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- aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -7/+58I had to click "Show Comment" just to be able to bury that...
it was worth it. - chocobomog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28 I love TWIT (I was even on it once) and Diggnation but when it comes to games their conversations are ill-informed. Leo has so many topics to follow and so much new tech to study that he doesn't have a time to follow the game news. Will O'Neal know games (I believe he is also in his 20s) but for the most part the only news the TWIT'ers mention are rumors from Digg stories. And we all know how accurate those can be.
Leo may be a tech genius, that doesn't mean he knows absolutely everything about tech. Plus he has been wrong a number of times in the past. There have been a few times I've listened to TWIT and they say "such and such will never happen" only to have it happen a few days later (the Google/YouTube purchase comes to mind). - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Wouldn't surprise me if they did make a 7-2, they're milking that game for all it's worth. Goes to show how bad they're running out of idea.s
- juanotejano, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19I agree that the PS3 stands to be or could be a huge bust, but Leo Laporte saying it doesn't make it true.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20yeah, lets wait for kevin rose to say it
[/sarcasm] - Catch_ME, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I don't think it'll be a bust. The PS3 will not control as much as the market like the PS2. But leo is wrong about being a bust. But he is in deed not a game expert. So leo will probably be wrong.
- spr33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's just his opinion.
To be honest, I don't understand why people make such a fuss over 'internet celebrity' opinions. I guess people like to call them out when they're wrong.
Dvorak said Google wouldn't buy YouTube 'in a million years' and that was his humble opinion.
No one is perfect after all. - tpaine, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I agree that another FF along the lines of FF7 would be great, but Leo was making fun of how many sequels they have made.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Genius or no genius, nobody (not even industry insiders) knows whether or not the PS3 is going to be a bust.
On a side note, am I the only person who plans on owning all 3 next-gen systems and enjoying all of them? What purpose is there to bash Sony, MS, or Nintendo? - HumanWaste, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Just to point out:
The Wii comes out two days later than the PS3; the article says "earlier". - blapierre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Why is the description all about Leo Laporte and why the author adores him so much?
- tpaine, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11I don't think Sony understands gamers either. How many people used their PS2's to play DVD's? I certainly tried to. Sony is really trying to make the PS3 to be the one stop shop for your living room entertainment and I think that is a rather foolish idea. You can be great at one thing or ok at everything, but you can't have a device that does everything perfectly. The PS2 frankly sucked for playing DVDs. It had issues with certain dvd's, the remote sucked and there was no display to tell you where in the movie you were.
- juanotejano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I would say the ds was a failure, and so was the psp, the ds lite on the other hand was most defiantly a success.
- mvanhorn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Who says "Go Microsoft?" on digg? ::slap on the wrist::
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8"Goes to show how bad they're running out of idea.s"
I dunno, IGN gave FFXII an outstanding review and cited several breaks from tradition. I'm no Sony fanboy...quite the opposite, actually, but I don't think Square's running out of steam any time soon.
And I have to agree with Leo...Final Fantasy alone isn't going to win the console war. - Swift2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Don't forget, Leo, who's a pretty smart guy, thought that Apple's switch to Intel would be disastrous. Predicting the future is really hard, especially because it hasn't happened yet. I thought that until I saw the previews of how good it looks.
- johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13@mywhitenoise:
I disagree - for this reason.
I left the house this morning at 0530 and got to the nearest Toys 'R Us at 0600 to wait another 5 hours for it to open.
There were people that had been there since 1200 *Saturday* waiting about to reserve the PS3. Luckily, I was #15 on the Wii reservation line.
But that wasn't the most interesting thing. There were two points of interest. The first was that there were the people that were also in line for a Tickle Me Elmo doll. It was clear there were a lot of them there just to buy them for eBaying - but even the people there for their kids wanted to buy 2, because they *knew* they could sell it on eBay.
Those Elmo folks are scary, scary people. I mean - they freak me out a little bit, and there was almost a fight when some guy showed up at 1030 - 30 minutes before the store opened - and wanted to get the manager to open the door for him so he could let his son go to the bathroom.
The Elmoites did *not* take well to this. The New Guy finally had to take off for this life.
The second thing was how many conversations went like this:
Me: So, what are you in line for?
Woman (typically): Oh, I'm getting that Wii thing. I wanted to get a PS3, but they're only going to have 5 of those, and they're already taken by those folks up front.
Me: Well, that's fine - I think the Wii is better anyway.
Woman: Oh, I don't know anything about it.
Me: Really? Well, let me tell you.
I then give them a 30 second rundown of the Wii - how the controller works via position and movement rather than just button pushing, etc. And the response was usually like this:
Woman: So, you can play like - real tennis with this thing?
Me: Pretty much.
Woman: Wow - I think I want to play with this thing now!
And *that* is what I think that Nintendo is banking on. At first, I thought they were foolish. But the more I think about it, the more I realize they're right.
First, you're going to have the people show up between November 17th and December 25th looking for PS3's. And, unable to buy them, they'll pick up a Wii (since, by all accounts, Nintendo will have plenty available). They don't know what the difference is - they both play games, right?
Then, come Christmas morning, the kids open their Wiis. And even some of them go "Ah - I wanted a PS3!"
Then Mom and Dad put in Wii Sports to "try it out and make sure it works". And then they see how to play Wii Tennis, and go "Huh - wait, I can play this!"
And then it's all over. If average Grandma and Mother like the many I saw in that line get all excited for the Wii when they learn how it works, wait until they *see* how it works.
I think the only other thing Nintendo needs to do is come out with a Wii Aerobic game that, like Dance Dance Revolution, can track your time, how often you work out, and set up exercise programs for toning/weight loss, and stats (so people can track their progress over time and see their endurance go up). Advertise that during Oprah, and they'll sell *millions*.
Anyway, I got my Wii reservation, and from what little I've seen, it's going to be a very Nintendo Christmas. - cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Time for a new show: TWIG
- killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Oh, sorry. I forgot it is trendy to hate Microsoft. Go Apple!
- pantuky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ROFLAO!
As much as I would love to pimp-slap the Sony fan boyz (who are a major pain in the arse) I seriously doubt Leo is right. Leo often doesn't know what he's talking about. More of aficionado of technology than an expert. He is also an Apple cultist. He has a great voice for radio, though.
I think sales will be substantially lower than expected because of the high price and the low sex apeal of Blu-ray. However, they will ultimately succeed. I do plan to buy one even though I am a big fan of the HD-DVD format. How else will I be able to play "God of War II"? - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I agree that another FF along the lines of FF7 would be great, but Leo was making fun of how many sequels they have made."
Considering Final Fantasy saved Squaresoft from bankruptcy 20 years ago and a sequel or spin-off has been released on average every year and a half, you may as well complain about 4 Halo games being released in almost as many years.
There's no reason to mock a well-made game that consistently brings quality and innovation to the table anymore than there's a reason to mock a well-made game that never gets a sequel. When Final Fantasy games start to suck is when the series should end. Otherwise, we should be celebrating that they can go so long and not screw up irreparably.
As for Leo Laporte...isn't this like asking Keith Olbermann what he thinks about Madden '07's chances? - Yashu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Leo Laporte: “I think the PS3 stands to be a huge bust.” ... in the west.
The PS3 will be a huge hit in japan. Honestly, all the things that make people in the west doubt it... really they don't matter over there. Sony could take a huge dump and put it in a box and it would sell a million units over there. - uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If Sony wants BluRay, and the PS3 by-proxy, to succeede, all they need to do is release 5 or 6 movies on BluRay simultaneously with their theatracal release. And good movies too ... something that will absolutely piss off the theatre owners, but will usher in BluRay as a seemingly "better" format than HD-DVD to as many people as that marketing campaign reached. Imagine having a legal copy of "The Departed" in your home right now? It'd be something you'd tell friends about ... and they'd tell their friends. Sure, it'd be a harikari on the theatre business ... but if they sprinkled simultaneous releases in with their normal release schedule ... they'd win the format war ... and the prize of that is far greater than a few theatrical releases here and there.
The same strategy could be used by the HD-DVD camp.
The kicker? Neither of them will do it. There's too much politics involved in a decision like that, and it'd never make it through a vote. So the PS3 will be fighting a war on its own against the 360 and Wii over gaming, instead of getting the BluRay boost that Sony had hoped for. - Cheddar79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think TWiT is an awesome show but at the end of the day...every comment is subjective. I mean didn't they say that GOOGLE would never buy Youtube? Well John C. Dvorak did anway... ;)
- Arch77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All I know is that I want a PS3 over all other next gen. consoles. 360 never excited me.
- tastypastry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3PS3 is not going to bust. It sure as hell won't be "King" this generation like the PS2/PS1 were but you have to understand that theres a huge market of gamers out side of the Digg community that will still buy it whether or not its $600. To tell you the truth I would love to get a PS3 on launch day but I just don't want to shell out that much just yet. Definitely going to get one on the first price cut they do.
- mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That was pretty stupid on Nintendo's part. Though I guess it wont really matter since the PS3 will sell out. Though it would have been smarter if the average consumer went in to get a PS3, found out it was sold out, and could then pick up a Wii.
- TangentThought, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The Wii can play any Gamecube game and has the virtual console."
Um, I believe that the whole PS1 and PS2 library combined is still larger than that, which is the point mdshoreboy was making. The PS2 alone has about1400 titles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games - rlombardo, on 11/05/2008, -0/+2Ugh I hate Dvorak...what an arrogant ass. He makes such outrageous claims and comments just to get people to read...it is like early 20th century yellow journalism all over again. His article on CSS was it for me...I never need to read that idiot's column ever again.
BTW...I honestly feel that the games are what a system is made of. If you look at IGN's weekly "Lust List" not one PS3 game has made the list in I think over a month. To me that is very telling.
Sure hardcore gamers will eat the thing up...but in the long term I think Leo will be proven right. I guess we just have to wait and see! - Steve519, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6ya that was miss typed, its fixed now
- SyDIGG, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Would i rather pay $600 to play Rainbow Six Vegas or $400."
I rather pay $600 to play Rainbow Six Vegas AND be able to watch 50 gig Blue-Ray HD movies than to JUST play Rainbow Six Vegas. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Leo is no gaming expert
- mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Leo is the guy who flubbed an ad reading on KFI, calling a computer a "compuser" and they have shamelessly played that sloppy ad nonstop ever since. If he wants to be known as tech savvy, why can't he rerecord a damn commercial??
- TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@BassCadet
"On a side note, am I the only person who plans on owning all 3 next-gen systems and enjoying all of them?"
There are so many quality games coming out at such a quick pace for the 360 (IMHO) that I couldn't imagine owning all three systems. I can't play all the games I have for the 360, much less another console or two. But I don't play the console all day and constantly on weekends either. - jackminardi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2why is the description used to "prove" his expertise? it should give a synopsis of the article
- ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sony invented the DVD and it was my only DVD player for a couple of years. Never failed me even once. The DVD's penetration into the marketplace is foremost because of the Playstation 2 no matter which way you look at it.
Sony's probably banking on lightning striking twice, but it's only been 6 years.... Still, the $300 PS2 came out as a DVD player when DVD players were 400-700 dollars.
What people neglect is that Microsoft had a chance to pull a coup with the HD-DVD, but they refused to package it with the system to keep the price down. They did the same junk with the Xbox (forcing you to buy a 40-50 dollar remote). Sony's doing what they did last generation and it worked back then. - mdshoreboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4i dunno, I think all this bad press before the console is even on display at best buy is like shooting blanks in the dark. I think the xbox 360 was supposed to be this great console, but come on, how many good games are there??? To top it off, the 360 is loud as hell and I hate having it out in the open where i can hear it. If the PS3 is quiet and includes a sexy UI, then I think it will already be one-up on the XBOX. The PS3 can also play any game ever made for the playstation library. That's more games than Microsoft or Nintendo combined.
- Fitzavig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you think about it, the most powerful console/handheld is rarely (if ever) the "winner" of the console/handheld wars.
PSX vs N64
PS2 vs GC vx Xbox
GB vs GameGear
DS vs PSP (not set in stone, but enough to be considered a "win")
Then there's all the snes era and such too, but I'm just pointing out the ones that most diggers will be able to recognize :p. Also don't forget the Neo Geo (a $600 console that far exceeded the snes and brought the arcade experience home, but flopped more than a fish on a boat). - killinger777, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"content, content, content."
Get a PC instead of a Mac then, they have more content, content, content. - nmaster64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He's got a kind of captain obvious point here. But seriously, Leo just does not have a right to comment on the games industry. He's relatively clueless...
- tiger2base, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Get a PC instead of a Mac then, they have more content, content, content."
I think what you meant was get WINDOWS and you will get content. I have windows, what's your point. I play PC games (HL2, COD2, Battlefield), but need mac only apps too (Final Cut Pro). So sue me for running an operating system that you do and another one that you can't.
and @SyDIGG
What's to say blue ray will even succeed. In three years you could have a machine that COULDN'T play high definition movies. Too many ifs with the PS3. - theratdotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it still can be! =oP
- hansamurai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think Leo's great and all, but listening to his podcasts, it's pretty evident he isn't a video game expert and actually his knowledge is pretty limited.
- TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ZenMojo
"Sony invented the DVD and it was my only DVD player for a couple of years. Never failed me even once. The DVD's penetration into the marketplace is foremost because of the Playstation 2 no matter which way you look at it."
Sony was part of a group of companies that invented the DVD. Philips and Toshiba were also a part of it's "invention." The penetration of DVDs into the marketplace had nothing to do with the PS2. DVD's were first introduced 3 years prior to the PS2.
"Sony's probably banking on lightning striking twice, but it's only been 6 years.... Still, the $300 PS2 came out as a DVD player when DVD players were 400-700 dollars."
Not sure where you were shopping, but you could pick up DVD players for far less than $400-700 in October 2000.
"What people neglect is that Microsoft had a chance to pull a coup with the HD-DVD, but they refused to package it with the system to keep the price down. They did the same junk with the Xbox (forcing you to buy a 40-50 dollar remote). Sony's doing what they did last generation and it worked back then."
They aren't doing what they did last generation. The PS2 was released before the Xbox and if I remember correctly, was priced less than the Xbox. The reverse is true this round. The PS3 is more expensive and is being released a year after the 360. - blueigloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Well, gaming is right up his alley as the subject does harmonize in the realm of technology. Leo Laporte is a Tech Guru, in fact–considered by many–The Tech Guru. With over 250,000 weekly downloads of TWiT and over several hundred thousand more downloads of his other tech publications to go along with"
Your description makes it sound like you rub one out to Leo. - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Microsoft sucks ass! Nintendo fanboys are annoying, Sony fanboys are lame, but Microsoft fanboys are just retarded. Actually, I didn't even know they existed.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The real problem is that the public has not played either of the consoles yet. You're telling a woman that she can play real tennis on it but you haven't even played the system yet. How do you know that this controller won't be a bust? I'm not counting on a controller to keep Nintendo afloat for the next five years personally.
- darrenm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And so it was The Gospel according to Kevin...
- AmazingAndrex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Just like with PSP, eh?
- KungFutse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I agree. I subscribe to KFI Tech Guy podcast and he's very good at helping solves people's computer problems on his weekend show. But being a Tech Guru and a Video Game Guru are two different things. It's not possible to know everything.
And Bass, you're not alone. I'm also a multi-console gamer who currently owns and games on PC, PS2, GC, Xbox, and GBA. When the prices drop, I'll eventually get all three next-gen. I'm not the kind of guy who buys them at launch. -
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