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- mazerrackham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+54I believe this is known as the Diebold patch strategy.
"Nothing is wrong, we're just fixing it." - billmccartney, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37Which is fine... for a video game console... but that is very different from a voting machine!!!
- databyss, on 10/12/2007, -9/+30I see no valid reasons why this information can't be made available with each patch.
- Dihuko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Well, look at what has happened with the PSP updates. With every firmware release new, old, and upcoming, users attack Sony over it. If Nintendo keeps quite, users won't have much to get angry at them about I think. :D
- meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25@babywookie:
Good conspiracy theorist! - JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15And less homebrew! Let's not forget currently the best available media center PC you can get for your buck is Xbox Media Center.
- meepus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15For that? If I was your kid, I'd ***** in your pillowcase.
- ChildeRoland420, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It should be 365.24, not 365.25, days per year.
What's the point of using 5 significant figures if you're going to get the last one wrong anyways? - Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16This is Why:
"Wii firmware update 12/20/06
New Changes:
-Bug Fixes
-Bug Fixes
-Bug Fixes
-Bug Fixes"
Not so informative, hey?
Im pretty sure Nintendo has sense and WILL inform us of new features when they are ready, they might just be afraid of stating "Downloaded New Channel Content" before a new channel is ready in their update log, only to give incentive for hackers to crack it, recieve the content ahead of time and leak it to millions. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.
- Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7That's only making it worse... they could do whatever you want behind your back, and they don't even feel like telling you anything about it. And you cannot even object to it...
Still, I don't really consider it as a big issue, and I certainly wouldn't mind it that much, but I know people who would be shouting all over the place if Microsoft or Sony only thought for a second about doing something like that. Believing that Nintendo is any better than they are is just foolish, and there are plenty of examples available. - whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -2/+9"As for announcing new features, I feel like the legions of nintenerdos are handling that pretty well."
We prefer the term "nintendorks." - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8If sony didnt tell, people would be angry.
if Nintendo didnt tell, people would wait with anticipation. - isthisnametaken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6and no more pointless comments by you!
win win! - IdanE, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@Everyone, pretty much:
When I get new software, that I paid for, I better know what changes there are in the update, even if it doesn't affect me in any way! I wanna know about every little frame they fix, every sound they add, every little nuance, like I can with firefox ! I can just log into their bugzilla and track every defect!
That's a nice little pipe dream, isn't it?
Now let's get real. The Wii currently either gets new features (which you hear about) or bug fixes (which most people don't care about). As far as I know, the Wii currently doens't have any bugs that, once resolved will enable things to work better, or work at all (like XBOX compat. updates).
I want to know when new features are added. That makes sense. But as for other things, there are 2 views:
1. I don't care. The system plays the games I want, the way I want, and has features that work as intended (although crippled in my opinion).
2. I want to know about every little bit they change because, although it doesn't affect me, I want to know everything because I like knowing (which is a better view than most).
There is, however, a 3rd view: the "scene" view. People trying to mod the console, run linux, burn pirated copies and run homebrew.These are the people who really have something to gain from this knowledge. They're also the people Nintendo doesn't want hacking their system, and, therefore, choose not to release information that is pretty much worthless to anyone except hackers. Remember that Nintendo markets VC games. If someone got Snes9x or any other emulator running on Wii - Nintendo loses a chunk of its profits.
In any case, I'd love it if there was more info. I love what people can do with consoles - my most used piece of tech is my XBox, and that's only because of XBox Media Center - it makes the Xbox a better media center than most PCs (and cheaper, too). I would love to see the Wii scene develop... just don't expect Nintendo to support it - they are, after all, a profit-driven company - All4not, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Don't you like 'undocumented features' as Oracle calls them?
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Microsoft actually provides very detailed patch notes for the 360.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/news/2006/1030-novemberupdate-completelist.htm - Boofster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6No console provides that afaik. It would be nice to have a patchlist readme somewhere, on a website maybe.
Two theories. They are either super embarassed by some bug typo that they don't want to admit they fixed or they think the average joe retard will get confused by information like this and their support department will get many more calls for nothing. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Nintendo's never had a previous console that needed bug fixes and updates, so I don't know where you're getting this information from...
Give me a reason to fear Nintendo's updates and then we'll talk. - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I would like to know whats being updated, thats just the way I work but since this is a game console and not my PC or my 360 then ill let it slide so long as it continues to work the way its suppose do.
Of course if they change something major then they should tell us, but if they are just fixing bugs or making little tweaks its ok if we dont know..but again I wouldnt mind at least a little info. - Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There's a difference between 'not publishing anything' and 'announcing every little thing you do'.
Sony only mentions stuff like "improved security" when they fix vulnerabilities on the PSP, it's not quite enough to give any clue to hackers, and it makes the casual user happy to know why he's doing the update. Not to mention the added/improved features, it always makes it more exciting to learn what's new from the start, rather than discovering a new feature a couple of months after it's been made available. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Great, and now you've gone and told everyone. Thanks. My rupee probably isn't even there waiting for me anymore, cause some 'tard will have duped my acct info and snuck into the cave.
- LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why shouldn't we know? True, this is "just" a game console, but that's not really the point. The point is, is that every time a company black boxes something we purchase and own, then twiddles things under the hood without our knowledge, it sets us, the consumers, up for some very serious heartaches down the road.
Historically, pure bred game consoles really had no need to include circuit diagrams and other information or make the information readily available. (I'm not talking about mixed breeds, I still have the pin-out, circuit and other technical information for my XEGS).
However, for the first time ever, we have a complete generation of pure consoles that have the ability to receive upgrades in some fashion. Under ideal circumstances, this is a great setup. We don't have to worry about disparate consoles that won't play certain games (SEGA Genesis for example), or annoying bugs that will _never_ go away because of a flaw in the underlying hardware or programming. It also opens up the door for some awesome hacking opportunities (Xbox) whenever we can shoehorn our way in.
However, this opens up a can of worms that I would rather have kept shut. Bricking consoles have moved from the hacking scene to the mainstream (Xbox 360). We have companies that are well known for trying to maintain control over their products, that they'll stoop to the lowest of low (Sony). And we live in a society where entities like the RIAA and MPAA are all too eager to send out updates to our equipment THAT WE PAID FOR to prevent our playing of certain "protected" media.
So far, the console companies haven't really abused their ability to update their consoles, but with very little oversight, that possibility certainly exists. Nintendo may not ever abuse their updates by locking out certain features, games, or whatever. But should we simply turn a blind eye to the updates and trust Nintendo (and by extension Sony and Microsoft) with updates that we have no idea what they do? If the big three trust us enough to tell us exactly what each patch or update, then I trust the companies to follow through and not try to bend me over. - johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8JamesWilson: That worked great for MIcrosoft, too - $4 billion in the hole later, but hey, Xbox Media Center is cool!
- Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Again, that's stupid... the guy only wants to know what has been updated on its Wii, not what's going to happen next...
I also work in a software company and I don't think customers would like me to force them to upgrade their software without me telling them the reason behind it. It's way fishy, but I guess it's okay because it's Nintendo. - Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4http://www.us.playstation.com/psp/downloads/systemupdate/history.html
I don't see any problem with a list like that. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd like to know as well, but I'm really not as concerned about secretive updates on my game console (or TiVo, TV, refrigerator, etc ;) ) as I am about them on my computer.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5it does concern me superfly, as the Wii which is constantly connected to the internet is my property, and I want to know what's done to it when i hit that update button. What if it were the same situation with Microsoft updating servers and refusing to tell people what they were doing with their updates. I love the Wii, but geez, even sony will go as far as to say "security updates" when they try to quash homebrew with every PSP update.
- d1rtfarm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Mama always said, 'life is like a Wii update, you never know what you're gonna get'"
On a serious note, I have mixed feelings. I kinda like knowing what i'm installing, even if it's just simple description. That's why I disable auto-updates on all my PC software. There's always the chance that a newly issued patch/update can FUBAR or brick a system. On the other hand, Nintendo is careful with releases (to a fault sometimes; remember how quickly they came out with online features?). I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason to feel otherwise. - craterburnsu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The only ones attacking SONY over the PSP updates are those who want to keep playing homebrew and/or pirated games. I know several people who update their PSP every time a new firmware comes out, and right now a few of them are enjoying playing PS1 games on their PSP downloaded through their PS3.
- OpCzar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"have faith in the Wii"
As long as you're not blocked from online play, then I guess this practice is okay. I guess we'll know sometime next year... - jshusta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2“Never retract, never explain, never apologize; get things done and let them howl.”
-- nellie mcclung - lbeaty1981, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Since the Wii downloads updates automatically, you don't have to 'know why you're updating' because Nintendo takes the 'convincing you it's a good idea to update' step out of the process."
There's an option to disable WiiConnect24 in the system options. If a user wants, he/she doesn't have to install any updates at all. - databyss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I wasn't looking to get the information to blog it... I was looking to get the information to see what was going on. You'll notice I don't really blog much. I requested it after word got out that the patches were killing some of the systems.
I figured they had it somewhere on their site, that's all I was looking for. - MartyMcFly713, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2who really cares?
- worbd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ha, even I got your joke, and I'm usually slow!
- JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The Wii is not being sold at a loss though.
- isthisnametaken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Well, World of Warcraft tells users what was available in the patch once it comes out, Nintendo doesn't.
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I'm sure we'll be singing a different tune 5-6 years down the line after Nintendo launches Nintendo Genuine Advantage, right?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Seal_of_Quality
Similar concept, but in reverse, and not technologically enforced, but rather by threatening retailers who sell "unapproved" games. Similar effect though, limit customer choice and consolidate control. - muikano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's a console. Connected through a network. For a rootkit or virus to propagate from Nintendo to your router, then to your PC requires serious military grade magick.
- databyss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks, corrections made.
I was just going for the general concept. - databyss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Had I not been playing zelda last night I probably wouldn't have gotten that :)
Awesome. - Sengara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, WoW does not tell you every patch change in the least. Go to the forums, there are a ton of hidden changes that they feel the users don't need to know. A Blue post from last week was defending the Dev's rights to not tell you everything they change
- loof, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I like to know what the changes for curiosity's sake but I don't really need to know. As long as things don't break I'll be happy.
- dudad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They might publish it if it's noteworthy enough. But just think about what changes have occurred so far.
Update 1: Fixed method for redirecting Shop Channel.
Update 2: Added Weather channel.
Maybe there's more to it. Maybe there isn't. Not much of it matters yet. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Lamtd,
I've been pretty well informed now of the "what's new" for the Wii console.
Last night I get home and the Weather Channel was no longer grey, but a big blue blazing sky with a sun in it. That's a pretty big "what's new" to me. - danc4498, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@OpCzar
Sorry for the negative diggs, I thought it was clever! - lazerf4rt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Holy bunch of idiots. If you don't want your Wii connected to the Internet, don't ***** connect it to the Internet. End of story.
- Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3What does this have to do with hacking ?
Maybe software publishers should all remove these dangerous "what's new" lists, you never know what those devilish hacker could use them for! - DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes, but WoW is software and those changes directly affect your interaction and over all experience with the product. When Nintendo changes something that you need to know about to better utilize your console, they tell you. When they're changing things outside of the UI layer, you couldn't do anything about it anyway, so why should you care?
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