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- smord, on 11/03/2009, -1/+12Buried for being lame. This guy spouts a lot of general "you have to understand piracy"-type mantras, then offers a small handful of unrealistic solutions. It's the same "change your business model!!!1" stuff that people have been shouting for years but, as usual, without suggesting any kind of realistic alternative business model.
- homesteil, on 11/03/2009, -4/+13"Upcoming artists now make more money from concerts and live appearances than selling CDs."
Too true, I spend no money on music on principle. Yet I enjoy going to concerts of band I would otherwise not have heard of (ex: Wolfmother) Then I quickly shell out 20-80€ for a ticket, 25€ for a t-shirt and 10€ for a poster.
Had I not "stolen" (incorrect term, as it implies the resulting lack of the object after the theft) the music, I would never have spent ~85€ on that concert alone... and no, I would not have bought the album if I couldn't get it otherwise. - sooner82, on 11/03/2009, -0/+9its not greedy to expect people to pay for your product.
- urbanetruth, on 11/03/2009, -1/+9Chances are that you won't be writing programs for a living, though. You'll be doing IT work for someone who ultimately depends on thoughts and original content for their revenue. This will, in turn, allow them to pay you a salary.
- Asrrin29, on 11/03/2009, -3/+10came here to point this one out. Copying digital files is copyright infringement, not theft.
- WayGroovy, on 11/03/2009, -0/+6I've often wondered why major network television didn't jump on the bandwagon of bittorrent distribution. Sure, they can pay royalties to Hulu or pay for their own servers and distribution. Or they could simply release their television shows with a small amount of advertising via major torrent sites and reap some benefit from that method of distribution. Imagine going to the major network website directly to grab your TV show.
- JDLamb88, on 11/03/2009, -2/+8LIES ALL LIES PIRACY WILL BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!
- AMD64MM, on 11/03/2009, -3/+8Creating virtual scarcity is just a complete load of crap. I myself am getting a CS degree, and I would much rather allow anyone access to the programs I create, but sadly, we live in a greedy world.
- txballer, on 11/03/2009, -4/+9The porn industry benefits just fine despite enormous "piracy" of their content.
wide6.com
exaporn.com
xhamster.com
xvideos.com
tnaflix.com
empflix.com
Just look at all of those sites hosting "pirated" porn content. - Wargala, on 11/03/2009, -3/+8I agree that concerts are where an artist typically makes his/her money. But how does that apply to say movies? If you aren't buying a ticket to go to the movies, AND you aren't buying the DVD, how is the studio supposed to make money?
- dugbay, on 11/03/2009, -0/+4Im a Video Engineer at a television / film network. I have a good job, its fun; but I want to get paid. You cant just give something away for free or people like me or the editors, dubbers, video librarians, QCers, dont get paid. In order for piracy to work there has to be some form of money coming in. It can from advertisers in the video or on the website, or from the end user.
- AMD64MM, on 11/03/2009, -1/+5Well, not for a living, but I plan to be active in the open source community :)
- NJank, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3"Survey: Nearly half of DVR users still watch the commercials"
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/59087/survey ... - rilus, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3I agree you cannot kill piracy. However, the cheaper something is, the more people will buy it, up to a point, of course.
- MadLeper, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3Correct, the pirates rationalize this behavior by convincing themselves that they are actually helping the artists by stealing from the labels.
The fact that the artists voluntarily signed up with the labels to promote and fund their tours and albums is conveniently ignored by the pirates. - JackRedmond, on 11/03/2009, -0/+3It's awful, I may have to use this as a case study for my dissertation. Dammit; all those hours of videos to traipse through. Someone has to do it.
- throwdini, on 11/03/2009, -1/+4That sounds good, but look at Radiohead's In Rainbows. It was whatever price you wanted it to be, and it was still pirated.
- magus_melchior, on 11/03/2009, -1/+3What if it's not a product at all?
I think there's more than enough people who think that software ought to be bundled and sold like books (thanks in large part to Mr. Gates), and not nearly enough people who treat the software they create as part of a big public library. - magus_melchior, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2I don't think he necessarily has to make a living off of his OSS career, but he CAN build a resume off of that experience. He might land a project leader/designer job without having typed a single key as a corporate coder.
It'll be harder, because the motivations will be different, and that influences things like delivery dates and support. But I think it's do-able. - Scira, on 11/03/2009, -6/+8Imagine a red circle around
"You have to understand piracy before you fight it."
with an arrow pointing to "When I explained to her that she was actually ‘stealing’—she just didn’t get it." and the word fail written next to it in all caps in a large, red Impact font. - BBoombastic, on 11/03/2009, -1/+3If you aren't getting paid for your work then there's less incentive to create something good or anything at all.
- 5thdigg, on 11/03/2009, -1/+3Like people watch commercials anyway on tv?
- FredFredrickson, on 11/03/2009, -1/+3Commercials pay for shows to be produced / distributed. How are you going to pay for the show to be created if people don't watch the commercials that subsidize it?
- Wargala, on 11/03/2009, -2/+4*****. You simply want content for free and don't like the facts that I've presented to you. You could make the same argument about video games. How are developers supposed to make money if you pirate the content? "lower the prices", results in a lower quality product, and you'll all bitch about "these graphics suck".
- throwdini, on 11/03/2009, -7/+9I like Digg very much, but does every third article have to be about piracy? Still read the article, but it seems like some diggers might be a little obsessed.
- rrwest, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2This guy did it right while the big labels and the RIAA are doing it all wrong.
He allowed piracy but added code to each "scraped" copy that generated revenue for him, exposure for the advertisers and did not punish the "scrapers" or the people who play his games.
Its a four-way win-win, not only a two-way win-win and that is a great innovation that should be emulated, perhaps in other areas of life as well.
Congratulations to all who have benefitted from this ingenious way of going with the flow.
It beats the heck out of the abusive and destructive sandbox mentality that permeates so much of the world. - Travelsonic, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2agrabes,
Studios != recording industry - ythe industry acts as promotion, and we will always need some form of means of promoting your works, but technological advancement and the increasing ability to make quality music for less and less in equipment cost is not dependent on the industry.
IMO, the industry needs reform especialy since a lot of the mainstream music is, frankly, *****. - Travelsonic, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2People making incorrect application of the term mainstream, IMO, doesn't negate the wrongness of this misuse.
- lexman098, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2You normally can't get pirated movies in any decent quality (much less HD) until they hit DVD and blu-ray. Buying tickets to see a movie IS the equivalent of buying concert tickets with the added caveat that movies are "new" when you see them in theaters.
- Asrrin29, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2mrRB, when you steal something from a person, it is no longer in thier possession and instead is in yours. when you "pirate" something, they still retain the original item, and you simply have a copy. that is the key difference between copyright infringement and theft as seen under the law.
your piss poor example of hacking vs. identify theft fails because identity theft is well defined as using another person's information without their consent, while hacking is simply one form of gaining a person's information. other methods include theft, social engineering, misappropriation of authority, and breaking social or commercial contracts. All these come with a price under the law AS WELL as the act of identity theft. - muzfuz, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2It's true. You can talk all you want about how music piracy is "free publicity" for concert ticket sales, and that to me sounds logical--
but I have yet to see one single viable model for how the film/tv industry could capitalize on piracy. It's a totally different situation altogether. - MadLeper, on 11/03/2009, -1/+3Preventing someone from making a living by deliberately reducing the value of their goods to zero, then helping yourself to their hard work sounds like theft to me.
- dugbay, on 11/04/2009, -0/+2Hulu is doing more then you think. If I want to watch 30rock or Arrested development I am not going to pirate it, I will watch it on Hulu; way more convenient; even with commercials. I think alot of people are doing this and it proves that Hulu is one of the best things the TV industry has done in recent time.
- rilus, on 11/03/2009, -0/+2I do go to movies. Movie theaters provide an experience that the normal person just can't get at home.
- sageerrant, on 11/06/2009, -0/+1Sorry, I didn't know you were psychic.
Sure, I like free stuff... but I'm also willing to pay to see things that I can't for free, especially those things which benefit from a theater setup. Sure, I won't go see movies every week, but I'd definitely go more than a few times a year if ticket prices dropped a couple bucks.
If I could see a movie for five dollars, I'd go pretty damn often, because that's the smallest bill capable of purchasing anything worth mentioning. - CrixMaydine, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1This in no way works in other industries he mentions. Unless you want a 30 second advertisement embedded in your music or lower third ads pop up during your latest movie purchase.
- CrixMaydine, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1I agree, he says "Content creators can benefit!" Then his only examples are essentially small indie music and games companies. I was hoping for some insight into how big content creators and games companies could benefit from piracy. The only way piracy even benefits these small content creators is that at the end of the tunnel there is supposedly money, money that is provided by paying customers. People can't make a living on dreams and giving away all their hard work for free.
This guy seems to think that BS browser flash games are a suitable alternative to AAA developed titles in China. He is living in a fantasy world. - kinseyincanada, on 11/03/2009, -3/+4the only reason people pirate is because its free and easy, there is nothing your can do to compete with that. Sure companies can maybe do something to lower piracy like hulu but it wont really do much. Stop trying to justify piracy you are not supporting the artist or creator when you pirate their work.
- pandawa, on 11/03/2009, -2/+3and its an important human rights issue, the rights of communication
- Travelsonic, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1"the only reason people pirate is because its free and easy"
So because you say there is only one reason people pirate means that is the case unquestionably and truly?
You are so full of *****. - sooner82, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1didn't they just ask for a gov't bailout a few months ago?
- throwdini, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Definitely.
- revisrev, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Product placement. That is one way. I'm quite sure there are other ways, but it's not my job to come up with ways for studios to make money, it is their job.
- jbond, on 11/03/2009, -1/+21) Sell tracks at a reasonable price eg $0.10 to $0.20 for LAME 192K VBR, $1 to $2 per album
2) Digitise every bit of audio ever produced and make it available through easy to use websites
3) ???
4) PROFIT!
It's not rocket science, is it. There is a price where convenience competes with free but it's a lot lower than current iTMS or Amazon pricing. - lexman098, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Who didn't. The porn industry is hugely profitable.
- WayGroovy, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Yes, I understand streaming shows. What I am suggesting, however, is that they bypass traditional streaming and go straight to bittorrent distribution. This would reduce their overhead for online distribution to near zero. Incorporating built in advertising would ensure that revenue was potentially generated.
- rabidbob, on 11/03/2009, -1/+2And that's why the RIAA are lashing out like a wounded dinosaur; they have become a dying breed, desperate for survival in a world which no longer includes them. Maybe, unlikely, but maybe, they'll realise that all they ever were was parasites and that it's time for them to find a way to survive by giving something to the creative industries instead of leeching off them.
- mrRB, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1I'm fairly certain "allowing" piracy is a contradiction in terms. Piracy is *unauthourized*.
- Rakeris, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1Completely agree, I have done the same thing, been to several concerts of bands I probably would never even have considered had I not pirated their music first. As honestly, who wants to gamble $20 on the chance that some band you have never heard of might be good? Sure you have youtube and whatever but you get my point.
- Travelsonic, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1MadLeper (and those who digg him):
Your definition makes it theft to write a bad review about a product/service, or to consider using it and reconsidering (and goign without or using another service provider).
It DOES NOT work. -
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