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Who Dugg It?

BraveLilToasta, on 07/19/2008, -6/+20***** the digg elite
DooM, on 07/19/2008, -3/+19Seriously - can we just implement the algorithm change that made Mr. Babyman cry like a.. er, baby - last time..? It is honestly stupidly ridiculous the way these douches game the system.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1Limit the number of submissions, and front page articles, and Diggs to some fixed amount.
  
  Digging every 20 seconds for hours on end seems a bit rediculous.
  
  And if you're insane and think somehow it isn't scripts... do it for his health.
BlankVerse, on 07/20/2008, -0/+14They have so many submissions I wonder if they are using bots, or perhaps it's a family or group of friends all doing submissions under a single user name.

It's the same thing with Yahoo! Buzz. I see the same names all the time.
BOFH2, on 07/20/2008, -7/+6Yeah i'm tired of the same people getting the FP all the time too but guess what? They have friends that digg them up. It is not like they submit a story and it hits the front page with 1 digg.
- DooM, on 07/20/2008, -0/+11That's what I mean - if the same people are digging you up every time those diggs ought to be worth a fraction of the weight of a digg from a total stranger who actually felt that your story was interesting. And isn't that the way it's supposed to be now..?? I would even say for it to show up in 'upcoming' should be pretty difficult and let's just get to who cares who submitted it as long as the bulk of Diggers like the story.
  
  These dbags and their friends get to determine what we see... kind of defeats the 'social' part of Digg... unless you're in their group, I guess.
  - BOFH2, on 07/20/2008, -9/+1So you had to play that card? Dude. Look at my profile if you want to know what I am doing and who my friends are. Is that how you get people to do what you want? You try and control them with innuendo? That is really sad.
  - DooM, on 07/20/2008, -2/+5Once more in English, please..? :) Seriously, I have no idea what you were trying to communicate there.
    
    -I'm- not trying to control ANYONE - I would like the exact opposite: a meritocracy where stories of MERIT made the front page, not an egocracy (made that one up, methinks) where WHO submitted a story is more important than the story itself.
Protonz, on 07/20/2008, -9/+4Why is this a problem? You guys seem to complain a lot, but give no reason why it is a problem.

The quality of those stories is not bad, and I digg some of them myself.

We are not all equal.
- BraveLilToasta, on 07/20/2008, -1/+4the problem is that digg is supposed to be a place were individuals are in charge of what makes the news, so that we dont have to choose between the opinion of rupert murdoch or jamie kellner(turner broadcasting), these digg moguls completely defeat the point of user generated content
- DooM, on 07/20/2008, -0/+6Digg is supposed to be different because there are no 'editors' - the problem is that these guys have basically set themselves up as the defacto editors of Digg.
Elliottx, on 07/20/2008, -4/+11To be honest, getting ONE story to the front page would be enough to make me stop. I'm not a big fan of the "Friends" on Digg because 80% of the time it's a bot, or one of those whiny pathetic bitches who says "I dugg urz so u digg mine kay?"

Oh where was I going, right. The only reason MrBabyMan and MikiMaki have a lot of stories on the front page is because they're literally have THOUSANDS of friends...be it real people, or not the story will be spread around faster than AID's at Marti Graw (Did I spell graw right? I didn't did I...oh well)

But if you look at it another way, without those few "elite" members of Digg who have been here since the dawn of time, there would be a lot less interesting stories on the front page, sure I may not give a ***** about elections, global warming, Heath Ledger, and all the bureaucratic jibbery joo but you guys might.

Oh anyway, can people please stop becoming a "Fan" of mine....ok....keep doing it...I like it. :D

Of course I'll never add you unless I know you.

P.s I hope this hits the front page...twould be quite funny.
- DooM, on 07/20/2008, -1/+9"But if you look at it another way, without those few "elite" members of Digg who have been here since the dawn of time, there would be a lot less interesting stories on the front page"
  
  Most of Mr. Babyman's stories are duplicates of stories that were submitted by others - the interesting ones would still make it to the frontpage.
  - Elliottx, on 07/20/2008, -5/+1I know people say that MBM duplicates a lot of stories but looking at the state of Digg now, duplicate stories are being submitted left right and center. For instance when Diablo 3 was announced. Did you see the state of the upcoming gaming section? I think there were two full pages of "Omg Diablo 3!" stories linking to Blizzards splash page.
    
    I don't think I've ever actually seen a blatant duplicate story by MrBabyMan, I've certainly heard about them though. Point to a few duplicates and I'll take back everything I said. 5 will do considering he's submitted (Oh dear here we go) OVER 9000! stories.
    
    /Startsleepcycle [Wakeupat6pm]
  - estvir, on 07/20/2008, -0/+5If the 'elite' users were removed the site would continue on just fine except instead there'd be a wider variety of people submitting the content they did.
    
    And the content they submit isn't anything hard to find or anything, or they do is camp their RSS feeds (For sites like Engadget and Ars Technica) and the Reddit homepage.
- Wiinii, on 07/20/2008, -1/+5"Oh anyway, can people please stop becoming a "Fan" of mine....ok....keep doing it...I like it. :D
  
  Of course I'll never add you unless I know you."
  
  I thought I was the only one using the Friend thing for actual friends... I salute you!
  - Elliottx, on 07/20/2008, -0/+3:D Unfortunately I only have one friend who uses Digg...lol
- Sidzilla, on 08/10/2008, -0/+1http://digg.com/tech_news/***** ... list several (I think it is three) stories that Maki Maki and MrBabyman duped off each other. Laughable as that is. http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Free_Digg_from_MrBabyMan ... shows a submission that MrBabyman duped from the original photoshop artist who produced the work. Two hours after the original was submitted. That's four in the last two days. I know you asked for five, but I figure if you just do the math you will see that MrBabyman dupes people both accidentally and on purpose. I also would like to point out that the story 'This is a F*ing problem" got over five hundred diggs in less than 22 hours and never hit the front page. Good enough. or do you want more? I can list these examples all day because the top diggers are submitting duplicates, submitting crap, and it seems they even have influence over things getting to the front page that they didn't submit. This is probably due to their vocal crying to Kevin Rose and threats to quit digg.
Doomsan, on 07/20/2008, -7/+3WTf is with the fat ***** at the right?
dansmeek, on 07/20/2008, -4/+8they should just add a feature to digg that allows people to not see stories for mrbabyman and those other guys. i'm not talking about a block feature... just a "ignore stories from the people who game the system" thing. they have it so you can ignore politics and sports and all that. if your not going to change the algorithm or puss out when the gamers threaten to leave.... then i say add an option to ignore their stories. and make it set to ON by default.
Wiinii, on 07/20/2008, -1/+15People Shouting to tons of people to get their story up is only half of the problem. I doubt that could even be stopped if they stopped Shouts, people will just use IM or Facebook/MySpace to do the same thing.

The other problem I have been bitching about for a while now, that's that sites like Kotaku, Joystiq, Gizmodo and others use Digg as a free marketing tool. They have so many people on their sites already, they just add a Digg link to anything and they get front page, even if it's a dupe.

Example I put this up
http://digg.com/nintendo/E3_2008_Nintendo_announce ...
well before Kotaku put this up without even any real commentary:
http://digg.com/nintendo/Nintendo_Announces_Motion ...
And my article links directly to the source, Nintendo. Look what happened.

Why bother. I did try to say the same thing there, that didn't go to well:
http://digg.com/nintendo/Nintendo_Announces_Motion ...
As I'm sure it'll go here, bury me.
- GeekXian, on 07/20/2008, -0/+4Yes, but if the same people digging your story over and over REALLY started counting less or even AGAINST you then THAT would make a difference and make Digg a democracy again regardless of shouts or blogs or IMs.
- jordansky, on 07/20/2008, -1/+2Myspace is gay.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 09/08/2008, -0/+1I liked the old Digg. Before advertisers joined with thousands of accounts and ruined it.
estvir, on 07/20/2008, -1/+8Digg, please get rid of Shouts and other petty "Web 2.0" me-too things, work on the spam problem, bring back cloud view, get rid of the recommendation engine or make it better, get rid of the friends system or change it, make submissions anonymous till they hit the FP, etc.

I know you won't be able to be like all the other cool kids and their web 2.0 rubbish but there comes a time when you need to actually work on things outside of trying to be cool on the Internet for a day, if that.

And I don't know what software you're using but the fonts/text in that screenshot look horrible.
Wiinii, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9The other big problem of course is the amount of SPAM and dupe stories that are being submitted like crazy. I know I bury a lot of dupe stories (that are already on front page) that still hit front page anyhow. Perhaps some people could be made mods who have more power to delete SPAM/dupes, and punish the people submitting them. First offense a warning and can't submit another story for a few days, 2nd time a month, 3rd banned.

If you legitimately submit a good story (don't game it with Shouts), you only have minutes before it's off that first page because of a bunch of worthless submissions.

I also wonder if Digg's algorithm, takes into account times and days when Digg has less traffic. If I find and submit a great story in the middle of the night or on a Sunday, does it have the same chance as one that is submitted Monday midday?
Wiinii, on 07/20/2008, -0/+7Oh, and it also seems to take too long for a story to reach front page these days. By the time it hits front page it's yesterday's news.

It's seems to have gotten worse since the new beta Recommendations engine. A lot of good stories during E3 took forever to get there, many had over 100 Diggs and still never made it at all.
algaeturd, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10I don't even bother trying anymore. In my previous digg life before the restructuring, I had a 16% submission rate. Which isn't amazing, but admittedly I did submit some really good, interesting stories.
Now I don't have a chance so I don't go through the motions of submitting.
And I figure that after being here for a month, most people will feel the exact same way. It's a shell game...it's rigged and it's slanted in the wrong direction. I send way more time on reddit these days because it's not a contest over there. It's genuinely a site where important stories make it to the front page and lolcatz simply don't.
And there's no friend circle jerk going on with mrbabyman and co.
therainmaker, on 07/30/2008, -0/+2It's pointless to submit a story unless you have spent hours upon hours gaining friends that you can send shouts too. For the most part, this site has turned into what it wasn't supposed to be, Slashdot.
kingjafee, on 08/10/2008, -0/+2The system is biased.

It should not show the submitter until it hits FP and shouts need to be killed or modified severely

Reddit is so much simpler and people whine less too.

Go figure.
JDenigma, on 08/10/2008, -1/+3I've experienced some of this frustration firsthand when I've actually submitted some story that got, ummm I don't know, maybe 20 some diggs, to only see later on that someone else who was more popular I guess, submitted the same story as me and got it to the front page whereas mine died.

I've enjoyed social networking and digg. It's addicting, but I find the whole popularity contest aspect of it all to be very annoying. Look at me! See how popular I am and how many friends I have! Join my MySpace profile! OMG!!!!!!!!! Gag me with a spoon! It just seems so high schoolish and juvenile.
StevenBullen, on 09/10/2008, -0/+1This need sorting out big time.
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