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Gametrailers: 360 version of GRID better; Uses PS3 footage? watch!

youtube.com — In gametrailers' recent comparison of GRID, a new racing game for the 360 and PS3, they claim the 360 version of the game does much better handling crash physics. The problem is the image they used has a triangle, R1, and R2 button explaining the control scheme in the left hand corner. What the hell?

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  • ashton20042005, on 05/10/2008, -21/+135they really are pathetic for doing this,,,talking about unethical practices,,,,,
    • dansmeek, on 05/10/2008, -11/+54gaemtrailers is a joke. their refusal to admit that they were using PS3 footage with limited RGB and limited white (which makes the graphics washed out), along with their pathetic excuses......
      I'm not quite sure why they favor the xbox. maybe their core readers are more about the 360 than the PS3 and they are just trying to cater to that. but they have proved time and time again they are not an unbiased source and should be treated as such.
      • KingPsyz, on 05/10/2008, -14/+8You know how MS hands out payola ala GTA IV? What makes you think it's exclusive to R*?
      • j4200, on 05/11/2008, -1/+13Because they're owned by MTV networks. MTV and the xbox division of MS have been in bed together for a long time now.
      • championchap, on 05/11/2008, -4/+7Remember the GTA VI comparison videos?
        All that scenery popping in only seemed to happen on the PS3 version. From what i've heard of from the actual players it's the other way around.
    • Azimuth1, on 05/10/2008, -26/+120What happened here is that Gametrailers accidentally labelled what is clearly footage of the PS3 version as the 360 version. That's why they pulled it from their site. The professional video editors at Gametrailers.com are grown men with full time jobs. They're not 360 fanboys trying to make their console look better. They don't give a *****.

      How does more exciting crashes in one set of clips indicate that that console has "better physics"? It's the same game. The same code is running on two different machines. "Better physics" is meaningless.

      Also, do you honestly believe that they thought that nobody would notice the icons in the corner?
      • dansmeek, on 05/10/2008, -7/+39while i agree with the spirit of your post..... these people's full time jobs are running that website (unless i guess if it's a sidegig) and i just get the impression they phone in their work. maybe not fanboy, probably just lazy. both are negative traits.
        • therightclique, on 05/10/2008, -11/+7I've never found a reason to visit that site regularly. It has pretty much always been a joke to people "in the know"
          • jrbrewin, on 05/10/2008, -6/+3it's a game site. you're a game player. what's there to be 'in the know' about that differentiates you from anyone else? the site, like all other sites online are made by humans, and humans are infallible.
          • Czin644, on 05/10/2008, -1/+10I don't think that word means what you think it means...
          • ArkAngel06, on 05/11/2008, -1/+15The site has HD game videos, that load very fast, and usually no commercials before the videos....and if there is a video, you can skip it....The site is better than any other site for watching video game previews.
          • BoonTobias, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3^ this man speaks the truth in volumes
      • Darksoul, on 05/10/2008, -23/+9Accidentally your just a gametrailers fan-boy seriously as big as they are now there is no excuse for doing what they are doing its obvious they are getting paid by m$ to do this ***** why else would they do it do you really believe that they make that many mistakes ***** you know what they call that bud denial. And the ps3 has better physics because of the processor you moron this has been known for quite sometime. They don't get paid to make the mistakes they make because they are not mistakes this was obviously done on purpose pefft moron.
        • MaxPayne3476, on 05/10/2008, -2/+10AHH! The run-on sentence makes my eyes bleed.
        • mbauer14, on 05/10/2008, -3/+14"And the ps3 has better physics because of the processor"
          So the processor in the PS3 makes it act more realistically than a 360 if you throw both down a hill?
          A console doesn't have better "physics" unless it has a built-in physics engine. It might be able to process more calculations more quickly, but you are just wrong.
          • chazuk, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Spot on.
            Neither console has a dedicated PPU so any physics are handled by the Cell or the Xennon in software. It's only going to ever be as good as the physics engine used which in this case should be jut the same as it's the same game engine.
        • jrbrewin, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5i love how anyone who defends something that isn't pro-sony is instantly on their competition's payrole. comic gold!
          "I think darksoul's on the $ony payrole!" - that would be a good retort, $ sign and all, except of course, i used punctuation so that rules me out as a fanboy.
        • Pake, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4The physics engine should be pretty much exactly the same, because no company is going to spend so much time creating 2 completely different engines. They might slightly tweak them, but nothing noticeably different. In the footage, they claim dumb downed physics and GT claimed it as well, but none of the crashes had duplicates.
      • JayD16, on 05/10/2008, -6/+14They don't have to be fanboys to benefit from biased views. Controversy leads to hits.

        Look at FOX news. I don't think O'reilly believes half of what he says. He's just trolling on at the global scale for the ratings.
        • jrbrewin, on 05/10/2008, -1/+10if they wanted hits from this 'controvosy' why did they take the video down?
          • JayD16, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6You have to maintain a level of legitimacy for people to pay attention.
        • KMartSheriff, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3That doesn't make it OK to do.
        • dillibob, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2i dont think they would want a controversy following the gamespot fiasco. otherwise everyone would probably just go over to ign instead
      • shinythingy, on 05/11/2008, -2/+4and obviously they can't do their ***** job
      • ShiroRyuu, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2If you are a professional video editor with a modicum of professionalism then it's pretty hard to miss label something like this on accident. As well, it's not the same code running on two machines. The high level language may be the same but the machine code between the ps3 and the xbox360 are far different. Even though you compiled the same high level code, especially with complex programs such as games, you are more often then not going to have, at the very least, subtle differences in the behavior of the program on the different machines.
    • boot20, on 05/10/2008, -7/+7It's less about unethical and more about just being lazy.
    • santasing, on 05/11/2008, -2/+9I would think that this was an honest mistake if they did not tone down the PS3 footage to make the 360 footage look better.
    • Lawr, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2this is just the "same code" running on two different machines? This isn't like running a benchmark test software on two different beige box PCs. different architecture, code optimization, etc. plays a huge role in the end product on consoles.
    • j4200, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Trailers are one thing. Comparisons though, that people are seriously, very seriously freaking out over and having it affect their own mental well being, thats a whole notha level. You want to talk about being pathetic? These videos are horribly degraded to where any qualities that games have in textures, lighting, or animation, is lost in streaming video compression. Sure they say HD but HD is anything better than cable, so thats not saying alot. Streaming video imo is not at all HD no matter how many pixels they manage to compress into 300kb/s
  • sarin, on 05/10/2008, -20/+66That's ***** typical gametrailers *****!

    This needs to be put out there more, I'm waiting for GT to comment on this.
    • fadetoone, on 05/10/2008, -4/+14Indeed. This is just another entry in the ever increasing attempts of gametrailers to show bias. The assassin's creed video was the best example of it...
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -1/+8The thing that people should be taking issue with but aren't is the look of the game when it's labeled as xbox and the look when it's labeled as PS3.

      The "Xbox" clip is nice and crisp looking. The "Actual PS3" clip the graphics are ugly and there's a ton of color bleeding.

      This is where the bias really shines through if you ask me. The other problem is just going to be shrugged off as a simple mistake at labeling.
  • bunty1, on 05/10/2008, -27/+96Is ANYONE really surprised? I mean LOOK at their GTA4 trailer:

    they show POPIN for the PS3 version when it's been confirmed by tons of game review sites that the 360 version had massive/worse popin problems while on the PS3 it was very rare because of the installation.

    Yet not one footage in their comparison from the 360 version had popin.
    • CrudeDarkness, on 05/10/2008, -6/+15yes I remember that. After watching the video, I felt really bad for buying the ps3 version.
    • asspants, on 05/10/2008, -38/+11There _is_ popin on the 360, and I don't have a PS3 to say which has less. The harddrive installation has NOTHING to do with the popin, and everything to do with the rendering engine and pure GPU horsepower. And really if you want to split hairs about it, the 360's GPU is more better than the PS3, don't start with the 7 SPU's or the CELL BROADBAND ENGINE because they don't draw pretty pictures on your screen.
      • Ethion, on 05/10/2008, -2/+14I'm a 360 fanboy.. But on this note you're completely wrong.. sry mate.
      • jfowler27, on 05/10/2008, -2/+17more better?
      • noots, on 05/10/2008, -0/+20i thought the hard drive installation made for quicker data access, presumably it's quicker accessing building textures and models from a HD rather than a dvd-drive, no?
      • phqu88, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3More better...must be a coonass from louisiana...or at least come from one
        • KingPsyz, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7was that really needed?
          • asspants, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1***** it, that was a good argument against what i was saying, instead of addressing the actual issue.
      • JayD16, on 05/10/2008, -0/+18"The harddrive installation has NOTHING to do with the popin"

        The installation has everything to do with pop in. That's almost everything it does. I could go into the details of memory allocation and texture streaming but you can look it up.

        Pop in is when a texture should be displayed and it isn't in memory ( or if you use mipmapping a lower res version of the texture). The hard drive can stream data into memory faster then the optical disk drive and this speed means that textures are in memory when the need to be.
        • Sanctums, on 05/11/2008, -8/+2Pop-in doesn't really have much to do with the installation, but rather:
          A(and the most important one): Programing, and overall structure of a game
          B) Graphics hardware.

          That said, this engine is just an advancement of the old GTAIII one, an engine which has always had problems with Pop in. Even for the PC, no matter how good your hardware is.
        • asspants, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Lets go into the details of memory allocation and texture streaming then.
          Because I need a good explaination for why there is popin on Crysis on my computer.
          It sure as ***** isnt because I'm running it off of a CD.

          And if it did have everything to do with being on the harddrive of the PS3 as some of you numbskulls have suggested then why does the PS3 version still suffer from popin?
          Some said it's "very rare" on the ps3 with the installation, so you're saying that the harddrive isnt able to load the data fast enough either?

          Sanctums and I are right, it's the rendering engine and to an extent the GPU.
          • cthellis, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1It occurs on the PC too; just because it runs off an installation doesn't mean the matter would be non-existent. A hard-drive streams data faster, but you can still outpace it.

            Why is it that UT3 on the PS3, which has an optional install instead of mandatory, reduces texture pop-in when you mount the install? Is it magically changing the rendering engine? Does the GPU get an upgrade?

            It's certainly not going to be the ONLY thing that matters when you compare things from game-to-game, but if you're comparing the same game across a few platforms--a game that is going to function as similarly as they can manage (to save costs) while making some necessary console-specific concessions--a hard drive install is going to show a benefit over streaming from DVD/BR.
          • asspants, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I can understand and agree with you on everything you just said. I've not seen UT3 running on a PS3, but I'll take your word for it.
    • cli006, on 05/10/2008, -4/+45I really don't understand how people complain about an 8 minute install to improve load times and performance. With a standard HD, developers can program games to actually put it to use besides game saves.

      I mean seriously, I'd rather have 8 minutes install to make a sandwich or something. I waited half a year for GTA IV, what's 8 more minutes? It's a perk, not a negative point.
      • Celios, on 05/10/2008, -25/+6PS3 installs aren't for the consumer's benefit. The loadtime differences are minimal or non-existent anyways. The fact of the matter is that installs are there because the PS3 can't read a bluray disc at different speeds simultaneously, which is obviously a problem if you're retrieving data from different parts of the disc (the inside of the disc is spinning faster than the outside). Rather than spend time figuring out some kind of workaround or solution, studios are just dumping all the data to the harddrive because it's the easy way out.

        Defending installs just reinforces lazy developer practices. You can like a platform without defending every drawback to it or its games.
        • JayD16, on 05/10/2008, -1/+24You're understanding that concept wrong.

          DVDs spin at the same angular rate. This mean bits move across the read head faster at the edge of the disc. So read speed is faster at the edge than at the center of the disc.

          BRs spin at the same linear rate across the read head. This means that the disc is spun at different rates depending on where it is being read from so that the same number of bits/second pass across the read head.

          Although the PS3's read speed is lower then the 360s peak speed it is the 360 is slower overall, especially on dual layer DVDs. It considered a wash overall. I have yet to see definitive studies of transfer speed for the two machines point either way.

          Studios are using the hard drive because it is much faster then reading from disc (DVD or BR). Saying using the hard drive is lazy is like saying using the scaler chip or using accelerated graphics or code libraries is lazy. This hardware is there to be used.
          • gwolf, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1Just one problem, if a BR drive performs better than a DVD drive then why must the PS3 install parts of the game to it's hard drive. At some point that will become a problem when the PS3 has as many games as the 360 somethings going to have to get deleted. Why would they build in a weakness like that for a console they expect you to use for ten years if they could simply get everything from the BR Disk?
          • JayD16, on 05/11/2008, -0/+61) The hard drive is better then both BR and DVD. Its a benefit in both cases.
            2)Companies like to force the install because supported both disc only and installed versions isn't as easy.
            3)You can always delete and reinstall the game data without it affecting settings or save files. This means that even if you want to have 30+ games with installs instantly playable you can without running out of space entirely. For everything else you just have to shift space around.
          • ShiroRyuu, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Not only is there the option to delete install data when you want to shelve a game that your not going to playing for a while, Sony made it easy to swap out to a bigger HDD should the consumer feel the need. As well, with a little bargain hunting, one can find 120gig HDD compatible with the PS3 for a very reasonable $80-$100.
        • Celios, on 05/10/2008, -7/+2This isn't my own invention, this is what multi-platform devs have cited as the "real" reason they are forcing MANDATORY installs. If it was for improved performance vs. the 360 (which again, amounts to a few seconds shorter load times on games like DMC4 - I personally wouldn't waste 5 or 10 gigs of my hard drive just for that, but to each his own) then why wouldn't it be optional?

          Not to mention that if data transfer rates were the problem you're making them out to be, disc-based consoles without hard drives wouldn't even exist. Why is this suddenly an issue that's being forced upon the PS3 user base exclusively now?
        • Celios, on 05/10/2008, -9/+3"The issue arises from differences in the reading techniques of DVD and Blu-ray. By nature, the outer and inner parts of a disc move at different speeds while a disc is spinning, regardless of format (CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HD-DVD, etc.). While DVD drives can read data at those differing speeds, Blu-ray reads at one speed. Combine that with the extremely large size of Blu-ray discs, and simply dumping existing DVD data onto a Blu-ray disc will inevitably result in longer load times.

          Installations are a way around this issue.

          When a publisher asks you to install a game on PS3, it’s because they’re moving some of the disc data to an area of your console that has much faster read access: the hard drive. You get vastly reduced loading times, but have to sit through an installation.

          There are other ways to combat this, as we can infer from “Dark Sector,” “Call of Duty 4,” “Burnout Paradise” — all multi-platform titles without installs. Based on conversations we’ve had with several developers, catering to Blu-ray is hardly impossible, but requires work. Some developers copy their game’s data on the disc multiple times, giving the drive more areas to seek the same exact data from. Others spent time optimizing streaming techniques."

          http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/04/01/the-myst ...

          Or, you know, you can just keep burying like the fanboys you are. ^_^
          • se1zure, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3there is a reason the games you play on a computer, like call of duty 4 or battlefield 2142 require installs onto the hard drive. Why not make it optional, and allow users to play off the disk? Because the hard drive has such a higher transfer rate it would be silly to use a disk. The PS3 has the HD install because it reduces lag in game (for example, if there are 15 cop cars trying to run you off the road cause you have 5 stars), it reduces load times (sure, by only a few seconds, but after the hundreds of load times it adds up, not to mention that I would rather just do something for 8 minutes initially than site for extra time in between missions).
        • Caviarmy, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4"Or, you know, you can just keep burying like the fanboys you are. ^_^"

          Hey, YOU'RE the one who's writing ***** novels on digg here bitching about rival console tech. I'm too busy playing games to give a rats ass.
        • Tahiri, on 05/10/2008, -4/+5Um, Bluray reads 1.5 megs a second faster on average compared to 360 dual layered DVDs
          • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1You can't actually toss a definitive "rate" out there. Even if you just compare average read rates, there's no way to know skillfully a developer arranges the data on a DL DVD to reduce layer switching, nor is there any way to tell how skillfully a developer arranges data on the BR to duplicate key segments to reduce seek times.

            The key word in all this is "skillfully." Paying a lot of attention optimizing data for your ROM drive is not something a lot of publishers seem keen to spend extra money on, so it gets short shrift. DVD everyone is used to; BR would take extra time to mess with; HDD they are both used to, AND blow the roof off impressively optimized DVD and BR, so it's a natural fit.

            Hence the situation we have today.
        • Celios, on 05/11/2008, -3/+2It's called pulling a quote from an article.
      • Cimlite, on 05/10/2008, -3/+128 minutes tops... OK.
        The 20 something minute install for Devil May Cry... not so much.
        • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I don't know what Capcom was up for with that. Moving that amount of data SHOULD have only taken 6 minutes or so. The must have been uncompressing and resorting data from all over the disk to waste time like that.
      • Tayls, on 05/11/2008, -3/+7I think it should be optional, then everyone wins.
        • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1That would have been the best approach; giving developers the assistance with BR in general, but giving and encouraging access to the hard drive as well, so games would HAVE to be able to be played off the disk, but would all have an optional installer. It might create a weird loading/performance relationship where BR is worse than 360/DVD is worse than BR+install, but... it would at least give the best of both worlds.

          That + proper installation management would give more pros and reduce the cons, and if they could also encourage intelligent creation of the install packages, hiding them behind the usual introductions and simple training levels, or whatever "beginning" stuff games constantly have anyway, that would also be a good way to hide the "wait 10 minutes before playing" syndrome. It's not like they have to stitch together the WHOLE package at once--they know how their game is arranged, so they could do it chunks at a time as needed, hidden behind lulls in gameplay, cutscenes, and anything else.
      • grumbel, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3Tell that again if every game does it and you have so many games that they won't fit all on your drive all at once, then just swapping another game in becomes a real annoying experience.

        The best solution would if they would simply let the game install silently in the background while you are already playing and instead of making the install persistant, just make it a temporary cache, so that you don't have to manually cleanup later.
    • AbelVoicu, on 05/10/2008, -7/+22Ok "massive" I think is a bit of an overstatement. Both consoles have pop-in, the ps3 might have less, but even on the 360 I barely ever notice it.
    • BigBrasky, on 05/10/2008, -5/+17Honestly, I haven't really noticed any pop-in on my 360 version. I'm sure it's happened, but It's not even noticeable. Regardless, both versions of the game are kick ass, period.
    • ZenMojo, on 05/10/2008, -5/+8These are the same assholes that deliberately refused to use the improved color saturation settings for the PS3 because "it wasn't the default." I hate these douchebags and I don't even own a next-gen system.
    • Fartbandit, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5There is indeed pop in on the 360 version but its a rare occurance. I mostly notice it when jumping the toll on the bridge between the first and second island at full speed. Seems they added that toll for a reason.... :P
      • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1same here.. if I'm going top speed it is more noticeable.. but at those speed, you are concerned about things "flying/blaring by" and not crashing.. I don't look far enough when just driving in the city.. There is some though.
    • ronaldmonster, on 05/11/2008, -2/+5Honestly the pop-in they referred too was mostly crap like grass in alley ways or that one trash can that comes from nowhere traveling at GTA rocketspeed, its not that bad and I don't see why people are surprised at pop-in on a GTA game. Should I bring up the last 3 games in the series?
  • TheEndzor, on 05/10/2008, -26/+94They Banned People on the forums for saying GT are biased and they deleted all topics on the forums that prove they are
    Freedom of Speech is dead on that Site...
    This is disgusting for a Website/company to do this
    • Myonosken, on 05/10/2008, -7/+30Ugh. Look this is ***** practice and signs of a ***** useless company, but this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. They are free to to delete comments from their board for whatever reason they like.
    • asspants, on 05/10/2008, -7/+50you're invoking "Freedom of Speech" on a website that may or may not be hosted in the united states, and regardless of whether or not it is located in the US, even though it's open to the public it still is a private website.
      freedom of speech is to protect you when you speak out against the US government. not going into someone's private space and calling them out for being douchebags. retard.
      • sheebz, on 05/12/2008, -3/+1Hey retard, how about learning how to write a valid sentence? How old are you again? BtW i'm still wating on my reply, eagerly awaiting...
    • Darksoul, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4The sad part is they are not just a website company any more spike tv owns them they are paid for what they do this is just pitiful.
      • Lawr, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Ummm, they were always owned by VIACOM. They were never independant.
    • XandraX, on 05/10/2008, -2/+9No Need To Capitalize Important Words
      • chazuk, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1why Not? I think It makes text Easier to reaD with oDd cApiTal LetERs iN WorDs!

    • xbandaidx, on 05/10/2008, -1/+6Yeah they are banning because there's already an official topic on it, theres no need for 2000 threads on the same article.
    • se1zure, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5Wow freedom of speech? You have got to be kidding me if you think that even remotely applies to this situation.
    • Fartbandit, on 05/11/2008, -3/+1freedom of speech does not apply to the internet....
  • cloudgatherer, on 05/10/2008, -23/+19There has to be Microsoft money involved here. Would a website lie like that just because they preferred one console over the other?
    • dansmeek, on 05/10/2008, -3/+9it would be interesting if one could prove that. i don't know how long gametrailers has been around. the thing is... do stupid video comparisons really shift one people to buy a game/console? especially since these "comparison videos" are supposed to be for people who own both systems...... but they have turned in a way for winners to grow their e-penis a few inches each time since their console is the "best."
      • gwolf, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1People who have both systems don't need their comparison video, they just load both demo's and judge for themselves like I do. I doubt MS has anything to do with them. I saw their Iron Man comparison video and it's heavily slanted against the 360 version. My own comparison shows the 360 looked and played better.

        GT needs to get someone more capable to help them out on the technical side of preparing these kinds of video's or stop doing them.
    • KingPsyz, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5I love how everytime it's mentioned the 360 bury brigade comes out
    • j4200, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2MTV and Spike being involved are sure signs of paid reviews.
  • 000dom000, on 05/10/2008, -9/+43It's a shame because gametrailers usually deliver good quality material. That said, we have seen it before, noticeably with Assassins Creed...
    • NeoSporin, on 05/10/2008, -9/+8They tested everything right out of the box. Thats as fair as it got for that game. If they were to turn on super white or whatever the option was called, it would only be fair to also turn on extended blacks for the 360, but they didn't.
      • DarkDx, on 05/11/2008, -1/+6If I'm a reviewer, and I know that the white stuff isn't on by default but CAN be enabled, I'm not gonna bitch saying that "omg the ps3z is the suxxorz it looks so washed out" because i KNOW it can be easily fixed.
      • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2The point actually is the PS3 looks better when it's labeled as Xbox, there was no mistake labeling it. They thought people wouldn't notice and could make the xbox look better. It's not just a simple matter of filters being on or off. The bias has been there for a long time.
    • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I just go on that website for HD game videos for free.. Downloads fast and that's all I need. I really don't care which one they prefer

      I agree it sucks for those trying to determine which version to get by checking out their videos .. just take it with a grain of salt. Easy.
  • jacksons98, on 05/10/2008, -6/+62In general I like gametrailers, but these "phony" comparisons need to stop. Every single time they get called out it's the X360 version artificially benefitting. It's getting ridiculous...
    • chris9902, on 05/10/2008, -7/+25Who the hell takes these seriously? You're trying to compare a HD game by looking at a 320x240 video compressed in Flash.

      It's a joke but it keeps the fanboys coming back.
      • DarkDx, on 05/11/2008, -3/+9They have HD videos you know... But it's truth that they are ***** the SUCK AND FAIL.
        • mywhitenoise, on 05/11/2008, -1/+5They're advertised as HD, but I haven't seen one video on there that's in 720.
          • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Its still free trailers.. and look better than youtube videos.

            Not saying that I have decompressed and analysed their HD videos but i've seem some good quality ones for sure..
        • j4200, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6They're only "HD" because they fill up more than 480 progressive pixels on your screen. Not to mention that they're horribly mpeg'd so that motion and finer details are mashed together. The resulting video is not accurately defined at all. High Definition is really only a buzz word and really only describes anything that holds more visual information in a single frame than an analog cable signal.
  • reccodog, on 05/10/2008, -20/+5Man I hate M$ and there Ban of Biased Websites!
    • chazuk, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Man - Correct.
      I - Correct.
      hate - Correct.
      M$ - Wrong (Microsoft).
      and - Corect.
      there - Wrong (their).
      Ban - Wrong (capital b and should read band).
      Biased - Wrong (capital b).
      Websites! - Wrong (capital w).
  • skeeuk, on 05/10/2008, -25/+20its reasons like this that i cannot wait till ps3 overtakes 360, it will shut them up for good.
    what a total fiasco, i wont trust thier comparison vids again stupid idiots
  • CrudeDarkness, on 05/10/2008, -19/+15it's a shame because there reviews are one of the best all around.
    • studdenfadden, on 05/10/2008, -7/+8I think you mean "their."
    • Cruelapollo, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6Or maybe he forgot a comma between there and reviews.

      Just sayin'.
    • Accolade1, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3Despite the two grammatical corrections above, both neglected the rest of the sentence. This should read "reviews are some." Does anyone notice the irony in grammar nazis jumping to correct obvious mistakes, while still missing standards that they "pretend" to obey?
      • studdenfadden, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2He also did not capitalize "it's." Oh, also your correction is wrong as he wrote "all around" not around; therefore, "one of" is correct and "some" is incorrect.
        • Accolade1, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3Case in point - you're still pointing out things like capitalizing "it's" while you still don't understand simple subject agreement.
      • Cruelapollo, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1Let's not get our panties in a bunch Accolade. There doesn't actually need to be a comma between the two, I just felt that he could be correct in using there instead of their in one way or another.
    • arcticblue, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2There's nothing that annoys me more on Digg than anal grammar nazi douchebags.
  • cli006, on 05/10/2008, -17/+81I don't understand why 360 fanboys working for gaming sites love to pull this *****.

    This is just like how they used to compare Xbox 360 before HDMI with PS3 component cables even though all PS3s came with HDMI. They also love to crank up the brightness for PS3 screenshots to wash out details. I remember a review for a Virtua Tennis for PS3/360 and they completely washed out the screenshots for PS3. I played the game for PS3 and the ingame with HDMI was NOTHING like the screenshots provided.

    Stop the bias reviews, this is getting ridiculous.
    • spectecjr, on 05/10/2008, -2/+9IIRC, there was a firmware update for PS3 which fixed the black levels around the time Virtua Tennis was released. Just sayin'
    • dig1x, on 05/11/2008, -4/+1"I don't understand why 360 fanboys working for gaming sites love to pull this *****."

      You have a fictional world-view.
    • Gregsaw, on 05/11/2008, -6/+4i don't remember getting an HDMI cable with my ps3...
  • momegao, on 05/10/2008, -18/+5***** Gametrailers (and the RIAA). I will still continue supporting the games for my PS3. GTAIV Rulez on my PS3, not a single problem!!!!
  • recruz, on 05/10/2008, -11/+2FAIL!
  • KloroFormd, on 05/10/2008, -7/+2Awesome, now all I need is some cash for dedicated servers and I can thieve all the angry users.

    Anyone up for investing in this business opportunity?
  • tciny, on 05/10/2008, -12/+92GT is owned by MTV, which is owned by Viacom which is in bed with Microsoft. Just google "Viacom Microsoft" to see what deals they have recently made. So no surprises here...
    • socivitus, on 05/10/2008, -0/+20I had no clue about that.

      +digg for the info
    • DarkDx, on 05/11/2008, -1/+8So it's like their grandson "gametrailers" is in bed with his grandfather! Gross!
    • Fartbandit, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4Indeed. I learned something new here :)

      second +digg
    • dig1x, on 05/11/2008, -7/+1Are you people serious?

      Do you think Sony has no relationships with media companies? Sony is a member of the RIAA and MPAA. Viacom is also a member of the RIAA and MPAA.

      You people are out of your minds.
      • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5That's kind of a different partnership entirely. One of mutual self interest that they aren't directly collaborating together on.
  • Skitals, on 05/10/2008, -20/+17Obviously the editor effed up. Was probably given mislabeled footage. Conspiracy theorize much?
    • Planets, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5Doubtful. If they were claiming that the 360 handled things much better than the PS3, wouldn't they notice the footage where things were being handled "poorly"?
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5The look of the game differs when it's labeled xbox than when it does labeled ps3, even though both are the ps3. This was no small mistake.
      • Skitals, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Did you watch the same video as me? They looked the same... they were just claiming the "cooler" and "more dynamic" crashes were on 360. Who the hell cares about these comparison videos anyway? Biased or unbiased it's just flamebait. I understand if you are trying to make a decision between the two versions, but a crappy low res comparison video is NOT the way to go.
  • rajputwarrior, on 05/10/2008, -5/+45gamespot v2?
    • dmacmattack, on 05/10/2008, -6/+3Can anyone tell me how this is anything like the gamespot incident.
      • shoguner, on 05/10/2008, -0/+12yes , the incidents are different , but both share the lack of journalistic integrity.
    • solidus636, on 05/11/2008, -2/+1This site is still worlds better than Gamespot.
  • FutureSandwhich, on 05/10/2008, -20/+9RON PAUL
  • philwalsh, on 05/10/2008, -2/+34What the ***** has happened to gaming web sites?

    I've stopped trusting every one of them, especially since the whole Gamespot issue.
    • fotbr, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5Gaming sites were never worth anything anyway. They've always been crooked in one manner or another.
    • bigdoglj52, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3I've yet to hear of a problem with IGN?
      • thecheatah, on 05/11/2008, -2/+6This is only a personal experience, but they gave Unreal a 9. From my experience and from what is on the forums at the ps site, not too many people like it. I also remember when it came out the advertisements for that game were everywhere on IGN.

        The stupid Unreal engine sucks. I hate it. I hated the way vegas looked and I hated the way unreal looks. Besides the graphics, vegas had very fun gameplay while unreal I wasnt much interested in.

        I am very disappointed at that game and the fact that I use to trust IGN. Now I have to second guess them and look else where.
        • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2The original Unreal? Are you kidding me? That's a rather poor example to complain about, because it was absolutely STUNNING for its' day, and immediately replaced the FPS of LAN choice for us for a long time.

          Their scores indeed sometimes don't make sense, and they tend to look more favorably towards big players and bigger games than unknowns (most people have that kind of bias too, however), which leads to higher highs and lower lows, but mainly ignore the score, read the text, and see if it's helpful to you in evaluating games.

          If you want to know how much you agree with them, read old reviews on games you HAVE played and see how closely they align with your tastes, which is the same way you'd judge anyone, whether they be print reviewer, game site, or dome dude's blog.
        • dasdef, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2i love those higher highs
  • enronias, on 05/10/2008, -5/+21Who is more lame, the people that make false comparisons between systems, or the people the feel the need to compare different systems that offer different strengths in order to start some fanboy flamewar instead of just playing a game on the system they have or enjoy the most?
    • SpankyPants, on 05/10/2008, -2/+13Q: Who is more lame...
      A: people that make false comparisons between systems.

      Where does that leave people that have both systems, and would like to read honest reviews, so that they can buy the best version?
      • ConfusedCartman, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1Very, very good point. Dugg up.
    • shamsael, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2What about people that haven't purchased a system yet and are basing their decision on false information reported by a seemingly reputable video game news site?
      • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -1/+2unless you buy the system for only ONE game.. not all games have the same results.
        • cthellis, on 05/12/2008, -1/+1What if one source you're looking at (being one of the few that does a number of direct comparisons) shows bias and potentially even manipulation towards one platform in multiple games?
  • MassHysteria, on 05/10/2008, -23/+7Is this article a magnet for PS3 fanboys? Grow up.. the video was pulled for a reason...
    • copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -10/+9***** you ***** faggot kill yourself.
    • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1The point is they've had a number of similar complaints and obvious questions and concerns with their videos before... This is the first time that they've been overtly wrong AND caught at it, which brings all those other concerns back to the surface.
  • compoman, on 05/10/2008, -12/+3digg me down for this, but even though gt did this i still like the site. just because a site makes a mistake doesn't mean you should abondon a quality site for good. all game info. sites have had their problems, but it doesn't mean that i hate them. yes this is bad, but ill still go there. gt is NOT the new gamespot.
    • WaveyRavey, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6Maybe if more people responded instead of ignoring it, they might not try and pull stuff like this?
      • ashton20042005, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1we like their stuff but this biased attitude should stop
      • SpankyPants, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Apparently if you try to call them out, you just get ignored (at best). Or posts/threads get deleted. Not sure if any banning has taken place, but I wouldn't be surprised.
  • Darksoul, on 05/10/2008, -5/+23Sorry anybody defending them needs to get a reality check they are banning people just to shut them up. And please don't hand me the ***** that it was just a mistake this many mistakes don't exist for a company like this its not like they are just a "website" they are owned by spike tv now. Its either they don't want to be proven wrong on their console choice like true fan-boys or they are being paid off by m$ lets not kid ourselves us people that went to the original gametrailers.com made that site what it is and m$ knows that look how big gt has got since they first started.

    There is no reason for what they are doing.
  • Wormwoods, on 05/10/2008, -10/+3Play-Asia has it available for pre-order now... http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-44ro-49-en-15- ...
    • WaveyRavey, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4The topic is GT, not Grid. And im sure we are capable of finding a place to pre-order from if we want to.
  • fuzzynyanko, on 05/10/2008, -3/+5Ah, they removed the video, supposedly. I was actually looking for it on that site
  • Username2324, on 05/10/2008, -5/+32We all already knew they were biased from their Burnout, GTA4 and DMC4 video comparisons, but this tops it all. GT is now dead.
    • Zpanzer, on 05/11/2008, -1/+0Still my favorite source for game(play) videos on the net. tbh, I don't care about theese comparisons at all.
  • xdr34, on 05/10/2008, -3/+12*****
  • diggdiggerid, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2I was hoping this would be a remake of that arcade game.
  • rtilford, on 05/10/2008, -3/+6i just wish someone would make a game on both systems that would push the systems to there limits, so we can finally lay the argument to bed about which console is better.
    • CharlesDance, on 05/10/2008, -9/+4Asking if the 360 system is better than the PS3 system like asking what airplane is better, the Wright Brothers original Airplane, or the SR-71 BlackBird?
      • rtilford, on 05/10/2008, -4/+4i didnt specify a system as i didnt want to start a flame war
        • CharlesDance, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4You said you wanted to see which system out of the 360 and PS3 was better. There is no flaming here, the PS3 is the better system. Don't worry about it : )
    • ConfusedCartman, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4They have different strengths. I don't know why anyone cares, really. Until they start paying fanboys, I see no point in being biased.

      And CharlesDance, go kill yourself. Fanboys like you start this Xbox 360 vs PS3 ***** when it is so trivial it doesn't matter. If, someday, everyone admitted that the PS3 was a better system conclusively(humor me), what would that do for you that makes defending a company* worthwhile? Would your life be complete?

      *a group of persons whose sole aim is to make as much money as possible.
    • CharlesDance, on 05/11/2008, -3/+3Hey Confused, Rtilford was just wondering what the better system is, and the answer is the PS3. This is not fanboyism, it is fact and i don't think anybody actually disputes that either. And i'm not defending a company (Sony), they may be terrible or very nice people, i don't know, but their PS3 is a better system than Microsofts (may also be terrible or very nice) 360. It's all OK, that's why i told Rtilford not to worry, it really doesn't matter : )

      • dig1x, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2You've drank the Sony kool-aid. Take a chill-pill and relax. Its just not the case, and that doesnt have to shatter your self image.

        Relax.
        • CharlesDance, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Hey man just relax, don't fret or fuss it's all cool just take a chill pill and relax relax, just relax.
    • shinythingy, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5Multiplatform games wont ever push a system to its limits
    • Dracusis, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1My PC is better than both, and I know this because I have both yet I still spend more time playing games on my PC. But that statment means ***** all to someone who only has a PS3 or only has a 360, or anyone who doesn't like PC games, or most people who aren't me, which is almost everyone. Much like comparing the two is rather pointless save the few people who actually have both systems and think exactly alike and value the same kind of things, which is just about nobody.

      No, lets not do this, lets not ***** in each other's face, instead why don't we just go an play some games, that's what we're here for after all isn't it?
  • gk128, on 05/10/2008, -18/+6Oh no they favor the 360... THEY ARE ***** FOR NOT LOVING SONY.

    Come on it was probably a mistake, and if not does it really even matter?
    • copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -6/+8Shut the ***** up fanboy.
      • gk128, on 05/10/2008, -5/+4I actually own both systems. So ***** Yourself. Thanks.
        • copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3I ***** your sister last night.
        • minnymoo, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1well played copypasta -_-
          might i suggest Sarcasm For Dummies
      • DarkDx, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Replace "fanboy" with "troll".
    • sw33tsarin, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6There's an element of integrity that needs to be upheld, which they have failed to do.
  • sdrumsalot, on 05/10/2008, -5/+19Are they really comparing game physics between each console, because game physics have nothing to do with the console, neither one has proprietary cards for physics simulation that is all built by developers (Havok, Ageia, Bullet, etc.). So double shame for Game Trailers. I wish I could punch them right in the face.
    • copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2Good point. Dugg.
    • jjones20, on 05/10/2008, -5/+1gametrailers isnt saying anything, everyone is just speculating.
    • Owwmykneecap, on 05/10/2008, -4/+2it doesn't work as simply as that.
    • ConfusedCartman, on 05/10/2008, -4/+3That's mostly true, but keep in mind that more processor power equals more realistic physics. They could(theoretically) sacrifice some aspects of the physics engine(like using less accurate collision detection) to ensure the game runs smoothly. Not to say they did that in this case, though. I wouldn't know.
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2The whole point of the Cell processor was so that you could pass those kind of calculations off and increase physics or other things, however it is basically never used that way on a multi-platform game.

      I don't think it was supposed to show physics anyways, just how "pretty" it looked while crashing.
  • kessel, on 05/10/2008, -7/+1anyone know what song they used in this video?
  • GameDudeGK, on 05/10/2008, -10/+1Who the ***** cares?
    If this turns into a million stories about the evils of gametrailers.com I quit.
  • tizzleG, on 05/10/2008, -10/+4lol @ the tags:
    GRID COMPARISON 360 VS PS3 XBOX PLAYSTATION RACE DRIVER BETTER GRAPHICS SUCKS TRUE TRUTH GAME TRAILERS
  • rick2k, on 05/10/2008, -3/+14First Gamespot and now GameTrailers, How many more game sites will lose my confidence?
    Shame as i loved some of their stuff..
    Microsoft must be shelling out big $$$ for this *****. Bye GT.
  • MattFromSeattle, on 05/10/2008, -1/+9Is nothing sacred anymore? If I can't trust news on the internet, who can I trust?
  • RedHawk911, on 05/10/2008, -3/+21Who cares, GRID sucks;)
    • saintamour, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3True, the driving physics are beyond easy. But shame on GT either way
    • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I thought it was ok actually.. i played a few races last night.Crashing is brutal online though.. but sometimes you get a good bunch..

      These are race cars too .. they are suppose to handle beautifully ;)
  • Malarie, on 05/10/2008, -6/+1lame.
  • tripledjr, on 05/10/2008, -9/+4Why the ***** does it matter physics aren't going to change from one platform to the other, this is the dumbest *****.
    All it showed was different crashes. Never said any of them were "cooler".
    Why is this front page?
  • Klowner, on 05/10/2008, -8/+5I've never noticed the "X" button is blue on both xbox and playstation. And "A" and "triangle" are both green
    • Owwmykneecap, on 05/10/2008, -1/+9circle and b are both red...


      CONSPIRACY!



      who knew that the primary colours could be so popular...
      • ZenMojo, on 05/10/2008, -1/+6When you make your own controller, why not base it off of the most widely-used controller in the gaming world?
        • Owwmykneecap, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3that would be the nokia keypad when playing snake.
          estimated numbers: 2 billion.
    • ConfusedCartman, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3You are an idiot. Dugg down.
  • Spliced88, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4Think of the children!
  • ronaldmonster, on 05/10/2008, -8/+2Why should you care? Just play the damn game and enjoy it.
  • v1c1ous, on 05/10/2008, -13/+8funny how when something shows ps3 in a bad light, its a conspiracy.

    when the 360 is shown in a bad light, its because the CELL IS SUPERIOR
    • tnoy, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5Its a conspiracy because a 360 was never used.
    • KloroFormd, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7When the 360 is shown in a bad light, it's because the RRoD has yet to be resolved.

      Don't give me that "The Elite doesn't have this problem" either. 3 friends with Elites, 3 have failed.
      • linuxpenguin, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Dell keeps sending me magazines. . . I look through them every once in a while just to see what they have. They actually make fans now specifically built to attach to your 360 so it doesn't overheat, called the "Intercooler":
        http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=71
        Why is it that they took the PSU out of the box to help cool it better, and now it needs fan attachments like this if you don't want it to overheat?
  • HydrogenOxide, on 05/10/2008, -2/+12At this point, i'm effing sick of this war. I like PS3, I still play Halo, SMG, and Civ 4. My friend likes 360, but he still comes over to play Wii Tennis and Warhawk Co-Op.

    Does it really matter which sells better? Everyone still gets to enjoy themselves.
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4I understand your point but it's still not fair to the consumer to paint one machine as better when it isn't. People look to gametrailers as a site they can trust and it's a mistake that needs to be pointed out. In previous comparisons they have really made the PS3 look bad, and would be foolish to assume that nobody has ever used any of their past comparisons to be the deciding factor on what console they buy for themselves. So Rockstar themselves may not care if they sell more xbox versions based of the GTA4 comparison, but Sony might. It does matter. It also manipulates the distributors future plans when they make games. If tons of people buy it on Xbox and not PS3 then they might make their next game exclusively for the xbox.

      While most players don't have a reason to care that much there are some who still might get cheated by thinking Gametrailers is a trustworthy website. It can be really unbalancing for the future of each console. Though I would like one to inevitably lose this war, I don't think they should lose due to unfair business practices.
  • gideonidoru, on 05/10/2008, -11/+2You guys are being led on, it's the green A (not triangle) button from the Xbox and the Blue X. PS3 buttons arent colored like that, those ARE the XBOX controls.
    • Threydor, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Oh, really ? So how PS3 joy pad buttons are colored ? Tell me please...

      Hint: Sony have been using the same colours since PSX.
    • Mechtastic, on 05/10/2008, -0/+6So an Xbox 360 now has L1, L2, R1 and R2 buttons?
    • Fartbandit, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1fanboy much?
      • DupontNumber24, on 05/12/2008, -0/+0Yes I think you do Ass...I mean Fartbandit
  • UNDERSTAR, on 05/10/2008, -8/+4This is why I like to go to gaming blogger sites like Kotaku or Destructoid for they're no ***** approach toward their journalistic articles.
    • Edrick, on 05/11/2008, -1/+3Kotaku....? Destructoid? No *****?
      Riiiiight.
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Kotaku has their own form of bias that shines through some articles. I mean they basically have the last say in how they write about said video and they chose not to have an opinion this instance without saying if the video was right or wrong.
  • jjones20, on 05/10/2008, -7/+7I dont even see how the footage shows the ps3 version is inferior at all. People are using the crash as an example, how is it worse on the "ps3 version", theyre two different crashes.

    It seems like people are reading into it a little too much, look at the other gametrailers comparison video, where it halves the screen for each version, they look identical.

    Some people need to calm down.
    • Klowner, on 05/10/2008, -3/+3PS3 graphics produce moar emotional impact OMG! ugh, fanboys
      • thecheatah, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Dont act like your in these comments and are not a fanboy.

        ***** Hypocrite.
    • tnoy, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Its not about the crash itself that is the conspiracy.. look at the replay controls in the lower left of both examples. In the video example for the 360, its the PS3 replay controls. They used PS3 footage as an example for the 360.
    • linuxpenguin, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3The two clips in this video are from the same system (PS3) but one was passed off as being from a 360 (the higher-quality, "more accurate" one).
      • BearinG, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1how could they be so lazy though.. wouldn't they have tried to hide this?
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1two videos from the same console, one looks crisp the other looks like color is bleeding. The crash/physics I don't actually care about but yes a lot of people are digging this up for the wrong reasons.
  • bj00rn, on 05/10/2008, -8/+3Good for extreme PS3 fans for getting riled up and feel good about themselves because the conspiracy theories are coming "true", but in the real world this is most likely a simple screw up during editing.
    • Fartbandit, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0Once maybe? numerous times in favour of the 360? Not so sure... O_o
    • linuxpenguin, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1I certainly hope they're not editing the footage, if that's what you mean - and if they had done that, they would've edited out the buttons and replaced them with the 360 ones (as tricky as that may be to do, that's what editing is).
      If you're talking about them matching up the sound to the correct clip. . . this is a GAMING site, they should know what the 360 and PS3 controllers are like. I don't own either but I still know that the 360 only has one trigger button for each hand, while the PS1-3 controllers all have two for each hand.
  • DarkoKun, on 05/10/2008, -4/+3What's the name of the song playing in the video?
  • Owwmykneecap, on 05/10/2008, -8/+11has the obvious answer that it was just probably an editing ***** up eluded most people...
    • HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6You're missing the point. The footage is the only support for an assertion that the PS3 version doesn't have dynamic crashes. Yet the footage is from a PS3 and shows dynamic crashes.

      The main issue is the incorrect assertion/conclusion, the fact that they backed it up with incorrect footage just made their error more apparent to the average person. With correct editing, it would still appear their assertion is false.
      • Owwmykneecap, on 05/11/2008, -4/+1No you massively missed the point.
        i don't know how to explain it any clearer...

        more than one person made the video, somewhere a communication breakdown happened and someone ***** up...
        this sort of thing happens.


        years ago Edge magazine gave GTA III a 6/10 rating. they ment 9/10, they ***** up.
    • linuxpenguin, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1No, because that's actually pretty serious (and REALLY shady) if they're editing that. They shouldn't be editing the vids - they're supposed to be showing us how the game actually looks.
      If you meant they matched up the wrong clips, well then how did they even compare the two? Certainly they had to know which clip was from which system if they were watching the clips to judge which was better. Also, it's a gaming site - they should know that the 360 controller only has one left and right trigger button.
    • thecheatah, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Dude your in the business of comparing things. You suck if you get the TWO things your comparing ***** up by accident.
    • daizaru, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1See to me there is more than just an xbox logo issue, the graphics look different to me even though they are both PS3. It's not just dynamic crashing
    • cthellis, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1The main problem is the criticisms they've built up over time from their comparison videos, with this being the "lastest-but-most-overt" example. We'll never know exactly what goes on in all these cases, but if you've built up something that seems less like "mistake" and more like "a track record..."

      That's when concerns have more weight.
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