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- n00bst3r, on 10/12/2007, -12/+79Ad space does not necessarily mean that a website is bought out.
- imikedaman, on 10/12/2007, -45/+108It could just be *gasp* that the launch titles weren't that great. Giving objective reviews instead of automatically gushing over anything Nintendo isn't cause for alarm.
- CornStarch, on 10/12/2007, -21/+79Ziff Davis is not owned by Microsoft you idiot. You don't have to be on the MS payroll to wish Nintendo was coming out with games that look like Gears of War. Go ahead and rate me down, but I wish the wii had better graphics.
- PasteEater, on 10/12/2007, -13/+55*Disclamier*
I own an Xbox 360. And since I got my first Mac SE in 1990, I have not used anything but a Mac for my day to day tasks, so I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft (but I'm not anti-Microsoft either... obviously). And I'm from Detroit originally.
The point? I'm a huge fan of the underdog.
But when I read things like this:
"Nintendo went a different route this generation and deserves to be looked at in a more fair light that gives them credit for trying to take gaming into a new direction that gets it out of the rut of rehashes with simply upgraded graphics and little to no gameplay enhancements."
(Did you quote that wholesale from the marketing brochure?)
Or this:
"The Wii does not simply offer a shallow increase of enjoyment when playing video games with graphical tricks, it’s a new and improved method for playing video games and having fun that many people from old school gamers to those that haven’t played a single video game can recognize."
(Shallow to who, you arrogant *****? Am I shallow for enjoying a better viewing experience? Buddy, I owned an Atari 2600. I've been waiting to see graphics like this my whole life.)
I have a hard time believing that you (the author) are being objective. (No *****... the wiiexperience.com has a problem with wii games not getting outstanding reviews?!?)
I'm sure that the Wii is fun, and I would like to get my hands on one as soon as they are readily available. But maybe, Gamespot does not share the author's optimism. Perhaps they are just not buying into the hype.
For crying out loud, they are hardly pissing on it. They are just not handing out glowing reviews. Fair? Who's to say?
However, anyone who is interested knows that the Wii has gotten great reviews. Even those who *aren't* interested know that. Maybe Gamespot is trying anchor this (some would say) bloated optimism with a little skepticism. - pronouncable, on 10/12/2007, -10/+44Paying for advertising != Paying for better review scores
Look at 1up's The 1up Show, 9/10 ads on it are PS3 ads. - Oogler, on 10/12/2007, -5/+38I'm looking for innovation on all the fronts in gaming. Sound, controls and yes graphics too. Maybe that's what GameSpot is trying to point out here.
Graphics in games do matter. They aren't the be all and end all but when you *know* that the power is out there to make Wii games look way, way, way better than they do *and* tag that along with truly innovative gameplay it's not difficult to become pissy about the direction Nintendo has chosen to take.
It is completely disengenous to say that graphics don't matter and that Nintendo should get a 'get-of-jail-free-card' for trying something 'innovative' in another area. The low-res route was simply economics and *nothing* else. To me, that takes a serious amount of gas out of the Nintendo 'innovative controls over visual presentation' balloon. It just feels like a marketing trick - a stop gap measure until graphic chip engines come down in cost.
There's a reason we don't wash our clothes on rocks by the river anymore, as romantic as that sounds. It's not because they found a stone that agetates the dirt from our delicates more effectively. There's a reason people don't watch black and white tv's any more either and it's not because someone came up with rectangular aspect ratio over the original porthole 'scope' design.
Historically every Nintendo console generation has improved in graphic output. Now they're saying we don't need that to have fun, but here's a pretty new stick to play with so you're not pissed at us. Calling them on that isn't wrong. I'll still buy a Wii but I feel Nintendo has let me down by shifting gears and saying this new control style feature they've dreamed up will make me forget I'm looking at comparatively sub-par graphics. Innovative control != a lack of desire for stunning visual presentation anymore than it does for bad sound, clumsy interface, boring game play etc.
Gamespot should not be chastised for calling it what it is. - pronouncable, on 10/12/2007, -25/+54Heaven forbid people view review sites as an alternative view on something.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -19/+47"The fundamental principle of a game (board / computer / sport) is to be fun"
That's just your interpretation: realism and fun are NOT mutually exclusive from my point of view.
The purpose of gaming for me is to do things that I can't do on real life, such as: become a boxer, race formula 1 (and other high performance) cars, fly fighter jets. To create the illusion of realism I NEED realistic graphics. To say that is wrong is downright retarded.
Basically for my needs waving a wiimote and playing Mario games does not cut the mustard. Again, to say this is wrong is stupid and narrowminded. - RubberbandLN6, on 10/12/2007, -14/+42I really can not understand the backlash against Gamespot for what in my mind is a totally fair and rational review. They gave Twilight Princess a 8.8 which is great, and I agree with almost every point they hit upon.
It is just an opinion that does not make the review fact, so don't treat it as such and just like this article is an opinion; don't treat it as a fact that Gamespot is "behind the times". I mean what is the point of reviews that if the reviewer does not give a high enough score to a certain game than they will receive an all out lashing in the hands of the public. I guess the only solution is to give a perfect 10 or high 9 to every game that has a huge, loyal fan base because well that is the common opinion that is acceptable and anything that disturbs that common opinion is just garbage. All I have to say is just ease up. - whereisian, on 10/12/2007, -19/+44Because they have their own opinion?
- mt066, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28I've never seen a fan base of ANYTHING with such a sense of entitlement. Anything that isn't instant praise of the almighty wii controller instantly has their very mental capacity challenged, because surely they must be mentally inadequate to not understand such unprecedented glory. Even the Apple fanatics aren't this bad.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26I think the writer of this article is more out of touch then anything. He uses sites like 'GoNintendo.com' and 'thewiiexperience.com' in order to illustrate Gamespot's review scores are too low?
I may not agree with all of Gamespot's reviews but I would still take their word on a nintendo game over a biased site named GoNintendo, or thewiiexperience.
Seriously, compare the reviews to some non - fanboy sites and you will find them a little closer to the norm. - rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -44/+67Graphics whores still don't get it.
The fundamental principle of a game (board / computer / sport) is to be fun. How fun was Sim City? How fun was Commander Keen? How fun was Super Mario Brothers? Did they have flashy graphics?
If Gears of War could be played with crappy graphics, and still be fun, then I'd consider it a great game.
Function over form.
Digg me down graphics whores, you'll never know the awe everyone felt when they first fired up Super Mario 64. - kauko, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28I've posted this before, but here goes. Have a look at the list of Wii reviews by GameSpot in score order:
http://www.gamespot.com/reviews.html?type=reviews&platform=1031&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&sortdir=asc&sortdir=asc
Now please tell me where exactly GameSpot is "out of touch"? Let's leave Zelda out of this for now. Is GameSpot out of touch when they give GT Pro 5.1? Or 6.8 to Excite Truck? What about 5.5 for Red Steel?
Could it be, by any chance, that the current lineup of Wii games is really not that spectacular after all? Could it be that it's the Wii fans who are a little bit of out of touch at the moment?
It's not just Gamespot who seems to think that the currently available Wii games are not that hot:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/wii/scores/
If you cross reference Metacritic's list to the scores GameSpot has given, you'll see that apart from Zelda there is very little deviation from the average. Few tenths here and there don't really matter if we're talking about games which get 6.5 on average.
ps. Shockingly, PS3 has more 80+/100 games than Wii right now:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/ - RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28It's not just Gamespot: the big review sites lack integrity, professionalism, and decent writers. I don't rely on one site when judging a game; instead I read Metacritic, user reviews, and listen to my friends' opinions.
But yeah, I stopped reading Gamespot once they started filling webspace with dev diaries. These are just shameless ways of off-shoring your writing to devs who gloat about how awesome their next project is.
PS: 8.8 is a solid review for any game - pronouncable, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24"lol omg they've sold out"
There's nothing wrong with their views, they hate micro transactions, WW2 hashes, ports and think Sony has been doing some silly stuff recently. That's a pretty common consensus. - bastel, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30They play their games sitting on the couch ;) 'nuff said.
- EuphopiaB, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20God forbid someone has a different view on Zelda or the Wii.
Can the fans not be happy with it getting a "great"? I mean, come on. It isn't like they are giving it a 2/10 or something absurd. - frozen1, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24Gamespot is not behind the times, Most gamespot editors have been alive since the NES or pre NES days this makes them more then qualified to review games that have been rehashed for 20+ years with updated graphics. The "old curmudgeons" are aware of the serious lack of innovation in the game industry.
The truth is a bunch of kids these days have never played the huge swatch of old games and have the repetoire of someone who's played an enormous amount for 20 or so years.
Giving Zelda: TP 8.8 hardly seems like a bitchslap, Metal Gear solid 3, a game which I consider the best MGS of the whole series thus far only got an 8.8 on gamespot for being a sequel even though I disagreed I would have given it more, but bitching about .2 or .7 of a point is splitting hairs really. - kinesis8, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Here's some insight as to how gamespot reviews their games:
http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html
Just because they gave a sport game 8.8 doesn't mean that it's on the same level as Twilight Princess. They're not even in the same genre..
Anyways, this is what gamerankings.com said about the games you listed:
Colin McRae Rally 04 85.4%
Madden NFL 2005 89.5%
NCAA Football 06 87.1%
NBA 2K6 85.1%
MVP Baseball 2005 86.9%
NCAA Football 07 87.2%
Now those cumulative scores don't seem that far off of a 8.8 to me. I find it pretty amusing how I'm being buried despite the fact that most people would agree with 8.8 being a good score. Don't get me wrong, I'd be a bit suspicious if they gave Zelda:TP a 6 or lower, but getting upset over a 8.8?? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21so gamespot is behind the times for not liking nintendo.
riiiiiiiiiight. - Vokas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17When a game is 50 - 60 bucks i'll gladly read a review before buy, then decide.
- alphonse55, on 10/12/2007, -35/+48Gamespot used to be my favorite site for game reviews. Lately I have found their reviews worthless. When 9 out of 10 other gaming sites all agree on something and Gamespot thinks otherwise that is usually a give away.
- pronouncable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Maybe if you read into it, you'd notice they rate games on how they hold up to being worth a purchase, not as if it had just come out the day before.
- lukemayes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Giving the new Zelda (which seems to be a great game) the same score as Call of Duty 3 does seem a little strange to me, but one score doesn't make them "out of touch". Besides, the website that this story links to is obviously a wii fanboy site, with uneducated writers.
- Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23Twilight Princess is surely great, but most of its gameplay elements were pioneered by Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker. Just because it's the best Zelda doesn't make it the most innovative Zelda.
Should every single Wii game get a boosted score just for using the Wiimote? They're all going to do that. - pronouncable, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Calling other people fanboys being a fanboy is the epitome of the internet.
- Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I like how Gamespot goes against the established hype. They have balls
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14"We're not contesting 8.8 as a good score, I'm simply saying that this game deserves better than a 'good score'. Everyone I know who's played it has frigg'n loved it to death, ranking up there with RE4 from last year."
That really is an opinion. I have played a Wii for hours and I am not won over. People seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree must be wrong but that is a point of view. Looking at sites that produces a ratio of all games reviewed such as metacritic or gamerankings shows that gamespot is in ballpark range. You don't agree with thier review.... tough because many other people and sites do. This is becoming childish. - f3l1x, on 10/12/2007, -42/+53c|net.... Microsoft pays. Have you noticed the "Next gen now" ads for 360 on every consoles portal page? Gamespot is not what it used to be :(
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I agree. It's like they are trying to make it mandatory to conform to their stupid views that Nintendo created the world in 7 days. Anything else is blasphemy.
I gotta ask, have these idiots always been like this or is it just more easy to see with these 'social' websites? The last console war was childish, but this one is an order of magnitude worse. - knyghtryda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@Ignignokt01
can't say much for EA sports stuff (nor can I say very much for EA), but Colin McRae is one of the better racing series out there, unless you're the NFS type, and want your racing with a dash of b-movie acting. - xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Man an 8+ on gamespot =' a Great game. I personally agreed with the Zelda Review after playing it. People just hold these game reviews like if they determine a great game from a ok game. As long as you have fun with a game and like it then its a great game imo, don't let someone else's opinion get on your nerves so much.
- MatttK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Arg... most of its gameplay elements were pioneered by Zelda 1 and 3. Ocarina may have brought 3D but the basic points of the game all have 2D equivalents in the NES and SNES versions of the game. Ocarina is the Final Fantasy VII of Zelda. :/
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -18/+28You know what else got an 8.8 on gamespot? Madden NFL 2005, Colin McRae Rally 04, NCAA Football 06, NBA 2K6, MVP Baseball 2005, NCAA Football 07...
Yeah... no. My only respect for Gamespot is giving Perfect Dark, a sleeper classic, a 9.9. Other than that I disagree with their reviews almost every time. - eric1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Agreed.
Say what you will about the maturity of GameFAQs, but I get all my reviews from there. Yeah, there are a lot of fanboys but if you read enough reader articles, you get a much better feel for the game than any 'professional' review site. - TheXeno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You mean to organize a fanboy campaign to protest a gaming site's right to share their opinion? It's already going on here. How about you allow others their opinions, and enjoy what you enjoy, and let other enjoy what they enjoy.
- DeepFreezed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9so gamespot doesn't agree with all you Nintendo fans and they are behind the times? just listen your selves, you guys sound so delusional and far from any reality.
- zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@MouseCircus. Imagination? That's the dumbest argument I have ever heard in favour of poor graphics to date. Why don't you just dig into the vast recesses of your imagination and enjoy an Atari 2600? Why do you need a wiimote, since a good old fashioned joystick + your massive imagination is clearly a superior combination?
- vhold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This is fantastically lame. It's a review site. They are entitled to their opinion.
What good is a review site that gives every game 9s and 10s? There has to be -some- kind of curve otherwise it serves no purpose. These nintendo fan sites that give everything 9s and 10s are like a kid running around the room flailing his arms saying everything is totally awesome. Not very useful for making a purchasing decision. - ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Digg me down graphics whores, you'll never know the awe everyone felt when they first fired up Super Mario 64."
Um, you'll never know the awe everyone felt when they first played Super Mario Bros....
How's THAT for blanket generalizations? I really believe this is the same mindset that drives Nintendo fanboys to be distinctly defensive of their systems. They are willing to worship at the altar of Miyamoto, disregarding any crack in Nintendo's armor. Failures don't happen, every innovation is a revolution, every success is a masterpiece, anyone who can't see that is uninitiated, a "graphics whore," a fool.
Tell that to the people who bought 106 million PS2's. Were we graphics whores back then?
In case you haven't noticed, gamespot gives different scores to gameplay and graphics. Even if your game were stick figures, that would only be ONE PART of the score. Get over it. No game deserves "extra credit" for trying something new. It's either a good game or it's not.
I am tempted to digg down this article for being on a site called "thewiiexperience.com" and attacking a reviewer who is pretty much in line with most other review sites. Stop complaining about reviews and start complaining about games! - Orat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10A blog called "The Wii Experience" is upset over a Nintendo game not receiving what it feels is a high enough score on Gamespot, a platform neutral media outlet, but instead defers to the judgment of a site called "GoNintendo".
And Gamespot is accused of bias.
The ironing is delicious. - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is amusing. You guys really are creative:
- First you'll try to say that they just don't understand what fun means.
- Then you'll attempt to tie them to some kind of financial conspiracy theory.
Then you'll just throw up your arms and try to 'prove' they are wrong by virtue of some score displayed on gonintendo.com.
Give it a rest and understand that not everyone likes Nintendo games. - Systematic1, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Gamespot always gives lower scores than everyone else, and once and a while, will go ***** insane and give a mediocre game like a 9.3 while all other reviews give it a 7.5.
- omninode, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Different people have different opinions about things. You might think graphics don't matter. Not everyone agrees. Gamespot's reviewers apparently don't agree.
Get over it.
Why would you be annoyed about a game (or several games) getting a low review score? Why does it matter to you? What do you have at stake? Nothing, unless you run a website called thewiiexperience.com or gonintendo.com which depends on the success of an individual company.
And that's just messed up. - bj00rn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Jesus Christ... This is news worthy...? You Nintendo fanboys are really worthy of your reputation. Again; Holy crap [face_sick]
This is REALLY lame... - DEaDIRiS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm giving Twilight Princess a 7.4
Watchyall think about that? - justice7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I read the article...
it is the most biased piece of garbage i have read in a LONG time.
Once you get over the "control scheme" of the Wii, and it becomes old hat, look at the games and compare them against each other. Was the game built to its fullest potential? Were the controls well thought out and does everything clique properly?
Maybe gamespot is on to something, maybe they are trying to see through the hype and fanboyism that has struck the internet in the form of the Wii. If you read that article, look at just how biased it is towards a positive Wii. It is absolutely absurd that one would post something so biased and claim that someone ELSE is being biased.
For every time i get dug down its proof of blind fanboyism, because i'm simply stating a fact. - eMximeR, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This whole article doesn't seem to be valid, except for them giving Zelda:TP a 8.8. If you check this graph http://gonintendo.com/?p=10221 you can see that most of there reviews are around the average, some are even higher than the average.
- harpwn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Originally posted by KireGoTI, reflects my opinions perfectly.
The disparity in scores doesn't bother me here. The problem is that they go and play this Zelda game, say that it functions just like a Zelda game, and then proceed to lower its rating because it's not "innovative" enough. By which they mean, it's too much like a Zelda game. A Zelda game where you turn into a wolf, fight on horseback, and use new items to solve unique puzzles. That's what I got out of the Gamecube review.
On the other hand, the Wii review says that the game is fantastic, again, but that the Wii controls feel tacked on, the speaker is buggy, and the graphics are dated. But other than that it's a perfect game. So they play the version without Wii controls, without the speaker, and with graphics that are fabulous for that generation... and they only rank it one tenth of a point higher. What?
The really annoying thing, though, is that they won't stop talking about what a fantastic Zelda game this is throughout the reviews... but then they have reservations, because it plays like a Zelda game. -
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