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- sysoprock, on 10/12/2007, -9/+54Maybe the fact that the N-Gage has a larger install base than the PS3 has something to do with this?
- mooninite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33So hopefully instead of taking 2 years to bring out the PC versions they'll take... 6 months?
I never understood why Rockstar follows an "exclusive" way of releasing their products. This is 2007, not 1987. - Azlen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32@zerokill
How about in the very first paragraph.
"Harrison told IGN that it was likely the PS3 would simply be unable to build the installed userbase necessary for Rockstar to turn a profit, given the rising development costs and slow availability of stocks for the new console." - spookyttws, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24I guess Microsoft's move to be first out the door is really paying off (that and having a reasonable price point).
- DarkStalker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+27Hundreds of millions?
Are you STONED? No one's paid over a million dollars (which is enough to cover 50% - 100% of most game development budgets these days) for exclusivity rights.
We're talking about videogames, not ***** F-16s here. - iluvatar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Well, it's not out of the realm of possibility considering rockstar is bringing Manhunt2 the Wii's way. But a direct port of GTAIV just can't happen because of the Wii's weaker hardware. I think one of two things is possible: a spinoff of GTA IV (maybe something along the lines of 'stories') or a sloppy port of GTA IV running on the San Andreas engine.
I'd prefer the Wii got a unique spinoff as I'd rather play a game designed specifically for the remote. - Blakovitch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15The simpler reason why PS3 is losing exclusives like GTA 4: Sony is unwilling or unable to cut a big enough check to Rockstar (and other companies) that will prevent them from moving to another system.
But yeah, whatever Phil said works too. - bennyboy371, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14That'd be excellent! I'd love to actually be able to swing my machete at the old woman!
- Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18Hmm...GTAIV exclusively on a console with only 1.5 to 3 million users of which not all of them would buy the game. Yeah, that would've made sense.
- daeyeth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You guys are bashing him just 'cuz he's a Sony talking head but what he's saying makes more sense then usual for his kind
- dunezone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It all comes down to the bottom line for developers. If you can make a larger profit by jumping to another console then you more then likely will, unless your being paid by Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, to be an exclusvie then theres no incentive to stay an exclusive anymore.
- daridave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@mooninite:
something tells me piracy also has a role in all this. GTA started off on the PC and we all know that while the game pushed the consoles, it ran laughably smooth on PC's. It just didn't make sense, except for one thing... profit.
id Software just admited it a few days ago, too. Piracy pushed 'em off the PC. I can't blame them... - pegisys, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8but the HD-dvd drive isn't required, and your comparison doesn't make sense for anything but HD movie playback. for gaming it still comes down to $600 vs $400(or $500 vs $300)
the cost that is mentioned wasn't the cost of making PS3 anyway, it's the cost of making the game versus the profits made off the game. the PS3 install base is not big enough to make any money off the game, or at least the type of money that rockstar are use to making off of gta - mikew101, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Does that mean they will release gta 4 for wii? After all more people have wii then ps3.
- enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sometimes I just want to slap the ***** out of you retards who continually post this "360 costs as much as a PS3" *****.
There is something called "expected value" from everything you purchase. Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have an expected value, to me of $0 (and almost everyone else right now). That means I am not willing to pay any money to own either "drive". I take a HUGE loss when I pay for a PS3 because I am essentially losing $200. - ArekRashan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Agreed. This is a day to mark on the calendar - Phil Harrison opened his mouth and produced something other than mad howling at the moon. His slave crown must have shorted out or something.
- saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What is a must have exclusive PS3 title?
Wasn't that GTA4?
Looking through the remainder of this year.... I see ummm... a Mac. Yes, a Mac. Face it, the PS3 is like the Mac.
You know what the good games for the PS3 are because they came out on the 360 last year.
You know what the good games for the Mac are because they came out on the PC last year. - fescen9, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@darkstalker
Actually, are YOU stoned?
One million to develop most games? The average game costs about 5 million to produce.
AAA games (GTA included) can cost 25 million or more to produce.
So, while a company paying hundreds of millions is a little far fetched, your stating that no-one has ever paid over a million for exclusivity (because games don't cost that much to produce) is also a little far fetched.
Do you have a reference on what companies pay for exclusivity? 'Cause here's mine for game development costs (http://gamedeveloper.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=97792) - JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10That is a user base issue. If the PS3 had as much market share as the PS2 Rockstar might have been able to support an exclusive title. Theres nothing about the PS3 itself that caused rockstar to opt for the multiplatform launch.
Its not like deciding to design the game again fro the 360 somehow reduced production cost... - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6id software? come on, they were hot but they lost their way. even Doom3 was crap in play mechanics.
they make great engines for games but their implementation of games has been lacking for a while.
don't use id as a case study. if you want a case study for PC games how about Crysis? it's PC only.. does make a compelling argument. - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3ethon,
you missed my point.. they are irrelevant to current PC gaming. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The enemy of my enemy is my friend, isn't it so?
Sony are subtly admitting that the PS3 isn't selling great, something which they obviously have to concede to, but do so in a rather unimportant casual remark. Meanwhile, they aren't acknowledging why the PS3 is failing: that the Wii and the XBOX360 have seperated the core market and dominated in those areas, leaving little reason for someone to get a PS3, because they are so expensive, even for someone wanting the Wii360 combination.
All I really care about is that Rockstar stop doing these exclusivity deals. GTA is best on the PC, always has been and always will, so why we have to wait years just to get it on the PC is a real kick in the balls to anyone not interested in the PS and the limitations a game such as GTA has on such consoles - AndrewDB, on 01/10/2008, -0/+2Sony.. Grateful for something?
What fantasy land are you living in, and are there any houses for sale there? - Carg0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Phil Harrison offers a new explanation?
what's there to explain? with the 360's install base being nearly 5 times larger, Sony should be grateful Rockstar is even making the effort to bring GTA 4 to the ps3. - decipherd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2source? i find that hard to believe..
- RiotActing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course he's gonna say that BS... what's he gonna say Kutaragi is a dip *****? :rolleyes:
- ethon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@yournamehere
You missed his point. He was talking about how id started to shy away from PC game marketing, and a little more to consoles because of the loss of profit on the PC from piracy. - Shanobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ah, from the mouth of the same Phil Harrison that told us that demand for the PS3 was unprecedented, and that they had the biggest launch of all time.
I feel like I just stepped out of a tumbling clothes dryer. - TrainwreckX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let me interject right here. In response to the original story... DUH! Why is this even a question/news?
- saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Phil Harrison: "You wouldn't believe the massive shortages we are artifically creating... I mean having!"
Me: "I spotted about 40 of them just today."
Phil Harrison: "But there are few to be found in Sank, MO!"
Me: "Sank has the population of 3 on a good day and none of them play video games." - joper90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is kind of obvious.. as consoles get more expensive, the initial sales and ramp up will be slower, especially when they still cross previous gen hardware.. Add this to the fact that new hardware requires much more cost per game (especially AAA titles) to produce (in the main) due to the better gfx, # of textures and coding.
- yoble, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Doubtful info... Sweet, dugg it.
- saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1lyianis: Or how about the fact that they have to licence blu-ray from sony,
One word: lol
Hint: Who makes the PS3? Who owns the rights to blu-ray? - EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That is something that N definitely wants to happen:
http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Reggie_still_pressing_Rockstar_to_bring_GTA_to_the_Wii - purplehaze1091, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4It should be noted that rockstar approached Microsoft to make grand theft auto a xbox limited series starting with GTA 4, Microsoft turned the deal down for reasons I cant imagine.
- Leo55, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Is the fact that Philly - the one just got name taken down - admits that his company's product is expensive to dev for, bad or good?
- Lyianis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Or how about the fact that they have to licence blu-ray from sony, as well as spend money implement the special copy protections for BRD.(yes all media types have this, but its still there)
No its not a major cost factor, but it does add to the all the other costs. - MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This is getting blown waaaaay out of proportion. In terms of install base I'm sure he was refering to the install base of the PS3 when GTA4 comes out. Not that it wasn't going to get an install base. Second....drop the PS3 isn't selling ***** the launch was better than any current or last gen system save the Wii. The following month ps3 sales were only down 50,000 from the 360 with no must have titles....wait till next week or the week after for febuary sales. But most importantly wait for march sales as that's the first month where a must have PS3 title is released.
- adml_shake, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Good news everybody! As someone who's planning on only getting a 360 (waiting for the rumored hardware upgrades this summer or around the halo3 launch) and a Wii this is good news for me.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4
If Sony is subtly admitting that the PS3 isn't selling great, then what is Microsoft admitting about their sales? Since the PS3 was introduced, the 360 has always trailed in sales. - saigumi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Actually there is only a base of 1.5 million PS3's on this earth. Approximately a mouse fart in comparison to the 360 and Wii
http://nexgenwars.com/ - sonochamp, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7"Rising development costs" = "Blu Ray is ***** us over"
Damn it, Sony! Make the Blu Ray drive optional and you can afford to cut the price of a PS3. Maybe then you can get some consoles out the door and sell some titles (and even get back an exclusive or two)! Idiots!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2OHHH HOW WILL THEY SPIN THIS ONE!??!
- jtrowe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Honestly, the PS3 really isn't more expensive than a 360, it is just that you don't have the option to not get the Blu-Ray.
Here is the math
PS3 = 600$ (good luck finding a core system)
360 = 400$ + 200$ for HD DVD compatability = 600$
About the same price, and considering that there are more movies being released on Blu-Ray this year than on the HD-DVD format, I don't know if HD-DVD is going to be the better format to plop 200 bucks on. Allthough one may argue that the HD-DVD format delivers crisper video than the Blu-Ray format, it is seriously just a compression issue that will probably be fixed in the future. (Also, the difference is so minimal it really is un-noticable unless you got some guy pointing out the color bleeding).
But enough of that. I seriously doubt that Phil Harrison would state anything negative about the PS3's production cost if he didn't have to. I don't think that it was Sony's inability to cut a big enough check.
It is going to be an interesting year of format wars, and I am not investing in anything until the victor is decided! - Ocelot13, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1how are you gonna pimp slap a ho with a wiimote? and then stomp on her?
(yes i know, it would be easy, but thats not the point...) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4Of all the components of the machine to criticize, you picked the media it comes on? Not the lack of cohesive online services, not the more complex process to optimize for the Cell, not the pressure to create a complex 3D engine to showcase the graphics capabilities of the machine, but the disk media the game comes on. Oh, tuning the loading algorithms might change. That's about it. That's leaving out the possible external causes of rising development costs.
Please learn about the PS3 before talking about it. You might look like you know something. - quaunaut, on 10/12/2007, -18/+9@mooninite:
Huge gobs of money. In the PS2 generation, hundreds of millions were shoved their way for exclusivity after GTA3. - zerokill, on 10/12/2007, -63/+12marked as inaccurate. where in the article does it say ANYTHING about dev costs? Harrison explains that its because the 360 has the larger install base atm.
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