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- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -7/+54Congratulations, you have totally missed the point of this Digg.
It's not about playing DX10 games, it's pointing out that [apparently] DX9 games run better on Vista than XP, which is a huge suprise.
DX10 is a great reason to upgrade, if you're a GAMER, if you're not, there are more than enough reasons, start here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -16/+44@estvir
I'm sorry but when a company calls DRM a good reason to upgrade to a new platform I think they are crazier than a guy who goes shopping in a tinfoil hat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista#Digital_Rights_Management - Promantarius, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24You can't use the "It's a beta" phrase to nullify all negative comments. He noted it was the current build that he's referring to, and is simply pointing out that their promises are hollow at this point; DirectX 9 games on Vista are not faster yet. DirectX 9 games might run faster when Vista is released, no one knows for sure - theoretically they should (according to Microsoft), but reality hasn't proven it yet.
It's pretty premature to listen to what Microsoft (or any other large company for that matter) says will happen in the future, if they have no solid proof outside the realm of theory. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Oh, my friend, you must not get to Gaming LAN Cafes too much. To this day, there always seems to be some people playing Counterstrike. Always. I am certain in 2050, this will still be the case. In short, there are always people who will play the same games forever, especially FPS and RTS games, and to them at least, those games never become "retro".
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Welcome to the club, you're the 40290393 person to make the same joke.
/hands masterboy a medal and a cookie.
Run along now !
I kid, I kid. - samnmax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15I'm not sure Vista being faster, at least for this one specific game, is that much of a surprise. I guess it's sort of sad that people seem to expect a newer Microsoft operating system to only introduce more bloat, but they do actually optimize things.
I think one of the more interesting aspects of the Vista video driver model is that most of the driver is run in user space rather than kernel space. This should make development of drivers much simpler, as developers will be able to make use of user space debuggers. As well, it makes it easier to 'reset' the video card if something goes wrong, which it often does unfortunately, instead of the whole operating system. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Of course people play CS, it's only like the greatest game in the universe"
you know, that reminds me of that idiot in ctrl alt del who works in the gameshop - RichPowers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14heh if I wasn't such a hardcore gamer, I would've stopped buying Windows years ago. This is great news.
- LR2_, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This was covered on DigitalLifeTV with Patrick Norton and Robert Heron.
Here is the link to the episode: http://dl.tv/blogs/digitallifetv/archive/2006/07/25/16710.aspx - ilLH, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Diablo II and Starcraft.
- Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Isn't it supposed to only cost around $100?
- earthtoandy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I am a big fan of playing old dos games like Blake Stone or Red Baron. Man good times. Reminds me of a simpler time
by the way i was just kidding, of course they will be around. I was just making a joke as to vistas delayed release schedule..... - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16Again more morons from digg miss the ***** point. Thats great games on vista work better then windows xp (direct x 9). And for those who are so obsessed with drm or whatever.... get over it.. its just like xp, theres way around it. Stop ruining digg.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6No, this is proof that the new device driver model in Vista is good.
- ZergyPoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"sure i do, when i still can't play half life 2 on vista, there's still a problem"
No you don't, you're complaining about lack of driver support for an OS that hasn't even been released yet. If it's released and the driver support is still bad, then come back here and complain, otherwise, please shut the hell up. - goat77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Endy, you will need a new graphics card for DX10... so you'll end up spending quite a bit for all the advantages.
- WiBu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I might get pie on my face but the reason why people aren't seeing the increased build in current builds of Vista is because it is not yet using the new driver model and the new dx9 (which will come out with dx10, it has another name other than dx9 but I forget) is not functional.
- glafira, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You would be surprised.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@goffy59
Maybe more of us "morons" care more about DRM than gaining some game-play performance. In any case Digg is all about letting people decide what they want to talk about. If you want a "content site" to discuss news articles without members who are able to "ruin" that site then maybe Netscape.com is your new Digg.
@goat77
I can tell from your other posts that your highly anticipating this new technology because your into gaming. I think its great that Microsoft's new operating system will include features geared toward gamers. I find it wonderful that they can eek out better performance from the current generation of games. I still feel strongly that including DRM and parental controls for computers is not necessary. If you disagree fine, mod me down, do it the (diggers) democratic way. - earthtoandy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Will there be any DX9 games left when vista finally comes out?? :D
it will be retro gaming by then. - blueigloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"no difference? pishposh"
Having played both - I can say they are both HUGE wastes of time and money (Guildwars being less waste of money) - aggies11, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3DirectX 9.0L should be faster/optomized. They've been saying that for a while now. Obviously they aren't quite there yet with the beta. But it's still a beta afterall, and not even a Releae Canditate yet.
Only the final product will tell.
Aggies - vertigoblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4its only going to be around $100 OEM just like XP has always been...
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4 Fentekreel
Better kernel, better drivers, better driver model, optimization for the kernel, supported apis and drivers.
Just the idea that under the new GUI interface the game no longer has to force the system to switch over to using the GPU for additional rendering should make most games faster in comparison. - odiHnaD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ya'll might call me crazy but running WoW on my Laptop (Dell D820 w/nVidia 120m) I noticed a nice jump in frames from XP to vista (10fps increase minimum) and that's running on the public beta version with sketchy drivers, I'm looking forward to see what the final release can do for gaming performance...
- JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@jer2eydevil88
Of course a person whose avatar is the Apple logo doesn't care abour games ;-)
Nah, seriously it's a good comment, so clear and polite. But I think DRM for your documents it's a good idea. I'm tired of people using my work! Also, it offers new ways to companies to offer us new products. I'll be glad to rent a cheap ($2-$3) movie that self-destructs after three days, for example.
And parental controls is necessary. Restrain the children from playing mature games or browse inadequate internet content will avoid people like Jack Thompson blaming videogames and Internet. It will give parents true and *easy* control over what their kids do. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes, we've already covered this, it's due to performance optimisations not being done (Until recently anyway, in 5472) and drivers not available or in early stages.
- Araya213, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Where is the logic in beliveing something that cannot be proven, and at the present time has been disproven?
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I applaud you, goffy.
- goat77, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Perhaps they won't. Perhaps people will get systems with vista preinstalled, or perhaps people will pirate it, or perhaps they'll buy it not only for the extra FPS, but for all the new features.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6And it's obvious that NVidia drivers on Vista are improving and that have quite a bit of time to finish working on them before Vista is released.
So, what's your point ? You don't really have a valid reason to complain, if all you're saying is "Oh noes, driver support on the beta is bad lolol." - ChileanGoD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Any benchmarks for UT2K4 ?..
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7If you actually take a look at that article, you'll see some interesting things.
First, look at the CPU usage of Aero, it's down to 15%, which is half of Beta2 and uses about a third of what XP does.
Second HL2, it's improving, so the next builds will also and they actually aren't very far away from XPs performance.
Third, app performance is barely different, considering what all these morons shout like "Bloatware" and whatever else they feel like repeating.
That article shows that they're actually improving, a lot, and they still have a bit until release. - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm forwarding his comment to Tim of Ctrl-Alt-Del
- romainechester, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5"you know, that reminds me of that idiot in ctrl alt del who works in the gameshop"
Hehe.. Rob... - psych0fish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FTA: "Yerli told us that if you have Windows Vista and an older DirectX 9 card, you should still see better performance with Windows Vista than Windows Xp"
If this is true, then why do I see a %30 drop in framerates for counter strike:source?
They didn't do any benchmarks, and they have no data to back up that claim. - soulpiercer7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3right on.
- spindrift, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Hey dude, wanna see my leet CS models??!?
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've been playing half life 2 on Vista since Beta 2, using drivers downloaded from Nvidia's site.
Half Life 2 is directx not OpenGL. For a OpenGL game you need something like Sin 1, which I have
been playing since a later driver release about three weeks after Beta 2 came out.
Playing (or have played)
Half Life 2 SMOD
Half Life 2: Lost Coast
Half Life 2: Episode 1
Sin: Emergence
Sin 1
Half Life 2.
I don't do much gameplay, but I would be happy to fire up Half Life 1 to confirm it still runs as well. - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4To commet on the people who dont like single player. There are still real games left who enjoy a good story and the gameplay. Most games coming out are all the same. Theres no difference in Guild Wars, WOW, and ever quest.
Games life Half Life 2 or quake 4 still give me hope of great game play. I never really liked multiplayer because orginally games were mostly single player and back then games were alot more fun. Doom 3 was a peice of crap and a disapointment for most gamers. On counter strike you do the same ***** over and over again, at least one battlefield 2, the more you play, the most medals and guns you get.
Im waiting for deus ex 3, half life 2 series/half life 3, and much more. - TheGrizah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's pretty nice and interesting. Although I've been waiting to upgrade just for Vista and DX10, and DX10 cards anyways.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3sure i do, when i still can't play half life 2 on vista, there's still a problem
and its not just a case of "lol no hl2 means bad os"- openGL is broke PERIOD for me in vista, which means i can't even play quake3, or many of my other games - ShakeWell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2you sir, obviously have never played one or both of WoW and Guild Wars... no difference? pishposh.
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would pay $100 to get more FPS. Gameing PC's are expensive to keep up to date, that's cheap by comparison.
- goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I was saying theres TONS of ways around DRM. of course Im concerned with DRM. But this was about gaming in vista/xp. Not DRM.
- BassCadet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1BTW, Prey doesn't work on Vista. :(
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"I have a feeling Microsoft won't end up selling many people a $400 copy of Windows Vista just to get better FPS in a game."
Perhaps not, but Dell and others will sell new cool Intel Core 2 Duo's *or* upcoming quad-core Athlon's and either equals Vista sales for Microsoft. They didn't have retail sales as a main source of income to grow this big. - sirmasterboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I'm only getting Vista if it will run Duke Nukem Forever faster than XP!
:-P - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The nVidia drivers suck for Vista x86 too. If you have a Geforce 6 series card, you're pretty much SOL with their drivers. I wish they'd just put out a new release. It's been like 2 months.
- an0nym0us, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5In soviet korae, starcraft plays you!
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