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- neomits, on 10/12/2007, -9/+45Nice move on it including an HD DVD a remote. That increases my interest
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37It's equal pricing - but you don't have to buy the HD-DVD addon for the 360, do you?
Not only that, it'll probably drop in price as more players come out, and more HD-DVD movies come out. If the movies don't come out, then you don't have to buy it.
Ta-da. - hobbla87, on 10/12/2007, -12/+36what do you know, more than the ps3 now...
- starbird, on 10/12/2007, -11/+32this, in addition to the $400 (hard drive equipped) x-box makes this....
$600
This should slow the PS3 price bashing....
(or not) - n8r0n, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Not a bad price point, but I still don't like the idea of an external drive, just adds the clutter.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28Thank you for the option, Microsoft.
- neonic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26I just find it amusing that everyone is like "Oh man that is a great deal." Well think about it. As sporkwitch said, it is more expensive than the PS3. So when you look at it, with Xbox 360 you get a game console and a next gen DVD player. Now you look at the PS3 and you get: a more powerful gaming console, and a next gen DVD player that can hold twice as much data as an HD-DVD. I think this is a double standard.
- negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -9/+24The $200 hike is only for the *philes who just have to have that extra clarity in their videos. I have a 50" 1080p and I can say that you can barely see a difference between BluRay and regular DVD on it (I saw it on display on my exact tv at circuit city).
With Sony, they're forcing you to buy it. - fani, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Easy.
$600 bucks for PS3, 60GB HDD, free PS3 live, builtin Wifi, HDMI, Blu Ray, SD/Multimedia card slots - sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19Far as I'm concerned it's only a half-point in their favor. That price tag, even if you just count it at 150, puts it above the basic PS3 package, and only 50 below the good package (and the good package is well worth the money, especially if you run the math).
PS3 Basic: 499, 20GB HDD, BLU-RAY player
PS3 Good: 599, 60GB HDD, BLU-RAY player, media card readers (memory stick pro duo, SD, and one other, I forget which), and integrated wifi capability
X-Box 360: 399
X-Box 360 with HD-DVD player: 599, no media card readers, no integrated wifi (IIRC)
Admittedly the 360 DOES have a media center extender, which is just an insignificant piece of software that tells it how to access windows file sharing on your XP Media Center (and ONLY the Media Center Edition of XP) PC (a neat feature though, I'll admit, especially since I run my cable through my computer, not my tv, specifically for MCE).
The reason I do say it is in their favor is because they DO give you the choice. But most people (at least I think so) will make the choice to upgrade. I know I probably would, if I were on the HD-DVD side of the fence (I personally prefer BLU-Ray, but I've also heard less about HD-DVD than BLU-Ray). - ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21that is actually a pretty good deal. upon first read of the headline i was thinking "ouch" but to see that you also get a remote and a DVD i know i will be purchasing one.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25"that is actually a pretty good deal. upon first read of the headline i was thinking "ouch" but to see that you also get a remote and a DVD i know i will be purchasing one."
Congratulations. You're exactly why companies bundle stuff. - kbrower, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18to me both blu-ray and hd-dvd are a waste of money
- verifex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I belong on the gunna-wait-this-out, bandwagon still. When HD-DVD takes off, or whatever then count me in, until then I'll be happy with my DVDs.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12In 2012 you're probably going to be watching SUPERHD-DVD MAX ALPHA++ on your XBox720. I wouldn't worry about it too much :)
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16True, but the HD-DVD drive is optional. If you don't want it, you aren't forced to buy it (as you are with Blu-Ray). Sony is attempting to cram Blu-Ray down everyone's throats by using the PS3 as a Trojan Horse to get it into your living room.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@angelp
The fallacy in your argument is that Sony is not forcing Blu-Ray on you for movies, they are simply using Blu-Ray for their games and the fact that it can play Blu-Ray movies is a bonus. Games like Resistance: Fall of Man are already using upwards of 20GB, only possible on a hi density medium like Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. If Blu-Ray wins out, bonus - you have a Blu-Ray player. If it doesn't, you only lose something if you buy Blu-Ray movies (I will rent, personally).
The morale of the story is this: While the success of Blu-Ray could be dependent on the PS3, the success of PS3 as a gaming machine are in no way tied to the success of Blu-Ray as a movie format. - oGMo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17@sporkwitch: Yeah. Also don't forget, the PS3 has HDMI (both models now), and most importantly for the immediate future, games can take advantage of the increased capacity of Blu-Ray. And it will output native 1080p, whereas the upcoming 360 patch will merely upscale.
- chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@aeproberts
Sony has $9B in cash in the bank - I would hardly call that "financial troubles." Sure, they have stumbled as of late, but they have a buffer. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Problem is, most gamers only want 2 things from Sony:
-Unified ID
-Free online play
If they offer that, many people will think long and hard about paying $50 a year for Live. - pyrates, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8And I wonder how long it will take the hardware hacking community to mod this so that you can hook it up to your PC instead of having to pay a grand for a HDDVD drive for the pc.
- djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16If you look at the price in terms of the first-run pack-ins (and assuming you actually *want* both of them), the drive is only $144. Not a bad deal at all.
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I agree hobble, but the fact that it is seperate really helped the 360.
- pathy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11You know the best thing about it?
It's £130 in the UK, not £200. Hoo-rah. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"Sony says, OK! $439 PS3, HDMI, HDD, and Blu-Ray in the box."
Only if you live in Japan, genius. - stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"PS3 (incl. Blu-Ray and free online play) = $600"
Actually, that's only $500. - aeproberts, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I don't want Blu-ray or HD-DVD until one wins.
360 (going down to 349.99) + Live = $400
PS3=$600
plus it is all good that online is free, but the PS2 online system sucked. I am staying away from the PS3 until the online service proves itself. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12360+HD-DVD+Live =$650
PS3 (incl. Blu-Ray and free online play) = $600
Can people stop bitching about the price of the PS3 now? - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The first one to have a $99 player will win. The formats are similar enough to where it won't matter to the consumer. They just don't want to have to shell out $500 for a player.
- oGMo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@rileyjt: Cutting cost is only half the story. You will rarely if ever get games that come on HD-DVD. I'm not sure this is even an option, but let's say it is for the sake of argument. Developers are simply not going to invest in building all the high-def content and extra maps and code---what essentially is another version of the game---for the increased capacity of HD-DVD for a very small population. It's already bad enough they can't rely on everyone having a hard drive.
Of course, if it's not an option, then you're just screwed anyway; even if for the sake of argument the 360 is just as powerful as the PS3, you're lacking the capacity to take advantage of it. - daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Add ons such as this one do not pay the higher import tarrifs that game consoles pay.
- jizzatch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It looks like most of these comments miss a major point. It is not just about 360 v. PS3, but it's also about 360 w/ HD-DVD vs. BD or HD-DVD stand alone player. There are many out there that already have a 360 and are considering a standalone BD or HD DVD player, which cost between $500-1000. For those that already have a 360, it is much more economical to get the addon for $200 for the 360, than to buy the standalone player.
- cal01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
(But seriously, there's probably less PS3 fanpeople than the others.) - aeproberts, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10The HD-DVD will not be used for games at all. It is just a cheap alternative to buying an actual player. The PS3 is forcing everyone to have the technology even if they don't want it.
I have no desire to by the HD-DVD or Bluray until i figure which one will end up winning. I would rather wait and see. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@sakuraz
nah, its not the same thing, at least with blue ray you'll get something new. If you commit to your girlfriend you lose your soul. - aeproberts, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just movies accoridng to MS
- s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5dj interface footage showed up recently, but it was rough... over the half of the features weren't even enabled/mocked-up... it's virtually identical to the PSP interface...
- wurzelgummage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Only a fool developer who wanted to lose money would make their games require the HD-DVD drive. Unless they made a specific FMV filled type of game, for those customers.
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10What some of you guys are forgetting (now that the 360 has an HD-DVD drive and is now on par with the cost of the PS3) is that not EVERY 360 owner is going to buy this. What do you think is the overall percentage of households that even own an HDTV? Although I'm sure it looks good...I'm not willing to spend an extra $200 on a console (let alone a couple thousand dollars for the TV itself) just to see a marginally prettier picture. At least not yet, anyways.
I'm waiting for a large HDTV screen to come waaaay down in price before I get one and I'm sure there are millions of people that think just like me. Until then I'll keep playing my 360 hooked up to my 19 inch LCD monitor. HD gaming on the cheap.
PS: Who says which format is going to win, anyway? As far as I can tell, Sony doesn't exactly have the best record for media formats. - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Digital download of HD movies is not going to be popular until the bandwidth is there. Bittorrent of double-compressed HD video is a pain so far, and with download you always have the possibility of accidentally deleting your purchase. D-VHS probably should have taken off since you can record and play through firewire, but people are used to their shiny discs.
- piratearggghhh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10It's more about choice for people who actually want a HD player. For the majority of people with standard def sets have no need for HDDVD and saves them $200 instead of bundling a BR player.
- petrman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Oh and I like my controllers to shake dammit
- WhereAmI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4wasn't there an article on digg that actually SHOWED PS3's getting packed?
hmm that seems like proof that some are done, and are in the packaging.
today is september 27th, practically october, PS3's will be shipped from the factory near end of oct or early nov and end up in stores around nov 10th
PS3 is coming. Deal with it.
*Note: Blu-Ray has Disney, a HUGE market there. - angelp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9What so many people fail to realize is that Microsoft is not forcing you to pay for their next-gen format....Sony is. You have no choice but to pay the premium for a format that may not win. At least you have a choice with the 360.
- AlexMax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Looking at Sony's track record for the PS2, a functional operating system doesn't do a whole lot when you have to replace your system every year or two.
- s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9functional operating system... i don't get it, is this some stab at Windows 95 or something...
BTW how do you know its functional, seeing how its not out yet? - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The PS3 can run Linux. (and there are rumors they will ship the Linux distro with every PS3)
- s-m-a-c-k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4if MS is smart I bet there will be a Vista driver that supports it, they did this with the Live Camera and the Joysticks (native PC Support, that is). It will be the greatest business move to push the HD-DVD format...
- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5HD-DVD really does have a name advantage over Blu-Ray.
I didn't think so at first, but I've seen lots of people (and news articles) confuse the two. They say stuff like "PS3 has an HD-DVD drive" or "Sony calls their HD-DVD format 'Blu-Ray' " - CarbonEclectic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I know that it's just aesthetics, but my real gripe with the HD-DVD drive is that it really just doesn't look good alongside the 360 and even though the 360 can output to 1080p with the new software update, it's still not as high a quality as an HDMI connection. I hope that Microsoft releases a new 360 with HDMI and integrated HD-DVD, THAT would be worth a 600 dollar price tag, not a 400 dollar console with a 200 dollar peripheral.
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