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Comparison: Ridge Racer 7 on PS3 vs. XBox 360

dreamgamers.blogcindario.com — nice comparison with screenshots

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  • altodarknight, on 10/12/2007, -7/+107Translation:

    Good, as it is logical begin to appear different comparative on these two games from launching for each one from consoles. The Ridge Racer 6 was it for Xbox 360 almost a year ago, the 7 it has been for PS3 hardly 3 days ago. Taking as it bases the resolutions, the one of PS3 it is of 1080p and Xbox 360 is of 720p, in both cases the 60 game runs to fps, we see them:

    In this following turn it is continued observing basically the same, greater textures of the game of Xbox 360 (coverall in asphalt) by better illumination of PS3, the bottom is precious.

    End translation.

    I think the 360 looks far better, even the lighting system, it seems far more natural.
    • Nobi-Wan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+58I'm a sucker for details and even the HUD looks worlds better on the 360. The one from the PS3 looks like it was made on an Excel spreadsheet. You can usually tell when some teams enjoy working on their projects when they add little details not many people would notice.
    • The_Wallbanger, on 10/12/2007, -5/+63Xbox 360 version has water effects on. The PS3 has a blank blue surface to represent water. Contrast appears darker on the 360. The resolution is higher on the PS3.
    • procdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -61/+12Yo no hablo Español
    • W00DR0W, on 10/12/2007, -12/+54I guess this proves that the 360's 512 memory really does produce better textures.
    • Calypsoaf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+57To be fair to the PS3 and Xbox, the graphical/hud/gameplay differences are all in Namco's hands, not Sony or Microsoft. Any differences in quality seen are all on the shoulders of the developers and how they utilize the platform given to them.

      That being said, I loved RR6 on the 360, and am very much looking foward to getting my hands on 7 soon.
    • ngmcs8203, on 10/12/2007, -62/+5A story making it to the front page in Spanish? I can see enjoying the article because of the fact that it has 2 screenshots, I would assume that the majority of Digg users are predominantly English speaking.
    • Bigdee4933, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13What does the Korean on the pictures say?
    • felchdonkey, on 10/12/2007, -13/+93to all the whiners having problems with the Spanish -

      You're looking at screenshots, and they happen to be on a Spanish language website. If you really have a problem, there's always Babelfish or Google Translate.

      You'll notice that it's called the WORLD Wide Web, not the America Wide Web.
    • noots, on 10/12/2007, -65/+11i hate sony, but the PS3 > 360.

      the reason the water looks ***** on the PS3 screenie is due to the fact the water is REFLECTING the gay ass texture of the sky (indeed it is pretty bland, poor screen example imo).

      the 360 water is simply the same sort thats been used in games as far back as Call of Duty 1, circa 1999.

      the screenshots also show a missing boat in the PS3 ss, but if you position your eyes to the left of it you will see its been brought to the front of the environment and much more detailed.
    • evanreiser, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13more screen shots in case the link is down (web server timed out for me)

      http://microsoftisawesome.blogspot.com/2006/11/xbox-360-has-better-graphics-than-ps3.html
    • pegisys, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11wow noots, way to be a fanboy. I think everyone else can get pass picking sides and clearly see whats in the pictures, comparing it to a game that 7 years old is just childish
    • noots, on 10/12/2007, -25/+4are you on crack? i COMPARED THE WAY THE WATER WAS RENDERED.

      i'd also like to take this opertunity to point out im not buying either a 360 or PS3.
    • TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -18/+14Digg me down if I'm wrong, but isn't this article comparing RR SIX(6) on the 360 to RR SEVEN(7) on the PS3? How is this a valid comparison at all?
    • ascott9, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=11799

      another picture

      website timed out for me also
    • fernando26, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25@ TheBarge:

      The article posted by evanreiser says:

      "Available as Ridge Racer 6 for the Xbox 360 and Ridge Racer 7 for the PS3"

      So it seems as if they are indeed the same games, simply released a year apart. Perhaps the number was increased just to make ppl believe that this one is the OMG-NEW-SHINY-GRAPHICS-MORE-CARS-PS3-HAS-NEWER-GAMES edition
    • Sartori, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22As a game developer, I've worked on a few driving games (Burnout 1&2 being the closest to this), and I know how these things can get played around with over the course of a franchise. This sort of thing is natural development as a game moves from one platform to another. These are definitely an interesting comparison to show how a game changes look gradually over time.

      I think the PS3 version looks better myself. I prefer the lower-contrast look of the world, to me it looks more realistic than the 360 version with its cartoon-blue sky and disturbed water. We did a similar thing in Burnout, with the contrast and skies, when we moved from PS2 to Xbox. I do think the road markings look better on the 360 version though, it'd be nice to see what they looked like from a driving viewpoint.
    • masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15IGN has more screen shots of RR7:
      http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/823/823649/imgs_1.html
      http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/823/823649/img_4045701.html

      If those are pictures of what the final build is going to look like... My god. What happened with those textures and that aliasing? With all of that aliasing, along with the ugly textures, it looks like a PS2 world with PS3 reflections, physics, and cars.

      EDIT: Look at the grass textures! It looks like Half-Life 1! O_O;
      http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/823/823649/img_3976402.html
    • TheBarge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@fernando26

      "So it seems as if they are indeed the same games, simply released a year apart. Perhaps the number was increased just to make ppl believe that this one is the OMG-NEW-SHINY-GRAPHICS-MORE-CARS-PS3-HAS-NEWER-GAMES edition"

      Well I'm sure it's not the same game exactly since they most certainly had to make serious game engine modifications to support the Cell architecture and newer graphics hardware. But yeah, pretty much the same game. You'd think they would make damn sure it looks a whole helluva lot better for the PS3 than the 360 though. I do like the lower contrast look as Sartori mentioned, but I find it interesting that it looks like they left out particular details (like the railing, cruise ship, etc) on the PS3 version, most likely to get around possible FPS lag or something.
    • BlackKnight6, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Yes, the 360 lighting is actually alot better. It is an effect called HDR. Looks to me the PS3 is not even using it. Ever come inside where you live from a bright day and your house looks real dark? Same with a camera, its all about exposure. It is a very demanding effect and the 360 has it while the PS3 is blander, you can see the sky just blue and dark places are just kinda dark, not much of a dynamic picture. To me I would say the 360 looks better, let alone all those boats, railings, textures, scenery roads and good looking water. I wonder what TV the person has, cause resolution wise the 360 looks better. If you look at the shots where it looks at something far away, much sharper on the 360, which makes me think these are shots of RR 7 on the PS3 running at 720P.
    • timmertc, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8Looking at the pictures, the PS3 images look much more realistic. The 360 image has much higher contrast (which can be argued to be better game material), but that contrast is not lifelike. The PS3 image looks much more like real-life images. Real life isn't has high-contrast as the 360 portrays it to be.
    • sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Translation of the Korean inside the picture


      1st Comparison:
      Ferry erased.
      Railing erased.

      2nd Comparison:
      Building looks less 3D (Quality has dropped).
      Far-sight Detail has dropped.
      Low Quality textures used for PS3.
      Cannot see the Traffic lane.
      Banner is added to the Building.
      Marking (Sponsor graphics) is added.
    • sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think a more insightful thought would be to check which version supports more cars in game at once, which one keeps a constant frames, and which one has higher resolution.

      Oh, and this is a RIDGE RACER.

      you pass those kinds of sceneries in just a few seconds, in boost, and everything near you is blurred.

      I think these are the logical reasoning behind the lowered quality.
    • andreo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6So let me get this straight...

      RR7 is really RR6 that came out a year ago for the Xbox 360. And was this to show how much better the PS3 was over the 360 or how after a year Namco sat on their ass and hardly did anything on this game other then port it over to the PS3 and clean a couple of things up. Oh and add a ship that wasn't there before on a couple of tracks.

      And imagine how pissed I would have been if I would have bought this on the PS3 thinking that it was the next RR.
      I'll be keeping my eye on you Namco...
    • maxx77, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8TheBarge said "Digg me down if I'm wrong, but isn't this article comparing RR SIX(6) on the 360 to RR SEVEN(7) on the PS3? How is this a valid comparison at all?"

      I was going to bury this story myself when I saw the headline. I thought "well obviously RR7 looks better than RR6, what a stupid article." But then I clicked the link anyway and saw the comparison. RR6 actually looks BETTER than RR7, partially due to the increased memory of the 360. If RR7 had looked better, this comparison would be pointless. The other way around, however, and you have some fascinating cannon fodder for the fanboys.
    • millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Looks more colorful, N64-like on the PS3. Textures look more realistic on the Xbox 360. Could it be a RAM issue?
    • Pharaoh777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I'm sorry guys, but RR7 definitely looks far more realistic and less-jaggy than RR6. That's all there is to it. RR6 looks cleaner and brighter - but RR7 has more accurate coloring, contrast, and lighting. Some people need to stop being so anti-Sony and actually look at the pictures.
    • judetheobscure, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2*Non-machine Translation*

      Well, it’s logical that comparisons will be made between these two system launch titles. Ridge Racer 6 was released for the Xbox 360 almost a year ago, and 7 barely came out for the PS3 3 days ago.

      Keeping in mind the different resolutions, 1080p for the PS3 and 720p for the Xbox 360, in either case both versions of the game run at 60 fps, we see:

      Comparisons

      You can see that the Xbox 360 version is much more detailed, for example the asphalt, the shadows, the railing, the building windows, or the boat which is missing from the PS3 version. Also, notice the water of each version, in the RR7 version the water is less detailed (plain).

      In these pictures, the only positive aspect of the PS3 version is the better use of lighting and perhaps a greater number of elements on the screen (for example, the trees).

      PS3

      Xbox

      In the links above, you can pretty much observe the same thing, the better textures of the Xbox 360 version (for example, every aspect of the asphalt) vs. the better lighting of the PS3 version, the bottom (screen?) is priceless.
    • Bobombom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@Bigdee4933

      The korean basically says that the two items on the 360 have been deleted on the ps3. It is basically stating that the 360 is more texturally defined.
    • Eoxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0The reason on playing a game is the feeling you get out of it..

      For having played the ridge racer games in the past (not this new version) I could honestly said that at the speed of the game the graphic details are not what makes the good feeling cause you don't see it.

      Of course Playstation advertisement do say the technology is superior in comparison with the concurrence ... But guess what ? Graphics don't make the game better, it is good to have realistic graphics but the feeling is the first reason some played a mario and a sonic even if the machine at the time had lower graphic capabilities (mario on the nes compared to master system - sonic on genesis compared to super nes) ...

      Talking about Mario and Sonic - they were innovative games that is what make gamers happy ... Not games with fancy graphics with no soul ...

      The games companies should take more risks in making innovative games and not sequel of old games with better graphics ... cause we are tired and sick of buying the same games over the years ...

      I think we could say the same about movies ... the very same with new special effects .. The innovation is disappearing in games like it has disappear in movies and the reason is that there are more and more big game companies that look for profit without risk ... And less little companies that want to achieve a dream that was the vision of its creators ..
  • UncleCrapper, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12The sky looks better on the PS3 version, but I don't know if I like the lighting on the 360. There is a real difference in brightness between the two versions, as the PS3 version looks almost too bright and the 360 version too dark. The road and water textures look better on the 360 version, but it could be partly due to the brightness of the PS3 version washing out the texture detail.

    Bear in mind that both games are first generation titles on either machine. I don't know which version I like better; I would really have to play both games.
    • FrankieB078, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7I think that is the biggest difference of all, and that is that these are both first gen titles for new machines. I personally think the 360 version looks better, but I would only attribute that to it being out longer and developers having a longer period of time to work on that platform.

      I have no doubt that both systems will improve as time goes on, the first Xbox and PS2 games looked kind of like crap with glitter on them, whereas now they are much more refined.
    • Rayonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13They both may be launch titles, but they're the same series by the same developer. Presumably there was at least *some* knowledge or asset transfer from RR6 to RR7. Some programmers or designers likely stayed on -- people who could have said "Next time we should try X instead of Y".

      Frankly, I'm surprised Ridge Racer 6 compares so favorably.
    • pegisys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7""but I would only attribute that to it being out longer and developers having a longer period of time to work on that platform""

      how so, it was a launch title it's not like they put out a bunch of patches to upgrade the graphics, and the PS3 is more than 6 months behind schedule, it the PS3 version looked better you may have had a point
    • negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You really can't judge any games off screenshots really. In these sort of matters, I reserve all judgment until I see both games side by side or at least both of them within a similar time-frame of each other. It is foolish to make any observations based on screen shots because they most always are inaccurate some way or the other (mostly they look worse, sometimes better).
  • edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -6/+64With all the hype surrounding the PS3 - I would expect the differences to be huge. Turns out they look very similar. No wonder Sony is sweating.
    • tutivlahos, on 10/12/2007, -9/+94I think that the xbox360 looks better.
    • ryborg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+21Right. But the jury is still out on this one. Namco may have just ported this over to PS3 with little effort on taking advantage of the PS3s capabilities. Only time will tell if these two consoles are truly equal or not.
    • Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12I think the only reason Sony is "sweating" at the moment is due to production problems and getting enough consoles out the door to meet consumer demands.
    • ZeroMP, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Doesn't matter. Unfortunately Sony has proven that it can make a ***** console and still win for the last two generations. Now they are asking: "How much more can we charge for this *****? ... can we force a format war down their throats at the same time??"

      For coming out a full year later, and claiming that the PS3 is such a cell-powered liquid-nitrogen cooled supercomputer somewhere in the neighborhood of a Beowulf cluster - I believe was the comparison they used - it should look astounding next the 360 shots. Instead it looks pale, washed out.... bland overall.

      My review: 1/5 stars: "crap" (compare to an IGN rating of about 8.3)
    • dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@ryborg

      Rarely do ports get worse, especially if its to a platform that is supposedly "more powerful". Things have been removed and texture quality decreased...
  • djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22I'll admit to being a big Ridge Racer fan, but I'm not seeing enough differences in the PS3 version's graphics or features to justify the cost of the console (I have RR6 already). A high-quality direct-feed video comparison might show more of a difference than these screenshots, though.

    And regardless of the graphical differences, you can't argue about the price: RR6 is only 20 bucks, RR7 will be 60 when it goes on sale this week.
  • RealHyperX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Never thought I would say it, but it looks like the 360 is better! Wow.. unless this is just a bad port...
  • enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38/obligatory

    riiiiidge raaaacer

  • tokyomonster, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2www.duggmirror.com
  • saralk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14The PS3 adverts claim that the PS3 has far superior processing power and much better graphics. However, it seems that all this raw power is going to waste because the game developers don't know how to use it to its fullest extent.

    I think in a few years time, we will see developers really using the power of the PS3 to the fullest extent and we will see amazing graphics.
    • 8086ed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22And in a few years, the PS3 won't cost you your first-born. More reason not to buy.
  • gxcdesign, on 10/12/2007, -30/+4Have you guys seen Motorstorm or NBA 07?

    NBA 07 outdoes NBA Live
    • next, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28Yeah, but NBA 07 for the PS3 was recently canceled.

      Oops.
    • DarkStalker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Moron, NBA Live 07 was canceled. NBA 07.. or 2k7 or whatever it is from 2k Sports is still being released.
  • koonchu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+44WHOAH. The Xbox 360 version is GORGEOUS.

    But then again, what do I know? The PS3 is smarter than me, after all.
    • enforcerpsu, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23yeah, you should see what it can do with a rubix cube. It makes it asplode.
    • vaticide, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4"yeah, you should see what it can do with a rubix cube. It makes it asplode."

      Yeah, while you aren't there the PS3 plays with your toys and breaks them.
  • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9From what I can see, the main difference is simply in the textures.

    The 360 has a much better memory arrangement than the PS3, although really, both of them should have a little more packed inside of 'em.
    • OpCzar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Um there's a whole cruiser missing in the PS3 version, so it's not only textures, it's many polygons. But hey, 1080i of sky beats 720p of actual geometry, right?
    • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9That's 1080p, not i, and believe it or not, I doubt that cruiser takes up many polygons.

      Despite that, while the effects are different, the main things that came to my mind were the texture differences. The reason being for this is that the PS3's GPU only has 256MB of RAM avaliable to it, with 256MB for the rest of the system. The 360 on the other hand has 512 shared between the entire system in a unified way... Much better.
    • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Spotting something else, in the picture with the ship removed, http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/fotospameri/696924hu6.jpg , You can see a much more detailed looking ship just missing to the left of the PS3 image.
    • sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1WOW....thx pathy

      I missed that.

      And I agree, PS3, with its lowered textures, will look more realistic in RR7's blazing fast blurred vision.
  • hoaznod, on 10/12/2007, -72/+8umm wtf?
    am i the only one who thinks the 360 version looks like complete poo?
    the colors suck in the track overview pic, people see the world in a blue tint?
    the ps3 pictures look like it polished everything in the 360 pictures cept the water.
    and except for some blue glow on the numbers, the hud is no different in each version...

    and btw the price ur paying for the ps3 isn't for the gfx, it's for the blue ray...
    and this is just one game...the price of the ps3 is also for the games that don't come out for the crapbox.

    buttttttttttt the antisony people will truck on, and hate...
    sooo whatever
    • TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Get your eyes tested.
    • nukewinter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Well this is a new one, how you could look at this pictures and think the PS3 version looks better is beyond me. I guess fanboyism knows no bounds.
    • rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10I hate both of them. If I had to name one, I'd say I hate the PS3 worse, and I hope they don't sell a single unit. But the PS3 looks better to me. Did you see those pictures at the bottom? Compare the car and the scenery.

      The XBOX looks more photorealistic - there's more detail in the textures, the water certainly looks better. I like the first shot's graphic overlays better as well. But the colors are awful, it looks like the entire scene is overexposed, and there's compression artifacts. It's like an amateur taking a picture with a camera that he has no idea how to use.

      The PS3 is simpler, but it looks so much cleaner. It looks a bit more like a video game, which isn't a bad thing. It looks more like a place I want to drive around in, and doesn't look like people had to make sacrifices to get the game to look good.

      I dunno, when I saw this, I certainly wasn't expecting to see a bunch of "Wow! Go XBox!" posts. Unless the guy taking those pictures screwed up (which is certainly possible), the whole scene looks like *****.
    • czimmerman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5But the point of the Sony/Microsoft point of view next gen (well one of the points) is delivering the best graphics performance for the hardware. Blu-ray might help out in the future, but here and now, especially launch titles, to me seems way over-the-top, even for Sony.

      The 360 version looks a lot better, IMO. And people wouldn't be arguing this whole point if Sony wasn't like "Look at our monster, its the greatest thing EVER."
    • DROWE859, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ya' know what I hate? I hate when people say "for the blue ray".
      This seems like an improper use of a term someone has heard in a commercial. I'm fine with, "I'm willing to sell my car for the PS3 because it comes with a Blu-Ray Drive.", or "I bought the PS3 for the Blu-Ray capabilities it has."

      "The Blue Ray" just sounds annoying and points to no specific item or function.
      Does that get to anyone else? No? Just me? Okay, whatever guys.

      /worthless rant
  • nastri83, on 10/12/2007, -36/+6Wait.. am I looking at the same pictures? As much as I'd hate to admit it, the PS3 version looks much better. What drugs do you guys take? I'd like some since it will save me 200 bucks when buying my next gen console.
    • UMDWei, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28No drugs needed. Apparently you're just blind.
  • jmzook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The 360 version looks much better, mainly because of the more detailed textures, which are probably made possible by the unified memory architecture.
    • inkubux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well thebig difference here is that the Xbox 360 version looks like photo on the background while the PS3 version looks like a 3D generated world. Having that said, the 360 version is looking better in that case
  • trubbleshute, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12$600 and I get jaggies on my car? I am going to buy a Wii, but if I was buying a PS3 and I dropped $600 [six hundred dollars] on a console, I would hope that I wouldn't see any of those crappy jaggeds sticking out of my car.
    • awhite2600, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I'll stick with my Atari 2600. Jaggies Rule!
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Well, since you are will to accept something as low spec as the Wii, I'd imagine the [five hundred dollar] model would be more than you can handle anyway. Anyway, keep saving your [pocket money].
    • JangoFett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"I'll stick with my Atari 2600."

      Niiiiiight Driiiiiver!
  • Pissoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Are games that are available on mutiple systems written from scratch for each or written to make porting easy? I would guess portability. That would mean any game that is available on every system will look roughly the same with small detail differences like we are seeing here?

    • otomo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0A little from column a and b I imagine. Keep in mind that the xbox might look better because they can use (essentially) directx/3d which more people know how to use.

      With the ps3 the libraries might be a bit less defined.

      But to your question, you can make things portable, but you can't make it all portable. Otherwise you end up with c++ code that is 20 objects deep and a nightmare to use just for network drivers. So in short, a lot is scratch (assembly/custom bits to speed things up) and so is the "glue" code fitting that into the graphics engine of the other system.

      But only the programmers at Namco can say for sure.
  • turbopro, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1I dont think either are showing gameplay. That seems to be some sort of startup screen.
  • TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16So these games are exactly the same? part from the PS3 having an extra year of development? Sorry to say this PS Fanboys, but that looks like *****.
  • emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11wow the XB360 version looks a ton better. As it should, being easier to develop for and being out for a year.

    Power wise the two systems are essentially identical but PS3s downfall will be difficulty to code for and coming a year later, whereas the XB360 is easier and developers have had more time with it.
    • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20yea except RR6 for 360 was a launch title...
    • vandread, on 10/12/2007, -26/+2power wise? Have you looked at the specs? the PS3 is far more powerful than the Xbox 360. The only thing is that Xbox developers have had an extra year to get used to the Xbox than PS3 developers. And it will still take a while for PS3 developers to get all the power out of the cell, just like it took a few years for people to take full advantage of the PS2's emotion engine.

      But from actual hardware reports the PS3 is much more powerful than the 360, sorry to burst your bubble.
    • djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Um, RR 6 was a launch game for the 360, just as RR7 is for the PS3. The whole '360 has been out for a year' argument is pointless, at least when comparing respective launch games.

      edit: teamparadox beat me to it!
    • tsunamitomi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I don't think you realize that the xbox360 game is a year older than the PS3 game.
    • cell00, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"being easier to develop for and being out for a year."

      it was a launch title.


      Edit: What the --- ah nevermind. Opened up this page quite a while ago. To make my post more interesting: it was actually available before the 360 launched. :o
    • TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@vandread

      The raw processing power of the PS3 is unquestionably superior, but when Sony ***** and found out that the graphics abilities weren't that much more power than Nvidias TNT series Graphics cards (That was a joke :P) They needed to get Nvidia to quickly make something up to get the PS3 to the Developers to develop the games.

      Now back to raw processing power. It could be years before Developers could even fully grasp the power of the PS3.

      Just look at that game. If the developers developed this game in a year, they could get away with this. But since they had a bit of time with the Xbox360, then ported it over (which has taken them at least a year?), the game still looks *****; even worse, it's being released under the title 'Ridge Racer 7'. People are going to be in for a shock to find out it's the same ***** game from the Xbox360, priced higher and looks worse.
    • sarusa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3> The raw processing power of the PS3 is unquestionably superior

      Raw, yes. In the cell you've got the PPE (the general CPU) and then 8 Synergystic Processing Elements (SPEs). The floating point capabilities of the Cell completely smoke the 360's three general purpose CPUs if you ignore memory use. But in general you're not just doing floating point ops and the superior memory architecture of the 360 is going to play a big role too.

      I'm not going to say that the PS3 isn't an awesome little floating point machine, I just question how much of that is going to be useful for games compared to the 3 general purpose CPUs plus GPU of the X360.

      I think I'm going to agree with you (digging you up!) that given enough time to hand-tune your game for the PS3 you can probably get better performance out of it, and five years down the road we should have some utterly fantastic looking games like God of War was for the PS2, but most games are going to be better looking on the X360 just because the X360 makes it much easier for the developer.

  • yourpants, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2I would like to see them both running at the same resolutions.
  • vandread, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8I'm not so sure, I see a lot of people are pointing that the texture is more defined in the roads and water but I'm looking at the PS3 version and what I'm seeing is that the texture is a higher resolution and not as sharp creating a smoother more realistic appearance (the roads aren't as sharply hard but much more like a smooth road asphalt IMO and the water in the 360 version looks like Noah should be about to build the ark, while in the PS3 version its calmer and the texture looks rendered better. Not to mention the PS3 has a much smoother look to the objects with almost no jaggies, considerably fewer than the 360 version)

    It also looks like both systems had the TV set on opposite spectrums for contrast, the PS3 with almost no contrast and the 360 with as much as it could get creating very dark darks and very light lights and really make the 360 images look like crap IMO. The PS3 makes everything lighter so it all blends a bit and so I'm thinking the TV's these were taken on weren't on the same settings either.
  • coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It confuses me. When I see the first two screenshots I think the PS3 version looks better, but when they do the closeup the 360 seems to have more detail and look pretty overall.
  • teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Why does anyone care what version looks better. RR is old...and not in a good way. I find it disturbing that we are looking at exactly the same track across 2 platforms and 2 versions of the game. RR6 and RR7? Arent they both RR6?

    Either way the 360 version is sharper, has better textures, has more textures, has more track side objects and by far better water and lighting and chances are it loads 10x as fast.
  • hoaznod, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3you guys gotta be kidding me.

    i'm not saying the ps3 version is significantly better but it's better no doubt.
    less jaggies BY FAR.
    and almost every single thing in the 360 version is jumbled together...
    you can't see where the each tree starts, and which ends...
    the lighting is so much more unrealistic in the 360 version...
    and for the love of god just look at the car...
    • djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9And the 360 has details that the PS3 is just missing, such as the buliding windows and the boats. Wow, that makes the 360 version better!

      I think the point of the comparison is not that one is markedly better than the other, but just the opposite: that overall, the difference between the two is negligible.
  • commonsense2009, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Can we stop hatin' on the PS3. I'm gonna buy one and try to sell it on ebay for 2000.
    thanks...

    ##### end transmission####
  • supermanred, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15xbox 360 wins. 1080p is great in theory, but in the real world even a 2000 dollar ps3 cant render decent graphics at that resolution.
    • po43292, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah and sony doesn't deserve to get "better" hardware. They ruined Lik-Sang.com! :(
  • ZenMojo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5From a distance, the PS3 looks far, far better, but up close the edges look fuzzy and undefined while the Xbox 360 seems to have much cleaner textures and more dynamic lighting. From a photographer's perspective, it almost looks like the PS3 image has a slight amount of motion blur (I know the pictures are just zoomed in versions of the far picture) and that there is a day/night cycle in the game that changes the direction that light hits the objects in frame (you can see that the boats seem to be moving).

    Is there a motion-blur/anti-aliasing effect on the PS3 version that we're not getting? The Xbox 360's water effects are active, but is there some sort of weather change in Ridge Racer?

    Something about this seems dishonest. The PS3 shouldn't look so much better from a distance and so much rougher up close. And the lighting factor shouldn't be so disparate between the machines (and it's consistent on all of the objects based on the light source).
  • Destinatus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9why is the 360 so blue? it looks like they messed with the TVs contrast and color. The PS3 looks so faded out.
  • ifire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0It looks like the 360 has more detail, but it is slighty more "jaggy" than the PS3. It looks like they are roughly the same though. I want to see when the games start to really take advantage of all the power Sony claims their system has. It looks like it will be a challange for me to determine which one I hate more.
  • PrometheuZ, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1Only a matter of time before the 360 fans gotta admit yet again that Sony wins the race over the long haul.
    • cajungator2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Only a matter of time before the cult Sony created drinks the kool-aide. RR6 was a launch title for the 360 and it looks better than Sony's launch title. Oh the amazing power of the PS3!
  • hoaznod, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1look at all those jaggiesssssssssssssss on the 360.
    better up close?

    hahahahahah
    seriously though, the blue haze on the first comparison 360 pic...
    hahahahahahahahahahah.

    you people are cwazy.
    • chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9That's because the xbox 360 version (ridge racer 6) is running is 760p, and the ps3 version (ridge racer 7) is running is 1080i. I think the point of this is to see that the memory architecture on the xbox 360 is 512mb shared (ram + vram), and the ps3 has 256mb allocated for main ram, and 256mb for vram.

      It appears like the 360 is a better and cheaper system.
    • sakuraz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3720P
      1080P

      GOSH!
  • quentinp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Wait a minute, does the PS3 only have 256MB of RAM (I saw it on one site I googled, but I can't quite believe it)? I guess I just assumed it would have at least 512MB...esp when you're trying to pack in textures for 1080p.

    Ah I found it heh, 256MB VRAM and 256MB Main RAM, vs. 360's 512MB total right? Harder to compare that then, but I guess essentially they should be close that way. Whew, I should've known Sony wouldn't have made that big of a blunder!

    Oh and WRT the article, very interesting. There seems to be more detail in the 360 version. Not a big RR fan in any case, but looks like the 360 can do well enough at the moment. So 360 now, PS3 later doesn't sound like too bad of a plan to me :)
    • pathy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The textures reaaaally won't be that different in size from 720p to 1080p. Although there could be an increase, but meh...

      You've got the RAM amounts on, the reason the 360s way is better is just logicaly, there's more avaliable to what it needs. A racing game doesn't exactly need to store a lot (It has to store a fair bit mind), of statistics and such, positioning, etc, etc, the levels are fairly basic, the handling of the cars... it doesn't add up to a whole lot. This leaves more than the PS3's 256MB avaliable to use it for higher resolution textures and such, which add a lot to the look of the game.
  • merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The 360 looks better IMO...
    The only thing that looked wrong with the was the contrast, it almost looks like the camera settings were changed.
  • isthisnametaken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1so this is dead
  • stubear, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Two problems with this comparison. First, these are photographs of a TV so any color comparisons are not worth the time and effort. Second, this is a comparison of RR6 for the XBOX360 and RR7 for the PS3. Let's see a comparison of RR7 for the XBOX360 and RR7 for the PS3 before we pass judgment.
    • sarusa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2RR7 = RR6 for the PS3. They're pretty much the exact same game. As you can tell from the side by side screenshots.
  • trubbleshute, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Vandread said
    "And it will still take a while for PS3 developers to get all the power out of the cell, just like it took a few years for people to take full advantage of the PS2's emotion engine."

    Dude, Sony put its eggs in the basket of HD gaming. They lost, most people who don't own a 360 will get a Wii, and then when they get a nice HD television they will buy the PS3 for the "ultra-premium-experience" but until then there really isn't a big reason to buy one.

    I plan on buying one, in about 3 or 4 years, when the console is cheap and the games are in the $5 bin at the local gameshack. I'll play them on my new HD TV, but right now what's the point in buying stuff I won't be able to use?
  • pauleku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wasnt even aware that it was coming out for 360. Looking at the screenshots, the 360 version looks obviously better.
  • NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm split. The sky in the 360 version is over-saturated, and the whole scene looks unreasonably dark for a day with such a seemingly strong sun. I'd say the PS3 version is mostly better, but I'm willing to believe that's due to programming differences not hardware limitations.
    • knodi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't forget 360 version is over a year old and PS3 only got released 3 days ago.
  • cebbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I think the car looks better on the ps3, but the 360 wins overall.

    In my computer graphics class, a rep from EA told us how they have a tool that can compile ea games for both the xbox and ps3. Technology like this means that games couldn't possibly look great on either machine. I think games that are developed for a specfic machine will look much better than the cross-platform games.
  • evanreiser, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Here is another screen shot comparison from a different source

    http://microsoftisawesome.blogspot.com/2006/11/ps3-vs-xbox-360-screen-shots-update-2.html
    • tylerjames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4that comparison is bogus
      check out all the comments underneath
      xbox360 vs sega saturn? yay
    • dpmcalli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, some people need to adjust their sarcasm meters!
  • tylerjames, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3i dunno....

    i found that in some of the shots the 360 looked better, but in some of the shots the ps3 looked better, i'm surprised it went back and forth like that... i think the ps3 definitely looks better in those two giant pictures at the bottom.... .but then again they both look weird where the texture wraps over the rock formation.....

    i know it's cool to bash ps3 these days, but i really hope they're able to make something of this system.. i don't give a ***** about sony or microsoft, i just want to see some really excellent games
  • dsnow77, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3PS3 Looks a lot better IMO. The 360 looks really dark and muddy.

    There are some good discussions about it here:
    http://www.ps3network.com/forums/index.php
  • rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Come on, guys.

    The art is more or less the same for both. What we see as differences are mostly within the game runtime.

    And I like the PS3 HUD better - I was taught that you do not use more typefaces and styles than neccessary, specially when you are trying to convey information.
  • Microdot, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5wow... are we all looking at the same images???????

    the 360 is pixelated. the ps3, not even half as bad. hands down winner here, no room for discussion, ps3.

    you 360 fanboys are loosing your damn mind.
  • Potcaster, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Here is the webpage in english. For those of you who do not understand Spanish (Like Me).
    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://dreamgamers.blogcindario.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://dreamgamers.blogcindario.com%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DG
  • fourzerofour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Cool, let's compare scenery in a racing game... not, let's have a look at the cars. I would rather have more polys on the cars than in scenery.
  • tylerjames, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I think it's remarkable how many people think the word "lose" (losing, loser, etc) is spelled "loose"
  • danielmc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0How crap do Sony want to make games the miss the thing like scenery and thats what we look for screw the car i want to see the environment of the game
  • benn0280, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I could be wrong.... its happened before, but the first image looks like the PS3 and Xbox TVs are above one another, in the same photo, taken at the same time.... perhaps the ***** colors on the xbox is simply because the TVs aren't calibrated right? And the same goes for the PS3... I'm just throwing it out there....
  • xxdesmus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Wow, and the PlayStation 3 looks like ***** ...gee, there is an obvious news flash...

    The Xbox 360 absolutely dominates the PS3 in this game (and I have a feeling we'll be seeing this in plenty of other games.)

    Go ahead, digg me down my wonderful Sony fanboys.
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