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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Games do not fully take advantage of the 64bit systems yet. Not even the ones "optimized" for it. That said, it's hard to build a box that isn't 64bit these days. And if you're going to go with a 64bit system, what's the point of running a 32bit OS?
Now *that* being said, Windows XP 64bit is an unstable piece of *****. At least as far as doing anything productive with it. There are some crappy drivers for things and some games may or may not work, but chances are you have plenty of insta-reboots, freezes, crashes and games refusing to startup (Obscure, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 and many many others) at all to look forward to.
A lot of people will cry "but getting a 64bit system is worth it even if you don't have 64bit games, applications or even a 64bit OS because they're usually dual core!". Well, yeah... whatever. Check out a few well done benchmarks (tomshardware comes to mind) and you'll quickly see that you'd get just as much or more performance out of a dual CPU system. And as far as I understand (I'm not really a professional hardware guy) the problems with dual core are the same with dual CPU -- namely that if the application (game) doesn't support multiple CPUs, it won't support multiple cores, either. So you're using up only half of your system.
At least, that's my understanding.. but like I said.. I"m not much of a hardware guy and almost not at all a Windows guy. - twid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I was able to read the article, and was trying to Coral Cache it when their server went down.
Allow me to summarize:
Q: Does the 64-Bit has what it takes to be the preferred version?
A: No. - Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Call me when they support 64 Bit Linux.
No 64 bit Windows for me until the DRM is removed by Microsoft. Not by Hacks... by the company."
I suppose hell will eventually freeze over - Handcannons, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2*************************************
Now *that* being said, Windows XP 64bit is an unstable piece of *****. At least as far as doing anything productive with it. There are some crappy drivers for things and some games may or may not work, but chances are you have plenty of insta-reboots, freezes, crashes and games refusing to startup (Obscure, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 and many many others) at all to look forward to.
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You've got some problem other than 64 bit XP if that's how your system is running. I've had XP64 running for months without a single reboot. It runs WoW and EQ2 as well, but not better, than 32 bit XP on the same machine. It encodes mpeg2 to divx as fast as you'd expect a 3000+ amd to without any errors or crashing. - narunet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@doogee
Yah, he's right because it's based on Windows Server 2003's code this time, not W2K. If you didn't know. - jobeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1google cache
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:beRbysUqow4J:techgage.com/review.php%3Fid%3D3889+&hl=en - Nessguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm running Windows XP x64 right now, it is in no way unstable. While games might take a slight hit in performance, it's not enough to notice unless you're looking at benchmarks.
- FRAGaLOT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well let these companies make useless CPU functions. This way those chips will be over priced, while older chips that will be fully USEFUL will be much cheaper.
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Allow me to summarize:
Q: Does the 64-Bit has what it takes to be the preferred version?
A: No."
thats what all stories need haha - bantam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well one thing, its not like dual core 64bit is slow... hl2/css/dod:s gets 137fps on avg.
specs:
amd 4200 64 x2
6800GT 256
2gig ddr 400 - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0looks like their SQL servers are down...
- BlazinX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0site is SLOW. digg effect is prolly kickin in.
- Durrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I will shortly hopefully... btw page saying DB Error: connect failed... dugg already?
- kafka47, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting article. Dugg.
- doogee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I used 64 bit windows xp. I find it more stable and programs run alot faster.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0That link didn't work for me. Well, i should say, the 2nd page didn't work. It said suspended.
- jobeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This Account Has Been Suspended
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.
well that sucks, pretty good article too. - PacoDG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love side by side comparison pics of things, good stuff.
- Olle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Seumas,
The main advantage with dual core over dual CPU is that dual core is cheaper.
I don't know which one is faster really. I think they are pretty much the same. - JPhilipson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not enough bandwith paid for..?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0digg effect??
This Account Has Been Suspended
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can Techgage's 32-bit webserver stand up to the Digg Effect? Digg users run a few tests to find out...
- smergs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Everyone keeps asking if anyone actually runs windows 64 bit. I personally don't but then again I don't have a 64bit processor. However, a good buddy of mine does run it on his desktop. He tried to run it on his laptop but couldn't find the drivers for his sound card so he went back to regular windows with it. He really likes the 64bit version of windows though. He kinda planned for it and tried to only get hardware that is supported though. I've watched him play far cry many times and I know that he has gotten the 64bit version of hl2 running now but I havn't had chance to see it yet. He is running a sli system and he never has any stability issues - (well not yet) Far Cry does seem to run a little better and he has told me that hl2 loads a hell of a lot faster. Just my 2 cents and going on his word without seeing it yet.
- fleetskeet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use XP64 for gaming and haven't really seen a difference either way. Valve also hosed the last patch and it runs significantly slower now.
- superbnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Can someone link me to the article via cache or something?
- RWTechgage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Not enough bandwith paid for..?"
No, it almost killed the smaller server it was on :P - leftfoot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Digg effect!
- Vasto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google's Cache: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:beRbysUqow4J:techgage.com/review.php%3Fid%3D3889+&hl=en&client=opera
- Ruckgesicht, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Once the world's bandwidth increases it should be cheap enough where this will happen less and less often. Hopefully, anyway.
- RWTechgage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hehe, site will be back up in two hours. Now I know what it takes to kill my server.
- Randude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been running xp 64bit on my laptop for about a month. It took me a while to find the drivers, no thanks to HP, but it wasn't that difficult. It's running really fast and seems very stable. I've tried a couple of 64 bit games on it just to test and there does seem to be a performance improvement of about 20% or so. Deer Park Alpha 2 (64bit Firefox) runs awesome for an alpha. 32 bit programs run pretty much the same. All the negative comments about it seem to be from people that don't use it. As a general rule, its usually best to only write about what you know....
- kramit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0no1 uses 64-bit windows because nothing bloody works on it!
- pillfred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Fragalot-
No Doubt - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares? a minority of people uses 64 bits anyways..
- ToMMyHR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Obviously, MANY of you don't run XP64! I get 163 FPS running Half Life 2 on XP64 vs 113 on normal xp. There's nothing that I hate more than people who bitch about shyt that they know NOTHING about!
- Pasukun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hmm..
The article used the Athlon 64 with Venice core..
I though 64bit HL was developed to take advantage of AMD Athlon 64 FX processor.
That's what it said on the HL2 homepage.
http://www.half-life2.com/news.php?id=496
But then again not many people can afford $1000 CPU... - JonP06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I used to have an ASUS/AMD 2800+ system with Win XP Pro 32bit and that POS system would freeze up so many times that I just got fed up with it and gutted the system out of my CM Stacker case for a Gigabyte/AMD64 3200+ with Windows XP64. There is a whole world of differences with this system from the former one. No more BSOD, freezes, etc. Can actually multi-task several applications at once with no sweat, try that on my last system and it would lock up tighter than a virgins a**hole.
- mika76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"There are some crappy drivers for things and some games may or may not work, but chances are you have plenty of insta-reboots, freezes, crashes and games refusing to startup (Obscure, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 and many many others) at all to look forward to."
It's not Microsoft's fault that there are bad or non-existent drivers for it. Anyway, Far Cry has proven that x64 is the way to go for gaming. Also, if some games don't work, I'm sure there are, or will be soon, patches to fix it. - digdugdig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0quote:
Now *that* being said, Windows XP 64bit is an unstable piece of *****. At least as far as doing anything productive with it. There are some crappy drivers for things and some games may or may not work, but chances are you have plenty of insta-reboots, freezes, crashes and games refusing to startup (Obscure, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 and many many others) at all to look forward to.
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Now this is just crap. I've been running the 64 bit version of Windows ever since its release, and it has been rock solid and stable since day one. Windows 32-bit was unstable on my machine, and would reboot every now and then with a bsod, but this has not happened with the 64 bit version. - Darth_tater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0well. its beenported to x64
now as soon as they optomise it it will kick ass! (i hope)
now.
off to play cod2(on my x64, sli box) - oldcyborg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I run the same dual boot system, as the author does. (maybe not his chip, but his OS).
I haven't seen any dramatic get aheads, altho the driver scarcity is abysmal, considering how long we waited for Msoft to get 64 out. Not their fault, this ONE time. hehehe
Printers are a bitch to get right, due to the OS blocks all calls from NT written drivers. This is a security thing, but they don't seem to have a handle on how to Let my Xerox put thru its stuff without letting the rest of the world IN.... I am not a gamer, but I run a bunch of apps, and try to make things work. Like my tv tuner with the Phillips chip, and NTFS instead of PAL. Nobody in that area is writing new software. Especially decent TV and FM programs.
I can wait. I find the differences fascinating, and the problems interesting. Frustrating, but interesting. hehehe
Cyborg
Yeah - Vasto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google's Cache for Page 2: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:qPoRPNKJvIYJ:techgage.com/review.php%3Fid%3D3889%26page%3D2+&hl=en&client=opera
Didn't realize that Google needed a different link to view Page 2. - jobeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0google cache page 2
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:qPoRPNKJvIYJ:techgage.com/review.php%3Fid%3D3889%26page%3D2+&hl=en - skyhighrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0woh. i went to read it, it loaded, then i tried reloading the page and boom, "This Account Has Been Suspended"
- gaberbruno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Interesting to read. I spent out on a 64bit processor when I replaced my desktop however went for 32bit XP, I reckon that we are unlikely to see any big steps to take full advantage of 64bit until Vista comes out. I hope that MS will market their 64bit version(s) as their main version (shipping it with new machines etc.) and only selling their 32bit versions for those upgrading the OS on 32bit hardware machines. Once the OS support is there I'm sure game developers will follow.
- LazyBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This kinda makes me want to get 64bit windows .... becuase my hp laptop doesnt really handle hl2 that great.
- gh3tto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows x64 is great. Make sure you get the right hardware. Don't get a power supply with any extra features (ie staying on to cool CPU a few minutes. It sometimes stays on for too long). Get a motherboard with nvidia chipset (The drivers are less than perfect for other chipsets). As for Half Life 2, the benchmarks were quite interesting. My little brother didn't claim to see a difference like the benchmark claimed though. Who knows though, he is 11.
- jobeats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0site back up
- tomaburque, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Google Carmack + 64 bit to see John Carmack's comments about why he's not going to do a 64 bit binary of Doom 3:
"A 64 bit binary is likely to be slightly slower than a 32 bit binary, because pointers will consumer more memory bandwidth. You only get a speed benefit from 64 bit when you need long integers, or you need to access more than (roughly) 2 gigs of memory." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0After i went to the 2nd page of the article, the account of that website had been suspended, rofl. I refreshed the first page, and sure enough, it was suspended, lmao.
I know this happens all the time with digg, but to actually see it in real time was pretty cool. -
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