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- nmaster64, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40I think your downplaying just how important stories like this are. Yeah, WE (Wii?) know this, but WE are geeks/nerds/gamers/etc. We are in the know. But even now the vast majority of people, including potential and definite consumers, are completely unaware of what's going on right now in the gaming industry, especially in regards to the PS3 and super-especially the Wii.
Stories like these that hit popular sources like Newsweek are really more important for Nintendo than your standard online gaming article on say IGN. This goes double in the Wii's case because of it's attempt to capture the market outside your typical gamer. This kind of exposure is essential for Nintendo in their marketing of the Wii if they truly want to reach out and grab non-gamers, because right now the general populas has no freakin' clue what Nintendo's doing.
I hope to see a lot more informed popular articles for the Wii that help to better spread the word. Although, what Nintendo's marketing REALLY needs is visual demonstrations (like TV stuff) and actual demo stations put in places where non-gamers will actually play them. - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32Like we didn't already know this, but its always nice for the mainstream press to try and stereotype the gaming industry.
- Denver80203, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Old news? May 29, 2006 issue is the first line.
Sure E3 was soooooo last week but ain't it funny what wee consider old these days? - raindog469, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Hey, I don't work for Newsweek (or any site that runs any ads at all). However, I do attach more importance to a story in Newsweek than, say, revolution.ign.com or n-sider.com, so here's the digg.
- AwesomeMonster, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Comeback? As far as I'm concerned Nintendo was always at the pinnacle of gaming.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15We're gonna party like it's 1985! Woohoo!
- Paroparo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Good to see this is reaching the non-gaming geek news. ^^
- n3rrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9For the record, I have a good number of friends with the PSP and very few are happy with their purchase decision. All of these people own PS2s and PS1s, and are avid gamers. It's not that the style of the games don't suit them, it's the way the games are pulled off on the system.
The PSP is a crippled PS2, with subpar controls. Developers see the power it has and try to make software similar to the titles on the home console. The PSP just isn't built to handle the software that's being made for it. Socom is a joke due to the controls, GTA:LCS is coming to the PS2, and most everything else is just a watered down port of their console versions.
What the PSP is really lacking is games made specifically for the platform. The developers need to keep the system and it's intended use in mind before deciding to try and milk the userbase of cash for rehashed old titles. Sure, the touch screen on the DS isn't necessary and alot of the games could be done without it. The games are entertaining though, and the games that use the screen properly do a really great job with it. Games that don't need it (aside from the gimmicky launch titles) have avoided using the touch feature, such as Sonic, but uses the second screen that makes the mind numbing speed even more intense. It's all about using the features available to you in appropriate doses.
That said, if I owned a PSP, I would be ecstatic to own games like Lumines, Loco Roco, EX!T and their Bust-a-Move port. Get an original MegaMan on there. I'm always down for one of those.
As it is, Nintendo is beating the PSP around in their home country without any signs of relenting. The installed user base there is ridiculous. Nintendo is doing everything right with the DS now that the gimmicky launch is behind them, and they aren't showing any signs of slowing down. They have learned from the GameCube and N64, and are spacing their AAA titles accordingly while trying to provide budget experiences inbetween.
Hell, they even have their designs in the right place now. - terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Yeah EXACTLY. Like how the DS is extremely underpowered compared to the PSP, and that's why it's only... outselling it like crazy... worldwide. *cough*
Sorry man, but people are willing to ignore graphics if you can offer them superior gameplay. That, and charging less than half doesn't hurt, either. - iluvatar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Read the article. Then post.
- rushiku, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Nice listing of games, but it's not a game player, it's a media device...whars the media? (to answer my own question: getting pulled off the shelves due to lack of interest)
You forgot to mention the propreitary video format that requires you to buy movies, again, just to watch them on a teeny-tiny screen. Doesn't it play music too? Is that on the same media as the movies? Oh, and let's not forget the ridiculous price.
It's crap, it's junk. The only reason people bought it is because they have playstations and it says 'Sony' on it. I'll bet they're pissed. - jamesey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+81. How can Newsweek claim a comeback has been made when the consoles haven't even been released yet?
2. Was Nintendo ever at a point where they needed to make a comeback? Sure they were in 3rd place in the console race during recent years but they were more profitable than ever during that time. - EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Distant second to Sony in Japan?"
Yes, in CONSOLES, which is clearly stated .
They talk about the DS on page 2 which you clearly did not read:
"Thanks to these hits in Japan, the DS outstripped the PSP two to one in sales. In 2004, sales of titles for Sony platforms (PS1, PS2 and PSP) accounted for 53 percent of all games sold; by 2005, Nintendo platforms (GameCube, Game Boy and DS) had taken the lead, with 54 percent of all games sold, the majority of which was chalked up by the DS." - o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Nintendo is a vaporware product"
You must be using some meaning of the term "vaporware" I'm not familiar with. An recently announced, but not yet unreleased product is not the same as something that's been in development hell for a decade (e.g. Duke Nuk'em Forever). - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13No, in terms of profit, Nintendo is the only one actually making money selling video game systems.
- ScottPictures, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7They talk about Market Share, but I wonder which console of the current 5 (XBOX, PS2, GAMECUBE, DS, PSP) is the most profitable. I believe that true success = profit.
- wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Comeback? I didn't think they went anywhere. Yes, the market share decreased, but they still did fairly well and (most importantly) made money on their console hardware as well as the software. Since Sony has basically blew it with the PSP, and Nintendo has done some great things with the DS, Nintendo basically continues to own the handheld market, a position they have had since the first GameBoy came out.
One thing, though. The jury is still out (in my book) on the Wii. Yea, it looks fun. But I'm not sure if the controller is revolutionary, or just a gimmick. However, I don't expect Nintendo to go anywhere anytime soon.
Besides, with the DS lite just coming to the US (it will sell out) and first party software, expect Nintendo to continue to be profitable. - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Anyone else find it interesting that MSNBC (MicroSoft NBC) is posting this story??
- JohnnySailor, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Resurgence? One of these days the general media is going to discover that Nintendo makes the Game Boy and DS console lines, and be completely shocked at those numbers.
- rushiku, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7me: “nice listing of games, but it's not a game player, it's a media device...whars the media? (to answer my own question: getting pulled off the shelves due to lack of interest)”
you: uh, no. It’s a multimedia device.
me: that's such a stupid comment. Up next: we disagree about how rabbits are different from bunnies.
me: ”You forgot to mention the propreitary video format that requires you to buy movies”
you: Yea, that’s why most people play movies from the memory stick instead of the UMD.
me: If you won't buy the media, why get the player?
me: “just to watch them on a teeny-tiny screen”
you: are you comparing it to a plasma or a DS?
me: whatever the price equivelant in an actually viewable TV would be. Personal video is lame, it has been since the first Watchman, and continues to be through today's iPod, PSP and Creative video lamers.
me: “It's crap, it's junk. The only reason people bought it is because they have playstations and it says 'Sony' on it.”
you: I think the only reason you said that is because it says ‘Sony’ on it.
me: good guess, but wrong. I'm disappointed with Sony these days, but still, for some odd reason, a fan. I'm hoping the best for them come this xmas season (but I'm not holding my breath either).
I'm one of those fickle adult gamers that would rather play good games than buy and/or support a brand just because it is that brand. - jaguar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There's a reason for resentment against Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft is a monopoly. Sony has repeatedly shown that they do not care for their customers. Just because you do not like one or the other does not classify yourself as a fanboy. There are those wishing for Nintendo to succeed because they make great games. Personally, while I agree with that, I would like choice in purchasing a product. I think I will sit out the launch of the next two, take a step back, and see which of the three consoles I should get. And Nintendo is shooting to make everybody a gamer, so why would they target the losers? I think you have some issues if you call all Nintendo fans losers.
- lofiboy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Distant second to Sony in Japan?
Excuse me, but I think a certain DS is totally whipping anything Sony can put out. - etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@TheG2
How is this "stereotypiing"? Newsweek is just reporting to the masses a story that we've been talking about here on Digg since E3`06 started. Not everyone reads Digg, you know. - picaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm so not a gamer...I'm not lying when I say that the last game console I owned was Pong in 1970-something. And I may have put a quarter into a Pac Man machine at some point after that. But after reading this article and the one in Time, I'm actually thinking about buying one.
And if I'm interested, then the Nintendo people are really doing something right. - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think this is very important article. My parents are somewhat familar with games through my brother and I, but are mostly clueless unless we talk to them about a specific game. Last week my dad came up to me out of the blue and was talking about the Wii, because he seen E3 on the nightly news and he thought it was a pretty cool idea. This is exactly what Nintendo wants to do with their "product displacement" theory, and I for one am extremely excited, and I think a lot of gamers and non gamers are excited also.
- Konklone, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I agree that Digg is biased towards Nintendo, but I don't understand why you're labeling Nintendo as "vaporware". They just had the strongest working demo at E3, with 27 playable titles and only minor complaints if at all about the usability of their system. They're doing great. They have as much chance to dethrone the market leader as Sony did to Nintendo 10 years ago. All it takes is one mistake. Nintendo ***** up by choosing cartridges. Now Sony is ***** up by choosing to use its most successful line of products to push their semi-related next-gen DVD format, and for that they will pay, and dearly.
- terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Anyone who would skip the Wii based purely on its graphical power would never buy a Nintendo product anyway. They'd find very little to appreciate in any of its software.
The low price + innovative control + fun games strategy worked extremely well for the DS. The Wii is offering the exact same thing.
Look at what the 360 and the PS3 are offering the casual gamer. Viva Pinata? Table Tennis? They don't stand a chance in that market. Let Sony and Microsoft fight over the hardcore fans. - jaguar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just love this quote from the article: "If the console war is indeed hell, Nintendo, it seems, would rather give peace a chance." I think it sums up this debate pretty well.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"RFTM = Read the F******* Manual"
...and you think the guy ABOVE you has trouble with acronyms? - vtwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3MeridianBlade, we don't care about you, you are a spammer...
- StevethePirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ peruytu
Thats like saying, gosh! if it wasnt for those darn sony customers, they wouldn't even be around now!
That's how buisness works. You make something, someone else buys it. No ***** they wouldnt be around... - balls187, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nintendo Stock is only traded on the Osaka and Tokyo exchanges, so you need to go through a brokerage firm with that can get sell you ADRs.
http://search.morningstar.com/Glossary/glossary_A_B.html
1. Open an account with a brokerage firm.
2. Buy Nintendo Stock.
3. Profit - Mullinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You are absolutely right, Nintendo did not lose Rare. People seem to keep forgetting that Nintendo actually made the concious decision to acually let them go. They didn't want Rare as a second party developer anymore.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Let's face it, Nintendo came out at E3 and viciously stabbed Sony and MS in the ankles. They generated a staggeringly immense amount of hype over the last year, and detonated it with the steady stream of bombs they dropped at E3. No one else had that amount of momentum coming out of the show; not even close.
And the way things are shaping up they'll carry that momentum into the Christmas season and that will equate to greater sales of their Wii platform. All they have to do now is make sure the launch titles are there and not blow it on the pricing. - Noloco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think it's funny how when I am at work and the news reports on stories that I already read at Digg or online at Fark or some where..Lol
- JoeCool1986, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think it's funny that even analysts are using the term "fan boy" now.
- MasterDwarf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good for Nintendo! Sony doesnt deserve customers, but the same people that bitched about their (sony's) root kit fiasco, and their president being an idiot, will still overlook a quality console like the wii to have a frackin PS3. wtf?
- FreakyT, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@terminalpariah
That's true, but I also think MoeB does raise a valid point. While gameplay certainly IS important, the Wii is, arguably, underpowered, which I think will cause it to lose some potential buyers. Now, granted, I realize that graphics horsepower aren't what Nintendo is aiming for, but I, personally think that they should have made the graphics at least *noticeably* better than the current generation. - matrox212, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't they first have to sell a console first to make a comeback?
- natefisher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You do make a good point but I disagree you on part of what you say. First I think Nintendo (so far) made a great choice in losing RARE considering the 2 awful games they have put out for my 360. Now that could change but coming from a former RARE fanboy they are not the same company anymore. Last I think this deserved to be posted on here since it is coming from Newsweek. You would have every right to say 'fanboy guesswork' if it was from the 100s of fanboy gaming sites but I do not consider Newsweek to be part of that.
- GolfDude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2did nintendo really lose rare? i mean rare is making games for the ds, and ms has no problem with them doing so... it not like they use some of rare's properties that nintendo had,,
- cybershoplifter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 PSP was not an iPod killer and it should have been. To start it looks like and old Lieca camera, features have failed like UMD movies and everyone thinks Memory Sticks are way overpriced. You should be able to download latest game titles vs. UMD. Also, why can't I put 30 gigs of music and video on it? That's some of PSPs problems. PSP will be a blip on the radar of handheld gaming devices. I think they know they have to replace it ASAP or give up. We are watching the fall of a giant because they have a habit of ignoring new or proven technologies.
- TrainwreckX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6RTFM, they totally talk about the DS and GBA holding the company up.
As far as mainstream media goes, this article was spot-on, and it was very good. Sure, it is old-news, but I learned a couple things in there.
For instance, they talk about why the Wii version of Zelda won't offer swinging of the sword in a gesture, and it makes perfect sense. - Spastastic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2kind odd to talk about a comeback right now when the thing hasn't come out. Though I have great expectations for nintendo, aren't people being a little too optimistic way too soon.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Losing Rare? More like selling off a dying carcass. Rare blew their wad a decade ago and hasn't done jack ***** since.
- raindog469, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I actually think you'd be hard pressed to find someone at a major non-brand-specific gaming site who'd say the PSP "owns the handheld market" or is "clearly dominating". At best (for Sony) I think they'd say something along the lines of "edging out the DS" or maybe "poised to reclaim the market from the DS" if they were really optimistic.
They were sounding a lot like that a year ago, but things are really different now. - cubed2d, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"That goes double for Nintendo, whose lower-tech consoles are currently a distant second to Sony in Japan and third to Microsoft in North America and Europe."
the gamecube is more powerful than the PS2... they dont know what there talking about - n3rrd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ever since the official PS3 price announcement, I've been confused. There are people who still believe the PS3 will succeed and come out number one, when everything in gaming history seems to disagree.
The weakest system generally prevails in any generation. The NES came out on top over the SEGA Master System and the TurboGrafx 16, even though both outclassed it graphically. The GameBoy series has forced many handhelds into extinction, and it's always been a joke technically speaking. It's not very powerful and has always boasted a sub-par screen.
The Sony PS1 wasn't as capable of 3D graphics as the N64, and the Saturn did better sprite based animation. It still came out on top. The Sony PS2 is outclassed, graphically, by the GameCube and the XBox, but totally dominated in sales.
The DS is undeinably less powerful than the PSP, has sales aproximately on par with the PSP in North America/Europe, and is destroying the PSP in Japan.
Then if you look at price tags... the 3D0 was dead on arrival. As was that NeoGeo console from around the same time. Both were unbelievably expensive. The PSP is almost twice the price of the DS... etc. etc. - UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Graphics will only take you so far, anybody who has following games for the past couple of years will tell you that.
- terminalpariah, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5There is a strange double standard in North American game journalism. Ask anyone at IGN, Gamespot, etc. who is dominating the home console market. They'll tell you, "PS2, then Xbox, then Gamecube." No duh.
Ask them about handhelds, and they'll tell you that the DS has made a good effort but the PSP is clearly dominating. It's a DISTANT third in number of units sold, it's barely making any money, and the UMD movie scene is about to topple over.
So the Gamecube's distant third (in North America) means "Nintendo is dying!" and the PSP's distant third (worldwide) means Sony owns the handheld market.
The only difference in this post-E3 environment is that it's now okay to talk about liking Nintendo in public. It's like we've all just agreed that Nintendo is cool again. -
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