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- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -37/+97Is this really that difficult? You paid for an internal 3.5" drive. They are using a 2.5" drive that is housed in an external powered enclosure. They are not the same.
- Yorn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+61I bought a 120 gig 2.5 inch hard drive in December 2006. Here's a direct copy/paste from newegg including external enclosure:
SABRENT SBT-EKU25 2.5" USB 2.0 External Enclosure - Retail
Item #: N82E16817155704
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $9.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint M Series HM120JC 120GB 5400 RPM ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822152032
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $81.99
The end. - Zero2aHero, on 10/12/2007, -11/+52This price is *****, Microsoft has been pretty good during the 360's cycle of realizing when they've made a public ***** up... hopefully they will hear it again this time. Selling a bigger hard drive is supposed to help facilitate the sale of more marketplace content, but if the entry price is $180 for a bigger hard drive then there is no incentive at all for people to buy this. Everything this hard drive is going to store is something you will have paid for, so why not set the price cheaper in hopes that more people will buy the bigger hard drive and more people will buy more stuff to put on that hard drive?
Blah! - EBFoxbat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49Where did you get a $200 1/2 TB 2.5" SATA drive?
- Grimdotdotdot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+40Congrats on using the same acronym twice and having it mean different things.
- GasPoweredGnome, on 10/12/2007, -32/+67"This is another place the PS3 shines."
Too bad its just terrible where it actually matters. Like you know, oh.. quality titles. - KingAdrock, on 10/12/2007, -18/+50"We will all know why PS3 is the leader this time next year."
Yea have fun folding proteins until then douchebag - Agret, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34and people don't complain about the price of a 64mb memory card? It's just a freaking flash drive.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+39Considering how we're not on a laptop, what's the point of using 2.5" drives in the first place? The DVD drive that the 360 uses isn't to a 2.5" spec and this isn't a laptop, what was the idea of using 2.5" drives in the first place?
- NSMike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32I don't know, I'd call $100 for the 20 GB a MUCH bigger rip-off at $5.00 per GB.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31I don't usually defend Microsoft but a $50 difference isn't a big deal. Let's face the facts here -- Microsoft is in this business to make money. If you bought a $400 console, a $50 live subscription, and $60 games then guess what? You'll pay the extra $50. If that makes you angry take a deep look into your soul and think about other hobbies you might enjoy besides video games because that's how the industry works. (don't forget your $100 wifi adapter while you're at the store)
- Yossarko, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29Do the retards who keep sprouting off "500gb for the same price" even know what the hell a laptop drive is ?
- ryllharu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Nice to see this is an exact copy of LACHRYMIST's buried post above. The question, ban just one of your accounts or both?
- MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -20/+39This is hilarious. People are actually defending MS. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136007 81 bux
- eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Your little sister must be a huge porn addict. Probably the Black Guys White Girls sites.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Vote with your wallets.
You really only need the 120 GB HD if you plan on doing the IPTV anyway, but if these things are not selling as well as they hoped, they will go down in price.
Besides, I would expect to see a price drop when the IPTV launches to entice people to go out and buy the drive and sign up for the service. - animalmuther76, on 07/30/2008, -12/+22yeah but nobody is forcing you to buy the extra drive are they? anyways 360 with 120gb HD is still $30 cheaper than cheapest PS3
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -28/+37For a notebook harddisk, this isn't terrible ... what's the complaint?
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9In a a word, yes. Microsoft locks the 360 to a specific model of HDD with a specific encoded drive header. You could change the drive, but only to another one with the same model, and you'd only get the exact same capacity (even with a bigger drive, the encoded and thus non-modifiable header limits the capacity the 360 'sees').
- coolusername, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Merchandising! Merchandising! Merchandising! We’ve got X-box the Breakfast Cereal... and X-box the Flamethrower!
- ddldave, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13i believe the ps3 allows you to do that
- christophocles, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Yeah, tell me again why It's worth it to pay $200 for a smaller, slower 5400 rpm 2.5" hard drive when I can buy a 7200 rpm, 500gb, 3.5" drive for $145 and a very nice esata/usb enclosure for an additional $50?
- AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -14/+22I know this won't be popular, but in their defense the system overall is still a good deal. If you want extra features that give it more value, then they charge a little more to make up some of their loss(on the console). That is the way the gaming industry has pretty much always worked. You sell the console at a loss (unless you are Nintendo) and then you sell accessories and games at a profit. It makes for low entry costs but you pay as you benefit from the device.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17Here's the thing: I want a bigger HD, but there's no way I'm making that deal. I'm annoyed because by offering a 120GB disk at the completely ridiculous price of $180, they've effectively not offered any upgrade path at all. The wifi adapter is the same situation. $100 for a wifi adapter is just nuts, so the XBox 360 effectively does not have a wifi option. What makes this all the more grating is that the damn thing has USB ports, and they're just refusing to let me use them.
- dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Aegis,
Yeah there are associated costs. They dope they make you smoke to where that $180 seems fair and reasonable is EXPENSIVE... - jon61575, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Why don't they just allow you to hook up an external hard dive through the USB port? You can already hook up an iPod or Zune and stream music, why not video from an external USB hard drive?
- Cam_86, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@caketank
No,what makes this irritating, is this stuff is MOSTLY being used to sell you other stuff. With a PC hard drive, the manufacturer does not know whats going to be used on it(Could be vista ultimate and a legit copy of PS2, could be all open source stuff). With a 120gig 360 drive, Microsoft knows it'll be filled up with the stuff they are selling you. You would think that would motivate them to make it initially cheaper. Maybe subsidize the cost, as they are all but guaranteed to make more money off you in the marketplace. - lolhax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Blah, just buy a cheap 2.5" Western Digital 120G drive and put it in your 360 using The Specialist's HDDHackr.
http://www.xbins.org/nfo.php?file=xboxnfo1565.nfo - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@diggfinity
Calling out the PS3 fanboy but not the dozens of Microsoft fanboys? Hmmmm
Anyway, I still have no problem paying more for my PS3 than I did my 360 in part because of the hard drive issue. If 60 gb is not enough for my PS3, then I can feel free to go out and buy whatever hard drive I want. I WAS going to buy the larger 360 hard drive, but not at that price.
Looks like I'll be spending more money on Sony content for my gaming systems than Microsoft since I'll actually have affordable space for it.
Let the digging down by fanboys begin! - sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12OP, I paid $200 for 2 400gb HDs, seems like you got even a ***** deal. Anyways can't compare laptop 2.5" drives to desktop 3.5" drives. Plus why use 3.5" drives when they suck up more power, required an external power connection.. 2.5" drives do not.
- razorsharp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I'm not okay with spending $100 on 20GBs, I think that's outrageous, just like I think $180 for 120GBs is outrageous. Really, this "upgrade" is for idiot kids who have to have the "latest and greatest." But really - this whole "Elite" thing makes the PS3 look really dammed good. It's same old Microsoft - the Microsoft that Halo fans have been saying had no influence on the games division (or Home and Entertainment or whatever they call it). This just proves that going the 360 route is the path to forced upgrades, whereas Sony is maintaining their previous extended support strategy. I don't care how much Microsoft can keep costs down on their console if they're just going to require expensive upgrades a year later. Windows users get screwed all the time, and now that XBox is gaining a stable place in the market its users are about to get screwed as well (hell, if you owned an original XBox you already got screwed).
I'm just tired of being told that I blew a bunch of money on my PS3 when every single person I know with a 360 has spent more money than me and the console still lacks many of the features my PS3 has. Eat your ***** words, the 360 is by far the most expensive console on the market right now. - ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It seems to me that every attachment for the 360 is more expensive than it should be - and all for the same reason: You've only got one place to buy it - Microsoft.
The 360 is basically a little pc - I see no reason why they shouldn't have a standard USB or SATA or IDE or whatever plugs on the machine so you can plug in any hard drive you want. Instead they'll create some jacked up plug so you'll have to buy their ***** and they can charge whatever they want with it.
Same holds true for their expensive wireless adapter.
Here are some PCI wireless network cards from Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=41&name=Wireless-Networking-Devices
Notice they are going for as low as $17.99. The absolute most expensive card is the Linksys version for $49.99
Here is an xbox 360 wireless adapter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874103016
Ummm.... this is $89.99 WHY exactly? Is the market for white plastic absurdly high right now?
Oh well as much as everyone says Live is so amazing I will not be paying for it because I'm not running wires all over hell to plug the thing in, and it is bad enough to pay $15 a month (on top of what I already pay for internet service) - AND I have to shell $90 for a flimsy piece of plastic? No thank you. - aegis9975, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14As people have pointed out you can buy a 2.5" HDD for $80; I'm sure MS gets it cheaper in bulk. However, I'm sure there are costs associated with the external HDD enclosure.
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The PS3 does. You can attach any 3rd party USB harddrive or Flash drive.
I have a 500gb USB Harddrive drive connected and it cost me way less than the X360 120gb.
I can't believe this forum and all these X360 users. They defend Microsoft for essentially overcharging them and forcing them to use proprietary accessories. - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13""This is another place the PS3 shines."
Too bad its just terrible where it actually matters. Like you know, oh.. quality titles. "
Funny, I've been have fun on quality PS3 titles. - yensed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Why is it so hard to find instructions on how to Mod the 360's HDD/Enclosure? For $120 you can get a 160GB notebook HDD off newegg. And its already possible to transfer all the data from the 360's HDD to a computer. It can't be impossible to remove the 20gb HDD from an enclosure and install a larger one.. Can it?
- shin_en, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I seem to find that if companies have to justify the price then it's overpriced
- melkore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5No but you can buy a $30 wireless bridge from newegg and plug a network cable into it and get a wireless connection.
- jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -44/+48@strictnein Who cares what they are using? People care that it's horribly overpriced and that MS doesn't give them another "choice." For example let the X360 users use the USB ports for storage.
- slickrick2k1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think the white one actually kinda looks better. You nerds need to stop arguing.
- ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7""I can get a 120GB hard drive at [insert store here] for have this price!""
Have this price? Idiot. - dragonopolis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Xbox 360 Elite with HDMI/HDMI cable 120gb HDD.....$479
HD-DVD....................... ....................................................$140
............................. ...............................................................------
Total (approx.)..................... .............................................$619
PS3 20gig (no wifi like Elite)HDMI no cable......................$499
ADD HDMI cable......................... ..........................................$10
ADD HDD upgrade 120gb Western Digital 5400rpm.....$100
............................. .....................................................................----
Total........................ ..............................................................$609
This puts it really close. I would say that Hardware wise PS3 has and advantage because it uses standard Sata drives For just a few bucks more I could have increased the PS3's drive to 160gb but I was trying to keep the systems as close as possible feature wise. As time goes on drives get bigger cheaper or both and PS3 owner will be able to immediately take advantage of market swings in HDD prices instead of waiting for the next SKU.
Just for curiosity, I wanted to add the WiFi adapter to my above Xbox 360 Elite.
Xbox 360 Elite with HDMI/HDMI cable 120gb HDD.....$479
HD-DVD....................... ....................................................$140
Wifi Adapter($85 seem like a decent average)..............$85
............................. .................................................................----
Total (approx.)..................... .............................................$704
PS3 60 gig w/wifi and HDMI w/no cable.............................$599
ADD HDMI cable......................... ...........................................$10
ADD HDD upgrade 120gb Western Digital 5400rpm......$100
............................. ......................................................................----
Total...................................................................................... $709
Interesting enough the Xbox 360 wins here but not by much. Sure I've seen the Xbox 360 wifi adapter for $79 here and there but a five dollar difference is not advantage especially since here or there PS3 users can find Hard Drive Deals that drop as much as $20 or for the same price increase their Hard Drive Space (I believe I found a Western Digital 160 GB for $100 plus $6 shipping).
Basically The sytems are tied. Xbox 360 fans claim freedom to choose to adopt New HD Disc technology to keep price down yet Microsoft has lock them out of freedom to choose Storage Capacity - which is important to the modern gamer or modern entertainment. PS3 fans are locked into Blu-ray regardless of the outcome but they do have quite a choice in Hard drive configurations and prices.
So what you have here is that neither Microsoft or Sony are as open as you my think. However, if given the choice to whether I wanted upgradeable Disc drive or Hard drive I personally would have to go with the ability to upgrade the hard drive.
But that's me........................... - jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm more of a PC gamer myself because RTS games are my favorite, but consoles are much better for group games, racing, and fighting games. Also I'd much rather play games on 65" HDTV than my 19" LCD. Secondly my PS3 is connected to my home audio system so I find myself using my PS3 much more for music than my PC. The other nice thing with the PS3 is I don't have to buy proprietary accessories, I have a 500gb USB drive connected from Lacie, and a Gyration wireless keyboard and mouse. Everything works great. So I'm not paying more for the accessories. I love to watch these X360 fans in this forum convince themselves that 120gb drive is a good deal.
- oldtimegamer, on 10/12/2007, -48/+51$200 for a hard drive? I paid that much for my 500gig.
- Hellmark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Look at it from this viewpoint. For a person who wants to buy a new 360, the Elite is $70 more, and with it you get 6x the storage capacity, plus HDMI support. That I don't think is all that bad. The only people it is going to suck for, is people upgrading existing 360s, because the extra price is getting tacked onto the already high $100 HD price, bringing the total cost of your unit up, without any extra features (the Core people are essentially getting hosed the worst that way, since they are still going to be paying that $470 price, but not getting the wireless controllers, HDMI, etc).
Another thing to consider, is that it is roughly $100 for a 120gig 2.5" drive (talking retail, not OEM), but you have to consider the extra cost of the external drive enclosure. Drive enclosures are typically $20 on up, but the cheaper ones suck *****, keeping the drive spinning constantly, etc.
I'm not saying $470 isn't expensive for a game system, but, it isn't out of line compared to the other 360s or PS3s. - Stopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Is this really that difficult? You paid for an internal 3.5" drive. They are using a 2.5" drive that is housed in an external powered enclosure. They are not the same."
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. We know what a laptop hard drive is. It's a little more expensive but not that much more (look at the comparable laptop drives in the article) and it's SATA which means it gets it's power from the computer. They actually save money because they don't have to include a power supply. They are charging 80 bucks for a drive caddy. - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It's so sad that so many people are actually defending Microsoft on this one. I'm beginning to wish I never bought a 360 if this is how it's going to be. If I'm going to spend that kind of money on gaming crap, I'm going to spend it on my games.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@C0lMustard:
The whole point here is that there's no *need* for these proprietary products. We have interconnect standards like SATA and USB, on top of which Microsoft is layering their own proprietary crap. That proprietary crap is there to support the higher prices, not the other way around. - eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You don't have to buy the xbox 360 wireless.
I'm using the old xbox wireless adapter on my 360. You can pick these up significantly cheaper.
Also, there are third party wireless adapters that can be used. However, I haven't done any price research on these. - jull1234, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hack hack.. http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox360-tools/HDDHackr.php
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