harm to people, so why not regulate video games which can do psychological harm too?"
First--just because you or others find it sadistic doesn't mean others will. A lot of people here in America find Harry Potter Satanic...so should that affect JK Rowling's ability to share her story?
Second--in the eyes of American law, the ESRB isn't qualified to legally affect the sales of games. They are a private institution and have nothing to do with the government. Furthermore, video games are not like medicine. They are media like books, movies, newspapers and et cetera--video games are protected speech.
The US Constitution and its Bill of Rights give parents the freedom to rear their children as they see fit without the heavy hand of Uncle Sam telling them what media is right or wrong. - endustry, on 10/11/2007, -3/+38I want this game more than ever!
- eightbitgirl, on 10/11/2007, -2/+34then there's no reason to put out games with adult content, if none of the major consoles will allow playback of them. whatever happened to artistic freedom?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32not enough penises
- speedk0re, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32goddamnit i can't digg you down more!! Please don't play violent video games if you have problems differentiating between them and real life, and FFS, leave us that can alone!
- Phyltre, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29Why is it a good thing? Nobody is forced to buy the game!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+24You will buy zelda 35 and everyone knows it.
- RTFishUL, on 10/11/2007, -4/+27Yeah, this shows that the rating system works, not that it's being exploited. They made a questionable game and a result, systems aren't going to use it... damn them and their exploitation of the system, kids everywhere will be incapable of playing this game... just like they wanted?
- Raian, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24What's the big deal with this game anyway? Too many penises?? It's a video game-- get over it.
- spudnic, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21@pmichaelson (#7292103)
At the same time too if you like - coldphoenix, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22And my response to that is...when will parents learn to take matters into their own hands and be f$##kin responsible parents for once...instead of bitchin at the government and companies to do the job they are too lazy to do themselves.
- NuclearBlast, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22Seriously. What's the point of even having the rating if none of the major systems will play it?
- norman619, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20"If the ESRB system actually *worked* (aka, a 10 year old couldn't walk out of a store with a M (or OA) game) we wouldn't have this problem."
Oh really? So now it's the rating system's fault? Try placing the blame where it belongs. Try the parents. They stores who do not enforce the rating system. - sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+18---"Plus the only country so far not to ban this game has been Canada, which noted also didn't ban Postal"
Ummm... America hasn't banned the game. A private organization gave it a certain rating that other private organizations do not allow in their stores or on their consoles. That has nothing to do with the country... it would be perfectly legal to sell Manhunt in a Gamestop and play it on a PS2 if Gamestop and Sony so desired.
---"I will engage in active warfare against all supressors of freedom, specifically the snakes at Nintendo."
I'm sure they're terrified. And why are you only singling out Nintendo? Sony is refusing to license the game as well.
With all that said, it's still ridiculous. I don't get how video games (which look like cartoons) have to follow this strict ratings policy, while you can have blood spilling out all over the place from real people in movies like Hostel or Saw. Meanwhile, a DVD can come out in stores in a special "Unrated" version with even more blood and guts and places like Wal-Mart have no problem selling those; but if a video game gets an AO rating, it's treated like hardcore porn. It's such a ridiculous double-standard simply because video games are perceived as toys despite the average player being 30 years old. - sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20---"You entrust people to regulate the supply of prescription medicines which can do harm to people, so why not regulate video games which can do psychological harm too?"
Show me any shred of evidence that proves video games - or any form of media - have ever caused psychological harm. There are many theories, but absolutely no proof... and there never will be. Because video games, movies, books, songs, TV shows, Broadway plays, and any other form of entertainment has never caused someone to kill anyone, ever. Period. - nreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -5/+22There are tons of Japanese porn games for the PS2. But since those don't have to be rated by the ESRB, there's no problem in liscensing them. And it's hardcore stuff (I've never played, but there was an article on digg(or kotaku, iunno) about it a while back).
- Sell, on 10/11/2007, -7/+24Big boys game on PC anyway.
- sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18But why doesn't Toshiba get a backlash for allowing "Men In Back - The KY Connection" to play on the same DVD players that you can play "The Lion King?" Why do games have to have a license?
Why does Gamestop sell unrated copies of DVDs that would never be allowed to be shown in theaters? I could pick up the Unrated version of Saw III (which I guarantee is far more gruesome than anything in Manhunt 2) in a Blockbuster, Gamestop, Wal-Mart, Target, etc. with ease, but pixelated violence is just too much for them? Please. - 4040, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Is the link not working for anyone else?
If it's broken for you, too, here's a working link:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/06/20/nintendo-and-sony-wont-touch-manhunt-2-with-ao-rating/
Also, FTA:
"We asked Microsoft to comment on their AO policy, but they had not yet responded by the time of publication."
MS told Gamespot that their policy is the same when it comes to AO games. - OgnodoD, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Oh, the drama! SONY has the same policy.
- Shorties, on 10/11/2007, -7/+21While a good thing, it also turns the AO rating into a censorship rating much like NC-17. It gives the ESRB enough power now to rate things AO that they don't like (Like the MPAA does with Consensual Gay Sex in movies) to force the creator to tone it down to their liking. While I personally find this particular game horrific I still dont think censorship is the right road to take.
- cubedude6491, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17Aheem....."Pussies"
Thank you
Honestly Sony/Nintendo, its a game, lighten up. - eightbitgirl, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15that is ridiculous. I don't understand why they won't allow playback of the AO-rating in the first place. I doubt it's the kids that are spending $600 on consoles, and if parents pay attention, they wouldn't buy an AO-rated game for their kid. so why not make a damned profit? as a consumer, if you don't like it, don't buy it.
- VeganG, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13@norman619:
"Since when do the console makers think they should control what kinds of games the consumer can play on their console?"
Erm, I think you answered your own question: the key words are "THEIR console." "They" being the company, not the consumer, I mean. - StarkDigging, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12@Jagdwulfe: "Lots of cool cut scenes where you brutally kill people."
Don't forget, on the Wii, these were going to be highly interactive 'cut scenes' involving testicle grabbings and spine yankings. The PS2 version is going more for the Manhunt (1) route, where the cut scenes just play out.
@Neiltc13:"This is a good move by both parties - creative freedom is one thing but instructional sadism is disgusting."
Calling something 'instructional sadism' is entirely your right, but you should try to acknowledge it as a matter of opinion and perspective. I would like ours to be a free society comprised of free thinking, mature adults with a good grasp of personal responsibility and the ability to make free decisions. Consumers should be able to make up their own minds about whether or not it's in good taste, not the Ratings Board, not Sony or Nintendo, and certainly not you.
@Neiltc13: "Expect to see a revised version on store shelves soon spurred by lots and lots of free publicity. Fast forward a year or so and you'll find an "Uncut" version on PC.
On this prediction you are 100% correct. - johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11@nreynolds: Actually, you are incorrect. In Japan, there are plenty of porn games for the PC. However, when those games come to the PS2, they are edited to remove the porn (for example, the recent release of "Fate/Stay Night").
- McLumpy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Manhunt 2 isn't being sold on the 360. Let's please not be ignorant, people.
- Konrad9, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14Pussies.
Let the consumer decide what they do and don't want on their console. - emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10@neiltc13
Actually no, I don't entrust people to regulate the supply of prescription medicines, they just do it anyways. Sure they can do harm to people, but any harm video games or drugs can do in real life is strictly the fault of the person. Doctors' opinions are indeed valuable, but it's ridiculous that they should be given the final say as to what medicine you can access. If somebody wants to ignore the doctor and ends up hurting themselves, it's their own goddamn fault. Life is nothing if not about choices, and I'm sick of one person after another arguing that all our choices should be made FOR US. - Phlex330, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10I'm not happy about this. GameStop and EB better start returning Pre Orders if this is how it’s going to play out. I want the EXACT game I pre-ordered not some toned down version.
I don’t understand what the big deal is. if a game is rated adults only why cant adults buy it. I don’t have any kids and I’ve been playing violent video games since I was a kid and to this day I haven't killed a single person, But if they don't give me what I've paid for then I may. - sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10---"This is a 'free' society. "
And Sony & Nintendo are free to not allow the game onto their console. There are many better reasons to oppose this decision than "well it's a free country." Yes, and this free country allows businesses to make decisions on how to run said businesses. If the government were involved, then you'd have a point, but they're not. - scronline, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Rating or not. There are a HUGE amount of gamers that are over 18. It's stupid to cut that group out like that. Parental locks that will block certain rated games, sure. But blatantly locking it like that. Bugger off. Guess there's even yet another reason I don't buy consoles anymore.
- fober, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9That doesn't quite work out the same way.
Video game publishers have to agree to a contract with various platform owners, like Sony and Nintendo in this case, because you can't technically just release video games on their platforms without their approval.
If Sony and Nintendo tell you they won't agree to a game that's rated AO, you have to follow those rules. The consumer doesn't have a seat at that meeting table.
You don't have to sign an agreement with Sony when you plan on publishing a DVD. In fact, I don't even know that all DVDs are even rated. - theiss, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13If the ESRB system actually *worked* (aka, a 10 year old couldn't walk out of a store with a M (or OA) game) we wouldn't have this problem.
- Renton, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8Tell me, have you ever seen a movie rated NC-17 for violence? Nope, only for porn. In terms of violence, movies get away with a lot more than video games. Go watch Hostel or Saw and you'll see what I mean.
- loves2spooge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8That's not true lol CF "The Guy Game"
- corich, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8I just don't understand why this game got an AO rating and Saw 3(Torture Porn) only got an R rating they are basically the same thing so shouldn't they get the same rating.
Why are movies and Games Treated differently in America, In New Zealand they are handled by the same government body and it works just fine. - sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10@theiss
---"And if a 10 year old is walking out of a store with a M game, their parents are (a) not there (b) bad parents."
Maybe you shouldn't be so snotty. Who are you to say someone is a bad parent because they think their child can handle playing an M-Rated game? My parents let me play Mortal Kombat in 1992 when I was 9 years old, hell, they let me watch horror movies when I was six, and they did a fantastic job of raising me. Not all kids are the same and good parents don't just restrict something based on a silly rating, they determine what is and what is not appropriate for their child. Not everyone's child - their child. - sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7It is their hardware that they give developers a license to create games for. They're not telling you what to do with your console, they're telling developers what they're allowed to do with their hardware. It is their right as a private business to make that decision.
And by the way, you don't sound very much like an adult when you call a video game company a bunch of "*****." It's over-reactionary people like you that give mature gamers a bad name and make us all look childish. You're just adding fuel to the fire that we're all angry teenagers that are ready to shoot someone at any given moment. - sark666, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7This is nothing. I heard there's this guy shaking his hips on live television!!! For the love of god!!!
We've gone through it before, every generation has to focus on something evil that's warping peoples minds. Elvis, Heavy metal music, rap music... blah blah.
I don't agree with not stocking these games. But maybe what alarms them that instead of say watching a slasher flick you become the slasher. Now fast forward 10-20 years as games become more photorealistic. Imagine in a game your a serial killer, breaking into peoples homes and your doing the violence to people, if dipicted graphically/realistically I could see it giving a lot of people pause. Again, not that I'm against someone being able to make that. Let the market decide. - Renton, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Microsoft has the same policy.
- DlGG, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Actually it won't be on the Xbox either.
"It is company policy that there are no AO games for Xbox® or Xbox 360."
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/personality/xboxdad/20061031-whatsappropriate.htm
Unless they change their policy I guess... - thepolkapunk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8I'm so ***** sick and tired of this! If you don't approve of it, don't let your kids buy the game! But holy *****! Stopping me from being able to play a game whose sole purpose is entertainment is just inexcusably stupid!
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