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- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+65I'm not sure why people always mock the "back up" concept. Have you ever seen what kids do to DVDs? Do you really wanna shell out $40 every time your 5 year old decides to play frisbee?
- Itazura, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45@squeakywheel
Yeah it really did give the other two systems an unfair advantage, it was really hard for me to burn all those ps2 games, it took nearly 3 clicks. And the gamecube was just as easy. - TNHitokiri, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38i call ***** on this
this really sounds like a scare tactic to stop people from flashing hacked firmwares
i say this because there have been no reports of multiple people getting banned from xbox live on any major xbox hacking sites such as xbox-scene, xboxhacker or on any xbox irc channels.. - nizzy1115, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31I know this is not legit. I am 100% positive. Here's why:
First off, why would the poster be on xbox.com forum be 100 new to the forum just to post that article, it doesn't make sense.
But even still, if this user is legit, his reasoning for Microsoft banning his xbox by his mac address is completely incorrect. Microsoft will not ban you by your mac address. They will ban you by your serial number built into your motherboard. This is because if Microsoft bans your machine by its ethernet mac address, you can just pick up a wireless USB adapter for it which will have a different mac address. Or you could pick up the Linksys gaming wireless adapter for the same thing. Or, without even buying new hardware, you could spoof your mac address in your home router's settings, so Microsoft would never know it was the same machine.
I don't believe this guy. - TomP, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35If its not on xbox-scene i dont believe it.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -21/+40I agree. And this should've been expected.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17While I don't condone piracy in any way, I do feel ALL products in general (tech or otherwise) must be customized/modded to suit your needs. No commercial gadget or gizmo is ever "exactly" what you want. If there is potential for other uses, consoles, gadgets, blenders, whatever, should be customized. Just don't expect the manufacturer to agree.
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Except that they will be releasing XNA Express which will let people make games playable on the 360.
- gabeN, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@twtmc:
Microsoft is bringing homebrew to the 360... Ever hear of XNA?
That being said, I'm glad I've held off on doing a firmware upgrade... I'll wait for unsigned code to start working before I bust open my baby... - Sartori, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11That's all very well, and I agree completely that home-brew software should be encouraged.
However, the firmware mod does not allow home-brew. Only straight copies of games, whether you want to call it piracy or backups. - dvranizan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12merreborn:
But a mere $60 for a perfectly legitimate excuse to beat the crap out of your toddler? It doesn't get better than that my friend. - waynechng, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14If you buy a car, shouldn't you be allowed to fix it yourself or add/change parts that you want? I'm not for pirating, but this is a question about property and ownership. If you buy and own that property, you should be able to do as you wish to it. That some use it for piracy is incidental, like owning a gun.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I would download more if I got baned from live b/c I would get bored with games quicker.
- TheUnashamed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11You don't have children, do you DrunkMonkey?
I'm just assuming...you know, because you're so naive. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8To go with the car analogy, yes, you should be able to change parts that you want. But if the manufacturer is holding a race tournament for your model of car - where all participants are driving the same factory model - then your modded car should not be allowed to participate.
- chazcross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@littlebluedevil
Wait till the next release in Dec, you will be able to play on the 360 and share with other developers.
If you want to sell what you create you have to go through the official channels. - tavisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Modded XBOXES can be modded to cheat with online games. So I can see that aspect. (I hate playing an online game agenst people who CHEAT!)
I understand the want to backup your games. I do that with PC games I play alot. (Many of wich I can NOT replace!)
So I am on the fence on this one. - theojanke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9http://duggmirror.com
- Akyan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11leonwestbrook do you have crap for brains, if the games are just rehashed then why do you want to play them enough to get pirate copies? In fact why did you even bother getting a console in the first place?
And no, its not ok to steal movies and music. - piratepete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6umm yea, if you download the games.... that's piracy
- TriZz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7That's nice in theory until you go to EBGames to buy a used game and can't play it. Or, if you take Halo 3 over to your friends house to play some hot co-op action...
...gaming is too interactive to become a solitaire business anymore. - jclarke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm agree that you should never be banned from a service because you home-brew.
In my opinion it is the companies interest to allow hackers to mod their consoles as this sparks interest in the console because it extends the usage of the console.
if piracy is a side effect of this then companies like Microsoft need to try harder and spend more money in anti piracy R+D. - fireface100, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@nizzy1115 you are completely right, they cant ban your mac address as it would be your nat address not your internal xbox address, what if you have more than one 360 or share the network like at a dorm
they block your EEPROM its a proven method why change - 9tendo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Firmguard: Makes your firmware read only
Firmware Stealth: the xbox cannot detect that the firmware has been modified
Media Stealth: disc has proper video, pfi, dmi, and ss so it looks just like an original
If you haven't yet, upgrade your firmware - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"If I buy hardware, that hardware is mine. I can use it for a footstool or a missile control system."
And I'll tell you the same thing I tell people at work. You can do whatever you want with your own hardware, we don't have to let it on our network. - SirNuke, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I was under the impression that Microsoft was banning modded Xboxes (not 360s), when detectable. If so, how would this strike against modding be any different?
- GunFingers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Last time I checked, we're living in a free and open society. "
LOL. Hard.
What does that have to do with your argument? Why didn't you throw some bit about "free-speech" in there to?
"Last time I checked, we're living in a free and open society. " So I get to take stuff I want without paying for it. Wow.
You do it, you know it's wrong, but you've developed some internal justifications for it. I was like that, to a degree, as a kid as well. Still doesn't make it right. And it certainly doesn't make MS's efforts to curtail it wrong.
I think you'll find as you get older and work for a living, you're able to empathize with content creators a little more (at least, you should find this). I make a living selling a software product. I know 70 engineers who bust their asses to make what I sell a great product. Each and every one of us deserves to earn a living. If people were just copying my software and passing it around (it's an enterprise app, so they aren't), I would be pissed, and applaud every effort made to protect digital rights. I can't imagine how this feels when you work the way game developers do. Long ass weeks, relatively low pay (relative to the hours they put in), and the disdain of a small percentage of your audience. - ubhe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3funny thing is, they don't share the same loyalty to you. its nothing to do with the game devs but the suits that try to milk as much money from you as they can. so its loose, loose. the lawyers always win.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7It's funny how pretty much every person posting in this thread against modding is a ***** hypocrite.
Tell me you don't have one single CD, whether music or data, that you burned and didn't actually own. I'll call you a liar. You might as well ban burners, and blank media. Ban the internet too, and rental stores. There, now no one can copy!
Please, don't come in here playing moral crusader for something that doesn't even concern you. It has no effect on you whether someone copies games or not, unless you're retarded and believe that piracy hurts sales when in reality it doesn't (just like movies and music, if a game is good, it will drive in profit, trust me).
I have modded systems and I copy games to avoid spending $50 on them, and trust me, I lost interest in 90% of them, so I don't regret it. Last time I checked, we're living in a free and open society. Also, last time I checked, those days are coming to an end.
You people should be glad you have the freedom to do it instead of bitching about it.
If you don't agree with modding, then just move along, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna have some hypocritical ***** tell me what I can or cannot do with my own hardware that *I* paid for. - GunFingers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2We should be clear that the 360 itself can not be modded. What is in discussion here is a hack of the DVD Drive firmware, which only allows for the use of copied games. To the people who make the games, MS taking action on this is probably more important than Ms worrying about cheating on Live.
- odiHnaD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's funny how much your outlook on modding changes as you grow older, when I was in high school my collection of burned PS1 games was second to none (over 150) and I would also sell and install mod chips for other people I went to school with, and when you don't have any money I can understand why you "need" to mod (you want to play the games but don't have the money to pay for them) but now if I want a game I can shell out the $60 to get the game, and it actually feels kind of good paying for a game, I can guarantee that many of the pro-modders out there right now in a few years will come around to the fact that it's too much hassle to worry about modding and that you know what you're doing "isn't right". And lastly any of those lame excuses about modding the 360 for home brew is just that, "LAME" the only reason to mod a 360 is to pirate games plain and simple...
- DangerMouse9, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Your excuse about trying to get to the rental store on release day otherwise you have to wait is a prime example of a poor argument, but does a great job showcasing the way Americans (and people) in general have become.
So what if you have to wait two weeks? Must you have everything NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW? - tyler1175, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3modded 360's aren't using a modchip they are flashing the dvd drives with a hacked firmware, which is going to be hard for microsoft to detect and there are already stealth firmwares out that are supposed to make it impossible for them to detect it.
- TomP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Hopefully a specially crafted game will exploit the system somehow....
- jmdajr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My friend asked if I wanted my 360 modded.
I said no, I like to support the game industry.
Good games are worth buying. - GunFingers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, that's a lot of excuses. You pirate games, know it's wrong, and have come up with some really lame justifications.
Game sites have ads, so I can't read reviews! Must pirate game as a "demo"! - littlebluedevil, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They also did a checksum on the bios.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This story is probably straight from Microsoft's PR department. I don't own a 360 but from what I've read it's almost impossible to detect the hacked firmware.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"There's a whole other reason to mod a console besides piracy. 75% of the games that come out on any given console are crappy and/or buggy."
There are these people who make a living evaluating games for these problems in this day and age. They are called "reviewers". In fact, the make their findings available so people like you can find out what a game is like before you buy it, so you don't have to break the law. - TroubleInMind, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4/clapping
If I buy hardware, that hardware is mine. I can use it for a footstool or a missile control system. That includes the BIOS and the firmware IMO. They have a right to TOS me if they find out of course. This spawns innovation. If they sniff my MAC address, some smart guy will find a way to masquerade it. Then Uncle Bill figures out how to beat that hack. Then another smart guy beats it. That's how this ***** works. It's interesting.
And as jclarke says, this drives popularity. - PointAndClick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jhep, do you really think there is going to be a different product that meets every need of 6 billion people?
There are dozens of things that a modded 360 could do (like the original), piracy just happens to be one of them. Why should that make modding in general illegitimate?
I can do many things with a rifle, like shoot someone, doesn't mean I will. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i bought an xbox knowing that it did not suit my needs, but i did know that i would be able to bend it into what i needed very well. there might be other things that can do what a modded xbox can (XBMC), but not with it's ease, level of refinement, and reliability. and all this from something that didn't do anything i cared too much for out of the box.
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm kinda with you on this.....paying $50 for a game is actually EASIER than spending many many MANY weekends on forums, xbox-scene etc etc...figuring out each nitpicky detail of what needs to be done
on the flip side the original xbox was a FAR more useful machine modded than UNMODDED
I'm still waiting for a console that lets me burn an AVI/DIVX/MPEG/MOV whatever the hell I want to a DVD/CD and play it automatically
I had this feature with original xbox(modded)
not with any other device I own - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Piracy will only increase as the times roll forward...a big problem in the digital age is that none of this stuff actually appreciates in value
kinda like how vinyl records are worth far more than cds
If video games were more of an investment....and not JUST entertainment, I don't think piracy would be soo high, I remember in the NES and SNES people dreamed of a day when their collection that they've taken so much care of would be worth thousands....
when they went to funcoland and their collection was worth maybe 50-60 IF you were lucky...it was very disenfranchising, combined with the fact that many of these games are re-released over and over again
Piracy will always exist with technology.... - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I agree, the original Xbox was far more useful when modded...XBMC was excellent...however the 360 is actually more useful unmodded than modded
I'm with MS on this one... - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Honestly in this console war MS is winning because I feel like they are listening to what people are saying this time around...they listened to the complaints of the original Xbox controller and came out with the S....people complained about the lack of RPGs.....they came out with Blue Dragon
Being a tech company, not a consumer electronics company, not a gaming company........they actually listen to blogs, digg, slashdot, places like that.....geeks usually scream the loudest...but at the same time represent problems other people have... - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1then again....maybe I shouldn't speak too soon, considering Vista is rumored to only allow 10 switches.....who know the next xbox may not honor purchases I've made with the 360 in which case, I'll be pissed as *****!!!
- TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Personally I'd prefer downloading games with licenses...
I love how no matter what I download on the xbox 360...I ALWAYS own it...because they have a record of me purchasing it - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1A *****' men!
- friggermc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Fry their chips? Don't think they can do that really, as they have paid the same money for the console as you. So why not fry yours aswell? Because you didn't modify your console. I have heard about dodgy things happenening to people with them 360 sata interfaces which let you hook your 360 hard drive to your pc so you can extract saved games and stuff.
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