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- SlyCooper360, on 10/12/2007, -40/+20She is so fired but Xbox Magazine just found a new employ. But this brings up a big issue the PS3 is losing titles and with the combination of the cost is anyone going to get a PS3 besides Snoop Dogg?
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -49/+11I am.
- Smwbigboss, on 10/12/2007, -40/+13I bet a lot of people will buy it. But 60% will just use it as a cheap blu-ray player and never even think about using it as a game console.
- s7r1k3r, on 10/12/2007, -16/+41No they won't buy it as a cheap blu ray player because blu ray players will be alot cheaper in a couple years and ps3 wont be. Aside from that the ps2 was a horrible dvd player and so will be the ps3.
- interiot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27@Smwbigboss: Not very many people have HDTV's. Some people will use the PS3 has a cheap Blu-ray player, sure, but there aren't enough HDTV owners to make that group a large percentage of PS3 owners.
- Smwbigboss, on 10/12/2007, -15/+12Im talking about this year. It's $400 cheaper than the next cheapest. And some of the reviews say even those ones are kind of crappy so you know the PS3 will be too. Eh, it doesn't really matter though. Blu-ray will be dead within a year.
And I know not many people have HDTVs, but I'm talking about the hard core technophiles here. - RubeusEsclair, on 10/12/2007, -28/+18Seriously. Sure Sony screwed up a couple times(not so much SCEA), and the PS3 is really expensive, but Sony does make some good stuff. I still have my original Playstation as well as my first gen PS2, and they both still work great with a huge game library.
What you guys need to understand, is Sony is marketing to a niche thats higher than the common gamer. The PS3 is like a Mercedes; its really expensive, but its still a car. All this mindless bashing is getting on my nerves. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -23/+6"the ps2 was a horrible dvd player and so will be the ps3."
Based on...
That's what I thought. - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -28/+6her comments
"It's not that I find the concept of a $600 console insulting. Inflation happens, and it's natural that eventually inital prices will be higher than they used to be. But when I know that a console's direct competitors cost two-thirds or half of that price, it becomes harder for me to justify shelling out that kind of money--especially when I can probably get the Wii and the 360 combined for the cost of a PS3."
"So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what--for me at least--will be a very similar experience for $400"
Something seems to me like this an example of the ignorant statements I ve been seeing on blogs. The actually won a convert. A similar experience statement is what kills me...... as a gamer I know for a damn fact that no system "NONE WHATESOVER AT ALL' has offered a similar "experience" than another... Ive been playing games and multiple consoles since 85 and I find that cooment down right insulting and shows where her mind is at. In all seriousness how can anyone judge the experience the PS3 is going to give when it isn't even out yet. I know alot of people are crying that they "know" what it will do or how it will perform but that is just lies.
People are assuming that the blu ray will knock $100 dollars of the PS3 (as if it would matter, people would just say that 500 is insulting) but no one has proof of this. Out of all the parts in the PS3, because Sony is a very large electronics company in case people forgot, Sony can eat most the production facets of the low end Blu ray device except for the Diode. The stronger cost would be more attributed to the Cell, the RSX, and the XD-ram because there are parts and manufacturing processes involved in those devices that SOny as a whole does not have full control over them. The share the cost and take the brunt of the responsibility after getting the required parts from each respective facilities. The Xdram is for the most part manufactured by toshiba.
Besides as a "gaming" magazine editor why does she not have the 360 already? Its not like she cannot afford one. - rsims17, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6I dont get all the oh the ps3 is so expensive bs, compare it to the 360 with a hdd and the next gen player. they are both more than your ps2 and your xbox but its not just a gaming console anymore. and lets not forget that the ps3 comes with hdmi, try to find an hdmi cable for the 360, cant get it(it will come with the add on drive). True having the add on drive is nice if you dont want the next gen dvd but you can compare the two without matching them up both with hddvd or bluray.
10% of the country owns an HDTV, another 20% says they will buy one and by 08 its going to be about 60 million owners. There are far more hdtv owners than you think. With the right marketing "your cable provider isnt giving you true hd so on" give it a year the prices will fall much faster than dvd's. you can already buy blanks for bluray and hddvd for about 20, true you cant get a burner easily. As long as the ps3 doesnt explode when you turn it on, it will do just fine. That will take some time though the launch might be anticlimatic and breaking the psone or the ps2's number may never happen.
As for the quality of the bluray player in terms of movies it wont be ground breaking like some slick denon or onkyo or higher ***** no one hears about, but if the video is encoded in 1080p and your hdmi carries 1080p and you have a native 1080p screen you dont have any video processing to create artifacts. just decode and go. - rsims17, on 10/12/2007, -25/+5"It's not that I find the concept of a $600 console insulting. Inflation happens, and it's natural that eventually inital prices will be higher than they used to be. But when I know that a console's direct competitors cost two-thirds or half of that price, it becomes harder for me to justify shelling out that kind of money--especially when I can probably get the Wii and the 360 combined for the cost of a PS3."
Im going to say it, this woman is an absolute f*cking d*mb a*s. 600 for a console hurts, but its becoming more and more pc than computer. Here is the big thing, they are competitors, but the Wii wont have the graphics engine of the 360 or the ps3 the hardware just not there so its cheap the games might still be fun and the ps3's games might still be fun but thats why its cheaper, you cant compare them. the 360 level in graphics with the 360 for now(maybe some genius programer will figure out how to code for the cell and blow everything away in 4 years), but what i just said above, add in the hddvd drive to teh 360 and its the same bloody price. You would think an editor of a gaming mag would have two sh*ts worth a clue before comparing them. - yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24@ rsims
She said SPECIFICALLY that she didn't need the Blu-Ray, why would she need the HDDVD drive, she is like a lot of folks, she is getting this to PLAY GAMES, and not to play movies, yeah the HDDVD drive will drive the 360 to the same price, but I can choose if I want that drive, with the PS3 I can't say, I don't need BR, so i'll save $200 and not get it. - rsims17, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2Yes, i know that but you cant throw use that to compare them, ill never use it so it doesnt matter, my care has onstar but i wont use it so i shouldnt have to pay for it even if it comes with it. i agree not offering a bluray free version sucks, but the are the big gun for bluray. microsoft isnt the big gun for hddvd toshiba is, so its not a big deal to have it as an option to them. that being said, if you dont want the next gen play back then dont buy it im not telling you to, ***** a 360 on that 12 year old tv is dumb to start with. the fact of the matter is if you are going to compare price you first have to try to match what the offer in performance much like pc's
- mem2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27I heard the ps3 is just 3 nintendo Wii's wrapped together with black ducky tape :P
- mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6The number of people who buy the PS3 as a 'cheap' BluRay player is going to be about 7. Why? Because if some wants a cheap HD movie player they'll just go get a $400-500 HDDVD player from Toshiba.
- stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4@interiot
You can't just look at the figures directly. So only 10% of the US has HDTV's. What percentage of gamers have HDTV's? That's the more important figure to look at. That and HDTV's are dropping in price very quickly so those number will jump in the next year or 2.
Remember, Sony is shooting for a 10 year life cycle. Which means it should be hitting full stride in 2-3 years, a time when a lot higher percentage will have PS3's. Also, those early adopters with the money to buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 are your typical market for HDTV or very soon to be HDTV owners.
@yoda133113
The HD-DVD add on will drive the price of the 360 past the PS3, unless it is onlly $100. - stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6@yoda133113
A lot of people, like me, used their PS2 as a primary DVD player until the price of a standalone unit dropped significantly. I'm sure the same will hold true with those who wish to use the PS3 as a blu-ray player. - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5"So only 10% of the US has HDTV's"
30% actually. That's too large a market to ignore - stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2@NeoTechni
I just saw that number in an earlier post and used it. 30% is even better. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Even if 30% of people actually have HDTVs, how many of them actually care? I know at least two people with HDTVs and they don't care for HD content. They just bought the TVs because they needed replacements.
Hell, even my parents have an HDTV in their living room, and they don't even realize it. They just bought it because it matched with their decor and it was a display model, so it was cheap.
I seriously would like to know how many people of those 30% actually want and/or care for HD content. - rsims17, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@mousecircus
Good to see your two people you know are a strong rep. of the 30% of the market that owns an hdtv. My parents are dropping bank for a highend home theater set up. I know full well thats not the majority. Once the marketing kicks in and people see they arnt getting what the paid for then the majority of people will think damnit i want what i paid for. - MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@rsims17
I never claimed they were a strong representation of the people who own HDTVs.
In fact, that's why I'm asking how those 30% who do own HDTVs feel about HD content. I want to know if they plan on purchasing HD content, or if they already do, or if they just bought an HDTV because it's what was at the store and they didn't bother researching their purchase.
As for the rest of your comment, I've no clue what the hell you're trying to say. Sorry.
- darthrsg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+73Dang, I thought 1UP peeps were totally Sony owned. She got balls of aluminum.
- Emilio8605, on 10/12/2007, -20/+10*looks in her pants*
That's a man!
Seriously, if a OPM editor feels that way, what's to stop Sony from thinking that nearly everyone else feels that way. It'd be sad if PS3 was the downfall of such a great gaming platform. On the other hand, Sony is hoping this console will last 10 years on the market, so maybe they're not caring about the launch success as much as the overall long run of the console. - rakslice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23True dat...
"So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what--for me at least--will be a very similar experience for $400."
On the other hand, I usually try to avoid kicking my employer in the balls just so I can save $200.
Sounds like someone's just scratched an item off of the list entitled "Things to do before accepting that job offer from the official XBox magazine" =) - metallikop, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Maybe she is kicking her employer in the balls, but I think she has a valid point. Even though many people (Sony fan boys) will disagree with me, I really think that Sony has screwed up on their price point. They've left the casual gamer market and stepped in to a new realm of "high end console gaming". Back when the big players were Nintendo and Sega they had similar price points geared towards the same market while SNKs Neo-Geo was roughly 4 times more expensive. SNK wasn't trying to compete on the same playing field that Nintendo and Sega were, whereas Sony IS trying to compete with Nintendo and Microsoft.
Putting themselves in a totally different price bracket will turn people away, except those looking for a console system that offers a little extra for a lot more cash. The HD-DVD/Blu-ray battle isn't over yet, I personally will not invest in what could be the next Betamax/VHS contest. - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It's clear she only posted it so that Sony offer her a free PS3 ;) Genius.
- dharm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i dont see why she wouldnt be getting a free one... she is the damn editor for the official magazine
- SqueakyWheel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1 She would have bigger balls if she put the following disclaimer image in her magazine.
See here http://www.gamecaption.com/?p=30
- Emilio8605, on 10/12/2007, -20/+10*looks in her pants*
- downlo, on 10/12/2007, -53/+6Well, looks like the Ziff-Davis/M$ deal is having some interesting results...
- Settra, on 10/12/2007, -17/+40Anyone that refers to Microsoft or MS as "M$" deserves to be dugg down.
- killerofkiller, on 10/12/2007, -27/+9M$ is the offical symbol of microsoft,, many people have been using it way before digg was arround.. cant change the past
- Molly, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Watch me!!
/e changes past. - kwerboom, on 10/12/2007, -27/+5M$ is fine with me. Anyone who uses Microsoft should be dugg down.
- mem2, on 10/12/2007, -20/+5digging down becuase you dont like the slang is incredibly immature, your assuming your way is the only way (usually because you think have been on the "scene" longer than most).
I have ppl tell me emoticons are only something a 5yo does, while alot of young ppl do its been in use since the late 60.
So grow up guys.
m$ = microsoft = microshaft
digg = dugg = shoveled :P - nethag, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24$ony?
- Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -35/+9Her reasoning is very clear and consistent. I feel the same way. Right now its just not worth getting, maybe after it gets some better games and maybe after it drops in price a little bit, I might consider buying one. But I'm also a pretty heavy PC gamer, so its not like I need it. You could buy two Geforce FX 7950's for the price of the PS3, running in SLI, and have a much more powerful graphics system (i guarantee it). Although you'd still need all the other parts.
- siodine, on 10/12/2007, -2/+63Where the hell do you get your video cards? The chinese black market?
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2k gimme my money you guarenteed it and it didnt work. MONEY NOW! I NEED MONEY!
- gothicx00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29@Ignignokt01
Yeah, i dunno what kind of crack you are on bro, but *1* 7950, cheapest price, is gigabyte's version for $536. So yeah, if you got some sort of wholesaler in that none of the rest of us have, enlighten and hook us up. - rakslice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Perhaps you mean by time of the PS3 North American launch? ~50% is a big drop for 3 months.
- eliotmat, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13I'm putting the next-gen decision off until after PS3 comes out. There is still time for change and surprises.
Her argument makes this an easier decision though. - ajchavar, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19i think that, as an editor, and obivously a big name in the business, she's trying to send a bit of a message to sony that maybe they need to rethink a few things about their target audience
- BBX25, on 10/12/2007, -5/+43*Spits coffee all over LCD screen*
Of all people, an editor of PSM is the last person I'd expect to get an Xbox 360!- Axios, on 10/12/2007, -3/+52Official PlayStation Magazine (OPM), actually. Makes it all the funnier.
- interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22On the other hand, magazine editors probably don't make enough dough to drop on a $2-3k on an HDTV willy-nilly, so it sounds entirely reasonable.
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14"On the other hand, magazine editors probably don't make enough dough to drop on a $2-3k on an HDTV willy-nilly, so it sounds entirely reasonable."
Managing Editors made an average of $56,900 (median $50,000), with a maximum of $200,000.
Somehow to me it doesn't - decay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4WAIT! Don't you need an HDTV to get your full quality from a 360?
Or is there some rule now that you need to buy a hdtv for the ps3 and not one for the 360 ?
- swimmingbird67, on 10/12/2007, -28/+11sony has taken had a lot of missteps... but i have faith in the PS3.
- kingfoot, on 10/12/2007, -18/+6so do i...so do i *grumbles slightly at the doubters*
- VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21You must have a lot of faith in your wallet if you have faith in the PS3.
- nerdofnerds, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The second the ps3 is released and i see you guys grumbling about it in another topic i'm coming back here to post up a nice big "TOLD YOU SO!!"
Vila la wii!
- JesseJericho, on 10/12/2007, -26/+7She should also plan on buying some warranty to extend the outrageous 90 day insult inluded with the disaster-prone 360...
- s7r1k3r, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6You have no idea what warranty the ps3 is gonna have so be quiet.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+191) A 90-day warranty is pretty much the default out of the box warranty on all electronics.
2) It only costs $50 to get 2 years of coverage for your console from Microsoft. This protects against all hardware failures, and I would say that a $50
3) Failures were widely overreported by upset fanboys - ahatter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18'Failures were widely overreported by upset fanboys'
agreed there are many more 360 on the market now and i haven't heard anything about it since right after launch. i got mine last december and it is going strong. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18However, I live in Australia, and here all merchandise is required by law to have a 12 month warranty, including my 360.
- crammaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Yay us living in Australia.... and yay our laws for once!!!
- yoda133113, on 10/12/2007, -20/+1well in america, many of us don't want socialist laws of like that.
- JesseJericho, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1My PS2 had a 1 year warranty, and I had it replaced 3 times within 2 years, without a problem. Sure it had some reliability issues, but at least Sony stood behind their product.
"1) A 90-day warranty is pretty much the default out of the box warranty on all electronics."
What electronics are you buying? My stereo has a 1 year warranty. My iPod has a 1 year warranty. My 21" LCD has a 1 year warranty... actually I can't think of anything I own that has less.. except my XBOX 360 of course.
"2) It only costs $50 to get 2 years of coverage for your console from Microsoft. This protects against all hardware failures, and I would say that a $50"
So you actually believe you should have to spend $50 more at the time of purchase to protect yourself from a faulty product? You might as well go stick your tongue out and have Bill Gates ***** in your mouth.
"3) Failures were widely overreported by upset fanboys"
Sorry... who's the fanboy now?
- Warlon, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4I still think $500 is cheap compared to the eqv. personal computer for gaming. I'm probably going to go pswii. I'm going to wait for a decent line up before I buy the ps3 though. Wii will launch with a bunch of crappy games but there will probably be a couple jems.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+53Sony's too cheap to give their editors a free PS3?
- dr3wster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+47haha, the PS3's too expensive even for Sony =)
- EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14They can't even give her a decent Sony TV? How is she supposed to fully appreciate the PS3 on an old 21" TV?
- interiot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Editors get a free PS3... at work. They don't get a second free PS3 to keep at home, no.
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13She is not an editor working for Sony. She works for Ziff Davis Media. Sony just gave them the go ahead to name thier magazine the official. Take a good look at what Ziff Davis Media owns and you should get a good idea of how this copany works.
- negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Does Microsoft give their editors free 360's?
- zoombusa, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1Why not buy both? I have both an xbox and ps2. The sad thing is that both of them are collecting dust and I have not played either one for over a year now.
Price is her only major issue with the ps3 but if you take the price of the xbox and tack on the hd-dvd you are at the same price point.
Why don't they make these things more upgradable. Pluggable modules would be nice. Consumers would love it because they have investment (if you can call it that) protection on their purchase and the manufactors can sell upgrades. It works with networking gear. So why not sell us a small chassis with some small slots? Then you can upgrade the CPU, GPU, media drive, and I/O ports.
They want to do all this extra crap with gaming systems and make them do computing and entertainment functions so why not start designing them like computers?- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Buy both a Xbox360 AND a PS3, what are you, spoiled?
Making them upgradable would work out too well for the console makers, can't charge as much for new generations since people would just keep upgrading the old. Also that'd be too much like a PC. Average Joe and Jane do not want to touch the inside of a console and upgrade it.
Computers take up too much room, and no a Mac Mini can't do graphics worth *****, so that case design is out. - daeyeth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12What are you, stupid? You have the logic reasoning of Peter Griffin.
- victoryroadrage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17But the whole point of consoles is that the hardware inside is static.
If they allowed you to upgrade, then developers would have to take into account all the different configurations possible if they want to sell their games.
That is one of the major advantages consoles have over PCs, and you want to take that away? - xerox, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7"Why don't they make these things more upgradable. Pluggable modules would be nice. Consumers would love it because they have investment (if you can call it that) protection on their purchase and the manufactors can sell upgrades. It works with networking gear. So why not sell us a small chassis with some small slots? Then you can upgrade the CPU, GPU, media drive, and I/O ports."
they have these magical things called a personal computer, you should look into it. - zoombusa, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7obviously you morons could not sense my sarcasm. I just want a gaming box not all the other crap they put in it.
And no I am not spoiled. It's called a job! You should try it sometime.
- sleepyness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Buy both a Xbox360 AND a PS3, what are you, spoiled?
- spoonard, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I bet he'll be getting a Wii also!
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18uh... she.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Every new story that surfaces just chips away more and more at the PS3's shiny, overpriced facade. I'm sorry, even if Sony is capable of building a great game machine and they're able to convince consumers to plunk down $600 on an unproven format, they will still have to dig out of the mountains of bad press about their system.
Next thing you know, Kutaragi's going to be spotted hacking away at zombies in Dead Rising
It's gonna get ugly, and I'm pretty sure that Sony won't come out on top this time - SelfAppointedMe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5The "official" playstation magazine is ***** anyway. It's more of a corporate advertising rag than anything. They have no "views" of their own. Everything in that magazine writtin about any game is just the stock ***** that that particular game's production company had to say about the game, pretty much just like nintendo power or maybe even worse. The only semi-good playstation magazine is PSM...........but anyway who gives a rats ass if the editor is getting a 360. I mean if you work at a game magazine chances are that you're gamer so why not enjoy all the consoles.
- DarkPhoen1x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"They have no "views" of their own."
except the editor, apparently. - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15SelfAppointedMe, that's exactly the point. When the editor for the mouthpiece of Sony declares that she can't afford a PS3, you know things are bad
- DarkPhoen1x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12"They have no "views" of their own."
- ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4And I thought that more pointless crap about the PS3 couldn't possibly show up on the front page, again...
- Smwbigboss, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Look like someone hates their job...
It only a matter of time before she gers the Wii - Hoov, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Watch her get a free PS3 out of this.
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Everyone submit your applications now, I think they will be having an open editor position real soon.
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17It's the same argument Peter Moore made right after E3. The fact that you can buy the other two consoles and have a huge library of games already available. Xbox Live/Arcade and Wii's large library of classics. Plus great 2nd generation titles are coming out for the 360 this season. There's nothing to lose because for either of these consoles because they are pretty much guaranteed successes with large 3rd party support.
Given the way Sony is receiving lots of bad press, falling well short in their propietary formats/media dept. (UMD, BluRay, ATRAC) and the cost of the PS3... i'm not sure they will meet or even get close to the success of previous PS1/PS2 consoles. They're still going to sell and people will place them on ebay for $1000+... for what? I'll wait til Sony realizes everyone isn't going to go for it, especially moms/dads around Xmas time!
My Xbox1 DVD drive (Phillips) literally died today and I was already thinking about getting an Xbox 360 soon anyway. Now it looks like the right time is now.- s7r1k3r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9go for it
- mem2, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3do yourself a favour and wait for the Wii
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why would I? The wii isn't going to have all those great shooters that I want. Plus I already have a prepaid year in advance on Xbox Live (Gold) so... Halo 2 will be played along with all the newer online titles (I want SF2CE!!)
- thebraineater, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Once the price comes down and some good games come out I don't think it will be that bad.
- l4nc3r, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0Well, I agree with her. The $500 or more price tag is a little expensive. I used to be an avid X-Box fan but I am more on the side of Sony. But I am gonna wait for a while to get the PS3 due to the fact that I learned from Microsoft, first day systems are always buggy, So as they are debugged and resent out, prices go down for a better system. I'd say wait and use your old systems til the new ones come out upgraded.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4That's what extended warrantees are for
- gamer82987, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sorry, but i cannot accept that argument. since when has it been okay to release a buggy product? if i sell an airplane... and that particular 1st generation plane is known to be buggy... how the hell would you feel about riding one and brush the problem off with getting an extended warranty?!?!?!?! Have fun with your flight... and goodbye when you see turbulence.
This is honestly a travesty on how we have let electronics company get away with buggy first releases. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are multibillion dollar companies and can/ should afford to do research to find out anything wrong with its system. when you buy something, the product should work, and continue working long after the product is bought and not only for the limited 3 months.
- heavyness, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11anyone find it weird she doesn't have a 360 already? how can you be an editor of a video game magazine and not have every system? how can you compare and be educated in the game industry if your not sampling everything out there?
maybe she is looking for a new job!? why would you want to be stuck writing about one system when that company puts their own technology advancement in front of their customer's needs and wants?- s7r1k3r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5very true. good insight.
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3"why would you want to be stuck writing about one system when that company puts their own technology advancement in front of their customer's needs and wants? "
Ask the employees of Nintendo. They deal with that same issue.
Oh wait, so does MS. Hey all three companies do it.
Specifically Nintendo being the worst, we never said we wanted a "revolution" (not that Wii is one) game sales have never been higher. Sony and MS have at least been evolving in the way we have said we wanted - LunarOcean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I dunno Neo - Just looking at the hype for the systems...looks like their analysts knew what a lot of us really wanted but didn't know how to phrase. We say we want this, but only cause we haven't thought of that and that. After seeing the 'that and that,' suddenly that's what many people seem to want evolved more.
And there are plenty of people out there who have been asking for creativity in the gaming world since this before the current generation. Yes, I'm talking about changes aside the number upgrades we all expect - we know those are constantly improving in the PC world, so it's no surprise in the console world either.
Sony and Microsoft are hardly companies that I would say have evolved their gaming systems in the way I hoped for. Is what you wanted suddenly what everyone else did? - NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"And there are plenty of people out there who have been asking for creativity in the gaming world since this before the current generation. "
And we've been getting it.
First of all, we still get completely unique games like Katamari Damacy, Guitar Hero, etc.
Then even the sequels we get are unique enough, like MGS3.
Those claiming we haven't been getting creativity in gaming quite honestly hasve not been paying nearly enough attention to the games coming out to make that claim - LunarOcean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Those claiming we haven't been getting creativity in gaming quite honestly hasve not been paying nearly enough attention to the games coming out to make that claim"
Since I first started hearing people talk about the creativity aspect I have seen *some* games, like you mentioned, that cater to this. I see the number is pretty small in comparison to most libraries. They've overshadowed, quite simply. Truly, it also doesn't help that some of these games are coming out rather late in the generation. That doesn't change the fact that they're out there, but it does mean they're getting overshadowed by other things, like all the news for 360, PS3, and Wii.
Katamari was different - Guitar Hero, honestly haven't played and don't know too much about it. Those are changes in the games - there is nothing wrong with desiring a change, or different approach to hardware as well. Sony and Microsoft aren't giving me that change.
So, again, is what you wanted suddenly what the rest of us did? Is listening to the consumer why Sony and Microsoft are evolving in the way 'we' asked? I highly doubt it - they're just going with what's worked before.
Thank you for ignoring the main point of my previous comment. - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Since I first started hearing people talk about the creativity aspect I have seen *some* games, like you mentioned, that cater to this"
I have recently played in the past 3 months at least 20 creative games ont he PS2 alone. These creative complaints really didn't reach critical mass until after the announcement of the Wii's controller and I am pretty sure these games I have played were well underway before then. It is going to happen again. The change is not up to Sony, or Nintendo, or Microsoft. The creative complaints should lie with game developers not the consoles creators... I fully expect a subset of people to start complaining about creativity again within the next five years. Neo has got it right. People aren't really exploring whats out there before they make these complaints.
- brokencode, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6I'm more surprised that the editor of the playstation mag is a woman!
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5not for long if she keeps this up.
- metallikop, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@themacx
They're going to give her a sex change as punnishment?
- boohoo, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3wow, another nail in the ps3 coffin. that casket is getting absolutely splittered with nails.
btw, i think the masses won't go for the gizmo wii controller. it just seems to niche to catch on, imo. time will tell.- aboyd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Yeah, just like Nintendo's dual-screen handheld, with its weird stylus controller. Nobody went for that, either.
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"it just seems to niche"
Would you rather ALWAYS play games on a pad or would you at least try new and innovative ways to play? I'm curious to see what shooters are going to be like... esp Call of Duty 3!
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7this is kind of like coca-cola's vp of marketing publicly announcing that he's switching to pepsi.. weird stuff.
- piratearggghhh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I really hope nothing bad happens to her job-wise. I know Sony has been very protective of their company image like when they fired that guy who claimed that the 360 was a better development platform a few months back.
- salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7John Carmack? :) trying to cover up that story when one of the fathers of gaming is coming out with it was a pretty futile move.
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4she allready fired.. leaving next week... need a job?... just suck Bills *****.
- piratearggghhh, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10175/Sony-Employee-Fired-for-Commenting-PS3-Development/
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2John Carmack? I heard his rant..... and it was stupid. OMG the PS3 is way to hard to......... then people who worked on the PS2 before came out and said that deving for the PS3 is easier than deving for the PS2. Considering the amount of amazing games I have played on the PS2..... and thinking back to doom 3...... I am not worried about what he is saying.
- samdu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I would hope that people in the gaming media, regardless of which magazine they write for, will get all three consoles. Which begs the quesition... Will someone make a big deal when the editor of the official X-Box magazine gets a PS3? Probably not. Get a life, folks.
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4and you should read it before commenting
- Supra1145, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3fool proof plan get a x360 now trade in later for ps3 if u made a mistake no big deal i did this last genaration yea i kind of blew like 100 bucks doin it but it worked started with a ps2....then traded that in for a xbox then that for a gamecube...in the end got the ps2 best investemt planning to do the same this generation
- ChicagoDS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I just wonder why she'd publicly state this, the feels this strongly about sony doing us wrong?
- TheXeno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Wow, you know what I got out of this? She's gonna buy the console that best fits her. Everyone should do that. Really. Buy what you like, and what'll fit your gaming budget. Screw these bash fests. For me, I have an HDTV, surround sound, and I've been waiting to purchase movies in HD for a good while now. So yeah, the PS3 sounds kick ass to me. To each thier own.
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7For me it's the games... 5000+ for the PS and just 500+ for the xbox.... enough said I'd rather own a PS3&Wii then the 360....
- NeoTechni, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5"Screw these bash fests. For me, I have an HDTV, surround sound, and I've been waiting to purchase movies in HD for a good while now. So yeah, the PS3 sounds kick ass to me. To each thier own. "
Same - mrgreen4242, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I love when people use the PSx library as an excuse for getting another PS machine. Apart fromthe first 6-12 months when did you ever play last generations games on you new console?
Everything from the PS1 through now has pretty much just been evolutionary, no need to go back and play most of those games. Stuff before that is "classic" - they are different types of games, and going back to those can be fun (NES/SNES era stuff). Sure, there's a couple good games from the last generation that are worth going back to... but not 5000 or even 500. Probably not even 50. I'd say 10 tops, and they're probably spread pretty equally accross the consoles.
- ChicagoDS, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I just wonder why she'd publicly state this, she feels this strongly about sony doing us wrong?
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3HELLOOOO... It's a female gamer WTF do you expect? It's like sending her too buy a sports car and she comes home with a Mini.... Anyway she talked about it on the Pod cast, I don't see the problem, after she bought the 360 she will run right back in mommies arms...SONY!
- themacx, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4"So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what--for me at least--will be a very similar experience for $400. I would like to own a PS3, and I hope that the price drops soon so I can consider it. But until then, this Official PlayStation Magazine editor will have to join the dark side."
The CORE PS3 is NOT 600 $ SHE TALKS CRAP...and "very similar experience for $400" WTF the bitch all ready forgot the tilt controller, PSP connectivity and the FREE On-line service, the games... HELLO THE GAMES!!!!... and Blu Ray... not some HD ad-on. I'm writing a pissed letter to OPM right now she should be fired and burned for talking crap like this.
And for the 360 owners... watch out! she's coming to mess up in your stronghold.... Wii is next on her list.... TERRORIZE! she calls 360 the dark side.... funny. - bluescorpio, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1how is this "IRONIC"???? Please do not use words you fail to comprehend.
- mem2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Ironic, the mis-use of a word for anything other than its liteteral meaning.
most times when ppl say isnt that ironic, what the should be saying is that its a coincidence.
- mem2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Ironic, the mis-use of a word for anything other than its liteteral meaning.
- kuri, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I don't see how this qualifies as an "interesting read"... she just states she likes things simple and pragmatic, like most cautious spenders, and reiterates every bad point of the PS3 brought up till now.
I was expecting some... I dunno... maybe some hints at PS3 specs not being as advertised or something. - digiteyes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3well duh.. i mean if she is the editor of the Official Playstation magazine.. its most likely she is already getting a PS3 for free.. And XBOX being the PS3's competitor I severely doubt Microsoft would give her one for free, hence the reason she would have to buy one. For people to jump to the conclusion that she is saying the XBOX is better than the PS3 is baseless.
- avidlinuxuser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5She isn't going to get a PS3 for free. She says as much in her blog. She'll have one at work provided by ZD Media. However, that is all she will get. At home, she will have no PS3 just an XBox 360.
- TheXeno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Heh, think about it, if my job provided a free PS3 to play, with a consistent flow of new games, I'd probably get the other consoles at home too.
- BBad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1She'll have a PS3 in the office and most likely can take it home when ever she feels like, plus she'll have free access to game too So what would be the point of taking work home!
So getting a 360 would be something different.
Don't get fooled an editor of a big mag will most likely be getting the system at home, (maybe not at launch but sometime after). Hell she can even write it off as work related expenses come tax time.
- ronaldst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I want to see the games in their final versions before making up my mind about the PS3.
- ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Thank you! This is what people should actually be doing!
What a lot of people don't realize is that Ziff Davis gets 3-5 free PS3's for their office, so actually buying a PS3 when you can hang around at the office any play everything for free is the main reason. I just think she's making a big deal out of this. As some can see, it has been blown out of proportion and anybody who hates the PS3 has basically dugg the story.
- ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Thank you! This is what people should actually be doing!
- Matt01, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4I hope sony sack her for what she said, unless she wants out already.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6No one should be sacked for speaking what they believe to be the truth. Better she betrays Sony than you and me. She’s supposed to be a journalist not a publicist for Sony products. I expect the editors and writers to tell me what they believe to be the truth about what they write. Let Sony do it’s own spinning and let the buyer beware.
- Radiohead84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would think she woudl own every system. The only way she would be able to compare the systems would be to play all of them.
- OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1The title says it all.
XBOX and Xbox360 Rule!- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep, your right, the XBOX & XBOX 360 rule the MS consoles.
Thnx for letting us in on it. - OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is only one reason to care and that is when a company is taking, not only your hard earned money, but advantage of you. Sony, with the PS3, is the only company that is taking advantage of the gamer by not selling you a gaming machine - rather they are selling you a DVD player at an amazingly high cost! You, the consumer, will be forced to purchase the higher priced PS3 to get all the bells and whistles. If you make the mistake of believing Sony and picking up the lower cost model then you will eventually have to buy another PS3 the higher priced PS2 in order to take full advantage and have to access to take advantage of what the system is capable of!
Xbox and Wii see you the consumer one unit that does and will do it all the first time around. (only difference is the need to pickup a hard drive and for hd a hd drive (that will be around the same cost of the Hard drive).
So if you are a real sucker then by all means Pick up a few PS3. But if you have a brain in your head (like the editor of the mag) then you will, for less than the total cost of the PS3, pick up both the Wii and 360.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yep, your right, the XBOX & XBOX 360 rule the MS consoles.
- furiousmonk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Why is she waiting until November?
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That puzzles me as well....
Anyone like to speculate on that?
Like it was said before, it's also very weird she hasn't got one already, being a games magazine editor - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe she has to live on a budget like we do, no new toys until the holidays. Or maybe she is waiting to see whether the PS3 is all Hype. Everyone has been talking about the PS3 as if they had actually seen and used it. All we really know about it is what Sony wants us to believe. What I know about the cell makes me skeptical. Until someone can benchmark the hardware and see some non CG game code running on the system we are all just guessing. If it were all about the hardware specs Intel would alway be faster than AMD.
- Qwyjibo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This could all be a Sony ploy. Picture this, a couple months before the PS3 comes out you claim that the 360 will be able to satisfy all your needs. Then the PS3 comes out and you're "shocked" by how amazing the PS3 is. After all, if the PS3 is good enough to convert a "nonbeliever" then it must be awesome.
- P5ycHo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That puzzles me as well....
- martin993, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What she said.
I didn't bother with an Xbox but the 360 is looking good. Buying a Wii is a no-brainer. They knock the 360 price down a little at the end of the year and I'm sold.
Is that editor hot? She's hiding half her face. Weird anyway. - gism82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1a 360, wii, ds lite, a bunch of ps2 games...these are all things id buy over a ps3 in november...
- Username222, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I only want to say that these are only high-powered gaming systems. We are not talking about a cure for cancer, we are talking about how to kill an afternoon or boredom. Why do we care who is buying what system? I mean, I think some of the specs out there are awesome and nothing to sneeze at, but is it really something to almost die over and tear another person's head off about? Just wanted to ask that question. I don't mean to offend hardcore gamers/console fans, I just don't get how people tie into this like it is there life. However, given the investment of time and money in doing your research and buying one of these systems, I could understand how you would want to kill someone else for it. I hope that all enjoy their systems, whatever they choose to get!
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As much respect as I have for her - she isn't going to be at the Official Playstation Magazine much longer...that I can guarantee.
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