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- MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+72Well you have to remember that these games are made by third party developers. Nintendo can't exactly tell them to make family friendly games. And it's not really Nintendo's vision to be considered kiddy. They just believe that you don't need to see blood, and tons of cursing and other crap like that to have fun. And as far as I've seen, they've proven that time and time again.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Somebody Digg the comment I'm replying to up, I hit the wrong button by mistake. Sorry.
I really have to agree. I don't understand why it's necessary for a game to be gory and filled with cursing for it to be a good game for adults. Mario Kart and Smash Brothers are some of my all-time favorite games. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29It will always just be plain "Nintendo" to me.
- bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21I don't think Nintendo sits around and says "hey let's make some games for kids", I think they sit there and say "hey let's try and make a fun game that everybody can play, and not resort to using adult themes to sell the product.
So I don't ever think I'll understand how they are "kiddie." - galfridus73, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25I completey disagreee. It's the hardcore gamers I know who actually own Gamecubes and DSs, etc. The non-hardcore are PS2-only players, and the Xbox-only players are the ones who think they are "HARDCORE TO THE XXXTREME", but, in reality, are compensating for something.
I'm not, by the way, saying that those with only a PS2 or an XB who cannot afford another console fall into into the above categories. If your buddget is tight, yes you will likely buy one console (most likely the PS2) with the widest selection of games. I'm talking about the playa-hatas out there who won't play on one of the other two systems because they think it makes them a fanboy.
So, simply: The hardcore gamers will be the ones buying a Wii on launch day. Anyone else who claims to be a hardcore gamer and simply dismisses the Wii out of hand is nothing less than a poser. - Poddo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Just because they are trying to shake the "kiddy image" doesn't mean they have to drop their flagship titles (pokemon, mario, marios sports, etc...). They're just trying to give us a variety. And I like it.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28Why in the world would they? No one else has as many family safe titles then Nintendo. Why would they go and ruin that? Why try to compete with PS3 and Xbox for hardcore gamers when they know they would lose to them out of the gate?
They may have more adult titles but there will still be a plethora of family friendly titles
Hardcore gamers are not what make Nintendo money , it's the moms and dads who buy their children their consoles and games. - Mac2492, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Wii'll see about that.
- drojr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Indeed ... I'm all for grit, realism, and general depravity when it comes to film - but video games, at least in the view of most Nintendo developers, are about creating worlds you actually want to escape to/exist in regularly.
- bdr529, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16yeah they should call it xWii or something
- Dasme, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13True, but it would be nice to have choice. There are kid friendly games onthe PS2 as well, just a large amount of more hardcore games for the older crowd.
- Johnny1337h4x0r, on 10/12/2007, -23/+32k, you can stop with the piss crap. After three days I actualy believe that it's an excellent name. I can comfortably use it in a conversations (as I already have). Unless you actualy try to make it sound funny (hey lets go play with my wee, who the hell says lets go play with my xbox? You say lets go play xbox at my place or something like that) it's a very good name. There's no mistaking it like playstation 360 or gamestation (and not I didn't rip off a post from before, yes I've heard these misused all the time from parents), Wii will stay Wii. Also, the name separates the mature from the immature. The mature aren't laughing at the name and the immature can't stop laughing about the piss jokes.
- Jestermask, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14This hardcore gamer gives Nintendo plenty of money. Nothing wrong with that.
- Trjn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I honestly don't get why people label a lot of the games on the Gamecube "kiddy"
Lets just look at a few examples.
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker, Viewtiful Joe, Super Mario Sunshine, and hell, I don't know, some other random Nintendo game (yes, I know VJ is by Capcom, and also on the PS2, but it was originally a GCN exclusive).
Now, really, the only thing that makes them "kiddy" is that ANYONE can play them and that they have somewhat bright colours.
I personally think that the people who focus on getting the "Mature" games are the immature ones because they seem to focus more on the gore content and grittyness of a game than the actual gameplay.
Call Nintendo's past efforts kiddy all you like people, call me a fanboy while you're at it, but the fact of the matter is that appealing to EVERYONE is different than appealing to kids. - OwenX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but while I don't hate the name "Wii" I find the name Revolution was a far more meaningful and powerful name.
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11The name is wiird.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10If Wii bothers everyone so much, STFU and call it the Revolution still. Damn you people complain about the stupidest ***** sometimes. What does it matter what it's called? The name doesn't make the actual console better or worse.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"I completey disagreee. It's the hardcore gamers I know who actually own Gamecubes and DSs, etc. The non-hardcore are PS2-only players, and the Xbox-only players are the ones who think they are "HARDCORE TO THE XXXTREME", but, in reality, are compensating for something."
Thats because we have lost the definition of what a "hardcore gamer" is. We tend to link the hardcore aspects of a game (such as blood and sex) with that of a "hardcore" gamer, who really is a person who spends a large amount of times playing video games and/or is very good at them. - TheBrandman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7That's an extremely valid point, but they are alienating a large demographic with a mostly kid friendly repetoire. Not all children are up to date with the times. For example, last year in a waiting room I heard a kid maybe 11 years old tell his mom how spectacular the Ninendo 64 because "you can get it in any color you want". It's not gameplay the kids are after, it's the more basic things. GameCube owned and will probably continue to own that demographic for a few more years, and since the Wii's objective is to reach a wider audience, I think it's good they shurg off some of the attention to that while diversifying their arsenal to provide games tolerable by both the hardcore games and the new old/new gamers they hope to hook in.
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I can't believe people are still getting into the debate about game ratings. So what if Nintendo's consoles don't have as many M-rated titles as other consoles? Saying that because you're a gamer old enough to play mature rated games means you should only play mature rated games is, well, immature. You really only need a T-rated amount of violence at most to have awesome sword fight on the wii.
- sych0, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13Yea, the names grown on me too. I dig it. Also, itll forever be "lets play nintendo" to me :) (even when referring to playstation!)
- Dasme, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah, because we all want a console that needs a $2000 accessory to play
- lo0ol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I think what this article might be trying to argue (it's dugg for me atm) is that Nintendo is not alienating the adult crowd. Durrok, you argue that they shouldn't alienate younger gamers and those looking for family-friendly titles; I think this argument applies the other way, too.
I personally think there's a ton of room either way. Sure, you can use the remote and surgically cut out someone's jugular and then strangle the guy with it, but if anyone's scared that there won't be family-friendly aspects to this controller they're really mistaken. The system offers so many non-violent aspects that we've never had before. I think there will be fantastic games in the mature sector, and I think there will be fantastic games in the family-friendly sector (BOTH of which I really want to play, by the way).
I never agreed with the sentiment that the Gamecube was solely a "kiddie platform", but it's nice to see that there's some games for the rest of us out there, too. Personally, as I mentioned before, I'm ecstatic to see and play both sides: I love to do horribly illegal things within a game like GTA, but I also love playing games like Mario Tennis or Pikmin (although Pikmin is kind of like Gamecube heroin, I love it). - Dasme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They are kiddy because the kids who tell their mom and dads what they want for christmas/birthdays etc say they are kiddy. Personally I find all the games on the Gamecube fun.. kiddy or not. But for NIntendo to do better in this generation they have to bring in new customers (They are doing that with the controller anyone can use) and convince old customers to give them another try. The best way to to the latter is to kill off their kiddy stigma, and focus on games for all types of people.. not just the Pokemon generation.
- TheBrandman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm not too fluent with console politics, but can't Nintendo deny the right to use their hardware if they feel the content is inappropriate?
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sure, Nintendo can decide who can and can't distribute Wii titles. But they'd be silly to be restrictive. We can all see how long Microsoft held on to the idea of exclusivity on the XBox once the developers started passing on writing for them.
- somesthetic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm going to go ahead and just say no, they're not.
- elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Unfortunately for you, 'errors' is plural. This means that your use of 'there's' should actually be 'there are'
- KidVicious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Oh, let it go. The name is a name. If you haven't figured out their rationale (which is pretty damn simple), then you weren't going to buy one, anyhow."
I'd like to know their rationale. I was planning on buying Revolution all along, and I thought that name was awesome, but Wii? You may disagree but I think that name sounds stupid as all get out. - ZephyrWest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The duggmirror works but it has the old version of the article. We had to change it a little bit because of a mistake we found. We confused "The Darkness" with "Darkness" and some people were getting confused. Read the first 20 or so comments and you'll see what happened.
http://www.duggmirror.com/gaming/Is_Nintendo_going_Mature_with_the_Wii_/ - human1138, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i am 27years old and there is nothing "kiddie" about nintendo, it's just plain fun. to say nintendo should stop being so kiddie, is to say they shouldn't make mario games anymore. being kiddie is what alot of people love about nintendo, mario, mariokart, marioparty, mario golf, baseball, luigis mansion, wario world, zelda. if nintendo stopped being "kiddie", i wouldn't buy it anymore.
- Pocky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm so sick of hearing about how Nintendo is for kids. I understand, you're 13 so YOU want to shake the little kid image, and you over compensate. You equate gore to fun. You're too cool for Mario or Zelda anymore. Nintendo is for kids because they make fun games instead of cool games.
Here's a little hint. You'll grow out of this phase, and eventually you will do one of two things: 1. Give up on gaming. 2. Play games because they are fun, not because they are cool (who has time to be wasting on games that aren't even fun?).
What Nintendo is doing by releasing "adult" themed games is not targeting adults. They are targeting males between 13-24. This is a large gaming demographic, and it makes sense to sell games to this crowd, but don't kid yourself into thinking these "adult" games are for adults.
Please anyone over the age of say 23, let me know if YOU think Nintendo is for kids. - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4But that's what they have been doing, focusing on types of games for all people.
In the end I don't even think that Nintendo really wants the dollar from somebody who is just looking for blood and guts over fun. Although they did have some "mature" titles on Gamecube like Resident Evil 4 and Killer 7, they both get a pass because they were both INTERESTING games. They weren't just like the NARC remake or some other gratuitous piece of garbage. - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Nintendo's strategy is not to cater to pre-existing gaming audiences, but rather to expand the definition of gaming itself. Just like they did with Brain Age in Japan (by a different name, I think.)
It's not about young gamers versus "mature" gamers, it's about current non-gamers or casual gamers. - Johnny1337h4x0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5last time i checked aren't they comming out with a first person game where you can shoot people and cut them apart, also there's a horror/rpg coming out (sadness or something like that) where you can take a glass shart and cut someone's throat. I believe this is more hardcore (considering you actualy move the remote in the same fassion as cutting someone's throat) that anything on market.
- Sababaaa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Anybody else suffering from the digg effect?
- zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ummm. I'm an adult and I like nintendo games as they are. what kiddy image?
- QueyJoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Jestermask: Actually, non-hardcore gamers give Nintendo buckets of money, just look at Nintendogs. That puppy (pun intended) had four+ variants in the top-ten selling video games several weeks running. So, while other companies rake it in with one title, they're raking it in with four palette swaps, and I don't think any games who consider themselves 'hardcore' rushed out to buy any of them.
Marketing genius. - dexcarm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the name is great. Consider it, X-Box.... that's not a very good name, a lot of my friends hated it at launch. But its grown on them. N64. Stupid name, successful console. Its not about the name, its about the games.
And to ModernTenshi, I totally agree, I have been a nintendo fanboy all my life. I own a gamecube, and have enjoyed Prince of Persia: Warrior Within, Resident Evil 4 and other "mature" games very much. The point is that these games were standouts, I think there are less than 20 M rated games on the gamecube, so an M rated game is quite a suprise. But now Nintendo seems to be changing that with 3 M rated LAUNCH titles. - ZephyrWest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who care's about what the name of the console it?
- boardo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In my opinion, 2 of the most entertaining games from the past generation have been mario kart and super smash bros.
They may be referred to as "kiddy games" but I know thousands of adults still enjoy those titles everyday. Having family oriented games is not always a bad thing. - fingiecrookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2At least Nintendo can come up with characters that last more than 20 years. Seriously, I don't see why they're a bad thing.
Now, if you were trying to say they should quit making the same games over and over again, then I still wouldn't agree with you (not fully that is), but at least you'd have some sort of a point. - kilodelta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2wasn't Mortal Kombat II supposed to kick this stigma? or was it the exclusive Resident Evil games?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's great about the Wii is that, though nintendo might have the image as kiddy, the Wii's asthetics do not speak it. Instead, it is a very sleek and cool design, quite a departure from how the N64/GC looked.
- ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why do people still think that Nintendo isn't for mature titles? More to the point, why the level of mature titles defines whether a console is good or not?
Looking at my GameCube games at the moment, I have 3 mature titles in my posession, but I've played plenty more for the system. Nintendo has plenty of mature titles, and a lot of them are damn good, particularly the Resident Evil series, and Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem.
I also did some number crunching regarding mature titles for Xbox. A discussion broke out on a forum I moderate at and someone said that Xbox wins because it has the most mature titles. So I decided to check something. I figured a "good" game would be any game that has an average score of 8.0 or better, basically a B or better in terms of a score. Out of all the mature titles on Xbox, 1/3 of them met this minimum score, meaning that, sure it has a ton of mature titles, but 2/3 of them really aren't worth playing.
Call me a Nintendo fanyboy if you want, I won't deny it, but I'm tired of people saying that Nintendo doesn't have any good mature titles, and that it sucks because it doesn't have as many as other systems do.
Overall, though, these games sound fantastic, especially Sadness. - pozzoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm a spanish speaker. Wii doesn't mean anything in spanish.
- Dasme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2McG2k1: Wow I must of touched a nerve… so many personal attacks… ahh the days of being in high school again.
What I was saying is that why would Nintendo want to force the purchase of a HDTV on its fans, when only a few percentages of households in the US/Canada have one already? If you don't understand that you should read up on marketing and economics.
Nintendo is saying that the Wii is not about graphics, it's about games. The Wii will play on your HD tv, and it will play on you SD tv. There is also talk, from a IGN interview with EA, that the Wii will support widescreen 480p so we aren't talking about a true SD device.
"Because like it or not in 3 more years you aren't going to be able to buy a non-digital television? But I guess you'll still be playing on your dad's 20" tube in the basement. Enjoying the full catalog of 2d downloadable titles at their full 480i resolution just like everyone else did 20 years ago. OMG that sounds so awesome!"
Again, Nintendo isn't selling this product in 3 years. They are selling it this year. They want as many people as possible to experience this new piece of hardware. Keeping it SD is the best way to do this.
"Its called progress and Nintendo isn't making any, they’re betting that kids, like you, will be wowed by the power glove again. Meanwhile adults who grew up gaming have moved out of the house and now own their own high definition televisions and we expect a console to deliver content in compatible formats. Nintendo is still stuck trying to prove their Famicom game downloading concept from 20 years ago in japan. Zzzz."
Oh, and a 3d motion sensing, positionally aware controller isn't progress? Mmm.. right. Nintendo is the only game company out there innovating. They invented the Analog controller, they invented the Rubmble feature, they invented the current handheld gaming market, and they invented consumer friendly touchscreen games. Now they will invent a system with a controller anyone can use. Please tell me how that isn't progress. Tell me how that isn't innovation.
Now adding in a virtual console to the mix is just great icing. If there aren't any current games you want to play you can download a classic for a few bucks. They are targeting this product for the mainstream, with all the info they have released so far on the Wii.. I think they are set to do just that.
Now please take your flaming elsewhere.. no one wants to hear your unintelligent blathering.
Oh, and BTW I am not a kid. My first console was the Atari 2600.. I’ve grown up with games. And I think Nintendo is doing the right thing with the Wii. - Tiak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Erm, actually I disagree with most of your point... I agree that they don't want to cator to hardcore gamers and that isn't where their money is going to come from, but if you've caught any of their nifty marketing speak about Wii, they don't want to stay closseted and immature... They don't want to be the console moms and dads buy for their kids to be family friendly, they want to be the console that moms and dads buy fames for themselves on. They want to be accessable to all demographics and ages, most of which are older than 13 and thusly might not want to play huggy friendly games all day.
That's their goal with the console, trying to diverge from the console industry, and get not hardcore gamers, but complete non-gamers to want to play it... Which does mean a good deal of games not targetted for children and family friendliness... It also likely means in theory games less demeaning towards females (so picking up so family friendliness along the way), but that's yet to be seen... - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think you'll find that not only can Nintendo restrict which titles can be released on their console, they also charge developers for the licencing.
- hardkoretom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i dont believe too many call this out but here goes. Nintendo isnt a company stuck on kiddie games alone. From my experience since the NES days ,with mostly every other system tried, not one of them have been able to completely rival nintendo with the "Fun Factor". There have been the occasional hits such as Final Fantasy and Grand Theft Auto but who here can honestly say they have never had more fun playing nintendo game than others. Just think back to the greats such as Punch Out, the Zelda and Metroid series and even more recently with Eternal Darkness and Pikmin.
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