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- Primatelord, on 05/23/2008, -25/+223I'm going to go out on a limb here, but if there are basically a couple cutscenes the length of a feature film, it might explain why they had trouble fitting everything into a Blu-Ray disc....
- taosd, on 05/23/2008, -5/+98Actually, the cut-scenes are rendered by the in game engine, not video clips... so, they shouldn't have that significant of an impact on the size of the game. It's the audio that is a filthy whore in this, as all that talking will take up space, but as far as the animation goes, they should just have to render the scenario with the in-game character models.
Though, you didn't say it was specifically because of video that the game would be huge, I just assumed as much, so if that's not the case and my assumption is wrong, I apologize.- g00ee, on 05/23/2008, -3/+74dugg for calling the audio a "filthy whore"
- sparksalot, on 05/23/2008, -5/+31dugg because you are sane and understand how it works :)
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -3/+42Perhaps they could start having the CPU render voice? I mean, between Alex in OSX Leopard and Microsoft Sam, I think we could have a decent cast of voice actors.
SNAKE, MY ROFLCOPTER GOES SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI SOI- sparksalot, on 05/24/2008, -0/+0dugg for arby and the chief reference
- jabelar, on 05/24/2008, -7/+2You know we're not far off from feature animated films to be able to be rendered in real-time. The cool thing is that you would then be able to configure it how you liked it before you viewed it -- choose the face for the main character, etc.
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7Pixar's films take about 6 hours to render per frame, and they are doing it on this:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/43/85940485_a63a57a ...
So yes, we're real close to real-time rendering ;-) - potofgravy, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1That being said though, Pixar don't spend all their time creating software to lessen render times.
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+7Pixar's films take about 6 hours to render per frame, and they are doing it on this:
- Philbert, on 05/25/2008, -2/+2"but as far as the animation goes, they should just have to render the scenario with the in-game character models."
I sure hope not. As a pro 3D artist myself I hated when they started using in-game art for FMVs. To me the FMV was like a reward for getting that far in the game. If the "reward" is low poly, non-rendered, shots then I feel let down.- asforme, on 05/26/2008, -1/+2Oh, come on and admit it. You're just afraid that in game renderings will replace you. Don't worry, all of us will be replaced by friendly robots soon enough.
- osrevad, on 05/23/2008, -0/+40With that many cutscenes that long, I just hope they give a fair bathroom break warning beforehand.
- jasnmb, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6looks like you can pause them:
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049
- jasnmb, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6looks like you can pause them:
- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -26/+7http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/9253bab76 ...
There's no 90 minute scene.- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -3/+27What the *****, why did that URL get posted? *****.
Here's the link I meant to post http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049- Zarokima, on 05/23/2008, -24/+3Apparently you didn't read the article you linked to.
"How lengthy? Try 90 minutes. And that's not 90-minutes in total, that's a 90-minute cutscene." - pixelate, on 05/23/2008, -1/+12@ Zarokima:
Apparently you didn't read past a paragraph of it!
- Zarokima, on 05/23/2008, -24/+3Apparently you didn't read the article you linked to.
- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -3/+27What the *****, why did that URL get posted? *****.
- antiorblkflag9, on 05/24/2008, -4/+22Don't care, every MGS cut scene so far has been pure gold.
- mikephimikephi, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5The death of the DARPA cheif in MGS on PS1 will never be beat!
Nobody has any eyeballs and all emotion is portrayed by shaking the camera, but dammit, that cutscene is awesome!- antiorblkflag9, on 05/24/2008, -1/+3Damn you FoxDie
- mikephimikephi, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5The death of the DARPA cheif in MGS on PS1 will never be beat!
- Zlorp, on 05/24/2008, -15/+9Sony told them to so that someone could actually say that they needed a blu-ray disc for something.
- lartones, on 05/24/2008, -3/+1M$ didn't have to tell HD-DVD to fill up the disc because it was to busy fading away because of the lack of use!
- Nobi-Wan, on 05/24/2008, -0/+8MGS3 had about 3 and a half hours of total cutscenes. That fit on to a DVD.
- jett, on 05/24/2008, -12/+24and this is the other reason why MGS4 can't be ported to the Xbox 360. Users will get the RROD before the cutscene is done.
- antiorblkflag9, on 05/24/2008, -4/+2I get them randomly sometimes just trying to turn on my 360
- ericrous, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1With cutscenes that long, users may well die of old age before the cutscene is done.
- DrZmobie, on 05/24/2008, -2/+4Actually its the audio that takes up the space. Kojima refuses to compress it because he wants the full quality of it.
- brettmurf, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2So...like, what does that mean? High Quality mp3? Flac? Wav(god, that would be wasteful)? pretty much any format will involve compression. I am just quite curious how anal he is about it, and will not bother researching beyond your comment.
- Yoshi39, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4Acctualy flac is lossless meaning data is only compressed never deleted as opposed to for example mp3s
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Flac is still way bigger than say mp3.. But loads smaller than raw ..
- brettmurf, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2So...like, what does that mean? High Quality mp3? Flac? Wav(god, that would be wasteful)? pretty much any format will involve compression. I am just quite curious how anal he is about it, and will not bother researching beyond your comment.
- MyDiggIsBig, on 05/24/2008, -3/+4The video game industry is evolving. Lines have not been set, but a new genre of video games will sooon emerge. Writers will finally find a place in video games like they have in movies. if you think about it, we are only are the birth of the video game industry, about 30 years or so. We are at the same stage where movies were in 1940s or so. Look how far we have come in that area.
- taosd, on 05/23/2008, -5/+98Actually, the cut-scenes are rendered by the in game engine, not video clips... so, they shouldn't have that significant of an impact on the size of the game. It's the audio that is a filthy whore in this, as all that talking will take up space, but as far as the animation goes, they should just have to render the scenario with the in-game character models.
- Anorhc, on 05/23/2008, -37/+28"The good news is that you can now skip or pause the scenes."
You can "now" skip or "pause" the scenes? It's been there in all the Metal Gear Solid games, why wouldn't it be in this one? I'm amazed that Kojima is taking his movie ambitions this far. I mean, the guy has been wanting to get into the movie business for quite some time, I guess this is his start at it. I don't mind it one bit, since I'm mostly in it for the story full of ***** and plot-twists. I also don't recall Kojima using FMV; His track record shows him using real-time cutscenes entirely (as if the trailers for the game didn't emphasize that enough).- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -1/+67You couldn't pause cut scenes in the last 3 MGS games.
- Anorhc, on 05/23/2008, -5/+9I stand corrected. At least the skip part was there.
- DivisibleByZero, on 05/23/2008, -2/+9I hope you can save it in the middle of them as well.
- whytey, on 05/24/2008, -2/+1imagine if you cant : O
- ahawks, on 05/23/2008, -13/+7So you LIKED the ***** ending that was MGS2?
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -9/+7Hey I liked it and it does make sense...You just have to play it at least three times to figure out, which I'm assuming is the point of owning a game: to play it more than once.
- omgTHEPATRIOTS, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4I enjoyed it alot!
- fadetoone, on 05/23/2008, -3/+12I just hope they ask me to save right before the cut-scenes. What happens if I'm in the middle of a long cut-scene when I realize I have to leave and not turn it back on for a week?
- Plezops, on 05/24/2008, -0/+9thats pretty poor planning on your part then, 'cause I generally know when I am leaving for a week :D
- kuujjuaqguy, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4Then you get to enjoy the magic of MGS4 all over again. ;P
- Someprogr, on 05/23/2008, -21/+7dugg down and reported for being a tool: There is no way to pause cutscenes in any MGS games.
- solidus636, on 05/24/2008, -6/+4Idiot.
RTFA.- Someprogr, on 05/24/2008, -6/+4Idiot, read the ***** parent post:
"You can "now" skip or "pause" the scenes? It's been there in all the Metal Gear Solid games, "
- Someprogr, on 05/24/2008, -6/+4Idiot, read the ***** parent post:
- DforSpiD, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3By your logic I should probably report your comment as you are clearly a tool
- solidus636, on 05/24/2008, -6/+4Idiot.
- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -1/+67You couldn't pause cut scenes in the last 3 MGS games.
- santasing, on 05/23/2008, -16/+66I am so excited for this game now. For me, the story is the most important part and this shows that a lot of care has been given to the story in this game.
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -21/+14So then you'll watch the multiple hour and a half long cutscenes to their completion then? Give me a break. I mean, it's good the story is not being forgotten, but still...... multiple 90 minute cutscenes? That's crazy.
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -18/+5...Dude your old.
- punkcat, on 05/23/2008, -1/+12it's his old?
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Yeah, it's my old. Ha. And no, I'm not, unless you're comparing my practically retirement-worthy 20 years with your...... well, probably less than 20 years.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Xenosaga 3 had 8 hours of cut scenes I've played though the game 2x, I will admit that I'm a bit crazy too
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -18/+5...Dude your old.
- NiGHTSChao, on 05/23/2008, -9/+21***** seriously!?
I can't agree with you more
I wish there were more people like you in the gaming industry, people who actually GIVE A ***** about the storyline, one of the most important factors in games like this- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -2/+17Played Bioshock? Mass Effect? GTA? There's hope for story in video games!! Thankfully.
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5Most games try to relay story in a way that doesn't leave you watching cutscenes. Games like Bioshock, Half-Life and GTA, not to mention countless RPGs where the story is uncovered throughout gameplay, rather that play a bit, now here's some story, now play some more, here's more story...
- Tayls, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Kojima sees it the same way. I think the more people use gaming as a medium for affecting people, instead of just a distraction, the more seriously it will be taken in the future. Not saying all games have to be like that, but I certainly enjoy the ones that do.
- SoulGrub, on 05/25/2008, -3/+0Except Kojima writes cheesy, melodramatic, sophomoric crap which doesn't help games to be taken seriously. To drag it out so incredibly long makes it even more unbearable. This is based on MGS 1 & 2
- staffell, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5what about people who only want to play in short bursts? - once they hit a cutscene, it'll be like "aww ***** it, I hope it's not a movie like the last one - I don't have time for this"
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Not that i don't like good stories but a 90 minute cut-scene (and there's more than one?) sounds like I could be turned off by that..
Its a video game. I'd like to play it for the most part.. - Robbothehood, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0A lot of gamers care about the storyline. Thing is most games either have little to no regard for it, or the game itself takes a backseat to the storyline. Both of these are failures to incorporate a story into a game. I enjoy MGS, but 90 minutes for a single cutscene is definitely venturing from a reasonable marriage of gameplay and storyline.
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Not that i don't like good stories but a 90 minute cut-scene (and there's more than one?) sounds like I could be turned off by that..
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -21/+14So then you'll watch the multiple hour and a half long cutscenes to their completion then? Give me a break. I mean, it's good the story is not being forgotten, but still...... multiple 90 minute cutscenes? That's crazy.
- shinythingy, on 05/23/2008, -18/+11strangely this is making me want to get the game. I don't know why.
- Gravey9, on 05/23/2008, -3/+11i don't know why either to me it just seems like overkill.
- CanIGetAWitness, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1I guess it's because you want to watch a game instead of play it.
- Spudster, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now...
- Menace1, on 05/23/2008, -16/+14Sounds like this could be the first true full cinematic/interactive experience, I'm genuinely excited. Must be sure to have my popcorn and soda supply stocked.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1Xenosaga
- ButchersBoy, on 05/27/2008, -0/+3"first true full cinematic/interactive"?
90 min cutscene != "interactive"
- DanteDefiance, on 05/23/2008, -74/+299I'm going to be terribly buried for this but, ***** 90 minute cut scenes. I love MGS with passion, however I'm not about to sit through 90 minutes of a video game and not play it. I buy video games to enjoy the game play. If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. Granted MGS is probably the only game where I don't mind watching the story unfold...still this is ridiculous. As a gamer I'm going to have to pass on this for now.
- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -3/+65I thought MGS2 was ridiculous with it's 3 minute gameplay, 15 minute cutscene pattern. Hopefully the 90 minute scene is just the ending.
- djdingo, on 05/23/2008, -3/+16I agree with you, I just recently played and completed MGS2 for the first time last week. There were times where it seemed like there was more cutscenes than gameplay. It got old quickly.
The part I especially hated was the plant section when you would save the game and that girl would whine and whine to you, "still don't remember what April 30th is?" No bitch, shut up and let me get back to PLAYING the game.- punkcat, on 05/23/2008, -0/+15they said "several" 90 min scenes, which is scary.
a 90 min one at the end? awesome though. its the ones you get to when you just feeling like playing that are going to suck. hopefully there is a gallery where yo can go back to the scenes after skipping.
- punkcat, on 05/23/2008, -0/+15they said "several" 90 min scenes, which is scary.
- djdingo, on 05/23/2008, -3/+16I agree with you, I just recently played and completed MGS2 for the first time last week. There were times where it seemed like there was more cutscenes than gameplay. It got old quickly.
- loganhid, on 05/23/2008, -26/+11''As a gamer I'm going to have to pass on this for now''
No you won't- joeyjoejoe99, on 05/23/2008, -6/+20Yes, we will.
- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -6/+6Any self respecting gamer with a ps3 can't pass on this.
- DforSpiD, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6What if they haven't liked the previous MGS games?
Is a gamer not allowed to have a mind of their own?
A gamer should play games they like, not just games that are popular...
- DforSpiD, on 05/24/2008, -1/+6What if they haven't liked the previous MGS games?
- skipdog172, on 05/23/2008, -17/+8Passing up on the game, even when you can skip the cut scenes that you hate so much? Jeez.
I can see why games have not advanced that far, when making a more elaborate and deep story(that can even be ignored if one so chooses), causes folks to NOT buy the game.
Pathetic.- Jason540i, on 05/23/2008, -4/+14It's not about a deep or developing story, its about PLAYING the game. I buy games to interact with them. If I want watch the story unfold I'll watch a movie. If I want to experience the story unfold then I'll play a good game.
- BoonTobias, on 05/24/2008, -4/+2you can do both here, noob
- Synn, on 05/23/2008, -1/+12A 90 minute cutscene doesn't advance games...you want to know why? Because there is no GAMEPLAY to watching a cutscene. So you can get off your high horse.
- darthdusty, on 05/23/2008, -0/+2Agreed, 90 minute cut scenes are actually a step back in the evolution of gaming. In an alternate universe where Half Life doesn't exist I could see the need for cut scenes that long only if its sole purpose was to move the story along. However we don't live in that universe, so there is no excuse whatsoever to have a cut scene that long. I love MGS, and yeah I'll play it eventually, but damn, is there really a need for a cut scene that long? And maybe it's just me, but MGS4 looked a little bit like Half Life 2 in the way the story is told. Personally I thought this would be the game with the least cut scenes in the franchise but I guess not.
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1you havent even PLAYED it yet! ...im getting dumber reading this. peace.
- Jason540i, on 05/23/2008, -4/+14It's not about a deep or developing story, its about PLAYING the game. I buy games to interact with them. If I want watch the story unfold I'll watch a movie. If I want to experience the story unfold then I'll play a good game.
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -15/+3...How old are you? 30? Or 13? I have to ask because those are the only two types of gamers that would not like that kind of thing. At least MGS4 is moving away from the typical game that "everyone likes". Otherwise you obviously are not the target demographic.
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -1/+5Dude, we've come to expect games that are interactive. A good game can very successfully incorporate story into the gameplay itself, such as the Half Life games. A game that has the player sit through a 90 minute cutscene is really pushing the definition of "game." I loved MGS2 and MGS, but cut scenes that are too long might make me think twice about playing 4 as soon as I can afford whatever system it's on.
However, it should be noted that Kojima likes to work in postmodern elements in the Metal Gear Solid series. Perhaps the long cutscenes are meant to make us wonder what exactly games are supposed to be. - BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1I've been turned off by final fantasy cut-scenes before.. I doubt I will like 90 minutes ones..
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -1/+5Dude, we've come to expect games that are interactive. A good game can very successfully incorporate story into the gameplay itself, such as the Half Life games. A game that has the player sit through a 90 minute cutscene is really pushing the definition of "game." I loved MGS2 and MGS, but cut scenes that are too long might make me think twice about playing 4 as soon as I can afford whatever system it's on.
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/23/2008, -35/+16look at the hardcore xbox fans digging him up for "passing on this". bs and we all know it.
- BoonTobias, on 05/24/2008, -9/+3amen
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -1/+1Just by saying this you're showing your fanboism.. no one said the game would suck.. but 90 minute cut-scene(s).. get real.
- mnemy, on 05/23/2008, -1/+11I'll admit that at times, I got annoyed with how much the jabbered on in MSG2, but I still thought it was a great game. 90 minutes seems entirely too long for me, but hell, I'll give it a shot. The game looks fantastic.
- MasterPain, on 05/23/2008, -4/+5Way to pull you out of the action, I skip some of the cut scenes in gta4 because i wanna play not watch some boring dialog. I dont care if the cut scenes are 15 min. thats to long.
- bjs3171, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1i'm not too far into gta yet, but i think the cut scenes are quite compelling, with excellent voice acting.
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1And not even close to 90 minute.
Also in GTA, you'll be driving, and get a call from a friend, just the continue the story line.. you are still "doing" something at least, driving someplace or whatever.. mixes it it this way.. you get email too..
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1And not even close to 90 minute.
- bjs3171, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1i'm not too far into gta yet, but i think the cut scenes are quite compelling, with excellent voice acting.
- OhFrak, on 05/23/2008, -17/+2Everyone laugh at the moron DanteDefiance.
Dimwit are you so dumb you didn't bother to think for a second that this is completely bogus?
Congrats *****, your gullibleness got a bunch of diggs from bitter Xbox fanboys...- sleepwalkers, on 05/24/2008, -0/+5You're the one that sounds like the fanboy, y'know.
- Konstantino, on 05/23/2008, -2/+6Get buried? For expressing your opinion? Of course not! Not on digg!
...Haha...ha...ha... - dgaspard, on 05/23/2008, -4/+6Seriously I quit MGS after part 2 because of the cut scenes. I'm with you. I'd rather play barbie's play house.... OK, maybe not that. But something almost as bad.
- birch25, on 05/23/2008, -2/+990 minutes does sound crazy, but i've been playing through MGS3 this past week to get ready for the game and i timed one of the cinematics about 2/3 of the way through the game and it was almost 30 minutes long. it sure as hell didn't feel like it. i haven't gotten to the ending cinematic but it has got to be at least 40 minutes. that thing goes on and on (i love it though).
at this point, fans of the series know what they're getting into. if someone hasn't liked the 50% movie/50% gameplay nature of the metal gear solid series then i don't see why anyone would expect that to change in this entry in the series.
i think a 90 minute cinematic is a crazy idea, but crazy is just the nature of the the MGS series. - ajb2015, on 05/24/2008, -5/+1hopefully you can skip them.
- Whaines, on 05/24/2008, -1/+4hopefully you can read.
- Ozzy73, on 05/24/2008, -1/+7I really don't mind as long as there is some action in the cut scenes that keep me hooked. I would hate it to be a 90 minute CODEC conversation with Otacon.
- chaosatom333, on 05/28/2008, -0/+1The article is inaccurate.
None of the cut scenes are near 90 minutes.
Don't let rumors keep you from enjoying the Game of the year contender.
- mywhitenoise, on 05/23/2008, -3/+65I thought MGS2 was ridiculous with it's 3 minute gameplay, 15 minute cutscene pattern. Hopefully the 90 minute scene is just the ending.
- OnlyGirlOnDigg, on 05/23/2008, -5/+97Isn't the main difference between a video game and a movie interactivity?
- mlrigsby, on 05/23/2008, -9/+18Movies usually have better writing, acting, directing, and editing too.
This is gross.- punkcat, on 05/23/2008, -1/+10tell that to uwe.
- Haoie, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1Then there are interactive movies, which never caught on at all.
- meisalex, on 05/24/2008, -7/+1dood you can skip the cut scenes okay? learn how to appreciate and you will live happier.
- JudgeMonkey, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Yes, then at the end when you are suddenly fighting someone you've been playing through the whole game with, while he prattles on about something you have absolutely NO idea about and the ending is you and him going on a panty raid through a senior citizens' home, where will you be then?
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Skipping is really the only "solution" but not a very good one.. Its not that we don't want to watch cut-scenes.. we just don't want to watch for that long..
- JudgeMonkey, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Yes, then at the end when you are suddenly fighting someone you've been playing through the whole game with, while he prattles on about something you have absolutely NO idea about and the ending is you and him going on a panty raid through a senior citizens' home, where will you be then?
- bjs3171, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2seems like this will be a blending of the two mediums. that should be encouraged, he's trying something new.
- Robbothehood, on 05/27/2008, -0/+0He's not not blending at all, he's pasting large pieces of each one together. MGS is hardly alone on the forefront of blending games and film, and this is a step (a very large one) in the wrong direction.
- khyberkitsune, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1How much it costs and how long the experience lasts are the main differences.
- mlrigsby, on 05/23/2008, -9/+18Movies usually have better writing, acting, directing, and editing too.
- Fedallah, on 05/23/2008, -66/+129Yay! 180+ minutes of worthless directing and stilted dialogue! Thanks for saving me sixty bucks, Kojima. Maybe you'll be able to cram your entire ego on the next optical storage format.
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -5/+19Yeah, there will never be an optical format that can store his ego. And i LOL at the thought of watching multiple 90 minute cutscenes that are initially Japanese. They can do the best job in the world at translating it to English, but it will still end up being awkward and invariably funny as a result.
- sat0shi, on 05/24/2008, -1/+8As a video game translator I weep at this comment. :(
Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to translate any MGS game (although, I have worked with the guy who translated the first MGS) or I would take that as a challenge to prove you wrong.
Oh well, good video game localization is still a new concept. Half the time we are given half-assed source documents to work with, with little to no context and length restrictions that are just ridiculous. If we can get the game companies to provide us with better source documents, and more time to thoroughly research the games we are translating, we might be able to get better localizations out there for you all to play and enjoy.- ferrariman60, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4I'm not saying it's due to a bad translation job. I was getting at they would get a perfect translation and it would still be awkward because of the differences between Japanese and American cultures. There are vast differences there that a perfect language translation can't fix. I mean, maybe there is a way to fix them, I'm not saying they're "All your base" grade, but the cultural difference...... I don't know, japanese movies and such always seem a bit strange to me because we hold different ideals.
- sat0shi, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1Of course, the cultural difference is a major factor and we try to eliminate that if at all possible when localizing a game. For example, I worked on the localization for the game "WTF" on the PSP. There were so many cultural Japanese jokes in that game, and we basically had to re-write the entire script (not translate it) and think of jokes that an American/Western audience would enjoy and find funny. Sometimes it's impossible to do this, but I'm not sure if MGS has all that many cultural quirks in it for it to be unable to convert into an entertaining story for Westerners to enjoy as well.
Oh well, it's an interesting topic... Thanks for bringing it up. :)
- sat0shi, on 05/24/2008, -1/+8As a video game translator I weep at this comment. :(
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/23/2008, -11/+12wow. mgs has always been a cinematic experience. granted 90 minutes is quite long but it's probably the ending as i've heard it's quite lenghty. to bash a great director like Kojima because you dont like his work is ***** low.
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -4/+5Ok, the ending. That's one. If you didn't notice from the first paragraph of the article, the game reportedly has "cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark."
So, where else is one? The intro? ***** that, I'm not gonna run out, buy a $60 game, and then put it in and wait an hour and a half to play it. Will you?- AvidPreatorian, on 05/23/2008, -8/+3you're trusting an article to tell you how to SPECULATE about the game? wow man, now i understand why we're having this convo. maybe try playing the game before listening to some reviewrs exagurating about it.
i have read a review of it and the beggining isnt long, in fact the review ive read doesnt even talk about cut scenes that long (except for ending). but anyway, i have an idea of what kind of guy you are so belive what u want kid. - ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -3/+3I agree, it's speculation, but please don't use the word "convo" and then refer to me as "kid." It kind of calls your age into question. And I know what kind of guy you are- a PS3 fanboy. I'm a 360 Fanboy. How about we agree to disagree?
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/24/2008, -4/+1actually i own both systems but that's just you speculating AGAIN. you sounded angry in your first post, it made me laugh. so heated over such a small thing i wondered. now that i know you're a fanboy tho, goodbye, enjoy pointless arguments.
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/23/2008, -8/+3you're trusting an article to tell you how to SPECULATE about the game? wow man, now i understand why we're having this convo. maybe try playing the game before listening to some reviewrs exagurating about it.
- sirbeta, on 05/23/2008, -1/+4Why else would we bash a "great director"? Because we liked his work? If he didn't have such an inflated ego causing him to do dumb things like blaming all his failures on the current console/tech he's working on, there wouldn't be much of a way to make fun of him.
Not that I think his work is terrible by any means. I doubt I would sit through hours of game rendered cutscenes though.- AvidPreatorian, on 05/24/2008, -6/+1you haven't even played it yet.. wow you guys make much sense. just don't play it. that's all, that and stop trashing Digg
- SoulGrub, on 05/25/2008, -1/+0Kojima did not blame any failures on anyone, do not spout rumors like a moron. That said, it is legitimate to criticize his work. His dialogue writing is a bunch of crap.
- sirbeta, on 05/25/2008, -1/+2Except that he did blame "failures" on the console he's developing for. He said he had such gigantic plans for MGS4, and the PS3 just couldn't keep up, and he's disappointed in the result.
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -4/+5Ok, the ending. That's one. If you didn't notice from the first paragraph of the article, the game reportedly has "cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark."
- EdgarVerona, on 05/24/2008, -1/+5Seeing as how his ego expands linearly with optical media capacity, I don't see how your aspiration can ever become possible.
- ferrariman60, on 05/23/2008, -5/+19Yeah, there will never be an optical format that can store his ego. And i LOL at the thought of watching multiple 90 minute cutscenes that are initially Japanese. They can do the best job in the world at translating it to English, but it will still end up being awkward and invariably funny as a result.
- hokeywebb22, on 05/23/2008, -10/+183PROTIP: "If you have to pause a cut scene it's too long"
- packman86, on 05/23/2008, -13/+7"comma"
- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -1/+31Xenosaga 1 had a save point during one of its cutscenes.
- RanmaChan, on 05/23/2008, -9/+4I have a 2 year old. If you think cut scenes longer than about 5 seconds are too long, then I guess your statement is true (from your point of view).
However, I've missed all sorts of cutscenes because I had to do something NOW and the stupid game has no pause for cut scenes. This leave three choices: A. Turn off Reload from last save. B. Pause game after skipping the cut scene. C. Just leave the thing on and hope you don't die after the cut scene.
Wish I could do B in every game. - EdgarVerona, on 05/24/2008, -0/+12The Protip still applies.
- RanmaChan, on 05/23/2008, -9/+4I have a 2 year old. If you think cut scenes longer than about 5 seconds are too long, then I guess your statement is true (from your point of view).
- Chetyre, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2Actually, Xenosaga 1 and 2 both had save points during the cut scenes. I can't remember if Xenosaga 3 had any of those long cut scenes though.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Xenosaga 3 had 8 hours of cut scenes
- jacksons98, on 05/23/2008, -4/+188Looks like it might be exaggerated by CVG.
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049
"I've beat the game twice, and am the author of the forthcoming [GamePro] review," Shuman said. "Ninety-minute-long cinemas in MGS4 sounds like an exaggeration. Like the other MGS games, MGS4 definitely has a cinematic quality. And yes, some of the cut-scenes in the game are elaborate and occasionally lengthy. But not a one, to my recollection, even approaches 90 minutes.
"I think it's safe to say that the '90 minutes cinemas' claim is a pretty big exaggeration," he told GamePro News.- kyle212, on 05/23/2008, -7/+13Joystiq have also said this, the longest cutscene they counted was 45 minutes, and you can pause them.
And who cares! MGS's storylines are always worth the watch, well part from Raidens blabbering at the end of MGS2, but that was worth it for the video of snake chasing liquid - MrDandy, on 05/24/2008, -2/+9Maybe what they meant to say was, the cutscenes "seemed" like they were 90-minutes long.
- shadowcode, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1Sounds plausible, yeah. This ***** happens all the time.
Someone says that some of the cutscenes felt like a full-feature 90 minute movie, some other idiot spins this around and claims that the game will have 90-minute cutscenes.
Still, even 45 minute cutscenes are a bit.. long. Maybe they should've added fast-forward as well.
- shadowcode, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1Sounds plausible, yeah. This ***** happens all the time.
- Spudster, on 05/24/2008, -1/+3The claim was so absurd to begin with. Thank you for fact checking this piece of information--something few people on sites like this care to go through with.
- kyle212, on 05/23/2008, -7/+13Joystiq have also said this, the longest cutscene they counted was 45 minutes, and you can pause them.
- Frybread, on 05/23/2008, -14/+73And to think of all the people who called Wii Fit a non-game.
- Teck64, on 05/23/2008, -10/+5They say that like its a bad thing, I'm pretty sure you can skip them if you really wanted to.
- styx31989, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1No *****? Huh. Well I'm glad I got your confirmation on the matter, because when they said it in the article MULTIPLE times, I just wasn't sure until you came along.
- Hetman, on 05/23/2008, -5/+17This is just a rumor. And I am glad. If I had to sit through a 90 minute cut scene I would lose my mind and never play the game again. A game has to have some type of flow to it. You cannot just stop the gameplay for 90 minutes. That would be so silly.
- NoCt1, on 05/23/2008, -11/+1its multiple scenes. not one giant scene tard.
- Hetman, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1That is not what the article states. And that is why I said it is just a rumor. I like having a good story for a game but damn that is just to much to deal with.
- peestandingup, on 05/23/2008, -38/+29How will those "hardcore" gamers explain this one?
"Dude, Im like so hard core that I diss everything besides my PS3, especially that little pussy console the Wii, & play games with 90 minute cut scenes where I just sit there & do nothing but watch. Yeah, thats some hardcore ***** right there, *****."- poppacherry, on 05/23/2008, -11/+4...by it being an amazing experience that's not to be missed?
- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -16/+5Yeah i know when i go to the movies i hate to just sit there and watch. I always bring my 360 controller and pretend i'm controlling the action on screen. Also i have ADD.
/sarcasm - SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -3/+17Well I'm totally hardcore like that. I play MGS2 on one TV and MGS3 on another and have cutscenes from both running at once! With both running I get like four plot twists every five minutes. CAN YOU HANDLE THAT *****!? I DON'T ***** THINK SO!!11!!1!!11!
- Misanthrope, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1Oh, yes...THEY'RE the fanboys. Of COURSE.
Happily, this is a rumor and seems to be a false one at that.
Good attempt at PS3 bashing though. Get a ***** life, man. - ericrous, on 05/27/2008, -0/+2Only pussies PLAY games. The real hardcore, bullshark-testosterone-injecting ***** WATCH them.
- Typhoon2009, on 05/23/2008, -3/+32You could have Wikipedia articles for those cut scenes.
- endlessoul, on 05/23/2008, -1/+11[Citation Needed]
- chouch, on 05/23/2008, -9/+3
- wentwj, on 05/24/2008, -7/+2Wow great... an HD-DVD fan still arguing for the format... with... a great argument as well.
"If HD-DVD had won we wouldn't have to worry about content creators giving us more content!"
- wentwj, on 05/24/2008, -7/+2Wow great... an HD-DVD fan still arguing for the format... with... a great argument as well.
- homer420032003, on 05/24/2008, -0/+3Then again, you can have a Wikipedia article for just about anything
- gfxl, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2You could have a flippin imdb entry for those cutscenes!
- itsgotyou, on 05/23/2008, -11/+6Adding a movie(s) in the middle of my gaming is a novel concept. I'm sure I will be enjoying the cut scenes and will never have to skip through them.
- jplevel, on 05/23/2008, -16/+3does anyone else skip EVERY cut screen they come to just to get back into the action?
- RyanWilliams, on 05/23/2008, -0/+5Not me — I love them.
- poppacherry, on 05/23/2008, -1/+4not if its a MGS game, where the story in terribly crucial...
- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -2/+6no and you are an idiot for doing so.
- CroatSensation7, on 05/23/2008, -0/+0Eh, no. And i hope nobody else does either.
90 is far too long none the less...
- AshamedAmerican, on 05/23/2008, -11/+1Could they mean all the cut scenes put together is around 90 minutes?
- 4LeggedtriPod, on 05/23/2008, -1/+5Did you even read the description, much less the article, Or did you just read the title and foolishly comment away?
- AshamedAmerican, on 05/23/2008, -5/+2I actually read both, you arrogant prick. I also read how another reviewer (who completed the game) said how this is untrue and that while they are long, no cut scene ever comes close to it. Ergo, it's possible CAVG's reviewer simply meant the game's cut scenes add up to around 90 minutes, and the whole damn thing got exaggerated. But please, continue not thinking and bury away, you fan boys are amusing.
- 4LeggedtriPod, on 05/23/2008, -1/+5Did you even read the description, much less the article, Or did you just read the title and foolishly comment away?
- NiGHTSChao, on 05/23/2008, -13/+22***** Yes.
:3 - Falldog, on 05/23/2008, -11/+1Imagine if you die or have to restart and are forced to watch the whole scene again.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -3/+4HEY SMART ONE. READ THE ARTICLE. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PAUSE AND SKIP THE SCENES.
regardless, i am imaging your scenario, and.... i don't care. Know why? Because i have the option to skip the cut-scene. ***** piss ant.- Falldog, on 05/23/2008, -1/+2RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEE much?
Anyhow, I just said imagine, not that you would have to. I can't think of a game where you couldn't skip the cut scenes at any rate.
- Falldog, on 05/23/2008, -1/+2RRRRRRRRAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEE much?
- darthdusty, on 05/23/2008, -2/+2speak for yourself smart one, you're the one typing in all caps. And piss ant? Come on even fudge packer is a better diss than "piss ant".
- matschig, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1I know it, i just didn't want to cut you too deeply, ya know?
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -3/+4HEY SMART ONE. READ THE ARTICLE. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PAUSE AND SKIP THE SCENES.
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -11/+2*In the best President Bush impression I can muster* Bring it on!
- BesideYouInTime, on 05/23/2008, -10/+39I want to play a game, not watch it.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -14/+8Skip those cut-scenes then betch
- Managua8Green, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3*bitch ass ho
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -5/+2And I want a well explained and detailed plot
- DefaultGen, on 05/25/2008, -1/+2No game has ever done that without movie length cut scenes.
- jgtg32a, on 05/26/2008, -1/+1exactly
- ericrous, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1If you want to see a movie, GO SEE A ***** MOVIE.
- DefaultGen, on 05/25/2008, -1/+2No game has ever done that without movie length cut scenes.
- Tayls, on 05/24/2008, -1/+2Play another series, man. Kojima is a different kind of designer, and this is the conclusion of one hell of a story.
- MyDiggIsBig, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1what if you could control the cut scene. that is where the next generation of video games will be heading. already have a simple version of this where you can choose dialogue, but soon you will be able to do much more.
- GeekyGerge, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Don't play it then.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -14/+8Skip those cut-scenes then betch
- omgJOHN, on 05/23/2008, -4/+8Jeez. I already thought that these games had way too many cut scenes, but 90-minutes? Jesus! Doesn't that seem a little too much? So if I was to ever play this game, against my better judgment, there is a point where I would actually STOP playing for an hour and a half? Well that sounds like an hour and twenty minutes of stuff I'll never see because I got bored and turned the game off.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -6/+2Or an hour and twenty minutes you'll never see because you skipped the cut-scene. If you read the ***** article you would realize that is an option.
- omgJOHN, on 05/23/2008, -0/+8Holy *****! I did read it! Maybe I think if I'm going to skip something I shouldn't bother playing at all? Maybe I think a game that feels it's story is so god damned important that it has to throw it in my face for an hour and a half instead of letting me PLAY the game isn't worth the god damn hassle of having to press the skip button whenever an excessively long cut scene comes up.
What you got to say about that hot sauce? Or do you have any other asinine arguments to make?- Managua8Green, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1I guess you shouldn't play it than
- matschig, on 05/24/2008, -4/+2Okay, how about you just don't play the game? THAT is an option too you know.
How you like them apples you little ***** stain? - BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+2I'm pretty sure that's what he said.
- omgJOHN, on 05/23/2008, -0/+8Holy *****! I did read it! Maybe I think if I'm going to skip something I shouldn't bother playing at all? Maybe I think a game that feels it's story is so god damned important that it has to throw it in my face for an hour and a half instead of letting me PLAY the game isn't worth the god damn hassle of having to press the skip button whenever an excessively long cut scene comes up.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -6/+2Or an hour and twenty minutes you'll never see because you skipped the cut-scene. If you read the ***** article you would realize that is an option.
- Chassit, on 05/23/2008, -18/+13***** lame.
- Aerandir, on 05/23/2008, -12/+7Now, if we could have some extra 90 minutes of Porn + the game...
- indiancompanion, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2just go on your computer.....
- AlJensen, on 05/23/2008, -11/+4LOL if your complaining about cut scenes then you are truly not a MGS fan, thats the whole reason why fans like MGS for the intriguing story and the cool espionage action.
- mattman202, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Why not the gameplay itself? That's a pretty ignorant thing to say...
Metal gear has always had solid gameplay. However, I do agree that the overall game would be hurt by lack of story.- AlJensen, on 05/23/2008, -1/+0espionage action = Game play
sorry ill make sure to say that more clear next time
- AlJensen, on 05/23/2008, -1/+0espionage action = Game play
- mattman202, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1Why not the gameplay itself? That's a pretty ignorant thing to say...
- Solertia, on 05/23/2008, -20/+15
- CaptMal, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3you mean the best movie ever, right?
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1No Xenosaga was the best movie ever.
- CaptMal, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3you mean the best movie ever, right?
- OddManRush, on 05/23/2008, -6/+35This is the reason why I stopped playing Metal Gear Solid at #2. I like to play my games, not watch them. I don't want to watch my character do awesome stunts/dodges/dives/etc. and then not be able to do ANY of those things in the game engine itself.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -13/+2Skip the cut-scene then. That IS an option.
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -15/+5You obviously were not the target demographic. BTW I hate most FPS games (if not all of them), so there.
- Chebsi, on 05/23/2008, -1/+7What do FPS games have to do with this...?
- Psythik, on 05/23/2008, -3/+4Then what the hell do you play?
- NikoK, on 05/23/2008, -25/+37So how many people does this ruin the game for?
+1- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -11/+7-1
- smoothmann, on 05/23/2008, -5/+6+2
- lemination, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1+3
- Renian, on 05/23/2008, -3/+15Xenosaga Solid 4?
...I'd say Xenogears, but it didn't have 90 minute cutscenes.- tech9, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1xenogears.. the longest game i ever completed. 80 hours plus
- Philbert, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1I loved Xenosaga's cut scenes. I used a still from one as my PC wallpaper for a while.
- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -1/+8That beats the 40 min. cut scene in Xenosaga.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Yea but there were multiple of 40 min cuts
- wesleyzero, on 05/23/2008, -9/+790-minute cut scenes is just ridiculous self-indulgence on the part of Kojima and Co. And I thought Xenosaga was bad.
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -4/+6My money is betting that you never actually played Xenosaga and simply read the two comments above yours.
- wesleyzero, on 05/23/2008, -1/+1Finished Xenosaga 1, started Xenosaga 2 and got bored of sitting through the cutscenes, so I never completed it. I like cutscenes to a certain degree, but 90 minutes? Who has an hour and a half to set aside just to watch the the story unfold? I'm hoping you can save mid-cutscene.
- MasterPain, on 05/23/2008, -2/+0My money is a fan boy from all the replys you have been leaving
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1@matschig
Stop assuming so much.. you might like 90 minute movies in your games, but not everyone does. Yes, we know, you can skip it, but we'd still like to know what the hell is going on in the story without having schedule some time off my calendar
Why not make a movie instead? Add it to the bonus DVD for special edition or something..
- matschig, on 05/23/2008, -4/+6My money is betting that you never actually played Xenosaga and simply read the two comments above yours.
- poppacherry, on 05/23/2008, -8/+3Wasn't there a Japanese RPG that came out years ago that had a 2 hour introductory cut scene?
I don't understand what the big deal is. Now that game developers have the technology, you're going to start seeing a mesh between cinematic and interactivity more than ever.- Vash3001, on 05/23/2008, -0/+3You are probably thinking of Xenosaga. The intro was about 20 mins long, but there was 7 1/2 hours of cut scenes in the game.
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -0/+3I'm sorry, but this is not a mesh. This is a chunky, poorly blended milkshake. You have simple and refreshing milk (the gameplay) which goes down easy. Then you have the dense chunks of ice cream (story-revealing cut scenes), which can be impressive and tasty in small bits, but starts to feel kinda leaden.
The best games mix the two together very effectively, making a smooth experience. The Half Life games probably do it best. The player never leaves first person view and sees the story through their own eyes. A movie director would balk that this steals composition from the creator, but that's a tradeoff needed for a new medium. Further, it challenges the designers to help better guide the player's view, through the use of sounds, level design, action, etc.
- AkatsukiNoTobi, on 05/23/2008, -7/+16I can't wait to skip them.
- Tayls, on 05/24/2008, -2/+2Enjoy all 4 hours of gameplay, but don't bitch when you don't get anything out of it.
- Callik, on 05/23/2008, -13/+51Q. Buy MSG4 or see a movie?
A. Buy MSG4 and do both.- TehGrisp, on 05/23/2008, -6/+5You've just said that by buying MSG4, you are able to buy MSG4 and see a movie.
- daishin, on 05/24/2008, -1/+16Whats Metal Solid Gear 4? Some sort of chinese knockoff?
- cococrispies, on 05/24/2008, -5/+3valiant effort, poor execution
- SuburbianMike, on 05/23/2008, -7/+11I have no problem watching that. Metal Gear Solid has always been 50% Gameplay and 50% to me and that's why I loved it. The cinematic feel of the video game makes it an experience found no where else.
- chokeaduck, on 05/24/2008, -1/+550% Gameplay and 50% what?
50% Cabbage?
50% Pleather?
50% Leonard Nimoy?
I mean... don't leave us hanging like that!
- chokeaduck, on 05/24/2008, -1/+550% Gameplay and 50% what?
- exomni, on 05/23/2008, -15/+16Guess what game I'm not going to be playing now?
Seriously, if I want to watch a movie, I'd watch a movie. MGS cutscenes have always been terrible movies at best, great for videogames, but terrible for a feature film. I highly doubt it's been all that improved as to be bearable for MGS4. So yeah, I'm not playing this game now.- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -11/+6Okay I'll before before and I'll say it again...OBVIOUSLY you are not the target demographic. There is nothing to see here. Go back and play Halo.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+4I liked everything about MGS until it gets to the cuts. The cuts suck its a bunch of John Woo BS, or staring at *****.
- oda1, on 05/24/2008, -3/+2Guess who doesn't care?
Terrible movies? MGS cut scenes are brilliant, and even the crappiest of the cut scenes is way better than the ***** hollywood is producing. MGS is a game that's, by now, well accepted as being '50 play 50 watch'
If you want to play a game AND have an extremely detailed and well told storyline -- then by all means, get MGS.
If you want to keep playing halo, then please -- be my guest.
- SemiSarcastic, on 05/23/2008, -11/+6Okay I'll before before and I'll say it again...OBVIOUSLY you are not the target demographic. There is nothing to see here. Go back and play Halo.
- IceOfDiamonds, on 05/23/2008, -19/+8heres a conditional. if you dont like cutscenes, youre a fag.
and another one. if youre not willing to invest the time to learn one of the greatest stories of our decade, graduate middle school first.- Dumbledorito, on 05/23/2008, -1/+11If you think Metal Gear is one of the greatest stories of our decade, you need to get out more. Like, out of 5th grade.
I'm not faulting your taste, but a "story" that has clones, more secret relations between characters than would be put in by an autistic Charles Dickens, and deus ex ninjas out of nowhere is as to great literature as "Starship Troopers" is to the cinematic arts.- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Starship Troopers had death and titties! What's not to like?
- Dumbledorito, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Death & Titties would make a great name for a rock band.
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1(c)HolyChimp 2008 :D
- IceOfDiamonds, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0Just because it's not on dvd acted out by your favorite actors or written on several hundred pieces of paper; doesn't make it any less of a great story. This is digg, where people love games, how can you guys not agree?
Metal Gear is to video games as Faulkner (or Dickens(whichever you prefer)) was to literature. Who cares if metal gear isnt literature? Would you care if i said that "Barn Burning" by Faulkner, wasnt video game worthy? No, because it's neither here, nor there.
But in the common categories that can be compared, like plot, storytelling, and character development; Metal gear is top shelf.
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Starship Troopers had death and titties! What's not to like?
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -0/+8Dude, do you READ?
- Dumbledorito, on 05/23/2008, -1/+11If you think Metal Gear is one of the greatest stories of our decade, you need to get out more. Like, out of 5th grade.
- blackhole82, on 05/23/2008, -13/+15I'm gonna take a guess and say this is 90 minutes of cutscenes instead of 90 minute cutscenes There is a pretty big difference there.
- MasterPain, on 05/23/2008, -1/+7Guess at reading the article next time.
- blackhole82, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1I did, and it still does not definitively say that a single cut scene is 90 minutes.
- MasterPain, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0"Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark. For those troubled with time keeping, that's the length of a feature film." I hope english is your second language if you can not comprehend that.
- MasterPain, on 05/25/2008, -0/+0"Metal Gear Solid 4, the latest instalment in Hideo Kojima's seminal stealth series, has cut-scenes (note the plural) that approach the 90 minutes mark. For those troubled with time keeping, that's the length of a feature film." I hope english is your second language if you can not comprehend that.
- blackhole82, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1I did, and it still does not definitively say that a single cut scene is 90 minutes.
- MasterPain, on 05/23/2008, -1/+7Guess at reading the article next time.
- SniperZ, on 05/23/2008, -6/+13"Mom... Ill come to dinner right after this cut-scene..."
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -0/+6So true. And nothing pisses parents off more...
- bas4ball, on 05/23/2008, -2/+4Than when their kids don't come to dinner.
- psykiv, on 05/23/2008, -3/+1***** that. I'll come down to dinner, shave, shower, go play a game or two of pool, THEN come back in time to see the end of the cut scene.
- jgtg32a, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Or press skip
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Maybe record it on PVR and watch it later..
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -0/+6So true. And nothing pisses parents off more...
- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -4/+12i thought non interactive cutscenes as storytelling devices had been dismissed with half life part 1...
imho that's neglecting the possibilities of a new medium and sucking up to an 'old' one (movies)- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -1/+8Exactly! This is like the early photographers who covered the lenses of their cameras with grease so that their pictures would be blurry like an oil painting. They felt they were turning a reproductive imaging tool into an artform, but they neglected the fact that they were ignoring its strength. Alfred Steiglitz and other progressive artists then showed that photography was a valuable tool for photographing interesting bits of composition that occur in nature and still life. The ability to make a realist image quickly allowed them to make much more progressive art.
Valve seems intent on upgrading the gaming experience. Gaming is meant to be interactive, and if the game has a story, which I believe all great games should, the game should tell you the story as you interact with it.- staticneuron, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3No. Valve does "NOT" Have their finger on it it. There isn't such a thing as an interactive story. Think about it for a second (most people haven't it seems) for a title like Half life the story is left up to the gamer to connect the dots. Scenarios are explained and you can glean elements of bigger events happening but how much explanation is going on?
In the MGS series to introduce the immortality of vamp, or the luck of fortune during gameplay would be very hard would you assume? Without a cutscene try to imagine the battle against Psycho mantis.
Wouldn't you have given up?
More topics such as the history of grey fox, The la le li lo lu, les infant terribles, the motivations of boss and naked snake. The majority of MGS can not be conveyed during gameplay, not in a way that makes sense.
Honestly if people want more game than story there are titles out there for you. I love games with story but I don't decry gears or HL2 for having a lack of one. You on't like eloborate stories or cutscenes then don't play the game. There are many people who do like this content and the title is for them.- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1It doesn't mean they can't have any cut-scenes at all.. but there's a way to balance cut-scenes with interactive gameplay.. keeping you active and having cut-scenes here an there for the longer explanations..
- staticneuron, on 05/24/2008, -2/+3No. Valve does "NOT" Have their finger on it it. There isn't such a thing as an interactive story. Think about it for a second (most people haven't it seems) for a title like Half life the story is left up to the gamer to connect the dots. Scenarios are explained and you can glean elements of bigger events happening but how much explanation is going on?
- TehGrisp, on 05/23/2008, -1/+2"non interactive cutscenes"
An "interactive cutscene" would be gameplay or that "press a button or die" thing from in RE4.- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -0/+4maybe wrong wording on my part.
i was referring to scenes like in half life 2 where you stay in control of the character and even interact with the environment like putting a powerplug into place and start the teleporter or something.- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1...but yes, ultimately, non interactive cutscene means gameplay.
- staticneuron, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Thats not an example of story. Or even a story element. Most games will not treat you to a cutscene for something as simple as that unless they want to notify you of something bigger going on. Case in point. In the MGS's (all three) when your menial task is interrupted you bet your bottom dollar there is either a character introduction or a boss battle following that.
Performing a task is not really a story. Why an your characters motivation for doing so is the reason why. Thats my biggest problem with the silent protaganist games. No matter what, you cannot give reason for your characters actions nor understand his motivations. So you have to create one in your mind. IF you have to create a story......... then the GAME doesn't have a good story, you just have a good imagination. Some people aren't so fortunate.
- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -0/+4maybe wrong wording on my part.
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -1/+8Exactly! This is like the early photographers who covered the lenses of their cameras with grease so that their pictures would be blurry like an oil painting. They felt they were turning a reproductive imaging tool into an artform, but they neglected the fact that they were ignoring its strength. Alfred Steiglitz and other progressive artists then showed that photography was a valuable tool for photographing interesting bits of composition that occur in nature and still life. The ability to make a realist image quickly allowed them to make much more progressive art.
- GreatOne08, on 05/23/2008, -10/+32If you don't like it don't buy it
- gcauthon, on 05/23/2008, -2/+10Thank you, Great One, for using your tremendous insight to suggest an option that nobody else had considered until now.
- GreatOne08, on 05/23/2008, -3/+5Glad I can help!
- SLockhart, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Trust me, I won't because I won't know what's going on from skipping all the cutscenes.
- gcauthon, on 05/23/2008, -2/+10Thank you, Great One, for using your tremendous insight to suggest an option that nobody else had considered until now.
- macfan93, on 05/23/2008, -18/+30All xbox fanboys looking for a way to diss the ps3 just came in there pants
- TVarmy, on 05/23/2008, -6/+3and the pants were dead
- Tayls, on 05/24/2008, -4/+3And all PS3 fanboys now finally have a reason to feel like they're winning...for a month or so.
- BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah, that's it.. its the Xbox fanboys.
/s - ericrous, on 05/27/2008, -0/+1Any what Delaystation 3 fans don't understand is that you can't win when all your best games are still just PROMISES.
- CarnivalOfDust, on 05/23/2008, -7/+2Don't know why all the complaining. If Max Payne 2'd had 90 min cut scenes, I'd have been well happy! Roll on the time where you can either watch cinematic cutscenes or read a synopsis-type thing before launching back in. The latter is important for if you want the story but don't have that much time on your hands.
- fpaudon, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1You'd be happy? I skipped past every one of the graphic novel cut scenes in Max Payne 2 despite the fact that they were awesome because gameplay > cutscenes
- CarnivalOfDust, on 05/24/2008, -0/+0Fair enough - to each their own, and I can see that I stand in the minority. Of course gameplay >> cutscenes, but it would be nice to have extra story stuff in there, wouldn't it? Remembering that the story has already been written, and it's a different team responsible for the cutscenes than the actual game (so it's not like it would detract from the rest). It just seems odd that people are stoked for the Max Payne movie but they wouldn't be happy to have some long sequences with the real deal! Obviously it's too early to judge, but I don't know whether I'll be able to accept Mark Wahlberg as Payne - I love the voice of Max from MP2. So freaking awesome!
- saintamour, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Digg for Max Payne 2. One of my favorite stories evar. Keeping my fingers crossed on the movie
- fpaudon, on 05/23/2008, -0/+1You'd be happy? I skipped past every one of the graphic novel cut scenes in Max Payne 2 despite the fact that they were awesome because gameplay > cutscenes
- CaptainNem0, on 05/23/2008, -7/+0Maybe it's actually 90 1 minute cut scenes. 90 minute cutscenes.
- Link459, on 05/23/2008, -16/+14And this is why I have never enjoyed this series.
If you suck as much as this to have to put a MOVIE into a VIDEO GAME, you shouldn't even call it a video game.
Learn to integrate the story throughout the game, not use damn movies...- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -1/+4exactly, a story which unfolds in your mind because of bits and pieces in the scenery like posters or newspapers or audiologs or short dialogues is more fitting for a videogame than minute long cutscenes.
even 20 minutes are way to much and immersion breakers of the first order.- staticneuron, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1That means story bits can be missed an that assumes that gamers will get it. Any game with a "real" strong story has cutscenes. Plain and simple.
- wentwj, on 05/24/2008, -1/+1Exactly! Something that doesn't conform to my view of what a video game should be shouldn't exist!
Now yes, 90 minutes is probably a little excessive (though from other sources it seems the 90 minutes claim is exaggerated, much less multiple 90 minute cutscenes), I don't fault game creators for trying new things. Some stories require a more in depth than bits and pieces of scenery like posters or newspapers. - Qumahlin, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Aside from the complete trash endings, Bioshock is the one game that I applaud for how well the story was woven directly into the gameplay.
- MrTulip, on 05/23/2008, -1/+4exactly, a story which unfolds in your mind because of bits and pieces in the scenery like posters or newspapers or audiologs or short dialogues is more fitting for a videogame than minute long cutscenes.
- ProfessorSYM, on 05/23/2008, -25/+19Further proof that the PS3's strength is in playing video, not video games.
- Darksoul, on 05/23/2008, -8/+2Further proof is your a ***** moron what does the fact its on the ps3 have anything to do with *****. The metal gear series have always had alot of cut scenes your just another fan-boy aren't you I love ***** like you know want to hear a real fact its a ***** GOOD GAME why don't you go play some more ***** halo or mario it seems to be right up your ally ***** kid.
Fan-boy's like you should ***** go and gag to death on your power cords, seriously tell me what other games the 360 and Nintendo have going for it all the good ***** has been released the ps3 has more going for it now then just movies and its starting to show you just keep watching when Sony yet again starts to sell more consoles then the xbox and seriously ***** the wii and its sales the only reason they sold so well is it panders to the non hardcore gaming crowd name one ***** game that that isn't a "nintendo based character" that has sold well on that console.
Shut the ***** up seriously.
Just in case I am no ***** Sony fan-boy I only own a xbox 360 right now but I have a brain and in the long run the ps3 is going to last the longest.- ProfessorSYM, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Tell me more...
- Gonasadude, on 05/24/2008, -1/+3Wow. As an avid Grammar Nazi, I almost had a heart attack. If you want to prove a point, you should prove your own credibility first by forming a correct sentence. I'm not saying that ProfessorSYM wasn't trolling. I'm just saying that you came out to look like a douche and an idiot in an argument that you would have otherwise won if you had presented your argument logically.
/advice- RedHawk911, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2Haha it's always so funny to read all those bastards that needs to correct every guy that doesn't spell everything right.... No wait it's not funny, it's pathetic
- ToothyMcshark, on 05/24/2008, -0/+1Hahahahah, he told a jokey. Let off some steam, Mrs. Teapot!
- HolyChimp, on 05/24/2008, -0/+2I was reading all these comments, completely shocked that no-one had made a comment like this. Now my life is complete and I can go to sleep. Thank you, good sir.
- cthellis, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1Yes, lord knows the previous MGS games has no story, NONE of it delivered in lengthy cut-scenes, and the PS1 and PS2 were nothing but media-playing machines with no good gaming on them whatsoever.
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o_O - BearinG, on 05/26/2008, -0/+1Don't start these flaming fanboy wars.. you just make the rest of us look bad.
- Darksoul, on 05/23/2008, -8/+2Further proof is your a ***** moron what does the fact its on the ps3 have anything to do with *****. The metal gear series have always had alot of cut scenes your just another fan-boy aren't you I love ***** like you know want to hear a real fact its a ***** GOOD GAME why don't you go play some more ***** halo or mario it seems to be right up your ally ***** kid.
- elithebest, on 05/23/2008, -6/+9Lies and exaggeration.
- cthellis, on 05/23/2008, -9/+5I think I just filled the cup. O_O
- friend18, on 05/23/2008, -3/+18I don't care as long as you can pause. I wish more games allowed you to pause during cut scenes. So annoying.
- AgentAnderson, on 05/25/2008, -0/+1I desire the ability to fast forward more than the ability to pause.
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