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Ebay Auctions: PS3 Prices Collapsing

search.ebay.com — Many 60GB PS3 auctions are ending at $600 or below. PS3 supply is severely constrained, it's the busiest retail week of the year, and no one is interested in buying PS3s. People are selling them on Ebay are losing money just to get rid of them. When your recently launched product is being dumped at a loss, it's time to panic.

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  • thenet411, on 10/12/2007, -15/+210Game over. PS3 scalpers lose.
    • LightsOut06, on 10/12/2007, -108/+11I see a 20 gb PS3 selling for 900 bucks right now.
    • McLumpy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+32That doesn't mean it'll sell.
    • slimpip, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50I'm confused... all the PS3s I see in that link are going for over $600. The ones that are going for below $600 have reserves on them.
    • ReCkLeSsX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I think the reason is a mixture between there being so many damn auctions to choose from and the fact that it may not currently provide 100% value, in terms of the amount spent.
    • airiox, on 10/12/2007, -29/+11Glad I sold mine on Sunday, Sold it for $840 with a profit of around $150 when you take out tax, paypal and ebay fees.

      A few hours before the auction ended I was prepared just to keep the console myself, didnt think I would turn a large enough profit to sell it.
    • J3yrad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@LightsOut
      Thats for a bundle, included is a Wii, PSP, and the PS3.
      ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260063597027 )
    • aurrea, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15I think this is just the nature of these types of auctions. The Xbox 360 followed the same trend. I purchased mine from ebay about a week before christmas in '05 for 60 dollars over msrp.
    • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15aurrea I fail to see how that holds true for the majority of 360's on ebay. I saw quite a few into February that were still selling for $200 over retail. The 360 held its price alot better then the PS3 has which is odd considering all the hype that surrounds a Sony launch.
    • hobgobbler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19I for one Never saw this coming.

      /:P

      suckas
    • monkeyness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15aurrea you got quite a deal, then. Xbox 360 was selling hundreds over retail well into Q1 2006.
    • ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -30/+66"When your recently launched product is being dumped at a loss..."

      What a pathetic analysis, dude. Here's what's REALLY going on:

      People are smart. They know that everyone lined up to buy PS3s in order to sell them for a profit. They also know there are not enough good games on the system CURRENTLY, but they still have high hopes. So seeing as how the price is too high right now, and the system is still worthless because there's not enough content on it, people are smart enough to wait until summer, or next Christmas, when over a hundred games will be out on the system, the online stuff will work correctly, and you can easily walk into any corner electronics store and buy one.

      So yes, PS3 scalpers lose because they're greedy. There are so many of them that the launch of the system was insane. If YOU knew anyone who was guaranteed to buy it, wouldn't YOU have told them to sell it on eBay? That's what happened, EVERYBODY decided to sell theirs. That's what the mistake was -- greed.

      So here's what's going to happen:

      - The Wii will become Nintendo's biggest hit in over a decade because every non-gamer wants it, so it's prospective audience is massive.
      - Xbox 360 will continue selling at a decent (though not spectacular) pace and will be a moderate success in the long-run, likely outselling the original Xbox.
      - PS3 sales will be nonexistant until at least April (partly because of supply, and party because there's not enough games yet to warrant a purchase), at which point they'll start picking up, and FAST.

      There is no weak console in this generation. All three of these will be very successful. At the same time, none of the 3 companies will come close to replicating the success of the PlayStation 1 and 2. Those days are over. The competition is too strong this time.
    • Monolith2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35I just picked up a PS3 at my local Target today. No lines, no waiting, they actually had them in stock.
    • wild, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Actually, you are all right. Last year, I was bidding on an ebay auction and lost it by 5 bucks at just over 50 MSRP the week of Christmas. But that was cool, because my girlfriend walked in with one later that night. Two weeks later, my buddy was looking on ebay and they were 200 over MSRP again. I think the week of Christmas people kind of give up looking expecting to find one easy the following week.

      And then they don't, and demand spikes again. Expect the same thing for PS3.
    • mark_in_bc, on 10/12/2007, -20/+12I was at Walmart today and they had 6 60 gig PSP in the display case. The sales floor guy told me they had been in stock all day and no one seemed interested.
    • Dabellah, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Well the PS3 story of the release so far (at least imo and to my personal experience) was when my store had 2 in stock, a 20gb and a 60gb. All of the sales associates in media were telling customers of having these two consoles and after a FULL RETAIL DAY at this time of year, NO ONE BOUGHT EM. That's right, not a single person was actually interested in purchasing a PS3 out of countless customers. To me, that's just freaking rediculous. Then on the flip-side, everytime we are rumored to have Wii consoles in stock there are people camping outside once again to pick them all up. We received 24 one morning and there were yet again enough people camped outside to buy every last one of them. Nintendo definitely has a winner on their hands, this is undeniable truth. Sony may very well have the most short-falling console second to only that of the VirtuaBoy (at least there are games for the PS3 =P).
    • llbbl, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Yea I hear they are selling them now for as little as a dollar ... hahaha get it?? :P
    • CAPMCrunch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You also might want to consider that the window for shipping these consoles before Christmas is rapidly closing. This will have an impact on price as well. There is a value associated with receiving the console before Christmas. This value is impacted in the prices of already listed consoles.
    • LastDinosaur, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Anybody remember this?

      http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Why_the_PS3_Will_Fail
    • Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29"People are smart. They know that everyone lined up to buy PS3s in order to sell them for a profit. They also know there are not enough good games on the system CURRENTLY, but they still have high hopes. So seeing as how the price is too high right now, and the system is still worthless because there's not enough content on it, people are smart enough to wait until summer, or next Christmas, when over a hundred games will be out on the system, the online stuff will work correctly, and you can easily walk into any corner electronics store and buy one."

      Interesting take. However, it turns out not to be the case. Gamer Joe doesn't care about the game library or eBay. He cares that it's a new PlayStation, but it costs $600 bucks. I talked to a lot of people right before the launch who assumed it was going to drop for $300. $350 at the most. They didn't know jack about the Blu-ray and the HDMI and the memory card reader and that movie with Will Ferrel in it.

      When it comes right down to it, the gaming masses are not as "connected" as you think. They're not checking blogs, trading rumors, or scanning release lists. They're walking into a store, looking at the price tag, and either walking out or buying a 360 instead. That is the cold, hard reality of how little influence the Internet has on the mainstream. (Which is why I think Time's latest trip is ludicrous on its face, but that's another matter.)

      In general, people aren't smart so much as they are cheap. When the console is reasonably priced, people will buy it, regardless of its library or its rumors or its release list. They'll buy it because Sony's been good to them with the previous two generations, and they'll probably be happy with what they get.
    • culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2"What a pathetic analysis, dude. Here's what's REALLY going on:"

      Thanks every-so-much for enlightening everyone. While you're at it, Nostrodumbass, what stock should I buy? (Because I'm certainly not buying SNE...)

    • UberNinja, on 10/12/2007, -15/+0http://cgi.ebay.com/Playstation-3-60GB-BUNDLE-GAMES-MOVIE-Ext-Controler-PS3_W0QQitemZ110070023095QQihZ001QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-Console-w-Gift-Receipts_W0QQitemZ140066202074QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Playstation-3-PS3-60GB-US-Game-Movie-ON-HAND_W0QQitemZ120066462823QQihZ002QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      Retards.
    • posure, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I've seen PS3's in stock at a Target, a Gamestop, and an EB over the past week. Its almost as if there's no demand for it.
    • deserted, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17@ Uberninja.

      Stop calling people retards and look at what you post.
      You posted this as "proof" that PS3s are not going for cheap.
      http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-Sony-Playstation-3-PS3-Console-w-Gift-Receipts_W0QQitemZ140066202074QQihZ004QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

      It includes 1 Additional Wireless Controller, 3 Games, and a 2 Year Warranty. It sold for $811, which is less than at retail with the included items.
    • driftwood07, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@ilyag . thank you .
    • staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4
      Gamer joe isn't as uninformed as you think. I encounter people everydoy who don't read blogs, who don't understand the implications of HDCP and yet the can tell me what HDMI is, what blu ray is and definately what the PS3 is. I used to be a salesmen I have seen people buy thinks because they "think" that an item is quality and/or either it is in fad. I love to point out the case of motorola razr's compared to motorola 710's. Same tech except that the 710 was cheaper by $300 dollars at the time and it was less buggy.

      What did it take to be a success? Average gamer joe new what PS1 was and thats why the PS2 sold. PS2 hit an absurd amount of numbers.... Average joe knows what the PS3 is. It is that simple.
    • ptaylor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1All (good) things must come to an end?
    • ptaylor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ ilyag

      That's about right. Right now, the only winners in Ebay auctions, is Ebay. I went to EB Games and asked the guy when the next wave of PS3s will be in and and he said that they are getting them once a week. PS3s have mucho potential, but due to lack of good games and the price of the system, the demand is not meeting the EBay supply.

      If you really want a PS3, just find a good 20GB one. Any techie really knows that the $100 difference between the two systems is not really worth the features that are missing from the 20GB version. I don't know of any gigabit wi-fi/wireless routers so the wi-fi/wireless feature is negated. You can get a 60gb notebook HD on Newegg for >$60 now (probably less after the holidays), and a $20-or-less card reader should handle the missing card reader from the 20GB version.
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2"aurrea you got quite a deal, then. Xbox 360 was selling hundreds over retail well into Q1 2006."

      *****. I sold my 360 for $70 profit a week before xmas and my friend sold his for $30 profit. I've sold a couple of 360s and a couple of PS3s and they followed exact same trends on eBay.
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2"aurrea I fail to see how that holds true for the majority of 360's on ebay. I saw quite a few into February that were still selling for $200 over retail. The 360 held its price alot better then the PS3 has which is odd considering all the hype that surrounds a Sony launch."

      False. I don't care what you saw. I sold 2 360s last year and 3 PS3s this year and kept track of the eBay trends. They followed the exact same paterns, with the market collapsing right before xmas.
    • sibhod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ilyag said "What a pathetic analysis, dude. Here's what's REALLY going on..."

      That's a pretty sunny outlook for Sony you have there, but it doesn't seem to be grounded much in reality. Console launches have very little to do with the launch line-up unfortunately. Most people buy consoles with no idea what games are available. The hardcore gamers, who actually read tech news and keep up with what titles are launching when, are in the minority and make up very little of a console's sales.

      Sony has made mistake after mistake over the past year or so, and they are paying for it now. Nintendo had it's era of being toppled from the top by blundering decisions after the SNES, and it looks like history has repeated itself with Sony. One difference is though, Sony doesn't have a cash cow like the GameBoy to rest on, like Nintendo did. If Sony can't shape up soon, this could be their last console. Not that I'm decrying doom and gloom, but if they continue to head the way they are going, things are definitely not sunny.

      When the PS3 costs $600, and is virtually identical to the 360 minus BluRay, the amount of people who actually buy both consoles will be much slimmer. MGS is my fav. series, and I desperately want to play MGS4, but I would rather wait until it's ported or emulated in future generations than spend $600+ on one game.
    • jcact, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@ilyag

      Your argument falls apart on the false assumption that people are smart.
  • OrdoSeclorum, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30Amazing. People thought that prices would skyrocket again right before Christmas. Now it looks like it is almost impossible to make a profit on PS3 with Ebay.

    Interesting note: I bought my 360 on Ebay for $100 over invoice in March--four months after launch. It was the cheapest auction I saw in two days of watching. Amazing that PS3 demand has bottomed out in 30 days.
    • Stonedonkey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37"Amazing. People thought that prices would skyrocket again right before Christmas. Now it looks like it is almost impossible to make a profit on PS3 with Ebay."

      I think everyone bought a Wii or 360 instead :p
    • JordanRL, on 10/12/2007, -19/+4Microsoft wasn't able to ship any reasonable second or third, etc. shipments until almost February. Sony is shipping them fast, and regularly. This is a supply driven dive, not demand.
    • interiot, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@JordanRL: I think you might be right... there's ~10 PS3's being sold every minute right now, 5 weeks after the US launch... that's not first shipment units, that's a strong second/third shipment. So did Sony intentionally hold back supply on launch day, and then flood the market right afterwards? That doesn't line up with the delayed Europe launch though.
    • MouseCircus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Well, didn't Sony announce that only the first 500k PS3s would come with that crappy movie, Talladega Nights?

      My mother heard that you could make a nice profit on the PS3, and bought one just yesterday from a brand new shipment at Wal-Mart. It still had the little sticker on the corner that says it includes Talladega Nights.

      Unless Sony changed their mind and decided it was a great idea to include Talladega Nights with every 60GB PS3, then they still haven't even sold 500k.
      I seriously doubt that the price drops on Ebay are due to Sony suddenly shipping a million units.
    • fauxXenophanes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Disgraceful showing - some heads are gonna roll !
    • stappawho, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@MouseCircus

      "Well, didn't Sony announce that only the first 500k PS3s would come with that crappy movie, Talladega Nights?"

      Um, Talladega Nights is hilarious. Great movie.
  • rocke86, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48This is bad news for Sony, if the ps3 has already reached market saturation, meaning everyone that wants to buy one at the retail price has one, It could be a disaster for the PS3. Sony has burned too many bridges to market this to other audiences. Even a price drop will have little effect since I expect the xbox 360 to drop $100 this spring. Game makers could start avoiding the ps3 due to lack of a big audience causing sales to further decline. 2007 could be the year the ps3 falls taking blu-ray with it.
  • Osbourne, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6It's because all the rich peeps bought thiers already
  • rbtopp, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11I almost feel bad for those bastards at sony.
  • vawksel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41The real problem isn't the "PS3 is bad", its just too expensive even at $600. At that price, it still feels like its "marked up", considering the current game library shows nothing really over the 360 at $400, it seems to be much worse. Lets not even get into the Wii... thats a phenomenon in and of itself.

    The PS3 should be $350 for the premium if the 360 is $400. Yes, dump the Blu-Ray, huge mistake including that with your game console.

    If the PS3 was $350 (no blu-ray), I really believe it would be doing a WHOLE lot better.
    • KillerJ59J, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I agree. It's not bad, but it isn't anything special. High price, no games...
    • BobsYourUncle, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Premium 360 is $499, PS3 was $659 (in Canada anyway). You can't get them anywhere, so I don't know if the price has changed, but I saw that price advertised at launch. Not THAT big a difference. When you factor in an XBL account, you're not saving that much.

      I'm not getting a PS3 until I see some progress, but the dollar value difference isn't as huge as some people might assume. It really depends on the market.
    • andreo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14No but wait! The PS3 isn't that much different from the 360...
      If you, uh, yeah, add on the HD-DVD player and the wireless headset then the 360 premium cost almost as much.

      And, uh, if you add on the wireless wheel and some games and the Xbox live subscription and some memory cards and stuff then it cost more!

      I just thought I would post that before the Sony fanboys did. Because I see it in every single discussion that contains anything about price.
      And I'm all about continuity damn it.
  • p2502, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Alternatively, Wii sales are going along rather briskly.

    http://video-games.search.ebay.com/wii_Systems_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturnedZ300QQsacatZ62054
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2It just proves that if you price a piece of ***** low enough and create a lot of hype, there are plenty of retards who will buy it, despite the fact that there's only one decent game available for it.
    • blofeld9999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even if I agreed with your analysis of one decent game on the Wii, how does that differ from the PS3 exactly? It's not like the launch lineup is full of AAA titles.
    • kRabbit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1One decent game? it's obvious you haven't played the Wii.
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I own the Wii, along with Zelda and a really ***** version of CoD3. Can't see myself spending $50 on any of the other current games though. They are either too kiddy for my tastes (Rayman, Monkey Ball) or have really ***** reviews (Red Steel, Excite Truck, Far Cry).
  • tanameyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Meh... If worst comes to worst those PS3 scalpers can just return their unsold PS3s to the store after Christmas, right? Who wouldn't just return it to the store? Let EB Games eat it. Sure, you'd lose your listing fee, but that's the only loss incurred.

    Most stores allow holiday returns until mid-January. As long as the eBayers kept their receipts they should be fine.
    • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually, i read a post on craigslist where one would-be ebay scalper couldn't get what he wanted on ebay, and posted it on craigslist saying he'd be returning it to the store if he couldn't sell it soon.
    • jcasper, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I was in walmart on Monday shopping when they announced they had some ps3's, so I bought one thinking someone would want it. Posted it on craigstlist no responses. And nothing from my friends so I am going to return it.
  • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4Except your own link doesn't back you up. All are over $600, except for some that are really close and have yet to have the last minute bidding that generally drives the final price up by at least 25%
    • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Did you even look? There were at least 5 with under 3 mins to go that were around 400 bucks.
    • robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9What about sales tax, ebay fees, and paypal fees. $725 is probably the break even point on the 60GB model when selling through eBay.
    • bdorry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Click the link, all the ones I looked at were 100-200 dollars more than the list said they were at. The systems aren't selling for as low as the topic implies. Though after fees the profit margin probably isn't that great
    • interiot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There are a number of 20GB units without reserve with a final price less than retail... but that's more indicitave of the 20GB vs 60GB demand.
  • muleking, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Other than wanting the newest and shiniest I don't understand why anyone would even pay the retail $600 just to play Resistance (the only stand-out exclusive title) when it really isn't even a great game. Especially compared to somthing like Gears of War.

    I bought a Wii the day it came out, and it really isn't worth owning right now either. The only great game is Zelda, and its out on the $99 gamecube right now anyway. Even if it lacks the spiffy controls.
    • Inverse24, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10Yeah, after owning a wii for a month now, I really don't see the point. Nintendo really needs to get good quality games releasing at a constant flow. If they don't it will be the gamecube all over again.
    • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Im going to have to agree with you there about the Wii. When I 1st got it I was in love with Wii sports but my interest has slowly faded. I have Zelda as well but I havent played it in two weeks and I dont see myself doing so for some time.

      I've been renting Wii games from gamefly trying to find something worth playing but I havent yet. Elebits is on its way right now and that looks cool but it also looks like a $50 tech demo. Another problem is the VC. Nintendo needs to start releasing quality titles on there in large numbers. I see no reason to wait and keep releasing 3 titles a week that nobody really wants.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Get Rayman. It's unputdownable. Trust me.
    • Zoxy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1I doubt anyone bought the system just to play resistance, they bought it for the up and coming releases and to have the newest console.
    • mark_in_bc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Zelda is better than anything of the PS3 at the moment.
    • andreo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'm gonna have to disagree with you guys. I only have 3 games for the Wii and I'm digging them all (not so much Red Steel though). Wii sports still sees more action then Zelda or Red Steel. I hear that Tecmo golf game is good also. And I plan on getting Rayman and trauma Center is already on the way.
      Wario Ware seems to be a must buy and I've head good things about Excite Truck.

      The VC games are what they are. If you think it would be fun to sit down, pull out the Genesis, TG16, SNES, or NES and spend time with the games that came on that system, then you will be happy. If you're expecting Live Arcade remakes with multi-player, high scores, and such, then you will never like the VC.

      I like the VC because I get to play some games that I missed while growing up. And some others that I really don't want to go digging through 15-20 years worth of boxes to find.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10"I bought a Wii the day it came out, and it really isn't worth owning right now either. The only great game is Zelda" - muleking

      Huh???

      Wii Sports - unstoppable appeal (ask any of my friends and neighbors who have tried it). This game alone will sell millions of consoles.

      ExciteTruck - far more entertaining than the critics would have you believe. Racing games bore me, but ExciteTruck is a blast.

      Rayman Raving Rabbids - a lot of fun. Definitely worth owning.

      Elebits - just got this one today, but so far plays like a winner.

      Madden - control scheme makes a tired-out franchise fun again.

      Compare this lineup with what the 360 had during the launch month that were actually worth playing. Um, hmmm, ah, Call of Duty 2. That made the 360 "worth owning" I suppose?
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Quix:

      CoD2, Perfect Dark Zero, Project Gotham Racing 3, Need for Speed, Kameo, Ridge Racer 6, Dead or Alive 4 (practically a launch title) - All worthy games, thank you very much.
  • sixister, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Good lord, look at em all. How ugly.
  • Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Good. The prices before were crazy. For the people who were not nuts and buy something for that high a price. Thank you for staying sane and not going nuts just because your kids wanted to make sure there was a PS3 under the tree this Christmas. Playing on the computer is the way to go. Rather buy a new Graphic card every now and then and play better games with more capability. Basically these games systems are turning into computers. So, you have another computer that does not have a keyboard. PC gaming FTW!!
    • andreo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Totally off topic FTL

      Look, if you like PC gaming then fine, have at it. Either way you will pay out the nose for the latest and greatest. Tell me this. How often is there something new coming out in the world of essential PC hardware? How often is the next video card coming out? And what is the price of that card? How about mainboards? These things are not cheap. I can spend (I don't have to, but I can) as much on a mainboard as I cant a Wii. I can spend as much on a video card as I can a 360 or PS3.
      The only difference with consoles is that I don't have to wonder if there will be any compatibility issues when I start the game. Yeah, there may be bugs that got by. But I know that I'm seeing the same game that everyone else is seeing. I know that resolution that I'm playing at is the resolution that the developer wanted me to play at (unless I'm on a SDTV).
      And I get to do this from the comfort of easy chair or couch!
  • robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I wouldn't mind buying a 20GB model, but I am concerned about the FUD concerning playback on 720P displays. Is that true that the PS3 is 720P challenged?
    • Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16And there's no built-in wireless. They could put Wi-Fi in their 2 year old PSP but not in a $500 PS3 20GB?
    • rbtopp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3yes
    • robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+4Don't care about WiFi. I had my house professionally wired with CAT6 and a Gigabit switch.
    • typobox43, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4720p is fine. The issue is that it won't upscale 720p-only games for TVs that only support 1080i.
  • adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5people need to keep NOT buying them....so we'll see some buy it now prices around 300-400 bucks after they keep losing money relisting these things.
  • pglowiak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Sony who?
  • Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I love the ones with the highest offer are the ones guaranteeing delivery by x-mas. bad parenting FTW
  • vobiwan, on 10/12/2007, -15/+9the reason the PS3 is bottoming out is b/c so many people bought the PS3 just to sell it on eBay which is why so few games and so few blu-ray movies are being purchased. With all the negative press sony has been getting lately (due to shortages, blown batteries, hubris, etc...) combined with low blu-ray sales (b/c the people that would buy blu-ray can't get a PS3 b/c they are on eBay) and few games has led to a backlash against sony. now there is more positive buzz surrounding the Wii and even the 360! Sony has a major problem on its hands. I personally like sony and the PS3 and i think over time the PS3 will put out better games than either the Wii or the 360. It would be tragic if Sony folded like sega, then we'd have only nintendo and microsoft and we'd be poorer for it.
    • fishmasta, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Please don't compare Sony to Sega. Sega was known for their great first-party games, even if they didn't have all the third-party support. Sony relies extremely heavily on their third-party line-up and if they left the market, I don't see it as a big loss.
    • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Comparing Sony to Sega is a gaming sin. You shouldnt be allowed near another video game again for saying such things.
    • niceyuk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2"b/c the people that would buy blu-ray can't get a PS3 b/c they are on eBay"

      eh? that doesnt make sense, surely if there was a market for cheap blue-ray players people would be snapping up these "cheap blue-ray players"
    • BabyWookie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Funny, WTF happened to Sega making great games? When was the last time they made a really good game? I used to love them, but they seem to have hit rock bottom recently.
  • Rodalli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24I was in line for a Wii at a local Super Target early this past Sunday morning (I had one already but was buying for a family member for X-mas), and nearly everyone I spoke to in line was a parent trying to get one for their kid(s) or a former PS3 scalper looking to cash in on the boom in Wii interest. One couple were buying just to turn around and sell on eBay for a profit. I asked them if they had sold any PS3's and they told me they still have 3 PS3's sitting at home that they can't get rid of on eBay or otherwise. They were thinking of selling at a loss while they still can.

    Another guy I spoke to was in his early to mid 20's, he's been making a business out of eBay selling PS3's, Wii's and DS Lites online. He spun a tale of similar woe when questioned about the PS3 situation on eBay.

    The reality that's surfacing is that demand for the PS3 was destroyed by scalping combined with a lack of supply. With prices jacked up so high at launch time, the moderate gamers and parents just accepted the fact that they would never get their hands on a PS3 for any decent price. Instead, they chose to either get a Wii, which was much more achievable, or just walk into a store and pick up a 360. Either that, or interest in the PS3 was never as strong as was first believed. A combination of low supply and resellers just created the illusion of high demand.

    When the dust has settled, hopefully Sony and the other console makers will have learned their lesson: it doesn't pay to launch a console if you can't put any units on the shelf. And maybe the amateur scalpers will learn theirs too: take an economics class before you decide to get into the business of overcharging Middle America for low supply consumer electronics.
    • ChickenHead, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I don't buy that people are willing to sell them at a loss, especially when they can go right back to where they bought them and return them for full retail value. What's the urgency? Your story sounds a little fishy.
    • saintdesy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Because they don't know they will sell at a loss. It is an auction, with alot of people listing no reserve because their previous auction didn't it reserve. If they knew it would be sold at a loss, they would just return it.
    • Rodalli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14*shrugs* Meh. Believe me or not, I don't care. Maybe they were *****. They seemed semi-intelligent, decent-enough folk, save for the fact that they were trying to turn a profit on a Wii while 30 other people behind them in line who were trying to get a present for a kid were going home empty-handed. Maybe it's karma that they've been cursed with being too stupid to realize they can just return the thing to the store. Or maybe they're holding out hoping that someone will bid on their overpriced auctions.

      It's basic supply and demand. The lack of reasonably attainable supply has killed all reasonable demand.
    • Van3ck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I stood in line in front of a Best Buy Saturday for 10 hours to get my Wii, and had a similar experience. Two people tried pimping off PS3's to me while in line, both saying they can't get rid of them. One dude was offering it for 600 bucks flat out. I told him if he accepted credit cards *maybe* I would have taken up on the offer, but right now I have enough cash for one system... and that is going to be a Wii.

      The funny thing is, just two months ago, I could have cared less about the Wii and would have killed to get an offer of PS3 for 600 bucks. I guess I was blinded by the hype for a while... but with all the CRAP that has surrounded the PS3 launch, I have definitely been disillusioned. The magic has been killed for it, while the Wii has really shined through and proven to be *fun* and *innovative*... not full of problems and surrounded by greed.
  • m00nstone, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12I can't understand why anyone would choose to pay $200 more for a PS3 over an xbox 360. Sony is really that arrogant... or that stupid.
    • Ignignokt01, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Here's some logic for Sony next time, if they're still chuggin by the next gen:

      If you put technology that is too advanced for the developers to utilize near the beginning of your console's launch, don't expect people to be wow'ing over the graphical capabilities for at least a year into the console's life.
    • AnarchyOnline, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4I guess you were not very good in mathematics back in school

      Xbucks premium cost 400 and only has 3 months warranty out of the box and its garanteed to break within a year. And MS does not provide service as good as Sony. Xbux live cost money.

      PS3 20g cost 500 and comes with 12 months warranty with a true fast service.
      Included in the price, a blue-ray drive which allow you to play blue-ray games and blue-ray movies. (that alone worth 500 bux)
      Sony game network is also free.
      All the known bugs are slowly resolved.. They are releasing firmware updates every few days. Those firmware are downloaded from Sony network almost in the background and you don't have anything to do except clicking agree..

      PS3 is a better deal, money wise.

      As for the games.. thats a different topic. nothing to do with mathematics..
    • NetJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@Anarchy

      MS extended the warranty on a lot of 360s. My friend's broke 2 weeks out of warranty. They fixed it for $60. Couple months later he got a refund for the repair AND a full year warranty. I have a launch day console sitting in front of me working just fine..as do at least 5 other friends.

      As for Sony's online presence. You get what you pay for. The $50/year for Live is a steal. I happily pay it every year and just renewed my sub this week. I just don't see how anyone can praise the the Sony online model when compared to the complete experience of Live. Just the fact you have a single account that spans all games with complete stats tracking is enough. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been playing one game only to get an invite from a friend to another game. It's all totally seamless and works VERY well. Add on the new media marketplace and it's great.

      I'm glad Sony is releasing firmware "every couple of days". Even during launch the 360 never had it that bad. Neither Live or the console itself isn't buggy. The last I saw they STILL haven't fixed the upconverting issue. How in the world did that even ship? There are a LOT of people out there with TVs that only do 1080i so they'll get all the 720p content in 480p. That's terrible. I'd be in the same situation if I hadn't moved up to a DLP from a HDTV RPTV a month ago.

      I'm sure at some point I'll get a PS3...I'm a console nut. You should see my collection dating WAY back. But right now I think most people will go for the combo of the 360 and the Wii.
    • culbeda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Xbucks premium cost 400 and only has 3 months warranty out of the box and its garanteed to break within a year. And MS does not provide service as good as Sony. Xbux live cost money."

      So how are the benefits at Sony? And do you they you exercise on the rooftop every morning?
    • michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6"I can't understand why anyone would choose to pay $200 more for a PS3 over an xbox 360. Sony is really that arrogant... or that stupid."

      Its worth the $200 for me to not have to listen to an aircraft turbine spinning up under my TV. 360 == 360db.
    • Thorlord, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2michaelb1 i would disagree.. but i agree with you.
      the ONLY flaw i have with my 360 is that it makes alot of noise,

      i don't notice it while playing games. but when im on the dashboard or have the volume down its there.
    • thebranca18, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Mine's the opposite of Thorlord's. I don't hear it while on the dashboard, but the DVD drive spinning makes a whole crapload of noise, very annoying. Sure it's covered up by my speakers but it's still not as quiet as the PS3.

      I like the PS3 and don't understand why everyone has to hate on it, because of the PR Machine. If you don't believe in it, don't believe in it, but that doesn't mean the console is terrible.

      I wouldn't buy it if I wasn't going to utilize its BluRay player though, so I can understand if people are just looking at it from a video game machine perspective.

      I don't think it's fair to compare it with the Wii. The featuresets are almost completely different.

      Anyway, I enjoy both my 360 and PS3. Maybe instead of spending your time playing the crappy Motorstorm demo in the kiosks (trust me the downloadable one from the Playstation Store is better), and hating on the console on digg you could just enjoy the games. I'm looking forward to March.
    • staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Ignignokt01

      Thats funny logic because thats what they did last gen. Oh and we all saw how that hurt the PS2 in the long run.
  • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm just amazed at the lack of bidding on PS3 auctions... for example:

    http://search.ebay.com/playstation-3_W0QQfromZR10QQssPageNameZWLRS

    At the time I posted this, the majority of the auctions on that page have 0 bids. And some with 0 bids even have a price UNDER the msrp :/
  • phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That is what happens when 80% of the available units end up on the same market. The price goes back to what it was on store shelves. Keep your systems and play it.
  • ChahLi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10Hmm... I don't know. I can't wait to get a PS3. Evey time I go to Best Buy and see that racing game playing I am in total awe. Now I may not be a typical gamer, I own at least one of the other consoles (PS2/XB/GC), but nonetheless the excellent graphics and processing power seem very impressive (again from what I've seen in the demos).

    I am however waiting until I can just walk into the store and pick one up. I will not buy it on eBay even at retail cost. Why? For a $600 investment, I'd like to also buy an extended warranty to have some peace of mind in case it has overheating problems the HD dies, etc.

    Bottom line, perhaps the problem is that there hasn't been enough supply to create the initial market (a frustrated demand) and that demand has begun to either (a) lose interest in the PS3 out of frustration or (b) like me, just waiting for supply to catch up.

    So, if you have the resources and haven't done so already, just get a Wii60 while you wait.
    • Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Ridge Racer 6 on the 360 is nearly the exact same game but with better visuals. Really, the only thing going for the PS3 is Resistance though Gears of WAr stomps all over that. The PS3 will eventually have games that make it worth owning but right now its just a cheap bluray player.
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@chahli

      You own 'at least' one of the other consoles? It is very hard to take anyone seriously who can't even count past one.

      Here's a hint: try holding one of your consoles in your right hand , if there is still another console not in your right hand then you have 'at least' two consoles. If there is still another console left try balancing it on your head - if you can do this then you have 'at least' three. Keep going and report back when you've worked out how many consoles you've got.
    • michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4" Evey time I go to Best Buy and see that racing game playing I am in total awe. "

      If your referring to MotoStorm it is freaking awesome. I have been playing the demo for 2 weeks now.
      its only 1 track and choice of 2 trucks or 2 motorcycles yet it has very high replay value.
      I usually don't play racing games in cockpit view mode. Usually i keep the view from behind the vehicle.
      Motostorm is most fun when driving from the drivers seat/ When you crash into a rock wall at about 100mph it makes you flinch and put your hands in up to protect your face.

      Best racing game I ever played.
    • carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yeah, motorstorm looks pretty good, though the videos they led people to beleive were in game turned out to be nowhere near their actual game. besides that i find excite truck to be a very attractive game, but more importantly it's really fun because of the places they disregard reality. making a 1800ft jump in a trophy truck while you boost over other players, then get points for your mid-air spin, sheer height of jump, and smashing the hell outta your opponent wins out for me over motorstorm's bajillion peice "ZOMG LOOKIE TEH CAR ISABAJILLIONPEICES!!!" visuals, it feels slow in comparison.

      and i guess you have to jolt your hands since the controller's a dead fish...
    • ChahLi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@piper999

      What I meant to say was that I own one or more of each of the consoles. Precisely, I own: two PS2s, one XBox, one Gamecube, one XBox 360, one Wii, and even three DS Lites.

      In other words, I'm not a typical gamer but did not want to add too much detail. :)

      -Chah Li
  • slaystench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Most auctions I checked that were ending soon are far higher than the listed price shown before clicking the link to the auction. Unless the auction is above the retail price.
  • Acill, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Wow, its look grim. I have to say I do not feel bad at all for Sony though. The big head syndrome they have over the PlayStation franchise they have was bound to bite them in the ass. Looking on eBay all over the world, even in Japan I can see a lot of them being sold and sold on eBay. I plan to get a 360 after Christmas myself. I'd like to see how many people actually are keeping the PS3 they got. I know a few people that sold them at the start, I dont know a single person.
    • vawksel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yep, I know about 12 people, friends and friends of friends who bought them on opening day, or got one the next week. They're all gone, sold on ebay or craigslist.

      I personally don't know anyone who actually has a PS3. I know a few people who have a Wii, and quite a few people with a 360.

      Two weeks ago, after getting fed up unable to buy a Wii in San Jose, CA, I went to Best Buy and picked up a 360 Premium. They had a special online, Premium($399) + Rockstar Table Tennis ($0.00) and 20% off two accessories, I got an extra controller and a wireless networking adapter. Sweet deal. Better than any Costco bundle, minus Costco's awsome return policy. (Microsoft, please don't brick my 360 with the next update!)
  • Edkim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Great news!! Long live the Wii!
  • FormulaOne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2
    Thank you, Commander Obvious. Your powers of observation are devastating.
    • NikZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Was Captain Obvious promoted or demoted? Just curious, I'm not really up with military rankings.
    • o0joshua0o, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Commander is a title, not a rank. He'd probably have to be at least a Lt General to be a Commander, though. So to answer your question, that would imply a big promotion.
    • c5mjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3In the US Navy Commander is the fifth rank and Captain is the sixth, so it would be a demotion (O-6 to O-5).
  • Toastydoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Just watched a 20 GB (plus xtra contoller) end for $465. Quite a loss for the seller.
    190063659171
    But then Again, This one sold for $909.
    280062156926
  • philhatesyou, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2It's funny. I hear so many people complaining about Sony being dicks and hoping the 360 does better. Apparently you people don't think Microsoft has the same problem. Have you forgotten every version of Windows/DOS aside from 2k and XP(the only solid Operating Systems ever to come from those clowns)?
    • Acill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah, but the 360 is the one thing Microsoft has done right, so go get one while they are still fun!
    • philhatesyou, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Acill: you've missed the entire point. People seem to want the PS3 to fail for *political* reasons, and then fail to apply the same political standards to the 360. In the end, Microsoft dominance in the console market will come back to bite us all in the ass. We'll get the console equivalent of Windows ME, and I'll laugh at every last person who complains about it, yet didn't mind buying a 360.
    • andreo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10@ philhatesyou

      How old are you? Somewhere around 12 or so?
      As much as you may hate MS I can say this. Even with the want for more out of the previous operating systems that they released. They did play a major part in taking computers from a hobbyist and business only device to something that people wanted in their homes, even if it was to just play solitaire. Other manufactures tried doing it. IBM brought out the PC Jr and it failed. The closest thing that had major home penetration was systems such as the C64, Vic20, and others from that era.

      I know this because I was working in the PC market back when Windows 3.11 was all the rage and PCs were still being sold with only DOS on them. When you had to configure system.cfg files to get sound and single speed CD-Rom drives cost almost 200 bucks.

      You think that Linux was going to have people buying PCs? Back then Linux would cause the casual PC user to search for the nearest window to hurl them self out of! You think OS/2 would have made the market grow? Please! IBM cared about its business customers, not someone that wanted to play Sam and Max or Kings Quest until 2AM!

      So give a little credit where credit is due. Windows was a big reason for the home market penetration and ease of use that we see today.
    • opnickc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7. . . and when MS releases an overpriced worthless console, we wont buy that either. And maybe Sony will have learned their lesson by then.

      Seriously, do you tell people, "Don't buy X product, because the next version might suck."? That doesn't even make sense!
    • philhatesyou, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3@ andreo:

      The explosion of the personal computer and the increase in ease of use are 2 things that I don't really care about. I'll take advantage of them since they're here, but I would rather our economy focused more on using computers for research, eg science and engineering.

      @ opnickc:

      If you think that was the gist of my argument then you're an idiot. The PS3 is a good piece of machine, but *other* people want to punish Sony for it now because they think they're getting "big head" syndrome. These people will go on to say that the 360 is the greatest thing ever, but forget that Microsoft have the worst case of that problem of all.

      It's also worth pointing out that the PS3 is not an overpriced POS like you seem to think. The hardware is vastly superior to what you get in a 360 and, the fact of the matter is, you're paying $200 less than Sony paid to put it together. You may whine about the decision to include Blu Ray as well, but just because your mind can't wrap itself around the idea that more processing power = more storage space for textures, doesn't mean it's not so. Add to all of this the fact that the PS3 probably has a far longer time before it's obsolete than the 360, and your claim that it's overpriced truly holds 0 weight.

      Come back when you know what you're talking about.
    • Optimaximal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Sony didn't include Blu-Ray to enhance games or increase the value of the console. They did it to get an automatic installed userbase for their stillborn HD media standard.
    • staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"overpriced worthless console" is an opinion. And it is one that is shoved down more people's throats than the blu ray that is being packaged with the PS3. The reasoning is flawed. It has been said before and proven wrong in the last generation. The comparable graphics, to the supply issues, difficult to dev for, the bad launch titles its all been said before. The only thing different is the price. And the plain truth..... it is worth it for the hardware that is in the console. Here on digg we have people who pick sides and try to win converts to other consoles like it is some sort of religion. It is about games. And no one who is a fan of the PS2 believes that the Xbox line will compare in variety and quality. If so they would have done so already. Again the top selling games for the 360 is either a shooter or a pc port. Not to mention the most anticipated games are also shooters of some kind.

      People wonder about the PS3's titles but looking at thier announced list they are standing better than the 360 in terms of action and RPG titles. I am not sad to own a 360 I am just sad that there isn't more variety.
  • angrynori, on 10/12/2007, -16/+0All of the auctions I see are going for above retail.
    You PS3 haters keep bringing up the same pitiful "evidence" over and over again.
    It's tiring.
    Buried as inaccurate.

    You can digg me down, I don't care.
    I have a PS3 and a Wii.
    I enjoy them both.
    • reaver84, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4The thing you need to keep in mind is that the PS3 is very highly priced. All these disses on the PS3 are not from fanboys, they're from people realizing that this piece of hardware is 1) overpriced 2) lacking good launch titles 3) has talladega nights.
    • Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8If you had a 360 and a Wii you would enjoy them more.
    • frankzotynia10, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i kind of liked talladega nights. :/


      oh my here starts the bashing...
    • staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"The thing you need to keep in mind is that the PS3 is very highly priced. All these disses on the PS3 are not from fanboys, they're from people realizing that this piece of hardware is 1) overpriced 2) lacking good launch titles 3) has talladega nights"

      Sure..... thats why the bashing started way before E306 and every negative article is digged up and anything remotely positive is buried. This has been going on for a year and the braying has only gotten louder each month. Did we forget the 360's lackluster launch? The best selling game was Call of duty 2... and it looked just the same on my powerhouse of a computer. The people preaching the new age of the Wii60 are forgetting the only reason the PS2 was on top the last gen. It was the games. As people hope the PS3 loses exclusives because the Playstation line has a large amount of awesome titles that this time next year all these articles will look silly. Sorta like the articles that declared PS2 a loser based off of the launch. The sad part about all of this... if a PS4 is made... the same embarrasing act will begin all over again. Unless you are speaking of games why hold one system over the other?
  • Splitt3rxx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4wow, wiis are still going for $350-$450 on ebay and there are more of them, I am seeing very few PS3s going above $650(even 60gb models)
    • philhatesyou, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Are you looking at Ebay for Earth2? Looking at the completed auctions listing, over 75% of these guys are going for $700 and up.
  • mark_in_bc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8There seems to be no shortage at the retail level. Most stores seem to be getting PS3's almost daily and they're not exactly flying off the shelf.
  • usc2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think it's still a little early to declare this the death of Sony, or of the PS3 for that matter. It seems like there were a lot more people this time around that bought their PS3 with the sole intent of selling it on Ebay for a profit. I think that the consumers are a little more savvy to the situation than when the PS2 or even 360 came out, and are willing to wait until spring when they will likely be readily available at a local retailer. Here's a couple other things to remember: (1) Unless these get returned after Christmas and not bought up again at the retailer, it's still a sale for Sony, and it goes to their bottom line. (2) As noted above, most of these are still going for about the same price Sony was asking at retail, so the demand is obviously still there.

    I would definitely say that this is the death of making a profit off of PS3's on Ebay. Whether or not it is the death of the PS3 remains to be seen.
  • tastle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I had a chance to buy one at the local Walmart yesterday evening. It was the 60 GB version and nobody was going for it. The 360 and Wii were sold out. It eventually was sold by 9:30 pm. Tonight I spoke to a Futureshop employee that tried to pawn a 360 on me and he said consoles aren't selling well this week. Demand has fizzled.
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There are dozens of 360s at all my local stores. Come and get one.

      Best Buy and Fry's have stacks of 50 of them. Target has as many out as fit in their cabinet, and more in back.
  • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well according to Ebay research average starting price of $990.00 and an average sold price of $1,657.00 for the PS3.
    That is straight from ebay. Don't believe me click Sell, then create a quick listing for the PS3 60gb.
    I sold one yesterday 60gb system only for $1124. Remember to look at completed listings not just the listings themselves. Many listings don't get any action until the last 30 seconds or so. If you time it right though you can get a good deal, find the good deals when there is 20 or more ending within the same minute. The problem with some not selling is that Ebay is flooded with them I think a lot of people who aren't even gamers went out and picked one up to scalp. I sold mine because I bought the Costco bundle last week and my wife surprised me because she had already picked one up at Walmart.


    • m00nstone, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4I hope that comment makes you feel better about getting a PS3. But come on, wouldn't you rather be playing Gears of War on Xbox Live right now... or swinging a Wiimote.

      Oh well, as I said, your comment seems to indicate you're comfortable with your decision.
    • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Not me, thanks.

      I have all three consoles, so I know whether I'd rather be playing Gears of War online right now. And the answer is no. The online isn't very compelling, I can't say why, it just doesn't excite me. I like Wii Sports, but I couldn't play it all day, every day.
  • docbaily, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17"This story is B.S. I mean I see PS3s going for well over a $1000 everyday on eBay. And when you read about the technology in this machine it's a real bargain. I mean I heard that the PS3 is like on the top 10 list of super computers in the world. Plus you can run linux on it. I mean come on.... LINUX. I've never even used linux but I know that it's going to allow me to make this really sweet game that's going to kill everything you've ever dreamed of thinking about. We should all be so grateful to even be allowed to own this technology. $1000+ is the price we should all pay for just thinking about the PS3. Nuff said."

    -Every PS3 fanboy ever
    • docbaily, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Why would I write a witty comment about sony fanyboys in general? I don't have a problem with sony fanboys. I have a problem with people who buy into the marketing bs that Sony has pushed out for the PS3. Sony does produce some really good quality products from time to time.
    • macmcrae, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4Yep bet all of those supercomputers on that list have 256 megs of ram. :)
  • Matrix_Prime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9what I love is the fact that I can simply walk into my local Target and buy the 60GB version as they just have them sitting on the shelf, nobody is buying them.
    • hanapbuhay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10You're getting PS3's that were returned.
    • piper999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I know a Target manager. At his store the Wii's go instantly when they get them and even though they get less PS3's they stay on the shelf for around half an hour before selling. Not a huge difference since they both sell out but its obvious what people want more.

      He also tells me they are getting an unusually high level of returns of PS3's.

    • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4piper999:
      That's because Wiis are sold at open, while Sony requires places that get PS3 to sell them immediately. So PS3s come in at random times of the day, people don't line up in the morning for them.

      As to getting PS3 returns, I'd say that's the same reason as this eBay thing. People were buying them to scalp them and are thinking better of it now.
    • apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1at $500 and $600 its alot harder to just buy the ps3 on a whim. by now, so many people that initially wanted ps3s have given up hope in trying to find one in stores that they wont care about the ps3 again until spring when they are more available. a few weeks later when they are walking through the mall and see one or two random ps3s on the shelf, who is to say that they have that much disposable cash to make that kind of impulse purchase?

      people have come to terms with the ps3s unavailablity; they have no idea when and where the next shipment of ps3s will land. so if someone walks past a store and sees a ps3 that will definitely have to be an impulse purchase.
  • nebloof, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There are a lot of variables involved with the PS3 not selling. For me personally, I don't feel like putting down $500+ for a beta system that does not have many good games. But I WILL be getting one next year, assuming Sony didn't crash and burn, and the PS3 doesn't turn out to be a monumental failure.
    • Fearnight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Same here. I'm holding off because:
      1. I'm interested to see how the PS3 exclusives will pan out. At their current rate, many game developers may decide to dissolve their PS3-only exclusive.
      2. I'm interested to see how the Blue-ray format holds up over the next couple of months.
      3. I'm interested to see how Microsoft will respond with a possible price drop on the X360.
  • reaver84, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'm not completely surprised. I was returning some stuff at Bestbuy the other day when 2 people in front of me were in line waiting to return their PS3's. I asked why and they said that it was selling poorly on eBay. At least people that bought the Wii actually wanted to play it.
  • selfdisplaced, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11you people who keep posting links to PS3 over $1,000 dollars do realise they are bundled with like 2 extra controllers and like 5 games?
  • Eleo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This isn't entirely accurate... Some of them are selling for over MSRP (even ones without extras).

    I am enjoying watching some sell for $50+ under MSRP. I saw one one bundled with a game go for $590. Pretty humorous. What was the point of people camping out when they could get one for less than retail a few weeks later?
  • johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4What's interesting is that I've been making more money buying/selling Wii's than PS3's. Usually on a Wii I can make anywhere from $200 - $350 profit, while on a PS3 I would barely break even.

    Of course, the last 2 Wii's I got I sold at cost to coworkers, but that's because I'm a sucker for the spirit of Giftmas.
  • matthall28, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2ugh im a PS3 scalper and a Wii fanboy... I just got a PS3 to sell, and it didn't even get sold. Oh well, time to try to sell it locally
  • Psicosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"When your recently launched product is being dumped at a loss, it's time to panic."

    I wouldn't go that far, I think it's safer to say that the re-sale market for PS3's are over-saturated at this moment and probably will be for the next few months (which by then will be too late, as Sony probably will have sorted it's laser issues).
  • EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You get a more accurate picture if you look at completed auctions (you need to be logged in).

    For example, from the last 50 PS3 auctions to close only 16 sold, 34 were not sold.
    4 of those unsold units received bids but did not meet the reserve.
    30 of those unsold units received 0 bids.

    That's right, 60% are not even receiving a single bid.






    • apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how many of the 30 unsold had high reserve prices? whats the point being the first bid on a sale where the reserve is set at $900?

      how many of the 30 unsold had suspicious listings? no one wants to end up paying $500+ on a empty ps3 box

      how many of the 30 unsold were new? if the console is already used and then set out for sale, why buy that one when you can bid on an unopened one easily?

      there are alot of factors involved in ebay auction trends. personally i believe that a lot of those that still wish to buy the ps3 and havent are just waiting til spring to buy them when there is more supply and more available games. alot of people gave up on ebay after seeing how high the prices were that first week or so. also, the random trickle of ps3's to retail and the news that more are on the way isnt helping the ebay market, either.
  • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Moonstone Yes I plan on getting a Wii also. Wii is a great system for casual gaming, but I'm going for the PS3 for nextgen. I never had a PS2 so I think of it as a good way to catch up on some of those games too. Plus I had an original Xbox and I don't like how Microsoft basically gave me the shaft once the 360 came out.
    • MaynardJK, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So if you had bought a PS2 you would be pissed at Sony for screwing you over with the PS3? That's some damn fine reasoning.
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@MaynardJK Well actually there are a lot of good games still coming out for the PS2. God of War II, Marvel Nemesis 2, Dawn of Mana , Shining Force, and Kung Fu Panda!! lol There are at least a dozen games coming out for the PS2 pretty quick that I know of that I'd like to try.
    • apoc06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1don't feel bad. the shafting i got from microsoft on my original xbox is the only reason i dont have an xbox360 in the entertainment center right now. i will give them a few more months and i will grab one hopefully when they drop their price.

      the ps2 was/ is a great system, and by the time you're ready to buy a ps3 backwards compatibility will be close to 100% accurate. people like you will definitely clean up at yard sales. i expect more great games from the xbox360, but i just hope im not paying for another console that loses nearly all support within four years.
  • RiverBelow, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3The PS3 SUCKS. There isn't enough of them, they're overpriced, a stupid idea was the inclusion of BluRay drive, the online is complete garbage, not a headset, you can't communicate even by text, no friends list, and you cannot even invite friends to play your game.

    The whole system feels like a rushed piece of garbage, like Sony's idiotic idea of include rootkits in their media CD's.

    Then there's the fact that NOBODY is paying $500+ for something that is basically a beta, there are 0 good games out, and none planned. I doubt MGS4 and the next Final Fantasy and carry a $500+ system.

    Their marketing is terrible, they must have a bunch of three year olds marketing. I'm not buying a system that claims it's all about High Definition gaming, with the BluRay drive and Cell chip, but it doesn't even come with HDMI cables, you need to go drop another $40 on those, plus another extra $10 on each game over the 360's prices, which is like $20 over the Wii games.

    The Xbox 360 has better graphics on third party games, and Gears of War looks FAR better than any PS3 game, even Gears of War on standard definition looks better than a PS3's Resistance on an LCD HDTV.

    Which is another thing. The graphics are comparable to the Wii on a standard TV, so unless you're rich enough to have an incredible LCD HDTV lying around, the PS3 won't benefit you as far as graphics go in this case.

    Did I mention the online sucks? Oh yeah, I did. It does.

    There is no community. I can go to several forums or fansites and get support for games, talk about gaming, or find new online friends with Xbox games, but I'm yet to see anything develop like this for the Wii.

    And lastly...
    Halo 3, Gears of War, Gears of War sequels, Halo Wars, Mass Effect, BioShock, KOTOR III, Saints Row, GEARS OF EFFING WAR.
    • rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9How much were you paid to type that?
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Riverbelow Dude c'mon at least get your facts right before you post. Headset, your bluetooth headset will work with it, $40 HDMI try about $4. Comparable to Wii graphics?? There's about a dozen other fallacies in your statement. I got an idea how about actually check out the PS3 then come back when you at least know about it.
    • mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Gears of War came out at such a horrible time for Sony. If it wasn't around, Resistance would be the only recent good console shooter and the PS3 would look a lot better. As it is, it's the only good PS3 launch title and it's been completely overshadowed.

      I'm sure the timing was meticulously planned as a way for Microsoft to say "Look at us! The 360 is still next-gen! Really!" At which it succeeds admirably. This round looks like it'll be a complete coup by MS and Nintendo, with MS eating Sony's lunch and Nintendo selling a bunch of consoles to a lot of people who otherwise would never have bought one at all.
  • ryanmm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just saw a 60gig PS3 go for $610 with free shipping....yikes

    it makes me chuckle to see the "buy it now" prices at $2000 when the bidding is at $400
    I think...(Buy It Now Price) - (Selling Price) = # of tears
  • rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5In the uk those ps3's work out to be like £300-380

    that's like £100 less than the ***** retail price they will be here.

    Maybe i should grab one of these.
  • SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I don't know about you guys, but yesterday i was at Sunridge mall in calgary. Nintendo was set up in the mall showing off the Wii and had excite Truck running. I go down the hall and EB Games has motorstorm running on the PS3. I had to go back to the Wii kiosk to check, but Excite Truck actually looked BETTER than motorstorm. Admittedly i have no next gen console yet, i was waiting for the ps3 and wii to drop, but now i'm SERIOUSLY leaning towards a wii and a 360. The PS3 has been a launch letdown for me. Not too mention every EB Games i go in the PS3 is frozen in motorstorm.
    • macmcrae, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Motorstorm sux just as badly as excitetruck. What kills me is that motorstorm seems to bog down the ps3 gpu. Do yourself a favour and get a $600 desktop with a PCIe slot plus a $100 card and you will have much more fun.
    • jacksons98, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Excite Truck, looked better??? Your joking right?? Excite Truck read some reviews then get your vision checked. http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/excitetruck
      I haven't seen any games on the Wii yet that look any better than the games that are currently on Gamecube. But that's not the Wii's purpose. The Wii is really a slick box, but it's not Nextgen for graphics, even Nintendo admits that.
      Also keep in mind the demo on the Kiosks is a very early build this game is not out yet. Actually the kiosk demo isn't even as good as the demo available for download.
    • JimmyJJWalker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Blind people should not rate graphics.
    • SupaDawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Of course there is something to be said for the quality of display that EB Games uses (the stores PS2 looks horrid as does the 360) versus the high-end samsung displays that nintendo uses. But the point of the matter is that neither one blew one or the other away. Both offered a graphical demonstration that i've seen elsewhere, and fanboy it up all you want, but they both looked very similar. Gameplay-wise i didn't try either one (people that shop this week know why). But i can imagine i'd be much more entertained by the wii offering in terms of gameplay.... until my arm got tired anyways. :)
    • michaelb1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Dude. about your comment...No ***** WAY.

      I have a PSWii and MotorStorm looks waaaay better than Excite truck.

      They are both fun but come on. There is just no way you could say excitetruck looks better than MotoStorm.
    • velvet396, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1actually, the stores determine what displays they'll use for the games, if they don't buy a premade kiosk that is.

      target, best buy, wal-mart, all have displays that are integrated into their store's shelving. EB Games is the only store around me that actually gets dedicated kiosks.
  • attamars, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@Rodalli
    " I was in line for a Wii at a local Super Target early this past Sunday morning (I had one already but was buying for a family member for X-mas), and nearly everyone I spoke to in line was a parent trying to get one for their kid(s) or a former PS3 scalper looking to cash in on the boom in Wii interest. One couple were buying just to turn around and sell on eBay for a profit. I asked them if they had sold any PS3's and they told me they still have 3 PS3's sitting at home that they can't get rid of on eBay or otherwise. They were thinking of selling at a loss while they still can.

    Another guy I spoke to was in his early to mid 20's, he's been making a business out of eBay selling PS3's, Wii's and DS Lites online. He spun a tale of similar woe when questioned about the PS3 situation on eBay."


    Do you always get into peoples business while in lines? I hope I never end up in a line with you. I would so want to punch you in the face. Annoying.



    • heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You should really look into that rage problem you have, before you start a fight you can't finish.
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