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- magus_melchior, on 11/06/2007, -0/+55Now just sit back and wait until a certain Florida lawyer starts going ape on ESRB...
- cyclopssmiley, on 11/06/2007, -1/+30Jack Thompson is crying himself to sleep now.
- Neuticals, on 11/04/2007, -2/+18Hell yeah! I'm an ADULT and should be able to play ADULT games!
Hacks = Good - peterinjapan, on 11/05/2007, -0/+11Game that hides violent content = not so bad, this is America after all
Game that has sex in it = OMFG THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Welcome to America. You can knife a hooker and steal her money, which none of us will hopefully ever do in real life, but if you have any kind of content about sex, watch out. And I should know. - HullCrushDepth, on 11/06/2007, -1/+11Please government... please save us from ourselves.
- cbuddha42, on 11/04/2007, -0/+6Yes but many here don't want the ESRB given the legal power to play mommy and daddy. It is bad enough that they effectively can kill console games because manufacturers don't want AO games on their consoles. If parents don't want their kid playing M or AO games then don't buy them. Hell some T game where the point is to shoot everyone in the face the graphics are just a little lacking is probably worse for you kid than a game with topless women, but the latter would get rated AO. Most 12 year olds don't have a lot of their own money and these things are expensive, so it shouldn't be hard for parents to control.
Furthermore parents should be paying attention to what their kids are playing and both the ESRB rating on the back and the web are excellent ways for them to educate themselves about what is in the game. Finally all modern consoles include content locks to prevent games above a certain rating from being played. Thus, parents can rest easy that their kid can not borrow/steal and copy and play it while they're out shopping. It would be good if consoles allowed game by game exceptions to these rules so parents could ok a specific game, but we are probably getting there and for now the rule can simply be "No Jimmy you can only play the uber violent game when I'm home to enable it and watch to make sure you are understanding it is fictional. And no, I won't turn it on when Timmy is over; his mother doesn't approve." - newJxE, on 11/06/2007, -1/+7No one's getting fired anymore
- RunawayElf, on 11/03/2007, -2/+8I refuse to respect a digger who holds no respect for free speech as a whole.
Free speech does not mean allowing only what you think is OK to say to be said. It does not mean government controlled censors deciding what you can hear or see. Dugg down. - volacide, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Yeah but I don't know if it's just me, I still don't have any care in the world to even look into Manhunt 2. There are so many better games out there or games that will be coming out this month.
- Crazymaniacc, on 11/04/2007, -1/+6I think it's mostly part of the huge marketing stunt from Rockstart, again Manhunt 2 reaches front page. There is not a single soul on the internets that hasn't heard about Manhunt 2.
- mrfreeziexp, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5Until he realizes that he can sue them and get thrust into the spotlight, especially after all the "concerned" media outlets. They'll eat it up with a spoon.
- KSUdesigner, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Then do your own job as a parent properly. YOU control what your child can or can not play, not the government. Why is it so hard for you to forbid your child from playing the game? What happened to grounding them and/or disciplining them if they disobey your rules? It is YOUR job to control these things in your child's life, NOT the government's. You and nobody else has the ability to instill good morals and ethics in your child. It isn't right for a retailer to be "at fault" and have to pay for your utter lack of parenting skills if your child goes out and kills somebody because they played a video game (which I find hard to believe that a video game alone could even cause this action). Do your ***** job and raise your chldren properly.
- clothmonkey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Color me cynical, but I think they may have been counting on that. Controversy sells.
- aspec, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4The ESRB isn't pointless, it's really the only means of industry regulation that doesn't end up in government control. By the industry's ability to say "We can regulate our own content," you prevent people like Joe Lieberman from telling you that you should only be allowed to play tetris. The MPAA does the same thing.
- Abomonog, on 11/04/2007, -1/+5Pity Rockstar is against modding. It's the mods that most often make the game.
- JudgeMonkey, on 11/06/2007, -1/+5Also, it was a cheat device that enabled it... so sue them. Or better yet, no one. Thank heaven the ESRB actually might have some brains after all. Not much of course, let's not get carried away.
- grumbel, on 11/03/2007, -1/+5What is the difference to Hot Coffee? That was a cheat/hack as well and not available via any normal means, yet it got AO.
- clothmonkey, on 11/03/2007, -0/+4"But think of the children!"
What crap. It's the duty of the parents to control what their children buy and play. It is NOT the government's job to play nanny, and the ESRB does work well for describing the type of content available in each video game. As long as parents are provided with the information about the game, the industry is blameless. - positron, on 11/05/2007, -0/+4There is no legal authority backing the ESRB ratings system. It is a purely voluntary program setup between publishers and retailers. In addition, there never will be any legitimate game ratings system that is backed by law because it would a violation of constitutional protections against censorship.
- KSUdesigner, on 11/03/2007, -0/+4"Do you honestly think that parents are with their children all the time?"
But the government should be with our children all the time? The government places age restrictions on things like cigarettes and alcohol because they are directly related to causing harm to you or another person. A child cannot fully comprehend the fact that cigarettes can and will cause serious health problems. Nor do they understand how to control themselves while drinking alcohol. Tell me, exactly what kind of harm do video games like these cause? If you, as a parent, have done your job properly, your child will have good morals and ethics and understand that the types of things being done in these games are not in any way appropriate in real life.
This is not an issue of government intervention, it is an issue of parenting skills. - FinestCall, on 11/03/2007, -0/+3"Hopefully this will help quell the digg flames that have been raging the past few days over this."
`ohh no it wont :D - Asianwaste, on 11/03/2007, -1/+4Meh... too bad Manhunt 2 isn't that good of a game according to reviews.
- phantomcrawl, on 11/04/2007, -1/+4isn't he barred for uploading gay porn into the court public systems?
- offspring06, on 11/03/2007, -1/+4I was going to pass on this game but now that there are people who want this game banned I think I'll buy it for spite.
- KSUdesigner, on 11/03/2007, -1/+3Not technically, but the retailers are afraid of them.
- hockey, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2Whoops. Misstype there:
As a consumer I have the freedom to choose to purchase it or not.
Personally I think it was planned.
Step 1: Make a sub-par game but get it initially rated AO and cause an uproar over censorship.
Step 2:Tone it down to an "M" rating and have people buy it to "spite the man" and show support for "free speech".
Step 3: Profit.
Rockstar wins. - magamiako, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately none of them do it as the cashiers are forced by their jobs and businesses through codes of conduct to not sell it. So while there is no legal penalty for doing so whatsoever, someone who is scraping by on $7/hour is not going to risk losing their job just so some little kid can play video games.
You're screwed either way. - hockey, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2American didn't threaten to ban it. However other countries did. . . .
- shredswithpiks, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2if by cheat you mean hack....
- Dreamtwister, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2Was I the only one that thought this title meant that ESRB was endorsing the upcoming Rockstar game from Harmonix saying its "off the hook!"? (as in awesome!).
- thedharmabum, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Open your frigging eyes and read past the first line. He's pissed off that Wal-mart is dictating what he's allowed to purchase, and nobody seems interested in stopping it. The "government regulation" he's talking about is that they should protect your constitutional rights by stopping retailers from using a moral code to decide what the public is allowed to buy. He's on the same side you are. Now, who's pathetic?
- solid12345, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Yes i'm sure Rockstar would rather you pirate the hacked ISO than buy the unhacked game genius.
- gamerzworld, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1The Wiimote can turn into a knife? OMG!
Satire aside, In Red Steel you have a sward...and you kill people with it using the Wiimote....but it's only rated T! - inactive, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2No, the files in the GTA titles were commented by developers working on the title, not to help you. It was just convenient for modders that these didn't get tucked into the game files which were compiled.
- EvilWalksWithMe, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2That explains why the files requring 'modding' in san andreas had instructions as to what certain changes would do to the game right?
- KamikazeeDriver, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1. . . . curled up in a fetal position, sucking his thumb.
- inactive, on 11/03/2007, -2/+3No, the ESRB is merely an advisory body. There is no law that states you have to be over a certain age to buy an AO or M rated game in the USA. A child of five or six years old can currently walk into GameStop and buy this game without committing an offence and the retailer can sell it without worry of being prosecuted either.
- ducksauce001, on 11/03/2007, -1/+2I understand that the rating system is supposed to guide parents/consumers about the content of the game. What is the difference to a minor if it's rated "adult" or "M"? They minors still cannot purchase the game without an adult either way. I really think parents should start doing more parenting rather than blaming on other people. Use common sense! Look at the cover, look at the title of the game before buying! Do you think a picture of a frightened looking eye with a title "Manhunt 2" is appropriate for your children? I just think it's stupid how some parents are blaming the game for violence. It's like blaming fast food joint for getting your kids fat. Maybe children should start blaming porns for its sexual stimulation which brings the kids to this world.
- gamerzworld, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Rockstar isn't against modding.
- lektroo, on 11/03/2007, -2/+3It's a frikkin' game. I'm an adult and sometimes games help me take out frustrations. What if I was playing Sims 2 and locked someone in the bathroom to drown in their own piss? No one's talking about that. And as for Rockstar, Table Tennis was a very violent game. People need to separate fantasy from reality, it's part of growing up and/or maturing. You neiltc13, are a moran.
- j3rm1981, on 11/04/2007, -1/+2Two things: 1) To Jack Thompson, "In your FACE, space coyote!"; and 2) scandals can have sequels?
- Ryosen, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Maybe there's a higher profit margin on DVDs?
- CyberSkull, on 11/06/2007, -0/+1I don't really think of the people who made changes to the game as hackers, but just as modders.
- hockey, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1I'm the submitter so I guess you are referring to me.
I'm not against free speech nor have I ever been. Rockstar can make whatever they want however they want. I've only held to one argument and I'll continue to hold to it which is simply this. No one forced Rockstar to censor their game. They choose to censor it themselves. Rockstar got an AO rating and Rockstar chose of their own freewill to tone it down.
Again as a developer Rockstar has the freedom to make whatever they want. As a consumer I have the consumer to choose to purchase it or not.
It's as simple as that. - Nekura20x6, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1This is exactly the same as Hot Coffee (content left in game becomes viewable because of third-party hack). Why are they off they hook for this and not that? It is just because this is "violence" and that was "sex"? I know some of this is ESRB covering their collective asses, but I really don't understand the difference here.
- Ryosen, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Ok, now, see, you're just being silly. A 5 year old child cannot walk into GameStop and buy Manhunt2. Where is this kindergartner going to come up with the cash? Why would he choose Manhunt over Mario Galaxy or Hello Kitty Island Adventure? How's he even going to get to the mall when he can't reach the gas pedal of his mom's SUV?
See? I can be just as ridiculous as you. - Shaflugi, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Adult games are pornographic. As far as I know, Manhunt 2 doesn't have any porn.. I HOPE.
- Ryosen, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1The difference is that this came to light far too late in the annual US election cycle for the politicians to jump on the bandwagon and start waving their fists in the air as part of their election campaigns. All that we're left with is the specter of Jack Thompson and some tool named "neiltc13" who apparently feels very strongly that the only way to address the problems of this world is to introduce yet even more controlling legislation, thus freeing him further from the dangers of parental responsibility.
- DeathDefi, on 11/04/2007, -0/+1Okay, I'm going to go on a little rant right now since I work at Target (in electronics) and have some information from one of Target's stores. Apparently, our Target store was given a memo stating that we will receive Manhunt 2, however we will not be allowed to sale it and must return it back to the warehouse because of "Graphic Violence." So far I do not know if all Target stores and doing this.
Now here is my small rant, I do not understand Target's logic behind pulling Manhunt 2 from the store shelves. After all, we will gladly let you purchase Saw, Saw II, Saw III, and Hostel. All of them being the Unrated edition and yet Target trembles at Manhunt 2 because of "Graphic Violence?" The only cause I could think of could be manifested through Target's shareholders and partners, threating Target to pull out of their stocks if Manhunt 2 was sold....
Hypocrisy at it's finest! - Ryosen, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1let's carry your scenario to its logical conclusion. The Government, arriving in the nick of time to save us from ourselves (and "The Children"®), outlaw the sale of those mean, nasty video games to anyone under the age of 18. Stripped of his livelihood and the dubious manner in which he tried to make his sales, our hapless retailer, referred to hereafter as "The Merchant of DEATH", is left with no alternative but to find another source of income.
Namely, crack cocaine.
I am horrified, neiltc13, HORRIFIED!, that you would condone the selling of crack cocaine to our country's children just so you can feel better about your own failings at parental responsibility. -
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