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- debian_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"Nintendo has lost an incredible amount of ground in the videogame market since 1995. [Play...Station? What's that?]"
Yes.
"Nintendo is starting to slip in portable competition with the PSP."
No.
"Yes. It is competition."
Just like the gamegear and n-gage (debateable).
"Why do you think there's so many damn incarnations of the GBA???"
Becuase they make boat loads of money, can continue to draw huge sources of revenue from one of their most profitable ventures, and keep a long lasting platform upon which awsome games can be continue to be made for.
"Come on...they're milking it to *DEATH*..."
Well, a bit. The clamshell was a good upgrade from the orig. GBA which was large and oddly shaped. The micro is aiming for the small mp3 player loving crowd (kinda). With the inclsion of GBA support on the DS, I would think the Micro is the final stage before a new Gameboy platform is formed (Remember, the DS is not a version of the Gameboy. It has been stated that it is meant to be it's own platform seperate from the GBA).
"New brighter screen! Smaller size!"
Both of which features made the GBA SP (and then micro) a helluva lot more appealing in my opinion.
"Nintendo's next system will be lucky to survive at this rate."
Hardly. I haven't seen as much interest in the Revolution, since, I can't even remember. Even trimming the hype, there's still a hell of alot of people who are eagerly anticipating it to finally get a taste of a fresh style of gameplay.
When the remote was announced, I expected deafening laughter from accross the internet to drown out a handful of basement nintendo fanboys who were excited. Instead I was greeted to a large segment of the gaming populous who are waking up from GTA and Halo induced comas, looking for something new from the next gen of consols. Will the controller do it for them? For some it might, others it won't. Whats important is that Nintendo is trying. A solid upgrade from Gamecube Graphics, some fresh new interactivity paradigms (excuse buzzword alert) and finally an honest venture into online gaming make the Revolution to me, a great choice for the next gen.
"Any one of the bigger systems *CAN* release a new controller to *COMPETE* with Nintendo!"
Sony or MS could release a gyroscopic controller that whitens your teeth and wipes your butt. It's about how it's used. Look at the eyetoy. Big thumbs up to the Sony camp for such a great way to play games, the problem is not enough games were made to take advantage, sorta like the DK Bongos for Gamecube (of which I happen to own a pair). Nintendo can eally make the remote work if they want to, because some of the best titles for Nintendo consoles have been the first party games. Mario, Zelda, etc. Nintendo made great games with these titles in the past, I can only smile widely at the thought of what they will be able to bring the public with this new control system. They arent as tethered to traditional or previous games to define the titles, so it gives them more freedom as to how to mold the clay.
"They're not hiding the way to build an atomic bomb people!"
Indeed.
"Remember when Nintendo in the NES days actually had a vast library of games?"
The good ol days.
"Look at the Gamecube."
It's good looking with a nice form factor.
"It's very uncommon to have a game on the Cube, PS2 and X-Box. Most of the time it's just on the PS2/Xbox."
Which is a same, considering some games look even better on the Cube then they do PS2 (*puts on kevlar*). Even without massive 3rd party support (which I do however agree Nintendo needs to work on getting back) there are still a great selection of games for the Cube. I'd say the Cube has a better to signal to noise ratio as far as quality of games compared to PS2/Xbox, it's just there's so many more for the PS2/Xbox that it seems like there's no incentive for a Gamecube. Sure there are tons for PS2/Xbox, just a large percentage happens to be crap. I'll take quality over quantity. Who the hell even plays 400 games (and lives a normal life).
"Nintendo is desperate."
Hardly. Nintendo has been content to sit back and do it's thing for quite some time. And while others will say it has been a complete failure, I'd have to disagree. Less units shipped? Sure. Less games available? Mmhmm. But Nintendo isn't the one desperatly whiffing consoles at the public, selling the hardware at a lose. And Nintendo is a sure fie bet if your looking for a good social gaming experience (mario party and other group games far outway listening to some 14 year old white kid use the word n*gger on Xbox Live like it's going out of style).
"They will tell you their system can make cheese if it will make you buy it."
They have hardly been the camp to make ridiculous claims to move hardware. Look at Sony, king of blowing hot air up our rear ends. Toy Story 2 graphics, unbelieveable PS3 graphics via Killzone (Oh, prerendered you say? Guess they weren't too eager to mention that). Atleast MS and Sony are getting the right idea and marketing the next gen systems as media hub type appliances rather than soley game consoles. They can have their HD support, their multiple data streams, movie/music/bj services. Whatever. For a wide number of people, they'll let their computer handle some stuff, their Tivo or homebrew MythTV handle other stuff, and leave the console for gameing. Others might prefer an all in one, and thats fine. Me? I'd like to turn on my console and run around jumping on goombas, slashing moblins, or blasting spacepirates. - kirk06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5...hit submit too quickly, as I forgot to mention:
It's not about graphics anymore, folks! With as powerful of systems all three consoles are to be, we should be more focused on the quality of games, the ease of creating games for the systems, and the online services, to name a few things. Graphics are at the bottom of the barrel of things to look at when purchasing consoles these days. - BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Danmanx, the DS is outselling the PSP approxiametly 6:1. Nintendo, with those figures, is most definitely not losing much marketshare to the PSP. It is competition, but the PSP carries little threat to Nintendo.
I will submit, that Nintendo has been milking the GBA system with their recently released third iteration of their handheld. While it has no significant improvements over the GBA:SP, for a new buyer, it is an impressive handheld. It's similar to an iPod: If you have a 3rd Gen iPod and you're considering a fourth (well, this analogy has expired), then the $300 for the fourth gen isn't exactly warranted. But a new customer, interested in fourth gen iPods, will think that it is a good deal.
...It's amazing how almost any conversation can go to iPods/Apple so fast, that if you blink, you'll miss it. >_>
Anyways, who rated my first comment -1? It wasn't Off Topic. >_> - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree with debian. SONY are the ones who actually make the most outrageous claims. Kutaragi would suck all of you off if it meant a new PS3 owner.
- nugget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, Nicely put debian. I agree with you 100%. I have a PC that does music, videos, and TV. I don't want another thing to do that. I want something to play the games I want to play. And the GC and game boy did that for me. I played many games on both systems. Xbox/PS2 don't really do it for me. Sure halo is fun when its just you and your friends, but I was in my friends dorm room the other day playing halo and a team mate turned around and dropped a grenade at my feet. What did I do? Left, I didn't want to play with some stupid college guy that was pissed off that he didn't get on the best team or what ever. I just wanted to have fun with my friends and it was ruined.
I turn on the GC and play with my friends in just that room where no one we don't want can join in and screw it up and we have a blast. Ya so what GC does not have "almighty" Halo like everyone puts it to be, but its got a FPS that I like XIII and I think that was a very decent FPS, that had a very good story line and we get the same thing out of it as we did halo. Plus lately I have not seen any good multilayer games on Xbox or PS2. On the GC we play double dash, melee, Mario baseball, Zelda four swords, XIII, and the Mario party games. Sure they are mostly Mario games but that's what I like because they are fun and know how to keep a game going for hours. Tell me when was the last time you had friends over from Friday night to 7/8 Saturday morning playing games like that and having fun? When was the last time you got killed by some snot nosed brat that does not know how to act somewhat like an adult in a game on line, especially on your team? - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, obviously Nintendo would SAY that it's equivalent. Would they really claim inferiority, if it means loss of marketshare?
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It is true absolute power doesn't mean everything in terms of graphics. The Xbox was more powerful than the GC yet Metroid Prime has superior graphics to any Xbox game. It's about how you use what you're given and a good eye for detail. Although I am a huge Halo fan, I have to give kudos to the geniuses who made Metroid, it is gorgeous. I can't wait to see what those guys do with Metroid Prime 3 as a Revolution launch title, especially if it can achieve graphics like the PS3's that we've seen in their many prerendered demos. Just imagine Samus battling a metroid with those graphics and using that bad ass controller as the gun arm. I'm drooling with anticipation.
- doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nope i was wrong, he said the same thing, when you hook them up to a regular tv you wouldn't be able to tell the differenve
- zediker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With the revolution suposedly having the first PPU (physics processing unit), all the advantage that the 360 or PS3 has would be met, or exceeded. I've seen a PPU in action, it is amazing how much it improves performance. Without a PPU, a full on physics demo ran at a sickening slideshow rate (5fps), with a PPU, a full on physics demo ran at a smooth 60+fps. I saw the following in the demo: very good collision detection, model deformation, full-on liquid simulation (I.E. liquids behaving exactly like liquids would), excellent kinetics, and full-on destructible models.
Just because tje revolution not a multi-processor system with a couple giga-flops of processing power doesnt make it inferior. With the amount of processing the PPU can take off of the hands of the CPU and GPU, the revolution would be on fair ground with the 360 and PS3.
but, if they dont include a PPU in the revoltion, sure, it may have a similarly powerful GPU, but I dont think they can get it to perform as well overall. - icespide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i'll believe it when I see it
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The article says a "difference will not exist". Sounds about right. Regardless of absolute specs, the PS3 and XB360 should be about the same in noticable graphics performance. It's nice to know the rev is up there too. Although I expect the DX9 platform of the xBox will realistically mean better game development graphics-wise, the Revolution does have game developers very enthusiastic.
- b-dizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1First off, Nintendo is definitely not lagging behind. In fact, they were the only ones of the big 3 who made any money last gen (off console sales).
At first, when Miyamoto was talking about how graphics are going to be fairly obsolete, I didn't really have faith. I mean, yes gameplay is king, but still, I figured you would definitely be able to tell the difference between the next generation systems graphic wise. Then I played an Xbox 360 at walmart, and I was not impressed, at least graphically. Don't get me wrong; I think 360s going to be the best conventional console next gen. But while Call of Duty 2 looked good on it, it didn't look like a quantum leap to me. Its getting to the point digital photography reached recently: where these cameras have 9 megapixels, but no ordinary human can tell the difference between 9 and 8 unless its blown waaaaaaaay up; I think its going to be the same way for games eventually, where you can't humanly perceive that much of a difference, unless your playing a game in a movie theater. - kirk06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Okay, third time trying this...Maybe I'd stop closing the wrong tabs. I was trying to post this before you freaked out on me. :D
KidVicious: I'm going to straight up apologize to you. I had you mistaken for someone else who had been trolling some of the gaming stories on here, as well as on another site. I was mistaken, and do apologize.
(By the way...during my 'investigation' as to who the troll was, I stumbled upon your website. Good band...like the sound) - Nibi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nintendo is breaking out the ninjitsu with the revo. Stealthy and deceptive for sure.
- braden.beer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think what Nintendo is trying to get across is the point that it doesn't matter what the Specs are, because that just gets fanboys arguing over which is better before they've even played it... They're simply stating that there won't be a noticeable difference in visuals. PS2 owners still argue with XBox owners about graphics, even though the PS2 is by far inferior graphic-wise. But the point that I'm trying to make is, how has the superior visuals of the XBox hindered the PS2 sales? Seriously?
It's all about the games, the graphics capabilities are nice to have, but to the extent that these next generation consoles are going? I don't think so. I'd rather pay $200 (or less) for a Rev then an XBox or PS3 for $400+. - adminmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1just becuase the PS3 is coming out later doesn't mean they are spending the time making a better system...
btw... he didn't call you a troll, troll is a verb.. - zediker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0errr, sorry not gigaflops, teraflops... my bad =)
- CaptSnuffy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0no one knows what the graphics will be like compared to the others
and if the revolutions controller turns out well, the PS3 and 360 wont be able to compete anyway. - HELLRaZerX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i'm an xbox 360 fanboy, and tried out the 360 at IGN LIVE. I wasn't impressed, felt like a minor upgrade...looking forward to the nintendo revolution
- kirk06, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4KidVicious, are you going to troll every thread, boasting about a console's graphics that hasn't even been released?
Your petty fanboyism is simply stunning. Grow up. - vermin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0jimmym has a good point, if you can't run the game in high res.. that counts in my book as lack of graphics power. Either way i can't wait to try the revolution and to see some games finally.
- danmanx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"after this generation.. graphics are no longer what makes a game... it's sad to see that with the hardware we have today, perfect audio can be achieved... yet nobody cares much for audio"
Dude, most of the population can't tell the difference between 96kbps/128kbps/160kbps MP3 streams. Audio quality, I believe, is excellent and improving nicely. IE, 5.1 sound. You just need a decent receiver and speakers. - jimmyM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i thought i read that the revolution would not be hi def. if it isnt, and the others are, then wouldnt it be less impressive graphically? or maybe it is HD. i dunno. wish i did.
- doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0funny cause i thought Satoru Iwata himself said the revolution wouldnt be as powerful as the 360 or PS3, but that it isnt about the graphics, but the games...
- Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0they have already said the graphics would be on par with the 360 and ps3 on a STANDARD DEF tv, key words here...SD
360 and PS3 have all the extra power to push 720p and above...the rev will top out at 480p, which means it won't need that extra horsepower - neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0after this generation.. graphics are no longer what makes a game... it's sad to see that with the hardware we have today, perfect audio can be achieved... yet nobody cares much for audio.
- kirk06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Awesome. Let me know how that goes. I'm getting off topic here, but feel free to contact me on AIM sometime, screen name's Reclaimer2006
- ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am thinking Jim was stating that developers will need some time until they can exploit the Xbox and PS graphics to a good level. Until that is done, maybe two years after the relase, the Revolution should be equal to those consoles.
Go to 1up.com, and see some of the comments whenever a Revolution story is posted. Some ask to see the graphics. Those are M$ and Sony fanboys wanting to see images to say "Bah, my console has better graphics... nuff said". How much real graphics can go? What would you do once you hit that limit? The new PS3 may get up to 120fps. Most TVs can't handle that still. After the 500,000th polygon in a nose, you can't distinguish whether they are 1m or 50m.
By the way, PS3 is able to run in several TVs at the same time. That sounds like a Nintendo DS, don't you think? - mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ok first of all everyone knows that Nintendo said the Revolution won't support HD graphics... it probably will support a 480p for DVDs...
I think maybe he's trying to make the point that since it won't be in HD quality, the processing overhead won't be there which will enhance your average non-HD game (lower resolutions)... So that frees up a lot of potential power that could be freed up and used for other things.
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000940046619/ - KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That's totally fine, dude, no worries. I'm thankful for the apology. Thanks alot for the comment on my band, too! I'm kind of embarrassed of the less-than-high-quality recordings we have up. We are currently in the studio, recording an EP. lol, maybe I'll post a story on Digg when it's available for download...
- BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4The PS3's GPU is neck and neck with the Xbox 360 GPU. Get your facts straight, please. Anyways, it is nearly impossible to fit an equivocally powered GPU in that tiny little box without proper cooling systems. Either you'll get second degree burns on contact, or the GPU won't be as powerful. Seeing as Nintendo doesn't want to doll out millions of dollars in burn settlements, the latter seems much more likely.
- KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey, I just looked at a picture of the PS3 hardware. Did anyone else notice that they used the the Spider-Man 2 movie title's font for "PlayStation 3?"
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1BBX25, much of the GPU's processing is being offloaded to the Physics Processing Unit, and there are a few other smart little dodges they use as well. (Typical nintendo stuff)
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0I think the PPU is an intelligent engineering aproach. Three specialized CPUs is better than two overheated CPUs.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nintendo is also opening up their libraries of old games - which i know - if anyoen here grew up a gamer - they have fallen in LVOE with all the old nintendo games.
The about 1 billion games that were churned out for plasystation 1 were all ok, but very few had any replay value - the ideas where there but the time and development that were put into games like Goldeneye and Zelda: Ocarina of TIme are the kinda games i still like to play.
This is a market NO otehr consol can have - the POST-game market
And if Xbox and PS3 people still think that the next generation games are about GRAPHICS...
Then it will stay this way. - DeadlyCouncil, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It is true absolute power doesn't mean everything in terms of graphics. The Xbox was more powerful than the GC yet Metroid Prime has superior graphics to any Xbox game"
I think you need to look past the bloom effect to see the low-resolution textures... :P - BloodyRids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Original article from joystiq.
http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000320065895/ - eliomar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0debian, you said it. I love ninty and how the comapny works. I also play PS2 games. X-box just wasn't for me. I guess graphics are not the key for "nex-gen" systems.
"your hope ends here, and your meaningless existence with it"
-seymore guado - anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0"It's not about graphics anymore, folks! With as powerful of systems all three consoles are to be, we should be more focused on the quality of games, the ease of creating games for the systems, and the online services, to name a few things. Graphics are at the bottom of the barrel of things to look at when purchasing consoles these days."
And finally how pleasing it's to play the game. - GuyNextDoor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is dumb...Nintendo already said that they didn't plan on supporting HD resolutions, why would they bother putting all that graphical horsepower in there if they had no plans to display the higher resolutions? Unless they pulled a switcheroo on their HD stance, it won't be in the same league in terms of graphics as the 360/PS3/or DesktopPC equivs.
Second, they plan on making a very small unit, roughly the size of a small external DVD-ROM drive. We are still several (probably 5-10) years away from being able to cram all that power in to an enclosure as purportedly small as the Rev console is going to be. There are big big problems with heat management in big ol desktop PCs, much less something as small as the rev claims it will be.
Third, they want this console to be cheap - if the 360 is going to lose money for MS @ $400 bucks a pop, then the Rev would even more so having equivalent hardware costs (they will have an IBM PPC chip in there as well as ATI graphics) when they want to charge maybe 200-250 for their next console!
Maybe the Big N has made advancements in quantum computing, and has learned how to create super efficient nano processors at extremely low fabrication costs. Although, I'm thinking that's a big NO. I'm not knocking the the Big N, they could very well have a successful console on their hands, but lets quit being stupid here. - Sturmur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Now that was a Super Comment©
- tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Personally, I hope that the Revolution's graphics are only slightly better then the Gamecube's.
Why?
Imagine how damn awesome this system would be if they were to sell it at the GC's current price of $99... - fx101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Did you guys think nintendo was going to actually release an inferior console? Although nintendo focuses usually on the games more than the hardware, but this might be interesting. Thumbs down to nintendo on the proposed revolutions controler.
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am really looking forward to the revolution. I can't wait to get my hands on some of the older games, and try out some of the fun and innovative new ones. I really like the direction Nintendo is going in. I'm quite disappointed with Sony and Microsoft.
- jrclements, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0now i don't hablo the espanol. but from what babelfish tells me, the only mention of the graphics being equal to the xbox360 & ps3 was in a question by the interviewer (on the third page) regarding why no screenshots were shown at the tokyo game show. to which mr. merrick replies that it didn't have to do so much w/ the graphics being inferior, but that miyamoto doesn't like to show incomplete games.
that said, i tend to agree that the revolution will most likely not look as good as the other two consoles. but to be fair, the other two consoles probably won't look as good microsoft and sony have said they will...
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2005-09-12 - suMMx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i dont think it will be that close. The gamecube for example was never really about jaw dropping graphics, it was just about having fun. Im sure nintendo will have the same success in the revolution
- kydd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0thats not to hard to believe, since the Revolution wont be needing all the extra power to have a media center. Cant wiat for rev, It has my buy for sure, as for 360 or Ps3, im not very interested.
- jimmyM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i usually dont care about graphics relative to gameplay. but since i got an hdtv i am spoiled and i dont want to look at anything that isnt hd. the lack of hd support for the revolution might be a dealbreaker for me, and i love nintendo. make it hd nintendo!
- antisthenex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The capability of Revolution isn't as high as 360 and PS3, but developers probably won't use 360 and PS3 to their full potential, because it would cost way too much.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why is it that anytime i here BAD news about DRM - it has to do with sony"
Probably because Sony is the head member of both the RIAA and the MPAA.
I love it when Sony fanboys complain about the RIAA/MPAA but will defend Sony to the death if a bad thing is said about them. -
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