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- karuberutsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44Dugg and emailed the *****. Why must people suck so much?
... can an email get the digg effect? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34What's a "newspaper"?
- latova, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28The toronto sun IS a garbage paper, nobody I know gets it. I read about it in the star, and games were barely mentioned at all in the issue I got.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Since there's no proven link between the two, the paper headline should really have been 'Video game killer?'. Then they wouldn't be *saying*, they'd just be *asking*.
Anyhoo, I'll e-mail the letter too, even though I'm not from Canada, because this kind of sensationalist journalism is ridiculous wherever it occurs. - shikirocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Truly it is nothing but immature garbage. Even respectable Canadians don't read that paper.
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Video games didn't do it. Clearly it was Goth Myspace:
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canada/2006/09/17/1852400-sun.html - SPLASTiK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24"... can an email get the digg effect?"
It seems Ted Steven's tubes are always clogged. - twtmc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21Ya, the Toronto Sun is like 99% *****. In all the articles I read in BC's newspaper The Province, video games were only mentioned in the sense that "Oh coarse, some will blame video games for this"
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14@ birkoph
a "newspaper" is a form or primitive media that people hide behind on the train to work. - wulfflower, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I truely hope no one here sends a letter/email along the lines of....
OMG WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU IDIOTS YOU DESERVE TO DIE!!!!1!! OMG!
Please... I really hope not. Send something that doesnt make things worse for us all. - drunkendash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Dugg for the Daily Show reference =)
- aywwts4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Do not buy the Toronto Sun -
Done.
Now its up to every digg reading, video gamer who gets his news from a supermarket newspaper to continue this embargo. I'm sure we are pretty much The Sun's target demographic too.
(Note, this is sarcasm) - jatlasb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Okay, the Sun is about as respectable as the National Enquirer. It's a tabloid. They make stupid gaudy headlines in the hopes that SOMEBODY will be dumb enough to read it. This is the kind of paper that puts up a picture of Godzilla with the caption "Tokyo's new Bioweapon?"
Get real, anybody who takes this paper seriously has bigger problems than video games. - affanjam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Hey everybody love the sunshine girls in the back of the paper.
- lefrat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Permalink for the blog post: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-24696389&user=jimmycanuck
- sprintmarathon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The Toronto Sun is a blue collar rag that presents material at a grade four reading level.Their approach to journalism is bombastic and sensationalist: asserting arguments that would only seem reasonable to people with a limited intellectual capacity and educational background. It seems pointless to me to wag your finger at them and expect a higher standard given the publications target demographic.
Come to think of it, the reason the Sun might want to diminish the appearance of gaming to its readers is because it sees itself in direct competition with the gaming industry for the attention of under-motivated and dim consumers. Oh, and homicidal maniacs too... - andrewguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8For people who need a quick link to the email: editor@tor.sunpub.com
- tride, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I still believe Marilyn Manson is at fault.
Seriously, I heard a quote on the news from a police officer in Montreal saying that he was "an isolated individual who had minimal exposure to anything but violent television and video games." not to mention the Internet through vampirefreaks.com.
I'm no psychologist but given his obvious mental illness you may have a different perception on reality if you surrounded your being in media violence. Someone should have been checking this guy's behavior, like his parents. Perhaps these are external signs of a problem.
Is the video game, or the Internet at fault? Hardly. - kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9white trash paper
- Kniggit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually there isn't a good Toronto paper to read at all. Think the Star is any better? It's pretty much the same sensationalism but on different topics.
Remember: newspapers generate money and will do anything to make that money. ANY of them. - ElectricGrandpa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Anyone who actually lives in Toronto knows that the Sun is the worst-of-the-worst of all Toronto papers. It's basically just a "tabloid"...
- pointblank187, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think that's part of the problem. Even if there was a correlation between video games and violence, correlation is not causation.
- bouche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4personally, the photo itself was WRONG. it helped glorify the arsehole to other disturbed individuals out there. Imagine being a family member of the girl who was killed and seeing that evil guy pointing a gun on every newsstand!
They ran the same cover in Ottawa with a different headline...and it was actually pulled and replaced before noon.
I'm glad someone took the time to write a shared letter, but I will certainly add my 2 cents about the photo chosen as well. - Quash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3People neglect to mention the most disturbing piece about the Sun: it is a very politically conservative paper, trying to convince working poor people that the government shouldn't support the working poor. The Sun speaks down to its readers, assuming they're stupid by treating them as if they're stupid, with low grade level writing (often filled with spelling mistakes and grammatical errors) and insulting content and story angles.
Insult the readers of the Sun all you want - that misses the point. It's the editorial control of the Sun and its attempt to manipulate voters toward a conservative agenda that is what people really need to watch out for. - Etheo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd call games and internets spurious variables in a correlation. The guy is already imbalanced, and he just happen to like playing those games because it fits his desires. Does that mean he won't go on a killing spree without those games? Hardly. It's just a coinciding factor between his mind and the outcome.
- swazo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I phoned her, but I got the voice mail. I assume countless others are doing the same.
The message I left was along the lines of :
Hello,
Whether you listen to this or not, I don't really care:
In regards to your article, "Stay home, you freaks!"
You really should learn more about the culture before making such large attacks. "Freaks". You call them freaks as if they are the scum of the world. Do you honestly wonder what makes these kids tick and explode in such violent manners? The two kids from the Columbine attacks did what they did because of constant harassment and teasing, they were also referred to as "freaks". In regards to the columbine attack, I blame it not only on the boys who took things too far, but on people like you who feel a need to cut these people with your tongue.
The Montreal attacks are incredibly tragic and we should all take our moments to grieve. How can you go out of your way to blame this on video games? Are you that incompetent? Before you start talking out of your ass, try regaining some Journalistic Integrity, as impossible as that may sound. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"The Toronto Sun" is and has always been a joke! They're the only newspaper that I know of, that has a section dedicated to "Girls". I mean the only reason people buy their BS of a paper is to probably oggle the sunshine girl (basically a daily foldout of a skantly clad girl).
I wouldn't take anything they publish seriously, let alone - one columnist even wrote an article on his blog saying that he knew his career was at a standstill when he began writing for the Sun. There also one of the only newspaper to carry headlines "Women gives birth to 3 headed goat". - masonreloaded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No. You're wrong. The Sun from England is a "tabloid" but the term in England only really refers to the layout and less formal writing - it is still a respectable(ish) paper that doesn't (blatantly) make ***** up. The only paper in England that is like an american "tabloid" is the Daily Sport - which does indeed run reports about Elvis and the Loch Ness monster being found in bed together...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The romans used to bring in live jungle animals from Africa to maul people as entertainment for the masses. They got the idea from a video game, obviously.
- 1310nm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just stop validating these tool's writings by launching disingenuous boycott campaigns that you know won't gain footing anyway. Anyone who writes anything relating to people killing each other due to video game induced psychosis should not be given a reason to do it again (read: actually wasting brain cells reading the garbage).
- right-h.man, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i don't comment much but this is a good article on digg
i'm a long time sun reader but as of today i'm going to stop until they make some changes
its very sad that this has happened - i will probably switch over to the national post - canrocks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sheila Copps, what are you doing working for them? WHATT??
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Copps_Sheila/ - teddyrux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dugg.
RIP Anastasia DeSousa - bluemeep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why, this paper looks to be as high calibur and hard hitting as the Weekly World News. Oh, that Bat Boy... What hijinks will he have next?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Then I've learned something today! Thank you. Still, the below quote has no bearing whatsoever on the Toronto Sun newspaper.
"Okay, the Sun is about as respectable as the National Enquirer. It's a tabloid. They make stupid gaudy headlines in the hopes that SOMEBODY will be dumb enough to read it. This is the kind of paper that puts up a picture of Godzilla with the caption "Tokyo's new Bioweapon?"" - J1X1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It doesn't matter if anything will come of it. It is a claim based off of no scientific fact. There is no evidence to suggest that video games cause violence. Publishing this article will draw even more criticism towards the industry. All this is slander, probably written so people will even look at the crappy paper.
- Nick22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2hmm.. i wonder if anyone ever stops and thinks Hey, maybe these guys play violent video games because oh i dono..THEYRE VIOLENT? durr. Not the other way around.
- strangehold, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ sprintmarathon.
I replied to the digg article in the same context as it was presented, which is video games and its association with the Montreal shooter.
Asking me a pointed question about Mr. Gill's access to guns isn't something that I believe I could answer in the near future. Police are still asking themselves that in their investigation. If you want to talk about that, I suggest another forum which I would be happy to participate in.
As for the angle being "soft", I encourage you to pour over Mr. Gill's blog postings, all 20 pages of them, like I have, and try to avoid a video game reference in any of them. Like it or not, video games were a major part of Mr. Gill's life and it is something we need to look at when examining the reasons why he decided to do what he did. - wbsiii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nuvem: violent video game play causing aggressive cognitions, aggressive behavior, and aggressive affect has been replicated time and time again in experimental settings. Anderson and Bushman (2001) have a good metaanalytic review:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11554666&dopt=Citation
if your point is that the longitudinal study results correlating violent media habits (among other factors) to violent behavior does not imply causation as a result of the nature of correlational study design, i would reply that the mantra "correlation is not causation" is a good way to understand the limitations of correlational design, but in reality where we have ethical and logistical considerations and cannot control all confounding variables, using the corroborating results of longitudinal, correlational, and experimental studies does give supporting evidence to a causal effect. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You're thinking of "The Sun" newspaper from England. We're talking about "The Toronto Sun" newspaper from Canada. It is not a tabloid, it is a real newspaper that covers real events.
It's also only $0.50, written for a grade 8 reading level (grade 4 someone said, that's just ridiculous) and they use very catchy sometimes over the top headlines to get people to buy their newspaper. It is aimed at the blue collar segment of society (hence the 50 cents). My guess is they'll make it free soon enough on weekdays, like The Metro and 24. - CDRutledge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1His editorial is really weak. Although I think what the Toronto Sun's headline was about as tasteless as the title for the "Super Columbine Massacre RPG." If you want someone to respect what you have to say then maybe you should use a better title.
The creators of "Super Columbine Massacre RPG" really have some explaining to do about that title. - n8dawg87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for those who aren't from the States and may not know what level the Toronto Sun is on, its pretty much the equivalent of your Fox News.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Don't insult blue collars, people that read that ***** are so stupid they would have had to study and practice being stupid. My elected officials come to mind.
- sprintmarathon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1But digg for your post none-the-less :)
Your article was way better. - matokwdd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1SUN sucks, the STAR always has an agenda... the only paper in Canda worth reading is the Globe & Mail
- emjaymj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2what male adolescent DOESNT play violent video games, ESPECIALLY somebody who would do something sick like this? doesnt it make about 100 times more sense that a person with such violent tendencies would naturally just be drawn to more violent video games?
- eMuleDude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That paper has always been more about tabloid style news than real news. It's a right wing rag that has never had much credibility.
- xtremesniper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Toronto Sun is not a newspaper. It's a tabloid that calls itself a newspaper. I never buy the Sun and I never will buy the Sun.
Read a real newspaper like the Toronto Star or The Globe and Mail. - Oogler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Sun is a total rag in every sense.
- hobnob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2nahhh, Alana is actually pretty damn sexy
lemme guess, seeing a chick's rib cage = that's hot ? -
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