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- mavranos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+88Is that all he complained about? Nope.
He has some very valid points. The PS3 should be better than it is. - latova, on 10/12/2007, -4/+77I think this is one of the most fair and logical comparisons I've seen on digg to date. The reasoning is specific and excellent - one of the last lines he says is: "Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.". It's very true about this graphics vs gameplay arguement, where wii takes the gameplay road and 360 takes out of both (graphically and online it is very solid).
As gamers, I think we are all very lucky to have very specialized consoles. Last gen they were all alike almost, simple control schemes and standard gameplay. Now, gamers can now get 2 consoles and have totally different experiences.
The only thing I'd becareful of, is in the article it says: "Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3’s deficiencies". Sony has a reputation for not being true to their word, keeping things from us, and so on. I'd still wait for the results if they actually fix these problems. - furtwan1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+70What??? You are seriously telling me with a strait face that SONY...the best company in the world...DIDN'T deliver on the wild and outrageous claims they've been throwing around for the past year and a half?
You mean to say that just maybe they were trying to stall customers from buying an xbox360? No, that couldn't be. THEY HAVE A CELL PROCESSOR!@!!! it's like a miracle of science or something from what Sony told me.
Oh, and I don't believe that such a great company would omit the cables that they claim make a "true" HD experience possible...that just wouldn't make sense...
/sarcasm - JayMeaux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+60you can complain quite a bit if you shell out the kind of big bucks sony is asking for...
- cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52sony got burned
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+47a very concise and detailed report. hardware means nothing when the software sucks
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42Indeed.
My favorite quote:
"Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game)."
So much for the vaunted Cell. - Stonelion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40He was complaining about the lack of a component cable, not the lack of a HDMI... though I would note that BOTH of those are missing, leaving PS3 owners with simple composite cables instead.
- ebs16, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43http://www.bugmenot.com/view/nytimes.com
Username: passwordssuck
Password: ihatepasswords - gronne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33The webpage didn't ask me for a password. Did it for anybody else?
I know the RSS links will go straight to the page without a password. - chubbymidget, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31Are they issues that can be fixed with service updates or are they core issues?
The 360 was nice when it first came out but it was greatly improved and refined to make it, I think, great.
I can't believe I just said that about a MS product... I'm so depressed. - SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Would you be happy buying a $600 HD console and not even being supplied the correct cables to display in HD? C'mon...
- joaob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Well all of you Sony fan boys were asking for an unbiased review from a legitimate source...
You get what you ask for... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25This sums it up;
"Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Actually it's very valid. You can walk into a store and buy a 360 or a PS3 (well, in theory). You can't compare a launch 360 to a PS3 when said launches are 1 year apart. You have to compare what's available off the shelf to consumers.
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24*****.
When you walk into a store and plunk your money down you are spending your dollars and buying the system as it exists TODAY. Not for some improvements that may or may not come a year from now.
As it stands TODAY the 360 has better visuals, a better online experience, and costs less.
Stop your whining. Like it or not the PS3 is behind and it's not what Sony promised. - pabster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Which is why Wii is such a killer.
The hardware isn't earth-shattering, but it looks nice, and works good enough.
The software is amazing.
PS3 fails on BOTH accounts. - nrvous250gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Well, PS3 owners can at least take solace in the fact that the units do not contain a sony battery.....
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Yes, and you know what? There were THOUSANDS of articles at the 360s launch covering every little defect and fault, both real and imagined.
Now you're complaining because Sony is getting the same treatment?
Get real.
I don't want the PS3 to fail but I think that people are entitled to their opinion. In this case the article writer does a good job of summing up why the PS3 doesn't live up to the SONY generated hype.
The thing is simply not as good, or different, as Sony told everyone it would be. End of discussion. - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25Sorry, but no. There is no one year grace period that comes with releasing expensive hardware to the market. If you want good reviews, you have to deliver. Debugging is something that happens before you start making promises you can't keep and taking peoples money.
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29I'd like to see the PS3 fail because:
A. It's a ***** product.
B. Sony is a *****, evil company.
So yeah, guilty as charged I guess. Every new piece of bad news for Sony just makes me smile. - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28Let me be the first to say I want the PS3 to fail. I want consumers to look at the options in front of them and say, "Graphics are nice, but I want something reasonably priced and fun to play." I want Sony to realize that a $600 console that forces consumers to buy a blu-ray drive even if they dont have and dont want an HD TV was a really dumb idea. And most of all, I want the PS4 not to suck balls like the PS3 does.
There are a lot of things I'm pissed at Sony for, but I don't want them to collapse, I would rather them become a company that again makes products goood for the market and not hyped up crap. - ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20The point in that argument is not that the HDMI wasn't bundled, but that it wasn't bundled when HD output / Bluuuu Raaaaaayyyyy has been listed by Sony as a major selling point repeatedly and used to justify the ridiculous price of the console.
So why doesn't Sony include the cable?
1) They want more money from you so they make you buy it seperately?
Possible. Though they could have just included it and sold the system for $700 - all of the same fools would have still purchased it if they charged $780... admit it.... fool.
2) They understand that only a small percentage of users will have a TV ready to use the HDMI cables?
Probably. Why then, would Sony see Blu-Ray and HD output as such a huge selling point / justification of huge price? Becase they don't care about you, your HDTV, or your cables - they just want to win a format war. Your PS3 purchase is just a means to that end. Enjoy it ... fool. - SuMizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19For the PS3 to release a year after the 360 and STILL suffer from the same things the 360 suffered from at launch (no background downloading, etc) is sad. Why go down the same road the 360 traveled, when you don't have to?
- Strikeael, on 10/12/2007, -12/+31And he could write a whole article on that for all I care. I'm pissed about having to buy a component cable for the Wii b/c it pushes the price to $280. And that's only to go to 480p! For them to force you to go over the $600 you've already paid for something so crucial as the difference bet 720p or 1080p and 480 is assinine. The unit costs too much to make and they've been forced to cut corners on stuff that would have only cost a little more. It doesn't upconvert standard DVDs, whereas the standalone high def DVD players have generally been the best upconverters on the market. It doesn't upconvert a 720p signals to 1080i for early HDTV adopters. So if your TV can take 1080i but not 720p, on your 360 it will run at 1080i. On your PS3 it will run at 480p. For how much they stressed high-def, they sure are sending out a mixed signal. And ***** on their customers.
- Parsnip, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17I wasn't going to sell mine at first, but after playing it all weekend I'm totally unimpressed. Maybe it will give someone else some holiday joy, and give me some extra cash.
- knupso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18It is a fair comparison. This is what is available today. If Sony wanted the PS3 to be where MS is today with the 360 then they should have left out the blue ray drive, and released the PS3 last year.
Sure we can wait a year but MS will still be a year a head of Sony.
Are you going to cry foul then, when the PS3 doesn't measure up? - aaronlidman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21It was Sony's choice to take that extra year, it's not MS' fault that they where more efficient and better planned out than Sony. Here we see exactly what the extra year wait was for and overall it's very underwhelming and obvious that Microsoft has better strategy and it's beating Sony at the very game it led in just a few years ago.
- ForlornHope, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18You know what? No. If I were to pay $600 (or more!), I want a console that works now, not one that might get updated to do what the much-less-expensive competition can do at some undefined point in the future.
I hate it too, but it looks like I'll be getting an MS console before the end of the year. With the money I save, I'll get a Wii some time next year.
Seriously, how the hell did it come to this? How did sony go this wrong? - afx1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@djdole "You don't buy a cutting edge PC, boot it up and blame the manufacturer that the hardware didn't turn MS Solitaire into UT2007."
You do when that's what the manufacturer promised. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Come on, the guy's not a miracle worker.
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Yes, and now they're crying like little bitches about how MS has has an "extra year" and it's not fair to compare the two consoles.
Bahhh. Sony made the choice to release when it did. It's not MSs fault that Sony wanted a new and unproven processor and a new and unproven media to put their games on.
I don't own either one of these console, nor do I intend to, but the bleating of the PS3 sheep is getting on my nerves. - rhesuspieces00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Yes. The NY Times put Schiesel in charge of the product review. His article was reviewed and approved by an editor like any other. There may be other reporters that disagree with them, but the Times didn't give them the task of reviewing it. Its not an op-ed piece. If Sony wanted to sue them for libel (not that they will-it would be stupid to try), they would sue the Times, not the reporter.
- shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Maybe there's that much bad and that little good? What motive could the NY Times have for sabotaging the PS3?
- alexkrycek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Of course it's a useful comparison. Sony had a year to play catch-up and they failed. If that isn't enough time, why should we assume that Sony will have fixed everything in another year?
- Kebie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Sony has also had a year to play with the 360 and study everything that consumers like on it, and add and improve on those things. But they didn't.
- BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I think the point is that Sony could have seen all the improvements MS has made to the 360 (a whole year to watch-and-learn)yet it still lacks. Im tired of people saying the 360 launched sucked too, doesn't matter. What matters is that unless Sony can keep pace, MS will keep the 360 ahead in updates and features. Fact is, RIGHT NOW the 360 IS ahead and the PS3 is behind.
- mikeyj10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Heres the problem for the PS3, this is in the NY Times. I'm certain fanboys don't read it, but PARENTS do.
- shaggtastic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's the New York Times, genius. Digg isn't going to pull the site down.
- piper999, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15MS is a lot better than Sony.
Imagine if most of us were running Sony operating systems and not Windows. God help us all - there would have been no filesharing no plug and play no MAME no freedom to use your PC for whatever you want. All there would be is Sony milking their customers ad nauseum while simultaneously insulting their intelligence, restricting their rights, sueing them and spying on them. - DanteDefiance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Wow...I had no idea the PS3 sucked that much ass. In comparison the 360 just seems like a better system. And I don't mean game wise (it will take a year before we see what the PS3 can really do), I mean machine wise the 360 is just a all around better system.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Well said Pabster.
Content rules. - ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14My favorite quote:
(In reference to not being able to listen to music DURING gameplay)
"In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time."
And this is the most advanced console ever made?
"It might even be smarter than you" (Sony commercial quote) .... unlikely. - piper999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The reason it doesn't have a cable to connect to a hidef TV is because most people don't have hidef TV's.
In other words Sony has brought out a hidef console but when it comes to selling it they think "yeah but no-one's actually going to use it with a hidef TV so why support them?"
Pretty funny if you ask me. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Fine, granting that given a year to catch-up the PS3 will be where the Xbox360 is today I have to ask. Where will the 360 be a year from now? It continues to evolve and get better. Sony is WAY behind and the odds of them catching up to the Xbox Live service in 12 months are very remote.
- EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13So what if it didn't do background downloading back then? Now it does, and the PS3 was just released. Sony has had just as much extra time to add the option as Microsoft has but they still did not.
All those "overheating" problems people bitch about was way overblown. I know maybe 1 person who had an overheating problem with it themselves...out of the 30 or 40 I know that own one, and according to the numbers pulled back there were many less than 1 out of 35 that were bad, more like 1 out of a 100 or 200. :rolleyes: - underthewether, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The point about the lack of HDAV cables is incredibly valid. You have to pay $600 for a console, but the hdmi or component cables are extra $$, so really its a $650 system, what a ripoff. Also Sony's software is notoriously crappy, and it appears the PS3's online component is no different.
- username9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Sony deserves every bit of abuse they get.
They promised a machine that would be better than anything on the market.
They did not even come close.
The xbox 360 may be a year ahead, but that says more about microsoft's ability to plan and bring product to market.
Sony had the extra time to get this all figured out. They were delayed because of BLURAY laser availability (or so they say), so why does nothing work as well as the 360? They had an extra year to work on the software. The fanboy excuse that you can't compare them because the PS3 just came out is invalid. They not only had all that extra time, they also saw what worked well on the 360...and they still screwed the pooch.
The other key factor is that everything except first party games will be ports of the xbox 360 version. That means the cell processor is no better than the 360's triple core CPU, yet the 360 GPU is far superior. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"The PS3 is a clunky, overpriced piece of crap, but we're happy about that"
- ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11this article is very valid and as far as the one year grace period that has been thrown out the window with the ps3. sony chose to take a year to "refine" or better yet complete their console, so in theory they should be on par with the 360 in its current state. face it, sony dropped the ball BIG TIME. once people who are still up in the air understand what you can do with the 360, unified online service, background downloading, great graphics, and soon movies and tv shows, the ps3 will dwindle away unless they make some HUGE firmware upgrades. having played both now, i have to say the online component and the simplicity is the real kicker for me that puts the 360 far ahead of the ps3 but also my biggest concern is simply the 360 controller just feels 10x better in my hands than the ps3.
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