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NY Times Gives PS3 Thumbs Down

nytimes.com — "Howard Stringer, you have a problem. Your company's new video game system just isn't that great." Interesting to read this type of review from the New York Times.

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  • ebs16, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com

    Username: passwordssuck
    Password: ihatepasswords
    • gronne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33The webpage didn't ask me for a password. Did it for anybody else?

      I know the RSS links will go straight to the page without a password.
    • latova, on 10/12/2007, -4/+77I think this is one of the most fair and logical comparisons I've seen on digg to date. The reasoning is specific and excellent - one of the last lines he says is: "Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.". It's very true about this graphics vs gameplay arguement, where wii takes the gameplay road and 360 takes out of both (graphically and online it is very solid).

      As gamers, I think we are all very lucky to have very specialized consoles. Last gen they were all alike almost, simple control schemes and standard gameplay. Now, gamers can now get 2 consoles and have totally different experiences.

      The only thing I'd becareful of, is in the article it says: "Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3’s deficiencies". Sony has a reputation for not being true to their word, keeping things from us, and so on. I'd still wait for the results if they actually fix these problems.
    • Nodren, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10it didnt ask for a password, but major props posting one just in case!
    • Justice101, on 10/12/2007, -33/+81. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidddddddddggggeeeeeeeeee rrrrrrrrrrraaaccccccccceeeeeeeerrrrr!!!!!!!
      2. sell PS3's
      3 ?????
      4. profit!
      =)
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3If it didn't ask you for a password that just means you already have a NYT cookie.
    • BradMW, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22I'm just happy my 8800 GTX leaves PS3 in the dust.
    • EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8"If it didn't ask you for a password that just means you already have a NYT cookie."

      Can't be that...didn't ask me for a password and I have never visited the site before. :P
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1"Can't be that...didn't ask me for a password and I have never visited the site before. :P"

      Someone has, from your current workstation.
    • EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5"Someone has, from your current workstation."

      No, I am the only one who uses this PC. Nobody else can use it(ever hear of a password?).
    • GatorLCA, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2delete
    • alx242, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@latova:
      I own a PSP so I have closely watched as the XMB has evolved over the last year and it definetly has made some important progress from no browser and not much anything to do but handling save games and playing mp3 to include more codecs for videos, to web-browser, to a flash-player (although not the latest flash 8-9 compatible, coming soon though), to rss-feeder, to region-free-music player, to handle pod-casts and the list goes on. Sony have not ignored their users in this area, they have even done polls to see what is wanted. What they however have done is constantly battling the homebrew scene with each update (nothing I appreciate) but that has always been fixed (Homebrew can be played up to firmware 2.80 and the 3.00 is the soon to be expected release which will include the famous psx-emulator).

      I'm not surprised that Sony is still playing catch up with their interface but I'm not in any doubt that everything will be fixed either, the history of the psp tells us just that.
    • zaid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reasoning behind their PSP firmware updates have been entirely about battling homebrew. Remember Firmware Version 1.51? no one upgraded from Firmware 1.5, and Sony had to entice their users to upgrade with the browser for Firmware 2.0. Unless theres a driving factor, Sony seems to be a stagnant and stubborn company.
    • MrStylz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1...
    • negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1From what I've read, this article seems to nitpick at the more minute flaws of the PS3 carefully avoiding the more important issues that a real review would address. The author doesn't even address the "main" issues PS3 currently suffering from (such as lack of games, developer support, etc.). Instead he argues about all the minutiae of the general experience, such as not being able to play while downloading, no music in games, etc. Most of these being software flaws that can be easily fixed. As I see it, the author is doing this because either: A) He doesn't see any real bugs with the PS3 (which it does have), and must therefore complain about things such as the UI, or Online Store (which has just opened and is most definitely going to see updates in the future) or B) He doesn't really know what he is talking about.

      The fact that he brags that he has played thirteen PS3 games over the week and yet doesn't comment on any of them only helps my argument. If you really look at it, this isn't a real review on the PS3 at all: it's more like a small Gaming Blog's list of "PS3's Top 10 Things That Bug Us," usually released a week or two after the "real" review. In fact, the idea that about 90% of his arguments can be fixed with a simple firmware update almost makes this entire "review" pointless. Instead of complaining about how you have to spend less then a minute to connect your PS3 controllers to the PS3 via USB (He actually complains about doing this), he should be addressing PS3's major flaws such as the instable future of Blu Ray, lack of developer support and games, etc. Seriously, I really don't care about all the things he rants about, I want to know how it plays games, how it runs them, the online aspect of them, what Blu Ray is like, the quality of the picture on Blu Ray movies, and such: not this pointless crap.
  • nklnch, on 10/12/2007, -128/+2What an emotional rant. How much can you possibly complain about the lack of HDMI cable?
    • mavranos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+88Is that all he complained about? Nope.

      He has some very valid points. The PS3 should be better than it is.
    • JayMeaux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+60you can complain quite a bit if you shell out the kind of big bucks sony is asking for...
    • Strikeael, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31And he could write a whole article on that for all I care. I'm pissed about having to buy a component cable for the Wii b/c it pushes the price to $280. And that's only to go to 480p! For them to force you to go over the $600 you've already paid for something so crucial as the difference bet 720p or 1080p and 480 is assinine. The unit costs too much to make and they've been forced to cut corners on stuff that would have only cost a little more. It doesn't upconvert standard DVDs, whereas the standalone high def DVD players have generally been the best upconverters on the market. It doesn't upconvert a 720p signals to 1080i for early HDTV adopters. So if your TV can take 1080i but not 720p, on your 360 it will run at 1080i. On your PS3 it will run at 480p. For how much they stressed high-def, they sure are sending out a mixed signal. And ***** on their customers.
    • Stonelion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40He was complaining about the lack of a component cable, not the lack of a HDMI... though I would note that BOTH of those are missing, leaving PS3 owners with simple composite cables instead.
    • SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Would you be happy buying a $600 HD console and not even being supplied the correct cables to display in HD? C'mon...
    • ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20The point in that argument is not that the HDMI wasn't bundled, but that it wasn't bundled when HD output / Bluuuu Raaaaaayyyyy has been listed by Sony as a major selling point repeatedly and used to justify the ridiculous price of the console.

      So why doesn't Sony include the cable?

      1) They want more money from you so they make you buy it seperately?

      Possible. Though they could have just included it and sold the system for $700 - all of the same fools would have still purchased it if they charged $780... admit it.... fool.

      2) They understand that only a small percentage of users will have a TV ready to use the HDMI cables?

      Probably. Why then, would Sony see Blu-Ray and HD output as such a huge selling point / justification of huge price? Becase they don't care about you, your HDTV, or your cables - they just want to win a format war. Your PS3 purchase is just a means to that end. Enjoy it ... fool.
    • nrighton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Because I can buy one for 6 dollars retail, It should have been included
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The reason it doesn't have a cable to connect to a hidef TV is because most people don't have hidef TV's.

      In other words Sony has brought out a hidef console but when it comes to selling it they think "yeah but no-one's actually going to use it with a hidef TV so why support them?"

      Pretty funny if you ask me.
    • GatorLCA, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Right, they want you to buy a Sony HDTV which displays 1080p and what!! it comes with a second HDMI cable. I wonder what that could be used for??

      /sarcasm
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@Gator

      The flaw in your remark is that 100% of people that buy a Sony Hidef TV own a Hidef TV.

      Not 100% of people who buy a PS3 own a hidef TV.

      Get it?
    • Bushikatagi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3HDMI cables are a moot point. You go out and buy any A/V Receiver and unbox that sucker. It could have 4 HDMI inputs and 2 Outputs but I can tell you right now there won't be a single HDMI cable in that box. Not to mention it's gonna set you back $1000+.

      My guess is that if Sony did include a cheap HDMI cable in the box, people would be complaining how cheap it is. It's not some money making scheme of theirs to force you to shell out more for the cable. If it was, they would have made their own proprietary HDMI cable.
    • MrStylz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.monoprice.com/

      Buy your stinkin' HDMI cables there...they are like 15 bucks and they give the test results to prove they are good at any AWG.
  • cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52sony got burned
    • deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42Indeed.

      My favorite quote:

      "Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game)."

      So much for the vaunted Cell.
    • ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14My favorite quote:

      (In reference to not being able to listen to music DURING gameplay)
      "In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time."

      And this is the most advanced console ever made?

      "It might even be smarter than you" (Sony commercial quote) .... unlikely.
    • deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Arstechnica tore PS3 a new one with respect to downloading:

      "It brings up the download screen... with a progress bar. My stomach sank; the only other option was a "Cancel" button. You've got to be kidding me; the system doesn't have background downloading? I can't watch a Blu-ray movie or play a game while it grabs my demo? Lame. I stuck it out though, and I noticed that it took way too long to finish the download.
      ...
      My problem is that the online service seems slow. When I would choose something to look at, the system would freeze for a few seconds until the page came up. I'm not sure why this is. There aren't that many PS3s out in the wild. I even checked my network to see if there was anything that could be slowing down the PS3's download. Nope, nothing coming down the pipes. It really is that slow. It took me about three hours to download an 800MB file, and that's just ridiculous. There aren't that many systems out there, so we know the pipes aren't clogged. Why is this so slow?"

      http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ps3.ars/4
  • furtwan1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+70What??? You are seriously telling me with a strait face that SONY...the best company in the world...DIDN'T deliver on the wild and outrageous claims they've been throwing around for the past year and a half?

    You mean to say that just maybe they were trying to stall customers from buying an xbox360? No, that couldn't be. THEY HAVE A CELL PROCESSOR!@!!! it's like a miracle of science or something from what Sony told me.

    Oh, and I don't believe that such a great company would omit the cables that they claim make a "true" HD experience possible...that just wouldn't make sense...

    /sarcasm
    • hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -33/+6Please. Nothing is perfect.

      1. NYtimes says "But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set."
      Yes, the non-core version comes with an HD cable. Please note that the 360 doesn't have digital out. So if your TV likes DVI, you're going to have to buy an external box.

      2. The 360 is really loud.
      3. You can't fast-forward mp3s. My 1991 walkman and my PSP (PSP=boo) do this.
      4. You have to get in bed with MS to play video. But some streaming is better than no streaming on the PS3 I suppose.
      5. The ports of arcade games on Live Arcade are so lame compared to even the Wii's emulation approach.
      6. Microsoft points are like food stamps and that's lame compared to iTunes, N and Sony.
      7. Why does my controller charge all the time? I mean all the time, when it turns off after charging it should be charged. Meh, the PS3 will probably do the same. The Wii needs rechargable batteries imo.
      8. Gears of War was like 10-12 hours for $60. Please inform me of the next title that will change the world, oh, Halo 3. Ok, well if I'm going to argue waiting for the PS3's titles, I guess that's fair.
      9. How many times have I died when I hit the dashboard button and it slowly animates out, checks friends list and then slowly animates back when I'm dying in the background.
      10. General purpose computing only works with massive amounts of RAM which no console can afford to have.
      11. Because the 360 can't assume a hard-drive, you have to pick a device in certain games which is just unfortunate.

      Anti-fan-boy material:
      1. Sony made a major mistake in GPU choice imo.
      2. The UI for resistance looks omg aweful. I think people on review sites are just trying to justify their purchase.
      3. Kudos to MS for the 360 connector. Nice PC music streaming, even mutes the in-game music (cept cutscenes -- undstandably).
      4. Good god, Sony has lost my faith lately. PSP, rootkits, artificially inflating the blueray player prices, HDCP (although Vista etc all follow suit).
      5. The r500 in the 360 is really slick although usually when you put a daughter chip on the side it's to fix bugs and problems. I guess this is different.
      6. Unified shaders = yum.

      Do I like anything? Yeah, I do. Gears coop was amazing. FF12 is so happy. Test Drive Unlimited (360) is the driving sim I've wanted _forever_. /rant
    • an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@hurfy

      I agree entirely with your points. I love my 360, but there is definitely some room for polishing. I am a bit concerned about how content seems to be designed to strip you of your cash. I love Lumines, for instance, but the price? hmm.

      I am thinking about water cooling it, to get around the Osprey-like takeoff noise.

      Those complaints made. I love it. It is so much better than I thought it was going to be when I purchased it.

      /not sarcastic
      Playing UNO on Live is the best. Seriously.
    • skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Remember the old TurboGraffx-16?

      Apparently none of the Sony fanboys do.
    • CDHarrisUSF, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@an0nymous

      Well, unless your water cooling device will magically quiet the DVD drive, you're still going to have almost all of that noise while you play retail games... but if you're using it as a media center or for playing *downloaded* games it will make a significant difference (since the fans become the dominant noise when the drive isn't spinning).

      ... but that (the DVD drive) is the only complaint I have regarding my 360.
    • an0nymous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@CDHarris
      ... you are absolutely right. Replacement drive maybe? I'll have to look into it.
    • robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was so disappointed by the hype, and then reality of the "Emotion Engine." Sony is making MSFT look positively brilliant. However, in one defense of Sony. They will be able to update the console over the internet. Sony has made significant updates to the PSP in a timely fashion, but they keep breaking my homebrew!
  • chubbymidget, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31Are they issues that can be fixed with service updates or are they core issues?
    The 360 was nice when it first came out but it was greatly improved and refined to make it, I think, great.

    I can't believe I just said that about a MS product... I'm so depressed.
    • ForlornHope, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18You know what? No. If I were to pay $600 (or more!), I want a console that works now, not one that might get updated to do what the much-less-expensive competition can do at some undefined point in the future.

      I hate it too, but it looks like I'll be getting an MS console before the end of the year. With the money I save, I'll get a Wii some time next year.

      Seriously, how the hell did it come to this? How did sony go this wrong?
    • djdole, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3@ForlornHope

      Welcome to the bleeding edge of tech.
      That's the price you pay for a "Gotta have it NOW" attitude.

      I on the other hand might consider buying it after 6-12 months, when any and all flaws have been worked out and game manufacturers have had time to make good use of the hardware.

      IMO, this Mr Schiesel is speaking too soon., or just doesn't know what he's talking about. (Then again, maybe I've become cynical because off all the moronic reporters I've seen try to report on tech, and just end up looking stupid while mispronouncing words.)
      You don't buy a cutting edge PC, boot it up and blame the manufacturer that the hardware didn't turn MS Solitaire into UT2007.
    • afx1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@djdole "You don't buy a cutting edge PC, boot it up and blame the manufacturer that the hardware didn't turn MS Solitaire into UT2007."

      You do when that's what the manufacturer promised.
    • PhantomRogue, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Yeah, this is the first week, with a brand new processor, new architecture and handshaking with old hardware (PS2 chip onboard).

      If you expected a 100% working policy, you dont understand software/hardware development. Sony rushed the PS3 to Market for the holiday and are going to suffer setbacks with performance. However, 3-5 months down the line, when the factories refine the creation processes, BluRay and 1080p Input TVs become more affordable, the PS3 will be better. Most of the Articles now are about Down-converting the PS3's 1080p output. Why would you buy a Console that outputs 1080p and try to play it on a 1080i TV... Two different display systems, people need to stop bitchin cause they have no reading comprehension.

      Will it beat the 360 or the Wii, no one knows, and its all fanboy talk on all sides now on which is the best.

      Give the Consoles time to grow into their hardware and games, then bitch and complain about which one sucks.
    • truspector, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@phantom
      The 360 can display at 1080p and I play it on a 1080i TV, what is your point?
  • xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47a very concise and detailed report. hardware means nothing when the software sucks
    • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Which is why Wii is such a killer.

      The hardware isn't earth-shattering, but it looks nice, and works good enough.

      The software is amazing.

      PS3 fails on BOTH accounts.
    • deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Well said Pabster.

      Content rules.
    • alx242, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"The software is amazing."

      I'm asking for anything that is great besides Zelda...? Also, personally I'm not all that hyped about the controller since I feel that when I wanna work out I do it the proper way...the only thing I find it interesting for is shooters and it will not beat the mouse in any fps or a light-gun for arcade action...but I should just shut up until I have tried it I guess. I'm just not that hyped up about it, thats all.
  • MCMookie, on 10/12/2007, -13/+11Attack the columnist for massive damage.
  • keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -32/+11i hate how most of you WANT the ps3 to fail. there's only articles on how it doesn't deliver at launch. the 360 didn't deliver at launch, it didn't do background downloading, it overheated, and it had one game worth buying. now look at it. so really, stop hoping for the PS3 to lose so bad cause the only one's who lose are the consumers.

    also, i seriously doubt any of you have even considered the implications of MS owning the market. you think Sony is bad?
    • rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28Let me be the first to say I want the PS3 to fail. I want consumers to look at the options in front of them and say, "Graphics are nice, but I want something reasonably priced and fun to play." I want Sony to realize that a $600 console that forces consumers to buy a blu-ray drive even if they dont have and dont want an HD TV was a really dumb idea. And most of all, I want the PS4 not to suck balls like the PS3 does.

      There are a lot of things I'm pissed at Sony for, but I don't want them to collapse, I would rather them become a company that again makes products goood for the market and not hyped up crap.
    • keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3do you want it to fail because you bought another console or what? can you not afford the hardware? you know, you have options for a reason. If you want an affordable console you can go with the Wii, sacrificing graphics but making up in gameplay. If you want something like the PS3 has to offer, then you get that. What I don't understand is why trash the console when the gripes are no worse than what happened to the 360, and that console is turning out just fine.
    • Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Yes, and you know what? There were THOUSANDS of articles at the 360s launch covering every little defect and fault, both real and imagined.

      Now you're complaining because Sony is getting the same treatment?

      Get real.

      I don't want the PS3 to fail but I think that people are entitled to their opinion. In this case the article writer does a good job of summing up why the PS3 doesn't live up to the SONY generated hype.

      The thing is simply not as good, or different, as Sony told everyone it would be. End of discussion.
    • Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29I'd like to see the PS3 fail because:
      A. It's a ***** product.
      B. Sony is a *****, evil company.

      So yeah, guilty as charged I guess. Every new piece of bad news for Sony just makes me smile.
    • SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19For the PS3 to release a year after the 360 and STILL suffer from the same things the 360 suffered from at launch (no background downloading, etc) is sad. Why go down the same road the 360 traveled, when you don't have to?
    • EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13So what if it didn't do background downloading back then? Now it does, and the PS3 was just released. Sony has had just as much extra time to add the option as Microsoft has but they still did not.

      All those "overheating" problems people bitch about was way overblown. I know maybe 1 person who had an overheating problem with it themselves...out of the 30 or 40 I know that own one, and according to the numbers pulled back there were many less than 1 out of 35 that were bad, more like 1 out of a 100 or 200. :rolleyes:
    • BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I think the point is that Sony could have seen all the improvements MS has made to the 360 (a whole year to watch-and-learn)yet it still lacks. Im tired of people saying the 360 launched sucked too, doesn't matter. What matters is that unless Sony can keep pace, MS will keep the 360 ahead in updates and features. Fact is, RIGHT NOW the 360 IS ahead and the PS3 is behind.
    • keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2I'm complaining because the general mentality of the diehards who read game sites is to trash the system over some *****. I didn't trash the 360 when it came out, and I'm not going to trash it now.

      Sony's machine is overhyped? What machine isn't overhyped? I like to see the defects as much as the next guy, but the last thing I'm hoping for is something like what happened to Sega.

      Does it have to do with the Sony threat? Do you guys believe that Sony's console is actually going to come out the winner and you think it's inferior and don't want that? If it's so bad then it should be a joke, like the Jaguar. Instead, it seems there's some kind of fear that it's going to succeed and that we have to do something to stop it.

      I should've posted this in a positive discussion about the PS3 where fanboys were hating....I don't mean to discredit the opinions of the NYT writer, I'm just annoyed that after launch the only articles picked up on digg are the negative ones.
    • tc811, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@keyrat

      So you're telling me that the problems xbox360 had during its launch should be present in the PS3 launch?

      Sony had a year longer than Microsoft to make a console without these errors.

      edit* 5 other people noted what i said
    • keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3no, I'm saying it's all bs and that some overheating is barely an issue on the 360 and these minor gripes with the PS3 are hardly a real issue. you guys actually expected a perfect launch? you've all been hating on it since it was announced, and now it comes and the launch is less than perfect, as you all had hoped for, and suddenly it's a surprise. I mean, WTF.
    • BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The PS3 is not less than perfect, it is far from it. PS3 is having hardware failures as well, discs not being accepted, crashes, graphical glitches (fixed by restarting the console), "beeps of death" (hard drive failures) and so on.

      Alot of the SIMPLE things that Sony could have learned from by watching MS and the 360 are not there, not only the bugs are there but the LACK of features. Voice chat, can't message unless you leave the game, no message or friend notifications in game, horrible multi-list/game-list friends, background downloading, HD compatibility issues (scaling) and so on. These are things they COULD have done in DEVELOPMENT (it is much easier to implement features while in development than after a product's release) while seeing the 360 feature list grow and trying to compete.

      Just because Sony is LATE to sell their system doesn't mean they should be expected to be WORSE off, in fact, it should mean they are up-to-date with the 360 or ahead, ESPECIALLY with a 200 dollar additional cost (that doesn't include the fact you need to buy HD cables separately).

      Point is, they are behind the 360 and to get ahead of the 360 they first need to have the same features. And even then, they need to be ahead that justifies 200 more dollars.
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15MS is a lot better than Sony.

      Imagine if most of us were running Sony operating systems and not Windows. God help us all - there would have been no filesharing no plug and play no MAME no freedom to use your PC for whatever you want. All there would be is Sony milking their customers ad nauseum while simultaneously insulting their intelligence, restricting their rights, sueing them and spying on them.
    • nklnch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Well said keyrat.
    • HardSide, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3The minute Sony fails with their consoles, is the minute Microsoft ups the price on their consoles because of the lack of competition, thats why people will have to pay 400 bucks for a Windows Vista copy.

      So yes, let keep bashing Sony, because in the end you will screw Sony, but you will screw yourself also (unless you don't buy consoles, such as myself, so we are all good)
  • Kirti, on 10/12/2007, -17/+3You have to wonder though. The title says that NY Times gives the PS3 a thumbs down. I'm not claiming the PS3 deserves any better. But, does *one* columnist's article speak for everyone at NY Times?
    • rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Yes. The NY Times put Schiesel in charge of the product review. His article was reviewed and approved by an editor like any other. There may be other reporters that disagree with them, but the Times didn't give them the task of reviewing it. Its not an op-ed piece. If Sony wanted to sue them for libel (not that they will-it would be stupid to try), they would sue the Times, not the reporter.
    • cello, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Sure .... just like how Roger Ebert "represents" the Chicago Sun's opinion on movies.

      This guy does tech for the NY Times. What more do you want? Everyone at the company to chime in and write a paragraph?
  • TheToecutter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25This sums it up;

    "Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile."
    • xtmno3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6My thoughts exactly, which is why I went with the Wii. I have played video games for the past 18-19 years and no matter how shiny the new stuff looks, if it just isn't fun it isn't worth it.
    • SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Agreed. Visuals aren't everything. I own a 360 and a PS3. After it sells on Ebay, I'll own a 360 and a Wii. Go figure.
  • webdevil, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4"In the PS3’s online store (which feels like a slow Web page) you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you’ll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically."

    The 360 does allow for downloading in the background however it didn't ship that way. It shipped the same way that the PS3 is right now. You had to watch a progress bar for an hour before you could do anything else. Thankfully Microsoft did fix it but it took months for them to do so.

    I'm not a Sony fanboy by any means. It's a little dumb to compare two systems this early in the game. The Xbox360 has been out for a year now and I think Sony will have fixed these issues in that amount of time as well.
    • Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Fine, granting that given a year to catch-up the PS3 will be where the Xbox360 is today I have to ask. Where will the 360 be a year from now? It continues to evolve and get better. Sony is WAY behind and the odds of them catching up to the Xbox Live service in 12 months are very remote.
    • cogsprocket, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why is it so dumb to compare the two systems this early in the game? I mean they're both out right? Is there some sort of policy in place that doesn't allow the comparison of two competitors? Isn't that what the consumer will do or will the consumer buy the more expensive item and give it the benefit of the doubt? Do you really think that people are going to leave the subject alone when it's newsworthy now? Exactly how long is enough time before it's not too early to compare? Would a year suffice or would Microsoft still have a year head start and then make it incredibly unfair?

      Seriously... The competition has started. Two months ago people were complaining about comparison before launch, now the launch has happened and the complaints are about comparing too early? Why can't we have a running commentary? Do we simply have to wait until the next generation of consoles are launched before we can expect any comparison in this generation? I mean that's only fair, right? At that point no one will have an unfair advantage, correct?
  • underthewether, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The point about the lack of HDAV cables is incredibly valid. You have to pay $600 for a console, but the hdmi or component cables are extra $$, so really its a $650 system, what a ripoff. Also Sony's software is notoriously crappy, and it appears the PS3's online component is no different.
    • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1More like $150 for the HDMI cable and $100 for the components, especially if you purchase at retail (Best Buy, for example). Tack on a service plan, and you've hit near $1000 (and that is before you purchase a single ***** game!)

      PS3 is for suckers.
    • Dominatus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9150 DOLLARS FOR HDMI??!?!

      Are you on crack!?

      http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8003322&st=hdmi&type=product&id=1155072370272

      There's one for 60 dollars, I didn't even search for a better deal I just typed in HDMI


      http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=2529&seq=1&format=2&style=

      There's one for 8 dollars. Yes EIGHT dollars.

      Idiot.
    • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3@Dominatus

      I was talking big chain store RETAIL prices at RETAIL, not eBay, you stupid *****.

      Get your head out of your ass.
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+360 freaking dollars! F*ck me...never, ever, ever buy cables from BestBuy!

      Does the PS3 support standard HDMI and component cables? I seem to remember my PS2 only supported a PS2-specic component cable that was something like three times what normal component cables cost.

      I hope for Sony's sake they haven't gone down this route for the PS3
    • dotnetwebdev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Never, ever, buy anything from Best Buy. That place is WAY overpriced and it sucks, as do all of the employees there that I've ever had the displeasure of having to speak with.

    • SilentBobSC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pabster - looks like you're the artard on this one, read the URL, that's Best Buy, not eBay...
  • DanteDefiance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Wow...I had no idea the PS3 sucked that much ass. In comparison the 360 just seems like a better system. And I don't mean game wise (it will take a year before we see what the PS3 can really do), I mean machine wise the 360 is just a all around better system.
  • joaob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Well all of you Sony fan boys were asking for an unbiased review from a legitimate source...

    You get what you ask for...
    • rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -23/+3Let me be the first to say it.

      SCHIESEL IT TEH M$ FANBOI!!!!!!!111!one! ARTCLIE IS CARP!!! LOLZOMG!
    • Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Yes, and now they're crying like little bitches about how MS has has an "extra year" and it's not fair to compare the two consoles.

      Bahhh. Sony made the choice to release when it did. It's not MSs fault that Sony wanted a new and unproven processor and a new and unproven media to put their games on.

      I don't own either one of these console, nor do I intend to, but the bleating of the PS3 sheep is getting on my nerves.
    • MateyO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually, I rmember how the Xbox was such a huge, gargantuan, boxy console.

      Now that the PS3's bigger, by quite a bit, why is system size no longer an issue?

      (And the Wii is, what, 25% the size of the original Xbox?)
    • samdu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I immediately question the objectivity of a reviewer that starts their review by mentioning how "innovative" the 360 is.
    • DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's crazy, but the 360 is almost like what Apple would do if they made consoles. The 360s online component "just works". There is no seperate logging in like the PS3, no reading a license agreement everytime, most games across the board share the exact same features (voice chat, friends leaderboards, acheivements). The PS3 has none of this and though it didn't mean too much last generation, anyone who has used the 360 for any amount of time cannot get used to how convoluted and featureless the PS3s online component is. XBL is why I now prefer console gaming over PC gaming. I'll give Sony a year to catch up, but it took MS four years and two systems to get to this point.
    • hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1If Apple made a console it would be the 360? That's pretty funny. I guess you're basing this on the color "white"? If Apple made a console, it would run OpenGL and HLSL (although it would run some horrific subset that confused everyone until 2.1 with Leopard). Of course, my point is pretty moot because even in the "open" PS3 you have to get in bed with them at some point (when you want to write low-level RSX code).

      Man, some people really hugging their 360s. That's cool. I like mine. It's not all-around better. The PS3 is quieter, has free online and you can fast-forward music. All = all. Blanket statements always lose, even mine.
    • hurfydurfur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@samdu:
      If they had just said innovative with their R500. The unified shaders thing and daughter chip was a nice risk to take. But yeah, lacking details, you have to assume they mean the entire system. Which is not the case. It's standard PC game development on a console, which is fine but not innovative.
    • robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If Apple made a console, it would be a Pippin. C'mon digg me down!

      Apple fanboy since 1986.
  • nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Well, PS3 owners can at least take solace in the fact that the units do not contain a sony battery.....
    • Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I would rather pay $600 to see it generate its own "hi-def interactive fireworks display".

      Man they weren't kidding when they said the graphics were awesome....
  • thepunishert, on 10/12/2007, -17/+8This Article Has A Liberal Bias, lol
    • Flummoxer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0You Republicans and your warmongering PS3s. >:(
  • xboxing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Gears of War. Nuff said.
    • Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2More like, Gears of War, PGR3, Oblivion, and soon Halo3. nuff said.
  • Parsnip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I wasn't going to sell mine at first, but after playing it all weekend I'm totally unimpressed. Maybe it will give someone else some holiday joy, and give me some extra cash.
    • gravylookout, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Go buy a Wii and you'll have way more fun than with that PS3. Plus, you can include some of your relatives (if you like them) after Thanksgiving dinner or while you're waiting to open presents instead of secluding yourself in a dark room with an over-priced, under-awesome black box.
  • vr1000, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I will defend Sony a little here. I saw a PS3 in EBgames this weekend and the games looked pretty spiffy on the system. I think it all comes down to games. Its cool that the 360 will let you download TV shows, manage music etc, but anybody with a Mac/PC can do this anyway. I have a first generation Xbox and won't be upgrading to a next gen console until I see games that I want on these systems. (Although Dead Rising and Gears of War are turning me on a little.)
    • ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1After I ***** up bigtime and failed to pick up a Wii this weekend I *almost* considered - nay I DID consider - going out and buying a 360 just for Gears of War and Dead Rising.

      I had a moment of weakness... hell maybe I will end up buying a 360 if there is a good price drop. For now though, I'm waiting for my next chance to buy a Wii.
  • D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4So NYT as i recall also said Macs are great....sooo they can't be right 100% of the time
  • BunnyWunny, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6For $300 I bought a new PC instead, for $600 I can buy one that leaves all these game consoles in the dust, and I can do a lot more than play games on it.

    YMMV, but it seems like a waste of money to me.
    • joaob, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Something I can never understand is...

      Why are you unable to grasp the concept of playing video games in front of your television, with real life friends physically next to you, away from your computer.

      Is your life that tightly wrapped up in that damned box?
    • shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8For $600 you can buy a PC that plays games better than a PS3 or an XBOX 360? I highly doubt that.
    • Nicolay77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5A GeForce 7900 however is already faster than the PS3 video card. The GeForce 8800 is even better. I would say a $1000 PC really can obliterate anything a PS3 and a HD TV set can do. Remember that the PS3 needs an expensive TV to be able to reach the resolutions computer users had for years.

      And @joaob, I have several gamepads and two computers here, so please tell me, can you grasp the concept of a computer being used as a social tool? And sometimes even better than consoles.

      Just because I can play via Internet with anyone, it doesn't mean that I have to. I play via Internet, but again, only with my real-life friends.
    • gravylookout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Go buy a Wii for $250, rent or buy a couple of games, and then when they release WiiLi, your nintendo will be able to do all that fancy stuff your computer does. http://www.wiili.org
    • joaob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Nicolay77

      Congratulations. The post I was responding to completely dismissed console gaming. My response in no way suggested or implied that the PC was not to be used as a social tool. So I don't really get it....

      And yes I can understand using a PC as a social tool since I am doing that right now....on Digg.......from my PC.

    • samdu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Remember that the PS3 needs an expensive TV to be able to reach the resolutions computer users had for years."

      Or... the same exact monitor that you're using on that PC... The expensive TV could be used by either as well.
  • cello, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow ... scathing review from the NY Times.

    Ouch.
  • digitalrift, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1here's a challenge how about a columist write something positive about the ps3 for a change?
    • Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Come on, the guy's not a miracle worker.
    • armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"The PS3 is a clunky, overpriced piece of crap, but we're happy about that"
    • cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the words of the Angry Nintendo Nerd, that's about as hard as doing a handstand while taking a *****.
  • mindovermatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That article was very well written. Good submission. +Digg
  • vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Major questions for the PS3's future. When will they get their supply issues worked out? How much will the price have dropped in 1, 2 and 3 years? How hard are they working on fixing their core-functionality issues? How much of it is fixable via software?
  • pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8For once I agree with the NYT.

    PS3 is Sony's biggest blunder ever, IMHO. And they've had a lot of blunders this year.

    360 or Wii (or both) FTW!
  • RetardoCrisp, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Yup....good old Gaystation 3!!! Tis truly Gay!! Sony had to be a player in the mix of launch machines and rushed their product as a result. How could they fix everything up from just over a month ago claiming the system would have a spring 2007 launch to having it in November? They just had to be cocky and ignorant and the Wii still won out. It isn't about the bragging or the wow factor, it is about customer base and doing things right the 1st time for that base. Sony's initial plan was good but, just like with Democracy and/or Communism, in theory they are beautiful but in practice they are useless and unattainable due to human greed/error.
  • pezkoreaddict, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4one good thing about xbox live and the dashboard/system updates is they fix the issues, and listen to what people want. one of the latest updates a few months ago addressed the issue of listening to music and not having it stop, even when you leave game and return to the dashboard, and they took care of that. they also cleaned up the marketplace and made it easier to browse for downloads. and i love the background downloader, so you can play games and download at the same time.

    sony's online service will have to address the issues and needs of what the users want, and from the stories i have read about the past performance, i would think they are in trouble.
  • ericcoolls, on 10/12/2007, -16/+1http://www.duggmirror.com
    • shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's the New York Times, genius. Digg isn't going to pull the site down.
  • sancho320, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6What I don't understand is how you can talk about the PS3 without going into detail about the gaming experience. Who really cares if you have to plug in your controller first? Who cares if you can't play music in the background while you play. Admittedly, the fact that high def cables are sold separately is a major concern. But what about the damn games??? This guy spent 30 hours last week playing 13 different games. Fan-freakin-tastic... say something about 'em then. Also, it is true that the PS3 may not have discernibly better graphics when running it on a 13" Sylvania like this guy did.

    >> Well all of you Sony fan boys were asking for an unbiased review from a legitimate source...

    This is hardly an unbiased review. You can tell because he spends 15 paragraphs on the bad and about 2 LINES on the good. Sound unbiased to you?
    • shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Maybe there's that much bad and that little good? What motive could the NY Times have for sabotaging the PS3?
    • joaob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9There wasn't much good to talk about...

    • mindovermatter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The small details are the determinant factors for electronics these days. Users who pay that much for a piece of equipment like this are probably looking for seamless playability and high quality. If you don't deliver on both and just offer powerful graphics then why not just buy a decent gaming PC? Also, you can't nail the guy for not spending more time talking about the good stuff PS3 has to offer. It's not his fault the system doesn't live up to the hype.

      Also, I don't think he'd be complaining about HDMI cables if he were plugged into a 13" Sylvania.
    • SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You want game reviews? Probably shouldn't look at the NY Times for that. And since he was writing about the hardware, it wouldn't really make sense to start spouting off game reviews. And there is only one game worth a damn, Resistance. Call me crazy...
    • cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8There is no bias against your precious system, spare the bias that was born from having to deal with how shoddy the presentation is.

      Face it.. the PS3 was created by businessmen, not artists.
  • rudygetz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There always seems to be a console that falls short in the end...it looks like of the 3 it currently stands:

    1. 360
    2. Wii
    3. PS3

    Let's hope it stays that way because I want a Wii.
  • kappakat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

    I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television."

    That's just shameful.
  • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I'm not a Sony fanboy by any means. It's a little dumb to compare two systems this early in the game. The Xbox360 has been out for a year now and I think Sony will have fixed these issues in that amount of time as well."

    Well, that doesn't hold water, mainly because Sony had the time to fix these issues, what with watching the 360's release problems. So they knew the problems going in, and did nothing. And that is why Sony will fail. They don't learn from history. They merely repeat it.
    • ManJoos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"They don't learn from history. They merely repeat it." Exactly. What the hell were they thinking?
  • username9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Sony deserves every bit of abuse they get.

    They promised a machine that would be better than anything on the market.

    They did not even come close.

    The xbox 360 may be a year ahead, but that says more about microsoft's ability to plan and bring product to market.

    Sony had the extra time to get this all figured out. They were delayed because of BLURAY laser availability (or so they say), so why does nothing work as well as the 360? They had an extra year to work on the software. The fanboy excuse that you can't compare them because the PS3 just came out is invalid. They not only had all that extra time, they also saw what worked well on the 360...and they still screwed the pooch.

    The other key factor is that everything except first party games will be ports of the xbox 360 version. That means the cell processor is no better than the 360's triple core CPU, yet the 360 GPU is far superior.
    • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'm not even sure the Cell is as good as advertised. It's certainly not easier to manufacture. As far as ease of creation it seems to be ( Wii > 360 ) > PS3. Not to mention asthetically, the PS3 looks like a George Foreman grill.
  • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Sony has also had a year to play with the 360 and study everything that consumers like on it, and add and improve on those things. But they didn't"

    To me, that is the very key. Sony had at least a year, and perhaps more, and did nothing to mitigate the very same errors that happened to MS. To me that shows severe myopia.

    Not to mention all the "Me Too!" that Sony is doing. Nintendo does motion sensing, PS3 does too. X360 and Wii does downloading of previous games, and now Sony announces that they will too. Don't they have one damn original idea other than bloody Blu-Ray?
  • mikeyj10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Heres the problem for the PS3, this is in the NY Times. I'm certain fanboys don't read it, but PARENTS do.
  • cakestick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile."

    Eat it, Sony. You better smarten up over the next year..
  • davy2002a, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Well, after the NY Times blocked all Linux users from watching videos on their website, this irresponsible review by them does not surprise me.
  • meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'd digg this 5 times if I could.

    Finally a decent unbiased review of a product from a company who can't get their sh*t together. Very to-the-point and truthful.
  • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"i have to say the online component and the simplicity is the real kicker for me that puts the 360 far ahead of the ps3 but also my biggest concern is simply the 360 controller just feels 10x better in my hands than the ps3."

    Dude. No kidding. I have hated that Playstation controller since they released it way back for the PS1. The analog sticks are in the wrong place really. The D-Pad is still given priority, and the controller is way too small. It just doesn't feel right in my hands. The 360 controller is light and feels perfect. Not to mention all the buttons are easily reachable.

    So why is it that MS realized that they had a POS controller, especially with the black and white buttons, and were able to change course over a period of like 4 years, and the PS hasn't changed controllers once in 10 years?

    "All those "overheating" problems people bitch about was way overblown. I know maybe 1 person who had an overheating problem with it themselves...out of the 30 or 40 I know that own one, and according to the numbers pulled back there were many less than 1 out of 35 that were bad, more like 1 out of a 100 or 200. :rolleyes:"
    And a lot of that had to do with people not RTFM. It SAID not to leave the console in an enclosed space. It said it in bold even.

    "So what if it didn't do background downloading back then? Now it does, and the PS3 was just released. Sony has had just as much extra time to add the option as Microsoft has but they still did not."
    And all of this comes after listening to the customer base. They did an awesome job. And with Xbox Live Anywhere, and the developer's kits, I think the Xbox will continue to be king.

    Plus, what will Sony do about something like Arcade? It may sound lame, but I love playing UNO against other players, and talking the same smack I would if they were at a table with me. I'm all for XBL Monopoly.



    • davy2002a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, now that its USB I'm sure there's gotta be a way to plug any gamepad/joystick/steering wheel in that is supported by either PS3s linux or linux in general :)
  • teljax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Great review from someone who has played more hours/games on the PS3 then anyone here. Personally, I’m a nationalist and I’m happy as hell Sony is floundering. American commerce, American superiority. F#@K YEAH!!
  • MM005, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6CNN, TIME, and now The New York Times! Sony is getting slammed by all kinds of main media! Sony is in deep trouble!
  • harreola, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Time's got nothing to write about, so they resort to this. Have him write up the same thing when the big gun games such as MGS4, FFXIII (and versus), DMC4, GTHD, etc all come out.

    How can he say the software sucks and reach to the conclusion that the PS3 sucks when it just friggin launched!? All launch games are inferior compared to 1st or 2nd year titles.
    • brimg87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Launch games may generally be inferior at launch, but that is no excuse. The 360 had a much stronger launch than PS3 did. Project Gothem Racing 3 was game of the year in some places. Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, etc. These were all fun games. PS3 doesn't have much in the fun department.
    • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Time's got nothing to write about, so they resort to this. Have him write up the same thing when the big gun games such as MGS4, FFXIII (and versus), DMC4, GTHD, etc all come out."
      Well all those spiffy games aren't going to matter when the operating system is still screwed up. And there is no way that the online system will be anywhere as developed as 360's in a year.
  • brimg87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Microsoft had a rough start with their large Xbox and huge controller back in 2001, but I bought one for Halo way back when. They learned their lesson, released a better controller and got a lot of 3rd party support. With the Xbox 360, they refined everything on all levels into more than we could have asked for. I also got a 360 at launch and have been very impressed with constant refinement added within just one year of the systems release on an already solid product.

    This will be the generation of the 360 and Wii and Sony is going to be very hard pressed to compete given that many developers have already jumped on the motion sensor Wii bandwagon. Not only that, but developers have also said that the 360 is a lot easier to develop on than the PS3. I won't be suprised if Sony, once a leader in gaming, gives up on consoles like Sega did.
  • andrewmac44, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1I'm not a PS3 fan-boy in any way, shape, or form. But honestly, most of the complaints in this article about the PS3 are simple software problems which can be fixed in the coming months. Sure, they *SHOULD* be there now, but not everyone is perfect. The wii is lacking in a lot of its software features too, just no one notices because of the awesomeness of the controller ( I love my wii .. so very much )

    A good majority of the features they talk PS3 down for, weren't even available on the xbox when it launched, but were added in updates. It's been out for a year longer.. give Sony a year and maybe they'll get it all in there.. or maybe not, who knows.
    • TylerDurden76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"A good majority of the features they talk PS3 down for, weren't even available on the xbox when it launched, but were added in updates. It's been out for a year longer.. give Sony a year and maybe they'll get it all in there.. or maybe not, who knows."
      And where will the 360 be by then? That's right, still a year ahead.

      "Sure, they *SHOULD* be there now, but not everyone is perfect."
      Perfect, no. Paying attention to the competition, and not repeating the same competition's mistakes, yes.
    • andrewmac44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I suppose you're right. Being a year behind the competition should have given the ps3 not only a hardware upper hand, but a software one as well.
    • mtalon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Said before, but bears repeating. Sony had a year to watch MS and see what they were doing, for better or worse. They had a year to add enhancements and avoid any embarassing missteps BEFORE the release. I can't imagine every PS3 developer and project manager just went "oh well, no diodes...we can't code/design." The fact that the PS3 is at the same place the 360 was a year ago means they are a year behind. While Sony plays catch-up, MS is moving forward. Unless Sony can crank out patches and updates faster (an unlikely situation, since MS is the king of patching), they have already lost.

      There's no way in Hades I would spend $600+ on a system that performs WORSE than one that is cheaper and proven to work. No one in their right mind would. For all the 'potential' of the PS3, the 360 is already there. Plus, you have a system that is unlike all the rest (Wii) that is going to grab the novelty factor. While I doubt Sony is going to fall apart on this, they have lost the dominance they have enjoyed.
  • eschompthis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is truly a good review, I did not know that madden did not have Voice, and you cant play music while playing a game.
  • amg55nj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes a very well done review pointing out the problems in the PS3. Very concise.

    I'm just glad I got an Xbox 360 back in January and didn't wait for this unfinished machine and paid $200 more for it. I mean how can you have separate friends lists for each game. That just shows how much they actually thought out the process of the online community. Oh well....back to Gears of War!
  • jmdajr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5B R U T A L
  • Steveo117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The PS3’s whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing." What the #$%^
  • mrkmrk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I know that it's probably already mentioned in the comments here, but...

    "Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile."

    A-*****-men.
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