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- kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43Best quote on the whole site:
"PS3 SIXAXIS MOTION-SENSITIVE CONTROLLER
AT LEAST YOU'LL FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN CONTROL" - Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43They forgot the most important feature of Genji 2,
Real Time Weapon Changes - cyanid3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+40Digg just attacked Walmart's weak point for massive damage!!
- Threnody, on 10/12/2007, -0/+35Maybe Sony can help Walmart implement real-time password change!
- unnamedjoe, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39um.. no, THere are prizes, I've worked for walmart long enough to know that is not correct. Walmart also does all of it's training internally on that they don't use websites. They do them as really bad microsoft powerpoints on their intranet. This is somebody else's
- Threnody, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Uh actually he got the site address off of the Walmart training crap I posted here: http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Wii_vs_PS3_FAQs_for_Walmart_Employees_Cell_10x_faster_than_Pentium
The site is probably run by Sony Canada, not Walmart. - chasealicious11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Someone is getting fired
- PFS1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20From NBA 07:
Sweat – Beads of sweat will flow naturally, respecting the contours of players skins.
*****, I'm SOLD! - Cornloaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I did a WHOIS of the website and it's not linked to Sony or Walmart. The guy that owns the domain is using his home address for the domain registration. The site is hosted on Pair.com which offers cheap hosting at around $49/month. There is something fishy about this site. Check this out:
WHOIS information for: ps3training.ca:
[whois.cira.ca]
Status: EXIST
Registrar: Computer Engineering Inc.
Registrar-no: 3234
Registrant-no: 1595579
Domaine-no: 1595579
Subdomain: ps3training.ca
Renewal-Date: 2008/07/27
Date-Approved: 2006/07/27
Date-Modified: 2006/08/04
Organization: Mel Fishman
Description:
Admin-Name: Mr Mel Fishman
Admin-Title:
Admin-Postal: 32 Woodbrook Court S.W,
Calgary AB T2W 4G1 Canada
Admin-Phone: 403 238-3809
Admin-Fax:
Admin-Mailbox: mdf@reps.ca
Tech-Name: Mr Mel Fishman
Tech-Title:
Tech-Postal: 32 Woodbrook Court S.W,
Calgary AB T2W 4G1 Canada
Tech-Phone: 403 238-3809
Tech-Fax:
Tech-Mailbox: mdf@reps.ca
NS1-Hostname: ns444.pair.com
NS1-Netaddress: 209.68.4.230
NS2-Hostname: ns5.ns0.com
NS2-Netaddress: 216.92.61.30
Mel Fishman = http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/i/s/Mel--Fishman/index.html
Address for both registration of ps3training.ca and his genealogy request :
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=32+Woodbrook+Court+S.W,,+Calgary+AB+T2W+4G1+Canada&ie=UTF8&z=18&ll=50.947541,-114.133182&spn=0.002866,0.007226&t=k&om=1 - Lowry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Why do they have a training manual for this?
There are not going to be any ps3 systems to debate over buying. They will all be sold within 30 minutes of putting them on shelves. - kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12make sure you don't have a space at the end of it. I copy and pasted and had the same problem at first.
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Im sure that guy wanted someone posting his address and driving directions to his house on the internet........
- Raian, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15This is Wal Mart Canada asshat... I was in the store last night and someone put up internal documents around the store... which can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/65832995@N00/sets/72157594364572418/detail/
Which is also linked to a friend's post here: http://digg.com/gaming_news/Wii_vs_PS3_FAQs_for_Walmart_Employees_Cell_10x_faster_than_Pentium - Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Sure the Cell will be powerful but not anywhere near what Sony says.
For example hears what sony said about the CPU in the PS2
"The Emotion Engine is the name of the Central Processing Unit (CPU) used in Sony PlayStation 2 video game consoles. It was jointly designed by Toshiba and Sony and began mass production in 1999. According to MicroDesign Resources, it is two times the speed of a 733 MHz Pentium III and 15 times the speed of a 400 MHz Celeron at handling tasks like full-motion video (SIMD). [1] Despite the name and Sony's initial marketing of the PlayStation 2, this processor is not specifically designed to render realistic "emotions" for game characters."
15 times the speed of a 400 MHz CPU, ROFL!! We all know how that turned out!
It was also able to handle "Toy Story-like graphics"!
"Toy Story-like graphics. 6.2 gigaflops at 300MHz. 75 million 3D transformations per second. 150 million pixels per second of image processing performance."
Oh and I was forgetting, Saddam Hussein acquired 4,000 PS2s to control unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) for use in ballistic missile research, or at least thats what was all over the news a while after the PS2 launch!
if you think im pulling this out of my ass just google it! - selfdisplaced, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14i think i'm just going to goto Walmart and ask them stupid questions directly from this sheet and see what they say.
here's a good one to ask "if i want to play unique and different games, instead of the same rehashed boring stuff...which system should i buy, the Wii or the PS2...errr...umm...PS3"
obviously the Wii - ggko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9No need to put any kind of sales spin on the PS3.
November 17, they could dump the boxes on the floor, shout "here they are, bitches!" and open the front door.
Sold out in 30 minutes. - MartinBob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7True, EE was crap, but it did have more theoretical power. Sony just doesn't(or didn't, depending on the Cell's progress) understand how to tailor their parts towards gaming. Toy Story-like graphics didn't come to gaming, but realtime demonstrations could produce something remotely similar, and at the time of PS2, most console gamers didn't have the eye out they have for gaming now. Things that would seem like minuscule details at the time are now basics to look out for.
Sony didn't REALLY lie(for the most part), they just use techniques to bend the truth. Luckily M$ and Ninty don't try to fool their audience like Sony does, but if you've got a good head on your shoulders, you've predetermined what to expect in comparison to how they present their 'facts'.
"The Emotion Engine is the name of the Central Processing Unit (CPU) used in Sony PlayStation 2 video game consoles. It was jointly designed by Toshiba and Sony and began mass production in 1999. According to MicroDesign Resources, it is two times the speed of a 733 MHz Pentium III and 15 times the speed of a 400 MHz Celeron at handling tasks like full-motion video (SIMD). [1] Despite the name and Sony's initial marketing of the PlayStation 2, this processor is not specifically designed to render realistic "emotions" for game characters."
It doesn't state it being two times the speed of a 733 MHz Pentium III and 15 times the speed of a 400 MHz Celeron...
It says that it's 2x the speed of a P3 and 15x the speed of a Celeron AT HANDLING FMVs, which the PS2 probably CAN do.
Rinse and repeat.
It's just the same as the claims that PS3's that the Cell/RSX runs 2x as fast as X360's CPU and Xenos. Sony says that it's overall system performance is 2 TFLOPS compared to 360's 1 TFLOPS. Ofcourse, this isn't a very accurate way of depicting gaming quality, but they're not lying either. They just wait for fanboys to pick up the knowledge and spread it around the net like rumors used to run in Junior High. - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6and i'm sure he also wanted to pull a ***** stunt on the world, pose as one of two large companies, then "leak" the info for people to eat up. if someone drives to his house and chews him out in person, all the better.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can't wait until the launch is released and (hopefully) everyone figures out all of the consoles have their good and bad points. Why does news that doesn't have to have a slant at all have to have one? Why can't an article about the PS3 be neutral instead of ridiculously horrible or an article about the ps3 be neutral instead of extremely exaggerated toward incredible? I can;t wait until people can really post what they're experiencing with the systems instead of posting and re-posting the same damn "witty" remarks about how much the ps3 sucks or the "Wii will be the best ever thing because it has a cool controller" argument. Three more weeks. Three more weeks and hopefully all of this crap will be gone.
We need balance. I know Digg's not the place, but I'm going to be relieved when the place is clear of the crap.
I guess I should just get over it, but it's annoying to go to almost every single article about the ps3 and be labeled as a moron indirectly because I actually want the system. Why am I not allowed to be interested in all of the consoles equally? Do I really have to choose a faction? - grimlen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5um note what cornloaf said... it is a shady site. k thanks
- imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You just can't believe what you see on Digg... errr... I mean... the internet(s) anymore.
People will do anything for traffic now days...'
Oh, and it sucks to be the people who used their real names and addresses for the "contest". With my entry, I'm sure Homer Simpson of Sprinfield Power will call me and thank me if he wins. ;) - jwigum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actual battles in feudal Japan...
- kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ummm... no.....
The first day I got my PS2, I was wondering why there weren't any games besides SSX out yet. Oh--unless you count that Missile Command rip off. You know, the one with prettier colors and crappier gameplay? - Cornloaf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Sagags
C'mon! Any PS3 fanboy could have used the built-in web browser to look all of this information up on their own! (Unfortunately I am a 360-fanboy so I had to drag my cheeto-eating, UNO playing, Gears of War wanting Ass off of the couch to my desktop to look this information up) - aelias, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm going out on a limb abd saying 23 hours of crap. Standard crap. They're hedging their bets on the 9 hour mark. At least they aren't OVERestimating. The PS2 hype was a joke.
- zaofreek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I can say with a fair amount of certainty that this is -not- a Wal*Mart/Sony sponsored training site. In order for this to happen, employees would have to a)have access to the site and b)be on the clock. These two things could not possibly happen at the same time, since the thin clients at Wal*Mart have access only to Wal*Mart's own intranet, and since working off the clock is against company policy (and this is enforced), they wouldn't be accessing it at home either. All I know is, if Wal*Mart does do training, it will likely be in the form of a crappy video that looks like it was recorded in a basement in the mid 80's.
Buried as innacurate. - termy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You got to just take what people say with a grain of salt. Most people have a fan boy/girl mentality when it comes to these things. I really blame the marketing the companies to get in our heads that one thing is better than the other.
Most people will probably all get a PS3 sooner or later. Personally I'm going to wait for it as well but I have all intention of getting it eventually. For now I have a Wii or pre-order since it is more in my means to purchase.
Lets all just take a moment to actually look at how the gaming market is evolving with each generation. We've had some pretty big leaps and bounds, lets all admire that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I live in Toronto and I know that Walmart. It's in one of the worst neighborhoods in Toronto, so if 'said' employee gets fired they can easily pick up a gig selling crack of prostituting themselves!
- iamcdn28, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dumbass, stupid ***** or asshat. It doesn't need to make sense, assface, it's an insult.
- TheUnashamed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4All sold within 30m?
Well, that I don't doubt, seeing as they have an imminent supply-side shortage on their hands.
Just because a manufacturer makes 100 consoles and they all sell out on launch doesn't make the system popular...not literally speaking, of course. - Astravian, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What exactly is an "asshat"? Is that like a pair of pants?
Did you just call that guy a pair of pants?? - KrazyKoala, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Mr. Sony and Mrs Walmart, "what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
- TheSolomon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Luckily M$ and Ninty don't try to fool their audience like Sony does [...]"
I'll give you Nintendo may not try to distort performance, especially since they've publicly admitted they're not trying to compete from a "raw horsepower" perspective this time around. However claiming that Microsoft provides nothing but truth, with no distortion whatsoever, I believe is inaccurate. Both Sony and Microsoft are guilty of distortions and exaggerations in their relentless "oneupmanship." I don't feel like digging up examples, but we've all read them, and they're easy to find. It's best to take any such details provided by Sony and Microsoft with a grain of salt. - Raian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's obviously a marketing firm or consultant that works for walmart.
- rickywebster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3
I have a copy of Wal-Mart's "Sony PS3 Playbook." While it is carelessly composed, with much of the text lifted verbatim from Sony press releases, it isn't as hyperbolic and misleading as the information found at the “leaked training site.”
The site seems to have no legitimate relationship with Wal-Mart. Why would Wal-Mart contract a random individual to register a Canadian domain devoted to rehashing misleading Sony marketing points? Why would it have any need for a site that can only be accessed by its employees while they are at home and off the clock? Wal-Mart has its own intranet on which it can freely post training resources and which can only be accessed by on-the-clock employees.
So far as I can tell, this site is not affiliated with Wal-Mart, at least not Wal-Mart Stores Division US.
Buried as inaccurate. - maxx77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Im sure that guy wanted someone posting his address and driving directions to his house on the internet........"
He gave that information up when he registered the domain. That's the same info you can get on anyone if you do a WHOIS lookup. - MartinBob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ MasterJeef
Well the Cell is different in many aspects. Considering that graphics comparisons to the PS3 are aimed at/from X360, there are some extra things to keep in mind. (I know it's mostly off-topic though)
-BOTH processors are manufactured and designed around the same chip. Forget the 7 SPEs(PS3) or two extra cores(X360) for just a moment. Most work on current games will be done using the same 3.2GHz Power PC-based core.
Remember: most PC games aren't even completely optimized for dual core processors at the moment. Wait for Quad cored processors to make their way into the gaming field and optimization will start gaining speed for both consoles. IF the PS3 really is more powerful, noticeable advantages will come later in the console's life(by my analogy above, that'd mean we would have Octo-cored processors by then =D). But I mean, seriously- prior to PS3 a 9 cored asymmetrical processor was completely unheard of. (1 main core, 8 'sub' cores, one of which is turned off)
-Xenos and RSX are similarly clocked(Xenos being second in that respect). But new architecture may make Xenos easier to design. Multi platform-wise, whichever system it is first designed for will probably be prettier. I'll try to explain why in layman's terms... First of all. instructions for Xenos are thrown at it through a single pipeline, while RSX must split the set of instructions down two pipelines.
So in this respect, theoretically ofcourse, if a game is completely optimized for PS3, then ported to X360, both sets of instructions can ride smoothly on that shared road, but they've got a lower speed limit.
Conversely, if a game is first optimized for X360 then ported to PS3, they'll fork that set of instructions down the road with a yield sign for whichever ones are able to go first.
Ofcourse, they're are other things to take into account, like prioritizing RAM usage(again, the same amounts, just different types and uses), Blu-ray and HD-DVD's(if it's used for gaming) data transfer rates, and just about every other damn thing under the sun.
In short, if you like candy-coating enough, PS3 tells no lies. - martyf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1OK, let's clear some stuff up right here and now. Since this was leaked by someone, I feel quite comfortable in explaining how this site came about.
First of all, let me explain why I know so much about this site - it's the last project I worked on while I was an employee of a New York company called DLI, which has an e-learning product called ScribeStudio - and if you notice, the URL of the site transforms from "www.ps3training.ca" to http://ps3.scribestudio.com/saveLessonPage.do.
The site is intended for Sony Canada, and my client, as some have discovered here, was a really nice guy from Canada named Mel Fishman, who hired DLI to build a simple e-learning program for the PS3 retailers in Canada. Mel works with a wide range of companies to help them with product launches and this was a teeny tiny little corner of the program for the PS3 launch that Mel is working on in Canada. You all shoud be so lucky as to work with a guy like Mel. But I digress.
The Pair account was used because of some specific technical needs that the project had, the intention was to have a relatively limited audience accessing the site. The pair site hands off to the ScribeStudio site and that's pretty much it.
I can't comment on the copy and the content on the training site, because all I was responsible for was getting the content into the e-learning software, checking it for glaring errors in spelling and format, and that was it.
Anyway, there's nothing nefarious, mysterious or even particularly complex about this site - it's a simple retail sales force training program, an alternative to the usual slideshow or photocopies of product brochures that go out to the salesforce. It was a quick and realtively simple job. I don't work at DLI anymore, but they do all sorts of interesting stuff and this was one of those things.
Check out the blog of the two brothers who run the place: http://blog.scribestudio.com - often amusing, occasionally daft, infrequently boring. - dubloe7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1theyre probably doing 'time it takes to do a certain task' as compared to a scale that doesnt mean anything anymore when it comes to processors.
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4my thought too, I hope its a general code for the whole store/area so they cant track who let it out.
- metalshed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i want the ps3, period. i'm so tired of people saying wii wii wii... i'll buy both, what's with the whole taking sides. let's not forget the first day we played ps2, we we're in awe.
- negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Considering the Supply and Demand ratio, 30 minutes may even be a tad generous.
- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"You can play PS3 Videogames from anywhere in the world on your PS3
You answered false. The correct answer is true."
New to me...... - MasterJeef, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually it specifically says this:
According to MicroDesign Resources, it is two times the speed of a 733 MHz Pentium III and 15 times the speed of a 400 MHz Celeron at handling tasks like full-motion video (SIMD).
SIMD extensions (or what is known as SSE) are specific instructions meant for certain things like decoding video, vector math, etc. Which, I might add, the emotion engine (which is a r5900 plus special vector units) was very good at. These numbers are believable for sure. However, it sure didn't live up to the marketing hype and it as also extremely hard to program for.
The Cell is very similar in these regards (massive stream processing, real hard to program for) so we'll have to wait and see how it plays out. - negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How about neither? I love Nintendo games as much as anyone else, but you're a fool to say that they aren't "rehashes" of previous games. How many times have we had to play Zelda, Mario, Metroid? The same goes for Sony also, but they aren't nearly as reliant on their classic franchises as Nintendo is.
- enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wonder if there is a guarantee on the games!
- MaSC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wish sony would sort the prices out, i want a ps3 but I aint gonna get one at those prices
- CanadianGeese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The site may be for WalMart Canada, but it was obviously created by Sony. It's full of lies, exaggerations, and candy-coating. According to the training site, Blu-Ray has three time the capacity of HD-DVD. Since when is 50GB three times bigger than 30GB? What a joke.
- imjosh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Awesome it comes with "fun and games"
I wonder if there is a guarantee on the fun? - enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Another FAQ full of misleading information, some from Sony, some from the clueless morons that run walmart. Why doesn't some major publication do a TRUE fact sheet and publish that? Oh wait, I know why...because it would make Sony look bad.
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