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DirectX 11 detailed; Vista and DX 10 / 10.1 hardware support

joystiq.com — At its GamesFest event in Redmond today, Microsoft shared the first details of DirectX 11 – the numerically superior successor to DirectX 10.1 – which will feature full support for Windows Vista, as well as future versions of the popular operating system. Worried about hardware? DirectX 11 won't just ignore your fancy DirectX 10 or 10.1 cards – nop

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  • drfnord, on 07/22/2008, -32/+14I still don't see there being any good reason for DirectX 10, let alone 11. Just about every game is targeted towards DirectX 9, since that's what the 360 supports, and I don't see developers spending the extra time to pretty up games for new hardware that very few people will have.
    • RAGEdemon, on 07/24/2008, -12/+5Exactly.

      "Windows Vista" "Popular Operating System"?! WTF?

      Dang the writer is deep up Microsoft's arse.
  • amenic, on 07/22/2008, -8/+86Hardware is fine guys - lets work on the gameplay now kthanks.
    • terencec, on 07/24/2008, -4/+17ditto what you said, i dont care how nice it looks just make a good game
      • dandonia, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1Can you imagine if they had said that like 20 years ago - you guys are idiots. Developers make great games all the time - we still need to see increases in technology or platforms become stale. Imagine if the graphics stay the same as they are forever and the physics stayed the same - how would you get excited about anything.

        Star Wars: Force Unleashed is eagerly anticipated not because of it's starwars name but because the developers are testing new technology.
      • terencec, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Think about it though, with the costs going into the technology development rather than the story/gameplay. Sure there are great games which look great and play great such as MGS4, or Halo 3, but also consider games like Haze
    • soot, on 07/24/2008, -4/+41Hey check out our new FPS its set in AFRICA jesus christ mother of god that's like 8 billion square miles of terrain for you to explore and drive around in a jeep setting ***** desert brush and brown people on fire holy ***** ***** isn't that sweet okay so our last game didnt deliver but this one will we swear because it uses this fancy new ***** shader tech that i can't even pronounce right anyway dont worry about the gameplay there will be like thirty guns so its gonna be AAA material oh yeah you need a quad core and SLI to run it but its worth it seriously goddamn
      • JDiZZle300Z, on 07/24/2008, -1/+10Yeah, but don't you understand? This has to happen so that we can one day game on a holo-deck. :)
      • phrstbrn, on 07/24/2008, -1/+15@soot
        I give you one free internet.
        http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/WmV337/1_fr ...
      • amenic, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6B-b-but you can even see the sweat dripping off my chin and light refraction at every possible angle and if the wind is blowing at greater than 35 mph, it will even accurately be blown away and realistically interact with the world environment!

        Methinks these guys are really missing the point of a game...
      • Chordonblue, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Doom needs VGA AND a Sound Blaster?! *****! I just got EGA man! Who the hell needs more than 16 colors and beeper sound anyway? That's ***** dudes, I'm goin back to my NES...

        Different time, same story...
    • werries, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5*sigh*
      New API's are usually improved and less buggy and will actually decrease the amount of work needed to be put into a solid graphics system, this will allow good graphics to be an easier accomplishment in games, allowing for more time spent with story and gameplay bugs to be worked out after the graphics and physics and sound are fully fleshed.
    • kestrel7e7, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Can we please have an AI API now Microsoft?
  • chris062689, on 07/23/2008, -20/+12There wasn't that much of a difference between DX9 and DX10.
    That's why I'm still on XP.
  • fokov, on 07/24/2008, -13/+4"DirectX 11 won't just ignore your fancy DirectX 10 or 10.1 cards – nop" OK WTF is with the description? It won't JUST ignore your fancy DX 10 ......I figured the fanboy BS would was concluding that DX11 would in fact ignore DX11 hardware....what a let down. "Just" learn the definition.
    • NecroDigg, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Are you retarded? it means DX11 works on DX10 hardware.
  • Lancelot9201, on 07/24/2008, -17/+9Quote:
    "As well as future versions of the popular operating system".

    Are They Kidding, do they expect us to now believe that Vista is a popular operating system.
    Just because you force feed over 100 million copies, via OEM installs, doesn't make it
    popular.. Just makes me laugh..
    • nullx42, on 07/24/2008, -2/+15Air: the popular respiratory substance.
    • Gman1223, on 07/24/2008, -12/+25Hey, I really don't get the Vista bashing.

      I'm running Vista Ultimate on my computer, which consists of 512MB ram and a 2.8GHz P4. It runs no slower than a modern Linux distro.

      I like Vista much better than XP, too.

      Go ahead, Digg me down for my opinion.
      • thefezman, on 07/24/2008, -12/+6As if Vista Ultimate would run well on 1GB of Ram, what, did you disable every last feature in the GUI?
      • Gman1223, on 07/24/2008, -5/+10"As if Vista Ultimate would run well on 1GB of Ram, what, did you disable every last feature in the GUI?"

        I run full Areo, I have not disabled anything out of my install. I didn't say it was as speedy as XP, but it is very comparable to a modern Linux distro in speed. And about as comparable to an install of XP that is 6 months old, but well maintained.

        If you guys don't believe me, I'd be happy to provide you with a screenshot of my Desktop.
      • Gman1223, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5198/vistaau0.png

        That's my desktop, and I detailed all my PC specs too. I also played Crysis demo on this PC. But, that was kind of painful.
      • EvilFerret, on 07/24/2008, -0/+1Why don't you upgrade already? Hell you can buy 2GB of ram for about $100 these days. It's not as if you're running a old 1.2ghz rig that wouldn't be worth upgrading.
      • SteveMax, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Looks like he uses RD-RAM, in 4 sticks. He probably won't be able to find more than 512MB worth of that (I don't think there were RIMMs of over 128MB), and if he does it would cost more than a new computer.
      • Gman1223, on 07/25/2008, -1/+1A little late to reply, but meh.

        To upgrade the RAM in this PC to 1GB would cost $200. I could probably replace the motherboard and install normal ram for cheaper.

        The Motherboard was in made in 2002, in-fact, the whole PC was made in 2002. I've just added stuff that needed to be replaced as time went on. Like 5 CD Drives, 4 Video Cards, a few case fans and two PSU's. The only thing I bought to get ready for vista was a DVD-Drive. I guess I should upgrade the hardware, but I really don't have the money right now and I have better and more important things to worry about right now.

        I try to keep things clean as possible, mainly by not installing anything I don't need, I keep my startup clean, and I try to maintain it to the point. You might have seen that I was using AIM in the screenshot, well, I almost never use it because it runs like a pig. The other program that's currently giving me issues is Firefox 3.
  • starkes, on 07/24/2008, -15/+28it only took 2 opengl's to get this far
    • Squeeself, on 07/24/2008, -1/+9Have you SEEN how many glExtensions there are?
      • Shaflugi, on 07/24/2008, -9/+3But you don't need a new video card for each extension like you do for each new version of DirectX!
      • estvir, on 07/24/2008, -2/+6You do need need a new video card for every version of DX and DX10 and 10.1 compatible video cards will work with DX11.
      • Dustmuffins, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3they will, but they won't have all the dx11 features.
    • GlitchEnzo, on 07/24/2008, -1/+3Not even comparable. DirectX includes graphics, sound, networking, input, etc.

      OpenGL only does graphics.
  • CColtManM, on 07/24/2008, -3/+50That X sure is getting bigger.
  • Gogogo111, on 07/24/2008, -13/+32Wow these comments are ***** awful.
    • Ockniel, on 07/24/2008, -13/+3yeah, kind of this THIS ONE. Stupid. . . oh wait . . frik.
    • NecroDigg, on 07/24/2008, -4/+1what's wrong with them?
    • BugMeNot2, on 07/24/2008, -2/+7These "Wow, these comments are ***** awful" comments are getting old.
    • zateam, on 07/24/2008, -0/+7Welcome to Digg. Enjoy your stay.
  • tj111, on 07/24/2008, -4/+25With all this talk of Windows 7 and DirectX 11, I really need a grilled cuban sandwich right about now.
    • gradivus, on 07/24/2008, -2/+2God damn I love cubans. Its like a little slice of porky heaven fried with swiss on crunchy bread mana with the mustard blood of jesus.
  • crownedgriffin, on 07/24/2008, -2/+40Somehow, I still think DirectX 9 will be hanging around for a while longer.
    • ortucis, on 07/24/2008, -1/+9"He has a hunch called XP."

      - Captain Obvious
  • Ryvenn, on 07/24/2008, -9/+14FFS. DX10 and 10.1 still haven't really been used much and they're already rushing to make yet another gen of high end video cards obsolete!?

    I'm not too impressed by the gimmick "Slightly more powerful than what you already have... but with technology that means your current card is obsolete! Buy! Buy! Buy!"
    • estvir, on 07/24/2008, -3/+14Rushing? They're following the normal release timeframe as far as I'm aware.

      It seems like everyone on Digg, Reddit, etc only suddenly discovered the Internet, video games and technology as none of you seem to possess even the slightest knowledge going back over a year or two.

      Get off my lawn.
    • Ryvenn, on 07/24/2008, -2/+4Huh? DX 10.1 made DX 10 cards obsolete you know. The DX 10.1 generation has only just been released and already they are announcing that it's about to become obsolete.
      • Jhiaxuz, on 07/24/2008, -1/+5DX 10.1 is a mere extension of DX 10 and in no way made 10 obsolete. It merely gave graphic vendors more control over visuals and support for cube mapping. No big deal.

        DX11 is implementing standardized GPGPU and by all means this is a good thing.
  • Squeeself, on 07/24/2008, -8/+4Honestly, not sure what the big deal about 11 is...10 was pretty big upgrade with new shader type. 11? GPGPU we already have...guess it's nice to have built into DirectX so it's standardized (well, for windows at least). Honestly, not a huge deal on 11 from what I've seen. Might as well have called it 10.2 :P
  • amaranth, on 07/24/2008, -5/+18I hope that tying directX to Vista bites MS like it should. DX11 is just a marketing ploy to make folks feel like they're being left behind. I wanna see an API that isnt MS tied. Don't care if its OpenGL or something else. Platform independent computing is good for us.
    • Shaflugi, on 07/24/2008, -2/+7Seriously, why can't Microsoft make DirectX into an open standard or something, rather than making it Windows-only?
      • B1663r, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Then watch it get slowly integrated poorly into Linux? MS already tried that with mono, and the linux community hates mono, so meh.
    • amenic, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2Amen brother - SDL / OpenGL / AL is the way to go!
  • zarcu, on 07/24/2008, -4/+1This actually looks pretty good. I hope they don't screw this up.
  • annihilator675, on 07/24/2008, -6/+11WTF? They haven't finished--- er excuse me, even started to make games built for DX10. Why the hell did I pay for this 8800? You assholes, lol!
  • MadOgre, on 07/24/2008, -9/+28Unless it's available for WinXP, I don't give a *****.
    • petard, on 07/24/2008, -13/+7Microsoft and everyone else don't give a ***** that you don't give a *****. Stop complaining and get a computer that is capable of running Vista if you want the latest stuff (which Vista is).
    • estvir, on 07/24/2008, -7/+16You plan on using a than 9 year old OS in 2010 or so? Wow.
      • PJBovoNox, on 07/24/2008, -3/+3Yeah, he probably is. Like most people. It's not about the age, it's about the relevance.
      • estvir, on 07/24/2008, -4/+6Who cares how 'relevant' their software is? I care about how well it works, how current it is, etc. It'll be even worse if you're using XP on new hardware, especially so in ~ 2010. By the way, XP will be as 'relevant' in 2010 as 2000 is now.

        XP is a horrible OS, people should move on.
    • Smills, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6It looks like their next operating system is shaping up to be very good. You may not be sticking to XP when that comes out.
      • estvir, on 07/24/2008, -3/+3These morons will be saying "SAVE VISTA!" when Windows 7 comes out. They're a bunch of hypocrites.*

        * http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382
      • MadOgre, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2If it is actually good, sure, I'll use it. But it will have to be pretty damn good to beat what's out now in Linux or a well tuned XP or OSX...
      • daspacepirate, on 07/25/2008, -1/+2Vista was going to be pretty good too, until they started cutting features from it. Now it's moderately good at best.
    • amenic, on 07/24/2008, -0/+3Port Directx9 to Linux and let the uber consumers have their Dx10 and 11 proprietary style and I'll be in heaven :)
  • 1ncu3us, on 07/24/2008, -2/+2The mentioned features perked my ears. I was planning on moving to linux and abandoning windows completely, but methinks windows 7 might be my gaming platform of choice.
    • amenic, on 07/24/2008, -3/+2Did you know that Longhorn aka Vista, was in development supposed to be focused on gaming?

      Somewhere in the development cycle, they decided to shift gears and get in bed with big media instead of end-users.

      The end result? A DRM laden, bloated OS which actually performs WORSE than XP in terms of raw gaming performance.

      Not only that, but being that the OS was being built by Microsoft, why they could have a native tie in with Xbox live and allow PC and Console gamers to play together is absolutely beyond me.

      I mean in theory MS is in the best position to combat PC piracy with Live (now free) than any other corporation (maybe Valve is #2). Online authentication via key seems to be proven to be beyond successful. You cannot fake a key client side to authenticate with a server. Period.
  • Cryoniq, on 07/24/2008, -11/+15Who need it? I don't. OpenGL kick the frack out of DX any time. And a lot of developers gone over to OpenGL lately as well :P
    • GlitchEnzo, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2I used OpenGL for several years before trying out DirectX, and I must say that DirectX is much more powerful and is much easier to use.

      As I said before, they aren't really even comparable. DirectX is a game development SDK (meaning it includes graphics, sound, networking, and input) whereas OpenGL only does graphics.

      SDL vs DirectX would be a slightly better comparision. Too bad SDL is still stuck in game development styles from 10 years ago.
  • toytoyota, on 07/24/2008, -1/+9Good for Microsoft, and good for developers that make games that can barely run on pcs (I'm serious). They are doing their jobs. Nvidia and AMD need to make sure that AT LEAST their top of the line cards can easily play these games! I mean come on the GTX 280 is the third gen of graphics card since Crysis came out and the thing still can't play the game maxed out at 30 fps... Either Crysis is the most poorly optimized game ever or we need better hardware engineers out there. I hope if Intel tries out discrete graphics that they can add some competition for the sake of performance. When these cards cost more than the best consoles sometimes, they should be able to play any game.
    • Ellipsys, on 07/24/2008, -0/+12Crysis is the most poorly optimized game ever. I hear that the new "expansion", Crysis: Warhead (or something like that) is going to have a refined form of the engine that is much easier to run even on low end hardware.
  • Thoraxes, on 07/24/2008, -3/+2Ahh no, you need to look for the videos for the tessallation support, which looks awesome.
    Also, I like more power to the multiple core CPU's, especially considering I have a quad-core CPU.
    Hopefully this is an ACTUAL upgrade, and not the crap we got with DX10.
  • ortucis, on 07/24/2008, -6/+2What's the point? We are still going to get same old console ***** until the ULTIMATE BOX 360 is updated for DX11. Then MS can continue making money with ***** ports and ***** 'make you wanna pay' MP features for PC gamers.

    Go Indie developers.
    • petard, on 07/24/2008, -1/+6Games for Windows Live is now completely free - every single feature.
      • ortucis, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2OH THANK GOD.. FINALLY!! Now we can relax and not see the quality of games drop to ***** level.
    • gradivus, on 07/24/2008, -1/+1Too bad the 360 is killing PC games. Microsoft buys them up to release them for everything BUT windows. If I dont get GTA4 for PC Im going to go linux(and every one here knows how much I hate linux, hell,maybe I will get OSX and make a mac clone).
  • DestroyFascism, on 07/24/2008, -4/+4DX10 Beta 2?
  • gemlogger, on 07/24/2008, -2/+10X11. Sounds sort of familiar.
  • taseedorf, on 07/24/2008, -2/+3/etc
  • jellydoughnut21, on 07/24/2008, -2/+4I shall wait for windows 7 and DX11 to upgrade anything on my computer...wait...I think i said this before regarding vista and dx10 and that ***** never happened because it was all such a ***** bust....weird...
  • travist120, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Ah *****, it's going to be a while before WINE gets any taste of this.
  • Cherubim, on 07/24/2008, -10/+3DirectX is *****. Microsoft should scrap it completely and embrace OpenGL. Of course, that would require common sense - something the BABOONS at Microsoft know nothing about.
    • JorgeGT, on 07/24/2008, -1/+2[Citation needed]
    • Smills, on 07/24/2008, -2/+2Have you ever tried programming using DX and OGL? OGL is just terrible, it is much harder to do something simple in OGL than it is in DX.
  • ChileanGoD, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6At least they aren't going the same direction as they did with directX 9. You know... the directx 9.0, directX 9.0b, directX9.0c... and then the directx 9.0c gets monthly updates without you even fking knowing they were because it's always directx9.0c. There's a jungle of directx 9.0's out there to download.
  • RyomaNagare, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2Cool finally a new "Odd numbered" version of DirectX this one will surely work and constitute a new de-facto standard.
    as did DX5, 7 and 9 back in their day.
  • Ratteler, on 07/24/2008, -0/+6My amplifier is louder see, cause it goes to 11.
  • reconflux, on 07/24/2008, -0/+2If it can outperform in terms of frames per second vs. XP, I'll make the switch, otherwise I'm staying where I am.
    • HeavyWave, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1Actually Vista DO outfps XP as it has better resource management for applications. At least it does on my 2 computers.
  • spacebuddy, on 07/24/2008, -4/+3Windows XP is dead.
    • Jsnllnd, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2So is Windows Vista.
      ....
      Moving along..
  • shauncullen, on 07/25/2008, -0/+1Direct x 10 sucked... just like vista it demanded extra horse power for little benefit. What does Direct x 11 bring to the game that could possibly make it worthwhile? Unless it actually performs like 10 should of...
  • enderwiggen16, on 08/03/2008, -0/+0Not a lot of stalker fans huh.....
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