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- stoitofardo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29Well..its supposed to be realistic right?
- NiteShok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24This story reminds me of one of the greatest things I've read online: The Great Scam.
http://www.mostlyharmful.net/the-great-scam.htm - RezSav, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Mash Potatoes! Gravy! Cranberry Sauce! WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
- Portwineboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Well, there is an allegation that the CCP employees were able to provide Tech 2 Blueprints to some of the members of their Corp./Alliance.
That's a big thing in the world of EVE. Given that Corps. fight over a finite amount of space, this could provide a huge advantage to Corps. that had CCP members. - hockey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13You mean there are dishonest people besides politicians!?!?
- ShardPhoenix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16There are Blizzard employees playing anonymously in WoW guilds too (by their own admission), but in both cases I doubt there was much cheating/favoritism going on.
- GloomyYardGnome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I don't really see what the big deal is. The thing that sets EVE apart from many MMORPGs is that the employees don't really care if you are selling credits or characters outside the game or if you are pirating other people. The game is self-regulating: the more money you make, the more of a target you are for your competitors. As we have seen in the past, massive corporations have been taken down simply because it is a challenge for other players to do so. The whole game is basically an experiment in mixing MMOs and anarcho-capitalism. People solve their own problems, therefore, if the players don't want the employees playing with the rest of the populous, they just kill them.
- shredomatic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It has a very steep learning curve, and all of the action is in 0.0 space which most people never set foot in.
Once you get there though, it's a whole different game. - Clevinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11And realism is found in creating tech 2 blueprints from thin air? It's one thing to operate within the constraints of the game world, it's another to use GM commands.
- Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Cynical. But true :|
- BluesNews, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11As the proprietor of www.bluesnews.com, I have to ask why this is linked to a story that plainly states it is based on a story from my site? Digg's guidelines seem to specifically request submissions link to the original source.
I'd like to get "Dugg" as much as the next guy, and this is not the first time this has happened. Do I need to submit my own stories to get a fair shake? - villium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You cant compare EVE to WOW. In WOW when you die, you loose nothing, in EVE when you die you can loose hundreds, even thousands of hours of game play. EVE is a great game, I hold two accounts on CCP's servers but I haven't played in 4 months because of the slaughtering my alliance took from BOB. I was in Ascendant Frontier, an alliance more than twice the size of Band of Brothers. In my opinion the strongest in the game. Not because of numbers but because of the willingness for complete strangers to work with one another under the alliance banner. During those last days it was becoming more and more obvious that BoB had access to data and items that your average subscriber would never see. We were nearly 5000 strong compared to BoB's 1500. At the time i didn't want to believe the rumors of CCP's involvement with BOB but its kinda hard to overlook given the circumstances. It leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
EVE -Villium Ezeart/Realtime - NICU, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I think its a good sign - it would be bad if all CCP employees played WoW inseatad of EVE... It shows that they like their product and that they know what paying customers are going through. It would be different if they were exploiting or cheating, and I guess more details will come out eventually.
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oh man, thats what got me into playing eve, that stroy was very well written.
Does anyone know if the author has written anything since? - bigp3rm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Shouldn't you be watching a Friends rerun or something?
- Thelonius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't see why this is such a shock. Hello, human nature. Even if the employees are not directly cheating in the game, their being in the guild can benefit the rest. For example a MMORPG I was playing in the late 90s had employees in the guild. While those people didn't directly do anything to cheat in any way, they were programmers, we were programmers, We talked about our jobs, etc. so we had a fairly deep understanding about certain beneficial aspects of the game that the general population wouldn't know. It wasn't an intentional cheat, but there it was nevertheless.
- jdun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Eve is very different from the standard MMOG. It is a pure PvP system where you can deny other people resources. It is players driven content. In other words if the dev helped a corps, that corp will have a huge advantage over the others. If this happened in WoW the impact will be very limited but in the case of Eva it affect the whole player base.
The dev might even have helped in the destruction of the Titan which took 8 months from an enemy corp to build. If I were the corp that builds it I would be pissed. - TheDreadDiggerD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4People can't win real life either, and they hate being cheated. This is really no different.
- dgh1973, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was always struck by a level of corruption and favoritism in Eve, not necessarily involving the employees of CCP but with certain "golden" players as well. There was one particular guy who always managed to get himself on their news pages somehow, with multiple, different characters.
What pissed me off about him in particular was his criticism of the role playing techniques of a certain race early on in the game, followed by him switching to that same stereo typical style a year or so later. Yet never fail, this guy always seemed to somehow be in CCP's "spotlight". Those involved in the game probably know who I'm talking about. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The amount stolen in the story is pocket change compared to the latest ISB pyramid scheme.
- Legato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i don't know... i think this is rather alarmist news. either you can believe that ccp employees are playing the game and following the rules, or that they are playing the game for keeps and abusing their power. either way your going to have to cope with it. besides, ccp doesn't imply *THAT* many people. so even if you had a few bad apples in bob its not something insurmountable to face in combat.
regardless, with the recent and abrupt turn in our (interstellar alcohol conglomerate's) luck im not sure that we don't have our own employee angels :D
long live the RedSwarm!
long live IAC! - HaltingPoint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Heh, if you submitted your own stories you'd just get buried as spam. Don't you love the Digg hypocracy?
- caban, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2People comparing EVE to WoW or saying that this happens in all MMORPG's obviously don't have an understanding of how EVE differs from other games.
It's not a bunch of different servers but one big world, and there is consequences to loosing a ship or getting killed. The economics is quite on a different scale as well compared to your regular MMORPG. Did you hear of anyone making a scam worth $100 000 in real money in WoW?
If a dev got a nice equip or some extra gold WoW, the only players that would have to care about it is the ones that happen to be on the same server and got killed by that dev due to that extra equip. And that would cost him one minute of time...that's it.
And alliance politics in other MMORPG is nothing compared to the corporations strugge for space in EVE.
Sure it sucks in any game if there is not a level paying field and dev's is abusing their power, but in EVE it affects a lot of people in a way thats not possible in your regular leveling grind fests. - Bender4Pharoah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You need to ask Violent Acres. They seem to get on the front page a lot with really boring junk. (counting the minutes before their bots digg me down to -287)
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's a nice read and well written, but I don't believe it for a second
Don't mean to sound sound a pedantic geek, but just about every time he mentions a bit of equipment, weaponry, ships etc he does so inaccurately. I don't mean one or two small errors, I mean every single time - AlexMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From what I've hard, that 'great scam' was highly embelished upon and is actually relatively common in the game world. One thing you learn in EVE is that there are tons of people who have gigantic ego's and who love to stroke them, and seperating the 'real' good players from the people who just talk the talk is something you learn when playing the game with an accurately tuned ***** detector.
Still, a fun read. - CrossmenX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2CCP will eat their own. BoB will be hated further. Life continues. Dug cause it's EVE news. But until the full story comes out keep in mind there is a metric ton of speculation floating around. Crossmen X - Phantom Regiment
- TheDreadDiggerD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no, there are politicians and then there are politicians unable to get elected.
- spraguep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2One does not lead to the other.
- bigp3rm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This goes on in other MMOs. A wow developer had a large guild on a PVE server. Player Vs Environment server is much easier to level on because other players can not kill you. People that play on Player VS Player servers must invest more time and resources to advance in the game. Blizzard stated that they would never allow PVE to PVP character transfers. The server that this developer played on was having serious latency issues along with huge queues to log in. Keep in mind that every other person playing at the time was having the same problems. Blizzard allowed this guy and his entire guild to move to a less populated PVP server. When the community found out they slammed blizzards fourms and even flooded the company with phone calls. Shortly after blizzard said they would not allow any other PVE players to transfer to PVP.
So it happens in other games as well.. - CosmosGoddess, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Every single mmorpg, there is always someone who is corrupted and/or cheating.
- spudnic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There's nothing in wow you can do for an hour at a time once you've been playing it as long as you did eve
- FearMEiDEA, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I played EVE for a LONG time (1+ years). The only reason I left is that I did'nt have 4-5 hours at a time to play, I moved to WoW where I can play an hour and log off and there are no penalties.
Sucks that AF was who BoB took down. I was part of AF when I was in the game. I was with Dirty Deeds Corp. Hope they're still around and kicking ass. - Waterispoison, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It would have been cool if they instead gave those items to the people fighting BoB. Almost as if they were smuggling plans to some rebellion against the big bad empire.
- medecau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1once in a while i check some VIP char BIOs and nighfreeze seems to have been arroun since mid 2006 i think.
- b0lt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Villium
ASCN was a giant pushover alliance. A few months ago, when GoonSwarm was fighting D2 in XZH, ASCN pledged its help. When BoB made vague threats about Smoske based upon a 2 month old signature, ASCN withdrew. You essentially rejected any chances of an alliance with the goons, which could have saved you.
Edit: Also, stronger != better. ASCN was comprised almost completely of carebears. - greenrider, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Am I the only one who tried playing EVE and found it deathly boring? It reminded me of a graphical version of the Drug Wars game I used to play on my TI-83.
- sirmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was involved in a year long war against this "arguably most powerful alliance". In the end we lost but it's nice to know we were fighting against all odds.
For those that know. Presidio GODS - medecau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it doesn't seem to be the one or two pilots within a fleet but rather the ability to crash an lag opponents... these are probably the most argued by the opposing alliances against BOB.
- scrubking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is nothing wrong about developers playing their own game and being gods who do whatever they want IF, and that is the key, IF it is clear to all the gamers from the beginning that there are devs playing who can do whatever they want. The problem with Eve is apparently that there were no set rules for devs to go around doing whatever they wanted and thus it has gone awry.
- reqage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. ASCN had a bunch of older people from the military as Fleet Commanders who were made FC because of that reason alone. It doesn't mean that they are good at commanding. On top of that, it was over once Cyvok got the Titan destroyed (Steve) by trying to do a log off when he felt he was in trouble. Oh, he is also a thief. He had the alliance build him the biggest ship in the game, got it blown up, kept the isk, and let ASCN die. Now he has like 60 billion worth of in game money. Also, BoB is the alliance with the Developers in it... There was a lot of internal stuff that happened too. Such as having spy's who offline a ton of POS's for the enemy, corp thefts, and propaganda.
- Klaumbaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's still booring as hell.
me and friends called it the AFK game for a reason. - crcurran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1GameMaster: You open the door and enter the room successfully.
Player: was it a dangerous door? /shrug
GM: An alien being confronts you that is far more advanced than yourself. You instantly know that they have control over all existence including yourself.
Player: WTF?
GM: What do you do?
Player: Screw this, Gary, I'm going to play xbox. - krayzie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think Blizzard employees have to play anonymously. In my guild we had a GM, but when the GM started revealing bits and pieces about what he/she does we linked it together and found out the player was a GM. When news of that spread over the server, the player told us Blizzard was forcing her to transfer to another server.
How accurate this is? I am not sure, but that is just want the story is. - AlexMax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're not the only one to notice. See my post about playing the game with a finely tuned ***** detector, but yeah, some people are just really good at marketing themselves.
- SourWorm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha, freaking awesome ... is there any truth to that?
- Popperian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Eve corruption thing is definitely real.
I just witnessed a GM user insta-gagging/banning simply because the most powerful alliance in the game (packed full of Eve/CCP employees) had a player who asked for it.
It's sad because it's a nice game, but the GMs definitely are players and they are corrupt. I think a lot of it might have something to do with the selling online of "ISK" the game currency on eBay/etc.
Something is definitely going on at that company that isn't right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Are we really playing on fair grounds?
Of course not. Just look at what happened to the MMORPGs now. Typically there is a huge black market of players selling items and gold on ebay. Usually the people selling these items are from china. There is no fun in that. 10 years ago it was never like this. I'll never play an MMORPG that has players selling item/gold on ebay, simply a waste of time. - aywwts4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The thing about eve is... You really can win, the entire (high level) game is player vs player, The alliance in question is a superpower, it controls a ridiculous amount of space. This isnt WOW, there are only so many places to go, only so many resources, and if someone kills you, the results can actually be quite devastating and set you back weeks.
These tech2 blueprints for massive ships are used to completely beat other groups of players into submission.
Winning the war, owning most of the space, If that cant be seen as "Victory" I don't know what can.
... Other than maybe owning All of space, but I'm sure they are working on that. - Spamiclese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I played on a really popular Ultima Online shard and this sort of thing happened. It is utter ***** to spend a year playing a game on someone's server, only to have the server administrators come after you with their player accounts and kill you. They had two guilds made up of admins, and they totally kept anyone from getting the best items/equipment in the game by killing them before they could complete the boss fights. Epic gayness indeed.
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