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- anasazi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27i think even they realize it'll be hacked again, and fixed, then hacked again, over and over. the idea is to patch it up and keep it unhacked for as long as possible so more developers might come onboard and make games for the xbox360. eventually it'll get to the point where it'll be hacked and microsoft won't do much about it, but only after the developers have already come onboard and all parties of made as much money as possible.
i'd bet few developers would be willing to develop for a new console if people had the ability to pirate their games within half a year of the console being released. - onceler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Ya, I'm sure Microsoft's "Security Team" would be the optimal game designers. It isn't like they are stealing developers away from Bungie or Sega or anything and forcing them to fix the potential security hole.
- longman2g, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21why should they waste time and resources making games if people are easily able to download them for free?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Why don't these companies just squirt some sort of thick gloopy resin all over the circuit boards of the console so you have to almost physically destroy it in order to get to the appropriate connectors and stuff to do any hardware MOD?
It wouldn't stop some extreme users, but 90% of ppl who would want to get their console modded would just give up. - Brady, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I don't understand why it is a waste of time for them to fix this...
It took them this long just to find a firmware hack on the dvd drive that required them to actually take the chip off the dvd drive and hook it up to a board just to flash the chip... Microsoft could easily just force an update to patch this and the security would still be as strong as release day. It could take hackers another 6 months before they find a better way in and this will be time for Microsoft to earn money on games.
The moment X360 security gets hacked in a way that is easy for casual gamers to play copies or downloaded games Microsoft will loose millions of dollars. I had a modded Xbox one and I know a good 10 friends of mine that did. Each of these systems probably had 25 games on each hard drive. Thats a lot of lost money. - brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8If you want to get on Live they can require the update. The can also do it PSP style where the newest games require the newest firmware versions.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11From the article: "Our security team is aware of this and we are investigating potential solutions to this issue. The Xbox 360 platform was designed to be updated, and we are prepared to respond appropriately should any unauthorized activity be identified."
Erm and this is big news why?
Did anyone actually think microsoft wouldnt respond to the hack? - echosierratwo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yawn...I like mine just the way it is.
- Ignathius, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16"Ya, I'm sure Microsoft's "Security Team" would be the optimal game designers. It isn't like they are stealing developers away from Bungie or Sega or anything and forcing them to fix the potential security hole."
that's just it. they're putting money into a team of people that's just wasting their time. they'd be better off using those funds on their *game devolopment team*, or putting it into other companies that makes games for the 360.
"why should they waste time and resources making games if people are easily able to download them for free?"
oh please. they've been using this argument for decades. piracy has gone up, yet i don't see any decrease in software releases. just accept that fact that a portion (a fairly small one at that) of your sales will be pirated, and stop wasting money on the minority. put that money back into the majority (people that buy games) and make those games better.
if you produce a ***** game, i'm much more likly to play a pirated copy for 2 days then throw it out.
if you produce a good game, i'm much more likly to buy it and add it to my collection of *good* games.
just because you can put a pressed CD on a store shelf, doesn't mean you desirve my money. - Brady, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13"if you produce a ***** game, i'm much more likly to play a pirated copy for 2 days then throw it out.
if you produce a good game, i'm much more likly to buy it and add it to my collection of *good* games."
I used to completely agree with this comment. I used to have a good 30 games on my xbox hard drive. Like you say... most of those games were just bad and didn't deserve my money. However there were a good 5-10 of those that I fell in love with and would say to myself "This is a game I need to buy" However time goes by and it just never gets put high on my shopping list.... If I've got it there to play, I'm not in a huge rush to run to the store and buy it.
This is several lost sales for the developers of these games. I KNOW Im not the only one like this. These companies have lost millions to people like me. I'm not proud of it... I don't own a modded xbox anymore.
I'm not going to be the one responsible for layoffs at a company when they may be letting go the next Hideo Kojima, Shigeru Miyamoto.... or... well I can't think of any big US game designers.... I'd say Peter Molyneux - but he never seems to deliver on his promises... anyway, I'm sure you get my point. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7" which if accurate could allow people to play illegally copied games"
As well as legally copied games.
Ah, well, same-old-same-old...the industry just not 'getting it'. - sasquatch98, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Sorry chief the DMCA was signed by a Democratic President Bill Clinton, check your facts next time.
- ymerej, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Of course it's a predictable response. I'm sure the engineers at MS probably ranged from "Wow, it's cool that they were able to figure this out" to "Holy ***** they cracked MY firmware protection code!", but the company has to put forward a face that lets people know that piracy and hacking their equipment isn't tolerated
I wouldn't be surprised if several of the Xbox core team members had a modded Xbox at home running XBMC. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7How can they require the update? Does live authenticate with your firmware or something?
- redcard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A required update? Hardly. You won't even know when it gets updated, I'd wager. Required means the at least call it something so you know it's going in. I'd wager this gets put onto some of the newer games and you don't even know when it comes into play. Not to mention Xbox live. To assume that Microsoft doesn't have a silent update/upgrade feature is silly.
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yea, predictable response and the 360 works fine for me as is
- hellb0y, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yup I like my xbox360 unmodded..
Actually I love it!
Oblivion rules!!! - number8888, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This will become that never ending cycle like the one Sony is having with the PSP. But since most Xbox360 is connected to the internet anyway for LIVE MS should be able to patch the system easily, which is of course bad news for hackers. It will be interesting to see how either side will be able to keep up.
- anasazi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3there is already a way to obtain "legal copies," and they cost on average $55 - $60 each at your local electronics store and they want to keep it that way.
- Zipp425, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3if only there was a way to check that you owned the backup...
- Brady, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I wasn't saying my friends or I would have bought all 25 of those games.... but of those games Im sure each of us would have bought about 5 of them. If you are telling me that every single person everywhere modding their xbox and not buying like 3-5 games because of it... thats not a lot of lost profits? When selling the console at a loss... every game sold makes a difference.
Remember in just purchasing the Modchip for $50 and a hard drive for approx $100..... that is three games right there that the person could have bought but instead they paid it to other people...
And CoffeeCup posted that comment as I was writing this one... he said it perfectly - onceler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5ignathius - you are making some incorrect assumptions in your arguments. You say, "that's just it. they're putting money into a team of people that's just wasting their time. they'd be better off using those funds on their *game development team*, or putting it into other companies that makes games for the 360." The assumption you make here is that this security team was put together for this security hole. While it hasn't been publicly stated, more than likely, this team was there from the beginning of the Xbox 360 development. Utilizing, or the lack of, is not going to affect the game development entities of Microsoft. They, most likely, are distinct units whose budgets have been set long before these security holes ever surfaced. On top of that, since Microsoft is a rather large company, they have the ability to throw money at a problem and not affect another portion of their business. Sure, in the past Microsoft has needed to pull developers from Windows Vista to assist with the security holes of XP, but those issues were on a much larger level than the issue at hand for the Xbox 360.
Secondly, you said, " '...Or so they can be ruined by cheaters and modders...' wow you're ignorant. please explain how getting a game for free, leads to people cheating and modding it more than if they had bought it?" You assumed tacroy (whom you quoted) was referring only to pirated games (nowhere did tacroy mention specifically about free games). He was simply stating that piracy isn't the only thing game developers need to worry about when it comes to security holes. If a hole appears that Microsoft does not fix, and that allows cheaters and modders onto Xbox Live; you will then see games begin to get ruined by cheaters and modders. Sure, the simple act of cheating or modding does not ruin a game, and many times enhances the game. Mixing cheaters/modders with regular users does have the ability to lessen the gaming experience. - merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Me along with alot of other people I'm guessing are not yet ready to crack open their 360 just yet anyways. Xbox LIVE is too good. When the prices go down or i start seeing them used for cheaper is when I'm ready to pick another one up to mod, and I'm guessing that wont be anytime soon.
- shuffle, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I call *****. So your buddies who have 25 pirated games would have went out and bought all 25 if they couldn't copy them? No way. If I couldn't run copied games I may have bought 3 or 4 of them. Its not nearly as much of a loss as you like to think it is...
- Brady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The creators of this current hack have said they will definately not have anything to do with releasing it in a form where the general public can make use of it.... However they said in the forums where they worked with others all the information is there to complete the hack...
So all its really going to take is someone with a really good understanding of the x360 and firmware hacks to make sense of everything in the forum then I'm sure it will be released for public use by that individual... But as the creators said, Im sure a few people will first release some 'brickware' just to have fun and ruin a few xboxs - fitzdingus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And would you and each of your friends have dropped hundreds of dollars apiece to get all those games if you couldnt get them for free? If you're the type of person that has that many pirated games, you probably dont have the funding/inclination to do pay. You aren't lost sales, you are increased content-viewership. For what its worth.
- sandrat44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Modders! There's good ones and bad ones! It is damned annoying when you're trying to play a good game and some wacko modder keeps ruining it for all! I quit quite a few games of Halo2 where damned modders were just walking through, blowing us up, and no matter how many plasmas or clips you emptied on them, they'd still be standing!
where as a good modder will bring to and add new features that all could enjoy.
If there could be a way to prevent the bad from ruining it for the rest of us, yet incorporating the good, I'd say make it so! - MikeKnoop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Half or more of the comments on the blog don't make sense, or share similar mindsets with the pro-RIAA/MPAA people. Last time I checked a technical blog community doesn't support any of this. Ideas?
-Mike - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, and I guess the waiting 6-8 weeks for turnaround doesn't cost you much either.
Game companies need to release games with a license that is good for all platforms. In this day of entire games being downloaded online, it makes more sense just to give a user a key to unlock the download of whatever version of the game he or she wants: Mac, PC, Xbox, xbox360, playstation 2, playstation 3.
I would certainly pay a little more for a key that let me download the game for multiple platforms (and re-download it later if need be) than have to circumvent copy protection for something I already own the rights to. - TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with you in sprit, Sniper, but 'tis sadly one of the most foolish things Bill did (just shy of oral in the oval, if you know what I mean - *nudge nudge, wink wink*).
One day we will be free of his mistakes (I HOPE!!!). - BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why is Microsoft concerned about this particular hack since the people who created it are not going to release it?
The hack that is released should be somewhat different from this one, right? - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I'm not going to be the one responsible for layoffs at a company when they may be letting go the next Hideo Kojima, Shigeru Miyamoto.... or... well I can't think of any big US game designers.... I'd say Peter Molyneux - but he never seems to deliver on his promises... anyway, I'm sure you get my point."
Not really. All of these game companies are making money by the tons. It sounds to me when and if they lay off people due to piracy they're just ***** us. They're laying off people to cut costs so they can make even more money. I'm sick of rich corporate people whining that they're not making as much money as they think should be. Why should I be forced to accomodate their greed? - rjcarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm afraid there are no legally copied games for the 360 or any console, as far as I know.
Almost all publishers will give you a brand new disc if the one you have is damaged ... just send the the original disc and they'll send you a new one, minus a few bucks for shipping maybe. - andreo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I compleatly agree with you Brady. I used to do the same thing. On top of that I would gather up as many games as I could because they seemed cool. The problem with that is, there's never enough time to play them all. So I would skim over some games that really deserved more of my time (and a purchase).
I want no part of any hacks for the 360 (or the PS3 or Revelution). I'll stick to renting and the games that I like I will purchase.
The DVD firmware hack that is coming out is nothing but a tool to pirate games. It serves no other purpose. - Mesach, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is why the second hand market will always get my game buying dollars.
and my music dollars,
and my software dollars. - blugu64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21.They don't make any money off content/viewership
2.Even if you are not likely to buy the games you downloaded, you are much much less likely to buy the games once you have downloaded them - Obsydian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The first two comments in that story made me laugh. What's up with people automatically assuming a modchip or hack is just so everyone can pirate games? I have a exploited my Xbox, but that's just so I could run mythTV on it. I'd love to do that with my 360. In this case, I'm hoping we can see some great homebrew running on a 360.
- Brady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also... I haven't been keeping up with the dvd hack over the past week. Has anybody created a solution to more easily flash the drive? I know when the hack was first created you had to actually take the firmware chip off the dvd circuit board... I didn't know if that had been changed yet.
If you still need to do that, I'm sure that MS still has plenty of time to work out a solution to this. - republicoftexas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Americans rarely make good games. Let the Japanese save the system."
All the Japanese have ever been good at is stealing other peoples ideas. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Portuguese / Brazilian : http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=315
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http://www.htk.com.br/ - TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Huzzaba? Is that a Myth front end, or a myth backend? And if it's just the front, why Myth instead of Xbox Media Center? Not really second guessing you, just pinging your thoughts. I've got mine set up with XBMC and it's working out real good for me. Can't wait 'till the 360 is modded properly, though. THAT should be sweet.
- echosierratwo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ultimately its "bottom line". Its going to affect theirs. I haven't done diligence on the security aspects of XB360 but I'm sure that it will be a battle between MS and The Hackers for sometime to come. Its going to be interesting to see who wins the war though.
- TrueVox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Now I'm hardly a Halo addict, but is it possible that the "Modders" you speak of are in all actuality simply fools with access to some modern day game genie? I don't really know too much on the subject, but it seems to me that if Microsoft really saw this happening, they'd be quick to eject people.
But, like I said, I'm not too experianced on this subject, so take with at least a grain or two of salt. - NJank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I made an XBox robot, but it lit my house on fire.
- XtremeBug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"wow you're ignorant.
please explain how getting a game for free, leads to people cheating and modding it more than if they had bought it?"
Only the main .xex file is signed, so even if you can't run unsigned code with the hacked firmware, you can still modify any of the unsigned media files before burning them to the disc. For example, default.xex (assuming that's it, since it was default.xbe for the first Xbox) will always be signed, but all the map files are unsigned to make things go faster. All you have to do is modify one of the map files, and you're able to cheat in the game, while still keeping the default.xex file signed, and being able to run the game without a modchip/being able to go on live undetected. - CoffeeCup, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Not a big loss Shuffle? Say 1 million people have a "Hacked" 360. Each one of them would have purchased 4 games had they not been able to DL 25 "free" (Stealing hurts society, thus you end up hurting yourself) games. 4 games at $50 a piece multiplied by 1 million equals $200 million. Your saying that $200 million is no biggy man? Get real.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1mistshadow2k4: I'm surprised you'd even acknowledge such ridiculous ignorance.
- agimat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"if you produce a ***** game, i'm much more likly to play a pirated copy for 2 days then throw it out.
if you produce a good game, i'm much more likly to buy it and add it to my collection of *good* games.
just because you can put a pressed CD on a store shelf, doesn't mean you desirve my money."
Yeah, because we all know that the majority of people who pirate games (and other software for that matter) end up paying for the good ones they've "tried". - tacroy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Right. They should stop wasting time on protection and spend more time on making good games!!!!!!
...So that they can just be copied and stolen because the lack of protection....
...Or so they can be ruined by cheaters and modders... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that's been hacked BTW... you can get around it on 1.5
*wonder how i know?*
GTA on 1.5.... Yeah -
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