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- kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -15/+44How long till the rest of the bums quit?
- SimonX314, on 10/12/2007, -3/+61Molly Smith, Head of North American PR and Mark Deloura, Head of North American Developer Relations quit before the North American launch.
- JohnyD, on 10/12/2007, -29/+5My gawd... I'm all jittery with anticipation... waiting for the fanboi's flames to start flying!
Off topic: I'm still blown away that Sony didn't implement / steal the whole gamerscore idea.... go figure. - XedLos, on 10/12/2007, -22/+7With the huge prorders in Europe they probably got their pay check early. LOL
or they maybe don't have enough to fill the preorders? Well at least he didn't kill himself or jump out of a building or something. - rebrad, on 10/12/2007, -11/+55Can't blame the poor guy. Who wants to be associated with catastrophic failure. At least this way he should be able to get a job somewhere.
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -11/+57Yeah, because every company wants to hire a quitter who leaves you high and dry when you need them the most.
- EatingPie, on 10/12/2007, -57/+23You know... my first thought before reading Digg this morning: "Ugh, I wonder what anti-PS3 propoganda I'm going to read today." Sure enough, THIS was the first article. (There were three yesterday.)
This is really detrimental to the Digg experience, when yet another anti-PS3 article hits the front pages, it pushes other, more interesting articles out of the way.
It's not about TRUTH either -- what was the last front-pager that was good news about the PS3? -- digg users want to hate the PS3, and promote that idea. Very tiring, and illustrates one of the biggest problems with digg: mob bias.
-Pie - AntBing, on 10/12/2007, -31/+8I couldn't agree more Pie.
- topflight, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4EatingPie: I agree with the mob mentality.
However, I - Software2, on 10/12/2007, -16/+32@EatingPie
Yes, because I need to see more articles telling me how great Obama is, and I need to see more Colbert videos. I don't think I've been told how much better Linux is today, either. Oh, and I certainly need to be told the hundreds of ways that Bush sucks each and every morning! And I mean, come on! It's been at least 5 minutes since I last dugg a story in support of somebody that got ripped off by someone. I can't be bothered with ANOTHER anti-PS3 story! They're really ruining digg!
Digg me down if your sarcasm detector sucks, or you don't like the truth. - catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33His next job interview:
"Hey, weren't you the head of SCE sales in the UK?"
"Yeah, its ok though. I bailed at the last minute so I don't look bad."
"Oh ok, you're hired" - OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Strictly a carrier move. Rumor has it he is now in Redmond Washington...
- ZennZero, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21@EatingPie
I think you have a false notion of what the "Digg experience" is. Digg is majority rules, border-line anarchy -- and that is its chief strength. Fortunately, there are some tools to tailor it to your delicate sensibilities. You could unsubscribe from gaming news or, if you just want to avoid PS3 related gaming news, you could set up a Greasemonkey script or use an RSS reader with a custom filter.
The bottom line is that it really isn't of any use to complain about story content on digg. If something makes it to the front page it is because that is what the masses want. - dogfurnace, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@unibomber999 & catalysis:
It saddens me that you are so quick to defend a corporation. Who gives a ***** about a faceless multi-national like Sony? They'd fire his or for that matter all of your asses in a heartbeat if economics so dictated. The guy can obviously see the writing on the wall and is taking care of number 1, something any smart person would do don't you think? - catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Why are you so quick to defend an executive at a multi-national corporation?
- womfalcs7, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Why are Digg users so biased? They only bump anti-PS3 topics and leave out the bad press about the X360.
READ FIRST BEFORE YOU DIGG DOWN:
How does this reflect badly on the PS3 when the console is breaking pre-order records in the UK?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a42660/playstation-3-enjoys-record-pre-orders.html?rss - Optimaximal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>His next job interview:
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>"Hey, weren't you the head of SCE sales in the UK?"
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>"Yeah, its ok though. I bailed at the last minute so I don't look bad."
>
>"Oh ok, you're hired"
Surely that just demonstrates good business sense and a good foresight for market changes?
- dgblackout, on 10/12/2007, -2/+45i've asked about in my local games shops, and none of them expect to have any sort of line for the midnight launch of the PS3 over here, it's laughable.
- dblondon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+71After 3 years of waiting for the PS3 I've decided to get a 360 on Monday - it's down to the games.
- Katana, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53Yeah, everyone who wanted a next gen console over here has gone out and bought a 360 or Wii by now.
Also the fact that Sony thinks $ = £ with their pricing scheme isn't exactly going to help them sell in the UK either. - Samus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25@Katana
exactly. any more console companies do that, i'm gonna start my own next-gen import business. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Also the fact that Sony thinks $ = £ with their pricing scheme isn't exactly going to help them sell in the UK either.
Abuh? I was just on vacation in England and I can confirm that the $ most assuredly does NOT = £. Oh man, my wallet is still feeling the pain of the £. - Optimaximal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Chompy, are you dense. What he said was that Sony's pricing pretty much equates one dollar to one pound - They just seem to magically dream up exchange rates when setting out the price of their consoles (and pretty much all their other hardware).
Gameplay (UK) are selling a 60GB PS3 and 3 games (Motorstorm, CoD3 & RR7) for £652 (£555 + VAT at 17.5% - Shipping is free), whereas in the US, the exact same bundle on EBGames costs $779 (incl Tax & Shipping).
Converted at the current exchange rate of £1 = $1.95, this means the US bundle would cost a UK buyer £339 if he/she exchanged it for US money and bought it that way.
Therefore, this validates the assumption that Sony are roughly taking £1 to equal $1.
- RMD78, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24"MCV is reporting that Jowett resigned to 'pursue new opportunities outside of the games industry..."
That means he jumped ship before the PS3 ruined his career forever in the gaming industry...I'm surprised more people haven't left Sony due to the debacle that is the PS3. It's getting to the point that they won't be able to give them away. What a let down.- meltingrobot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Oh, I wouldn't go that far. If they dropped to like 300$, I would buy one for the Linux possibilities.
- AntBing, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I did buy one, mainly for the Blu-ray and Linux. I'm happy with it now, hopefully the games situation picks up soon though.
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I'm really hoping that the ps3 will drop to failure-level pricing. I think the ps3 is a cool piece of hardware, but I just can't justfy spending that much on essentially a toy.
I've always disliked sony mainly because I've always found them to the be epitome of cookie-cutter mainstream gaming (don't get me wrong there's some great niche games for their systems, but they really helped define the 'graphics and 3d make a game better' mentality, plus they never pushed the envelope with what consoles could do). But they're doing so poorly as of recent they're actually starting to hit the 'go underdog!' part of my heart... which they'd hit better if their console was at all reasonably priced. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Where do you people get this *****? How is the PS3 failing? It's still selling well they are not backing up on store shelves....ohhh wait I know where your getting it. Your drinking the kool-aid. Now go lie down on your cot and cover your head with your jacket.
- Antialias, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8MrFlesh,
In the US at least, the PS3 is looking to be a distant 3rd unless some of their huge games come out and can sell insane numbers of consoles. The PS3 is almost 8 million units behind the 360 and the gap is actually increasing as the 360 sells more per week than the ps3. Wii sales have actually been increasing in the post holiday season, so there could be a viral spread there, but we'll have to wait and see.
Couple that with rumors of the first ps3 price drop coming in 2009 with the 45nm cell chips they've got a tough uphill battle.
That said, Gamecube was 3rd place last gen and it was my favorite console. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2First show me a link that 360 sales are increasing over PS3. On Digg that sure would have hit the front page with 10 million diggs and I haven't seen it. Two the 360 had a year lead on the PS3 no ***** it's gonna have more units shipped. The wii outselling the PS3 again no ***** it's half the price, but the Wii crowd isn't the hardcore gamer crowd. No ***** the PS3 price drop will come in 2009 that's standard Sony strategy...the ps2's first price drop was two years after it's release as well. And most importantly.........It's not even three months into the PS3 launch that is doing better than any last or current gen launch aside from the Wii....so how does that translate into trouble?
- DrunKao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2MrFlesh, mainly it's a failure compared to Wii's extremely impressive performance. The Wii is still selling much better than the PS3 and it's still hard to find while the PS3 is not. If the Wii hadn't been released, I don't think people would be so hard on the PS3 at this moment. Still being available and catching up to demand so soon after launch is a bad thing, but I don't think it would be as noticeable or people would care as much, if there wasn't that contrast...
- JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What are you basing your 360 growing sales faster then PS3 sales on? I can't find anything unless you count xmas which actually was supply inhibited.
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1The Wii isn't in the same market as the other two consoles it is geared torward the casual and non gamer. That is not the crowd that made gaming what it is today and it won't be the crowd who is shaping the future of gaming either. This is not the crowd that buys one game every paycheck. It is essentially a glorified Mall kiosk 100 in 1 gaming system. Yes the Wii-mote offers new interactivity but how many games of each genre will this support? None of the things that are working for it will work for the other two. And most of it's success is comming from the fact that it is the only one doing what it is. If Sony and Microsoft were to compete in the same market Nintendo would once again be at the bottom of the pile. Don't get me wrong I want a Wii too, but to compare it to either the 360 or the PS3 is like comparing beer to wine....sure more people buy it but that doesn't make it better.
- Beelzebub, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5In other news: "Nintendo Gets New Head of UK Wii Sales"
- Proximity, on 10/12/2007, -43/+7omg olol someone at Sony changed jobs that must mean the PS3 is a TOTAL failure. I bet a while after it launches, there will be a store with some on the shelf too!! What a POS. lollerskates.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38How's life out there in lala land?
Seriously anyone out there who can still say the PS3 and, on a larger scale Sony, doesn't have serious problems needs to start sharing the crack. - porcupus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13Well it's not like the big wigs at Sony are helping to make this launch easy. The price they are going to charge for the console is silly plus all the rumors of price cuts.
Even Jesus couldn't put a good marketing campaign together in this debacle.
Sony misses the point yet again. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31This isn't the mailboy quitting. Normally, high level executives don't quit a short time before a career defining moment, unless that moment is going to be a very negative one.
- RandomGuySteve, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0"This isn't the mailboy quitting. Normally, high level executives don't quit a short time before a career defining moment, unless that moment is going to be a very negative one."
So how many high level executives have you seen quit lately?
Maybe the guy was just stressed. It's not like the PS3 was going to fly off the shelves regardless of what he did. I don't think this will have much of an impact on things to come, nor do I think it's in any way indicative of how well the launch will go. - tsaxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@RandomGuySteve re:"So how many high level executives have you seen quit lately?"
To quote a fellow digger:
Molly Smith, Head of North American PR and Mark Deloura, Head of North American Developer Relations quit before the North American launch.
That is a lot of heads to jump ship. Interesting to note that this guy left the gaming industry completely. - 3dom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The fact it's been constant arrogance and consumer disrespect from the likes of Kutaragi and Harrison (see claims of 120fps on screens that havent been invented yet, despite severe fps lag issues - especially at 1080p) from the beginning, added with the screwing over of Europe/UK in terms of launch dates and ridiculous pricing and the actual proven inferiority of the graphics when directly compared with the xbox (see COD3) has really put me off from buying a PS3. It seems everything Sony does these days leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. I was still considering buying one just for MGS4 but that doesn't look likely now. Personally I'm waiting to see if this much-rumoured "special edition x360" weighs up worth its price.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38How's life out there in lala land?
- Codename, on 10/12/2007, -20/+9In other news: "Sony has claimed bankruptcy."
- Trax78, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Agreed.
- cr4ft, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9Pretty obvious why he quit; he doesn't want to be put in the position of failing as he KNOWS it'll happen.
- systmcrash, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4He's smart doesn't want the black mark such a failure would leave on his record.
If you ask me we'll see more and more of these. It's like rats running from a sinking ship. - JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Smart guys realize abandonment is a much darker mark...
- systmcrash, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4He's smart doesn't want the black mark such a failure would leave on his record.
- Teemu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Yeah Sony! First annoy us with the launch date and then with the price.
- teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+27Executives leaving a company right before or right after a huge product launch means problems. We may never know what exactly the problem is but this isnt good news for Sony. Whatever happened im sure they will move on in short time but hearing things like this is bad for PR all across the board.
- TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24@EatingPie
The reason the PS3 gets some much bad publicity is because there is no/little good news to post about it. It's also "keeping informed" for people who want to buy the console. And don't think people are Bias towards Microsoft, because quite frankly, they aren't. Quite a lot of Digg users don't like Microsoft.- dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I hate microsoft, love my 360 (I waited one year until after its release to buy it)
Go figure? Well, I like how they put effort into making a clean development platform...I also like how there are video games to play on it. - dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2oh and at least m$ isn't making any money on the sale of the hardware
- dmsean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I hate microsoft, love my 360 (I waited one year until after its release to buy it)
- scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5One of the local games stores has a small piece of paper in the window with "come in to express interest for pre-ordering ps3" scrawled on it.
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How else would I express my interest to them?
Maybe I could express my interest by performing avant-garde interpretive street dancing in front of their store?
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5How else would I express my interest to them?
- ChinezePanda, on 10/12/2007, -31/+5ANTI-PS3 news is almost COMPLETELY IDENTICAL TO Anti-PS2 News (when it first launched with its 400 dollar price point).
Do the research.
And hey.. look how good that system did... and is still doing.
Personaly... I have all 3... so I dont give a rats ass what anyone says lol.
(oh.. and the New York tax payer paid for my ps3... got to love my tax return)- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Dude, your tax return is your money that you borrowed to the government without interest.
- xerokitsune, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16When the PS2 came out there were some negative stories(mostly involving breakdowns, a few incompatible games and a few other minor bits) but it was sold out of most places for months after the holidays. This was nowhere close to the fiasco that the PS3 has been, I still say it's too soon to wright the PS3 off but the start is far far rockier than the PS2 or even the PS1.
And I hate to tell you this but your the tax payer, refunds are normally the result of overpaying the government and them holding your money for you till it's refund time. - heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I don't need to do much research, I remember it well. Everyone wanted a PS2. I spent months trying to get people interested in the Dreamcast, but no one wanted that because the PS2 "could do Toy Story in realtime."
The biggest difference now is that people know Sony lies, and they aren't listening anymore. Shame, really, but you can only ***** on someone's head for so long before they realize it isn't a hat. - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Dude, your tax return is your money that you borrowed to the government without interest."
Well, actually he lent it to them. The one receiving the money borrowed it. - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15> (oh.. and the New York tax payer paid for my ps3... got to love my tax return)
It's amazing how the Government has managed to fool people into thinking that a "return" is somehow free money.
What a moron. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I don't know what your talking about I live in Metro Phoenix area and every gaming store or Best Buy I go to has........No Wiii's....None or a handful of PS3's and stacks of 360s......Now maybe in back water georgia or fly-over-state-america there are tons of PS3s but In Phoenix, LA, and Las Vegas all places I've been to since launch have I seen more than five or six ps3s on the shelf in any given store.
- JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Guys guys....He's a New York taxpayer so its technically accurate.
- ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Get out while the getting's good!
- ajent420, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Maybe he saw this comming?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msKFORMQJSI - michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Way to abandon people at the last minute.
Why couldn't he wait until after launch.
Replace Sony in this article with Company X and it seems like he is simply being a quitter and letting alot of people down. - btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Since Sony is a Japanese company, aren't the higher ups expected to commit ritual suicide or something? Or is working for Sony career suicide?
- Brendan2026, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have the Wii-60 with no plans to get a PS3. But I think once the PS3 gets one or two system-seller games (like Gears of War for 360) opinions will start to shift. That is, if any developers stick around.
- uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You gotta love Sony at this point. They just keep on giving.
- morningmatters, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Not sure what the hell happened to Sony in the last two decades. The company is losing to Samung on the electronics front and Microsoft/Nintendo on the videogame front. Competition is good and all but let's hope Sony sells PS division to Nintendo and focus on making better electronics instead. As a gamer I am tired of spending $$$ buying multiple systems just for the two or three really good exclusive games on each console.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What happened to Sony? One word: ego.
- acurism, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well,
they have overtaken Samsung in the TV business...
http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUST3989820070214
and their stock is at it's highest in four years in Japan ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=ajbKoZXI2hOk&refer=japan
So things aren't going as bad for Sony as some of you anti-Sony diggers would like to believe - FishyJoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Not yet at least. The business world has yet to grasp the magnitude of the PS3 failure. They don't play video games so they don't understand why the sales have been lackluster. They still think it's a supply problem.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What happened to Sony? One word: ego.
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Typical Digg PS3 haters.
The head of the XBox division was fired a few weeks ago. Nobody on Digg says a word. Submitted stories are buried or they are not accepted.
Kotaku takes a story out of context and turns it into a anit-Sony story. Gets more hits that way... creates more flame bait that way too.
Kotaku is about as accurate and fair as Fox News. If it on Kotaku it is not true. It is that simple.- RunnyBabbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The 360 didn't release within those few weeks, and it really isn't indicative of the quality of the upcoming titles to look forward to for the system since most are third-party.
While I don't think it's as simple as "The guy quit so something must be wrong," your comparison doesn't make sense to me.
- RunnyBabbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The 360 didn't release within those few weeks, and it really isn't indicative of the quality of the upcoming titles to look forward to for the system since most are third-party.
- ku16610, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2ibeetle too true , this isn`t even news for christ sake.
On another note some guy who used to make the tea at xbox HQ quit last week. - PadreHomer, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Selling a PS3 every 20 seconds must have really burnt the poor guy out.
- hansjudas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3finally someone else who looked at figures and isn't worried about being dugg down. I have a wii-360 system at home and aint thinking of getting a PS3, but this Sony bashing for bashings sake is crazy! People keep on saying that the great thing about digg is that majority rules, but the fact that it also develops into mob mentality never gets raised. People with different opinions get dugg down and eventually will leave, leaving only a bunch of people who agree on issues. Where's the prospect for interaction and discussion in that? The whole thing is turning into a henhouse, much like congress...
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1actually there is nothing good about mob rules....that's why America isn't a 100% true democracy because the the rights of the minority parties would be superceeded by the wishes of the majority. That's why there are checks and balances we can expect to see those on sites like this during the web 3.0 And Hansjudas you are exactly right. The webstie Dailykos used to be a very open webpage where anyone could throw around any idea for discussion. Once it went to the mob rules format it became another preaching to the choir webpage...what's funny is prior to this Kos users used to make fun of redstate.org for this very thing.
- alx242, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2People that like their consoles so much that they find nothing better then bashing on the other consoles in existence must not be having to much fun with their console...:P
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, here it is just PS3 bashing.........you see very little going the other way that isn't backed up by fact. It's mostly false statements that everyone agrees with because they come from thier side........e.g.
False Statement: Nobody is buying a PS3 for Blu-Ray play back and Blu-ray is doomed for failure. It's the next betamax
Fact: Blu-Ray has caught up to and surpassed HD-DVD since the PS3 launch
There are a miriad of others but I've just had my 6th screw driver and don't wnat to be on the computer anymore. - 3dom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3They arent bashing the PS3 for no reason. It's a consequence of Sony bashing the consumer harder than the competition.
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Mr.Flesh-- Statistically speaking, HD & Blu-ray, are both a miserable failure. The average joe consumer is still wanting to buy a SD DVD player, partly because of how cheap they are now.
Come Feb 29th 2009 (the day all major tv networks have to be HD Compliant/Streaming), Blu-ray, and HD-DVD will see a pick up in sales because HD-TVs will drop dramatically in price. Come that date, we'll see who wins, Blu-ray, or HD-DVD
I've made my mind up to not buy either until 2010 to play it safe. :)
- kayjay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0i dont get why sony had to set the price point so high.
afterall the ps3 includes a lot of ps2 chips (backwards compatibility requirement), they already said they want to write a software emulator.
releasing 2 different version was another bad idea. they shouldve limited the hdd to 40gb or so and released one console.
the psp has been out for quite a while now... no PSN (playstation network) had been developed during this time. NOW they decide they quickly need to stomp up PSN... like they didnt have had the time to do it (for psp). PSN for the psp wouldve been GREAT!- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1"sony had to set the price point so high," because they had the idea that if the PS2 was such a success, why can't we charge more for something that will offer the same amount of technology for the next generation of technologies.
It's simple consumerism really. If you have a high demand, you can mark your price quite high, and people will still buy it. If you go too high, and too little product, you won't sell at all.
Sony's problem is that they marked it at an absolutely rediculous price, while they had the demand, the price made the demand less of an economical choice, dispite having the supply that they thought they needed. This "doomed" the PS3 to have the fate we're seeing right now... the question is, will they drop the price to something more reasonable or will they continue to ramble on about it's God's creation and should be sold for $599.99.
My guess? Sony's a bull in a china shop right now, and they're treading very carefully because they've already broken a lot of the merchandise.
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -1/+1"sony had to set the price point so high," because they had the idea that if the PS2 was such a success, why can't we charge more for something that will offer the same amount of technology for the next generation of technologies.
- TDR25, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tis better to quit than to be blamed and fired for Sony's mistake...hopefully nobody else has wrote this.
- AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -1/+2*Insert obligitory "He went to Nintendo/Microsoft because he knew the PS3 was going to be a failure.." comment that will most likely be Burried.*
In all seriousness, this honestly doesn't suprise me. More and more people are leaving Sony because they're not running things correctly. It doesn't have to do with the fact that their sales have basically been so shoddy, but because their PR and CR (customer relations) departments are just, .. well.. *****. When you compile bad PR and CR with a pile of technology that no one wants to buy, be it because of bad batteries, or bad marketing, whatever the reason.. no one wants to work for you. I wouldn't be suprised if we see by mid-term 2008 portions of Sony being chapter 11ed, and sold off to other major companies...
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