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- adharris, on 10/12/2007, -10/+41First, let me get it out of the way that I have read all the books in the Left Behind series and definitely classify myself as a Christian. That said, I want to remain as objective as I can with this.
I'm not sure about the validity of the article. For those of you who didn't RTFA, it pretty much states that this is a game about the period of Tribulation after the second coming of Christ (the story presented in Revelations) where the player takes control of an army of believers with the goal "to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians"
Being a fan of the books, I was shocked as I read this. But then I dug a little deeper. I went to the developer's site (www.leftbehindgames.com) and read a couple of previews of this game. (the developers site has a Video of ABC news covering the game at e3) Pretty much this game is an RTS where the main motive is to convert the opposing army as opposed to killing them (from the ABC clip killing makes you lose points) From everything else i have read other than TFA, it seems like the article went over the top.
That being said, I want to express my concern as a Christian about this. Despite them making it "Star Wars Violence" (no blood etc.), it still paint a crusade like us vs them picture, which while technically is accurate when viewed against the Christian end of time mythos, does a lot to counteract the message of love, peace, and kinship that is projected in the teachings of Jesus and in many churches today. It will, in my opinion, only go to further the hate between religion in the world today. You can't convert anybody to your beliefs just by yelling at them. - giveaphuk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38mindless violence in gaming is fine with me... it's when you start combining violence with religion & ethics that things start to get really scary..
- LawLSUVA, on 10/12/2007, -23/+48Is Islamic terrorism is completely against the message of Islam? Here are some quotes:
1. "Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are the unbelievers." (The Spoils: VIII: 55)
2. " Certainly, God is an enemy to the unbelievers . " (The Cow: II: 90)
3. "Oh ye who believe! fight those of the unbelievers and let them find in you harshness." (Repentance: IX: 123)
4. "Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute." ( Repentance IX: 29 )
5. "Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters [infidels - i.e.:non-Muslims] wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush" (Repentance, IX: 5)
Jesus never talked about killing non-Christians, but rather talked about loving your enemies. - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -8/+31"I find this story pretty hard to believe considering it is opposite of the message of Christianity. The author makes some very misleading analogies, and takes alot of liberties in his report."
Hey, Islamic terrorism goes against the message of Islam, too. It's not a new concept. What makes it so hard to believe? - nitsuj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19The end game sequence features you and your Christian followers stood at the gates of heaven. The gates slowly open to reveal.... Vishnu, Brahama and Shiva laughing at you.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+22It'd be funny if it gets a MP mod. We could let the Muslims, Jews and Christians fight it out online and whoever wins gets Palestine.
- bolero421, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17You, my good sir, are an idiot. The United State's first public libraries, schools, and hospitals were all conceived of by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, whom I'd hardly call christians. Today, the vast majority of those institutions are under the control of the states.
- CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@misfit: Your comment was made pretty much worthless by use of ad hominem attacks, poor analogies and other logical fallacies.
The majority of muslims are law-abiding, peaceful people. Not all mad mullahs, as the sensationalist press would have us believe. Muslim scholars made big advancements to science in the past, and there are a lot of muslim organisations out there doing work for the poor and their community. Of course, this doesn't fit the stereotype so isn't considered news. IIRC there is a duty in Islam for followers to give 10% of their yearly earnings to charity.
Similarly, most Christians are peaceful law-abiding people. But when a white Christian plants nail bombs round London, deliberately aimed at killing blacks (Brixton), gays (Soho), and asians (Brick Lane), his religion isn't an issue and doesn't get blamed. When Christians make death threats against supermarket owners and managers due to DVDs being sold that they consider blasphemous, it doesn't make the news in the same way it does when Muslims make death threats over cartoons of the prophet. Strange that...
Remember, we are at war with Islam, we have always been at war with Islam. - shadcrkd, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17"The game rewards children for how effectively they role play the killing of those who resist becoming a born again Christian."
Jack Thompson is going to have a field day. - rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -13/+24Fundamentalism have always been about power. Religion is a convenient excuse and a propaganda tool.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@Law.
If you actually look up REAL translations of those quotes, you will find them surrounded with disclaimers, including the belief that Christian and Jewish people and nations are close allies, not enemies.
I also suggest that you don't look to the internet for unbiased translations ;).
1. The Spoils: VIII 53 - 57
"God does not change the blessings he has bestowed upon men until they change what is in their hearts. God hears and knows all. Like the Pharaohs people and those before him, they disbelieved in the Lord's revelations. Therefore we will destrol them for their sins even as We drowned the Pharaoh's people. They were wicked men all. The basest creatures in the sight of God are the thaithelss who will not believe; tose who time after time violate their treaties with you and have no awareness of God." '
- Fundamental Message: God will punish those who do not believe, and do not follow their treaties, for their sins.
2. The Cow II:81-91
"And now that a book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it, although they know it to be the truth and have long prayed for help against the unbelievers. God's curse be upon the infidels (those who aggresively disbelieve). Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelations."
- Fundamental Message: God will punish those who do not believe, and do not follow their treaties, for their sins.
3 & 4 - Book of Repentance.
To set the scene: The Muslim army has just formed, and is 12,000 strong. The Meccan army is 4,000 strong. The Meccans are defending Mecca, built by Abraham as the first place of worship, and they have filled it with Idols. The Muslims are going to try to reclaim it for God.
God sends the message (IX:29) "Fight against such of those of whom the scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and his apostles (Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Abraham) have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."
And later, "Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you, and deal firmly with them. Know that god is with the riteous"
- Fundamental Message: A war needs to happen, but when you win, don't kill them all, just tax them and make them second class citizens
5. Repentance, IX: 1-6
Set the scene: They are declaring an ulitmatum to their enemies. This is a new concept, usually, in these parts, the enemy is slaughtered without forgiveness. Giving the enemy terms was unheard of.
"A declaration of immunity from god and his apostle to the idolateors with whom you have made agreements. For four months you shall go untouched in this land. In that time, you will not escape God's Judgement. Proclaim to the people: God and his apostle are under no obligation to the idolators. If you repent (convert), it shall be well with you. If you do not, you will not escape judgement. Proclaim Woeful punishment to the unbelievers, except those who have honoured their treaties (are not enemies) to you. With these, keep your treaties. God loves the righteous. When the sacred months are over, slay the enemies wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and ambush them. If they repent, free them. God is forgiving and merciful."
- Fundamentally, this was a new way of fighting a war. Let the enemies flee, let them convert, or kill those who stay, and TELL them? It was unheard of!
What people don't seem to get about the Koran is that it is a historical document outlining instructions given to Mohammed by God, and that to actually extract faith out of it requires interpretation. That interpretation simply can't be delivered through translation. It's impossible, because at the end of a day, any instruction that is used as a basis for faith is a double edged sword. So people who translate spread rumors that there is hatred in the religion will do so. It's also important to remember that extracts from the Koran are some of the most violent messages, and aren't representative of the entire book. - Gills, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Here's to Christians who missed the point and ignore the teachings of Christ
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17***** *****. the schools, librarys and hospitals in my area are built by the state. the only ones that aren't are private centers which cost a fortune to attend/be admitted to and are far out of the reach of most people.
"if you think a game of such a concept is actually MADE BY CHRISTIANS"
rtfa, it's produced by a christian evangelist.
i owe your pathetic religion nothing, and how dare you suggest anyone does. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14also, am i the only one the gets the irony of this? for years fundies have campgained against violent video games.. only to produce one of their own.
so it's ok if it's christians doing the killing "in the name of god"? - FreyrVanir, on 10/12/2007, -17/+26Why does a GOD needed followers?
If your the master of the universe, why do you care if people worship you. It would be like the gap between a human and a ant. Do you even notice that there are ants around you. Is it ego? If it's ego does a GOD like that even deserve to be worshiped.
Thats why I dislike religion in general when I hear ***** like this. Most religions are about control and power with a us or them attitude and a threat that horrible things will happen to you, if you don't step into line. Christianity or Islam different name, same message, us or them.
We humans are only here for less then hundred years, Instead of building a future of peace and prosperity for our children we build as society of hate, violence, intolerance and death. Why? Power? Wealth? Remember all power corrupts in the end. - Flooq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@Veretax: I'd call those fictional.
- Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+21to LawLSUVA: The political agenda of the people making the game is relevant in the context of an overtly political game. The author may be biased, but he provides plenty of links to back up his words. You may find it hard to believe, but it's true.
- wthnow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12This is Not the way to show people how God/Jesus cares.
- vigil, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14@Law
While we're on the topic: (and going with "theone" on this one)
"Christian terrorism is against the laws of Christianity?"
1. "But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over
them-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." [spoken by Jesus
as a parable] (Luke 19:27 NRS)
2. They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
3. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
4. Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
All quotes can be taken out of context, or incorrectly translated. Lets not be naive enough to assume one religion is innocent and the others guilty. - blackice39, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This is the most blindy guided character assasination I have ever seen. The author was so uninformed it's not even funny. I read the whole thing and the fact of the matter is that Rick Warren Developed a beautiful business plan. It was one of strategy, intelligence, and is very open to all faiths. THe fact is that Hitler had a good plan to build an army. He started training young. The problem was not the plan..the problem was the fact that he was a psychopath and that he used it for evil. I have actually read the purpose driven life...I can assure you...Mr. Warren's plan is not meant for evil. it speaks nothing of taking over countries or killing infidels...The only thing it talks about taking is taking back a boring and mundane life. The principles that are put forth in this book are actually universal to al religions and THAT is why it ranked on the New York times best sellers list for weeks on end. How about we become informed before we start flaming somone we know nothing about? Is that not our right?
Truth-Be-Told, all of us have somone in our life that is loosely associated with us that we do not agree with. We, however, can not go and change them. For them to say that Rick is Carver's Boss is obsurd. THE NETWORK DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT!!!! Churches simply join it. There are literally thousands of churches in this poorly misrepresented network.
The reason that Mr. Warren's network even exists is to simply equip smaller churches on how to do chruch right. They just send them teaching materials and send out teachers that teach based on the principles of the book "the purpose driven life."
Don't be so ridiculous...Just so people don't get me wrong, I think this game is heresy and should be condemned by all people of all faiths because it is the poorest representation of Christ I have ever seen. (whether you believe in him as your saviour or not is irrelavent) He was historically proven to be a man of the poeple, he was full of compassion, and he bled and died a death that no dictator would. A military minded crazed dominionist would not die the death that he did.
If Jesus Christ was so violent and wanted his people to take over like this then he would have done that, but he lived a life of love and compassion and told his followers to do likewise...it's clearly said right in the bible.
In Mark 12:33 Jesus is asked what the greatest commandment is. he simply replies "To love God with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
Jesus hated religion. He says loving somone is more important than some religious set of rules ( a.k.a."all burnt offerings and sacrifices").
In closing, Jesus said that the greatest thing you can do is love God and Love people. He never siad what kind of people. he never said "love them if they love you" or "love them only if ytou are the same". No, Jesus called us to love people no matter what race religion or creed. His very life was a testament to this. He came that all people might have freedom. Whether you believe in him as your saviour or not is not the issue...I am simply saying that he said in John 10:10 "The thief (Satan) comes only to steal and kill and destroy; but I have come that you may have life, and have it to the full."
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying this game is by any means okay. I am a christian and the fact is that this is just pure herasy. Everything about the game makes me SICK! THat's why i am even posting this much. I just want everyone to be informed that the author of this article was just angry. As he should be. He should be angry that this type of game is being made...At the same time though...he should not pull down great men like Mr. Warren that are simply trying to help people live a life outside of the mundane. he is simply responding to the call that "there must be more to life than this". There is. And he is helping people realize this through Godly teaching. That is why countries are calling him in to equip people to help people. His so called "foot-soldiers" are simply people that realize this. That is all. They are just people that know there's more to life.
Cheers!
::Matt - madmack, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@LawLSUVA:
I'm a muslim, and these versus that you extracted are completely out of context.
Christians did use the same versus from the bible when they launched their crusade missions in the 11th century. Just like Jesus was forgiveful and merciful, we have plenty of versus in the Qur'an showing how Mohammad, when asked what to do with the captives of the war, these people that betrayed him and humiliated him, asked them to be set free, and to forgive them.
Unfortunately, in this world we live in. you can use religion as a peaceful and loving religion, or very violent for killing and serving your own purposes. both Islam and Christianty have versus of violence, peace and forgiveness. they afterall came from the same place, and believe in the same god, and prophets. It comes down to how you use these versus, when, and for what purposes. - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@law
The very fact that you are confusing Islam with 'the nation of islam' - a group that purports to be Islamic, but is widely considered as entirely seperate, demonstrates your ignorance. And thus, your unfair dismissal of the religion of 1.5 billion people as extreme and militant is flawed at a base level. My "Interpretations" are direct quotations from one of the world's most acclaimed Koran translations - A translation by N. J. Dawood. The ONLY place I seem to be able to find your translations are desperate fundamentalist Christian or Aetheist websites bent on damaging the reputation of a religion fundamentally based on concepts of peace, love and equality. Your concept of 'most Muslims' is misguided. If 1.5 Billion people truly believed in such violence and hatred, then there would be no United states, and no civilised society to defend.
The truth is that there are fundamentalist whackjobs in all societies and their supression is always going to be vital to society as a whole. Your views are based on concepts and evidence that have forged in order to create hatred between Muslims and Christians, rather than hard facts. If you were truly interested in the real religion, you would seek out the truth about what 1.5 billion people really do believe. - stonebear, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14The real matter is not the theme of the game, but whether or not it sucks. Seems like anything which came from those people would just about have to.
- datagod, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13"Why does a GOD needed followers?"
Let me as you this: Why do people want their children to love them? Why don't we all just get dogs, they seem to love us unconditionally...
We (most of us anyway) have a desire to love and be loved. God created man so that we would love Him, and that so He could love us. And He is more above us than we are above ants...the gap is bigger than you suggest. Afterall, we did not and cannot create ants. God created the entire Universe. - CiXeL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11im a christian myself. this is an extremely foolish game to create. how long before a game comes out in response to it where you get to kill christians or feed them to lions. you gotta love how so many christians these days seem to forgotten the whole ten commandments thing especially the thou shalt not kill. i didnt see any fine print or exceptions under those commandments. oh yeah and that whole forgiveness thing with jesus? bah we dont need that. christians are acting like anything but christians these days. =/
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"We humans are only here for less then hundred years, Instead of building a future of peace and prosperity for our children we build as society of hate, violence, intolerance and death. Why? Power? Wealth? Remember all power corrupts in the end."
Who are you pointing at with this statement, I understood it to be all religions...? There are plenty of people (certainly not all of them Christian) who leave developed countries to work in third world countries, giving their lives (I don't mean to the death but certainly that can happen) in an effort to make better lives for their fellow man. Are you doing something to help the people around you, your community even (I'm not pointing fingers; it's more rhetorical than anything).
You ask why a god (God) requires worship. Look at this from the standpoint of someone with faith. This God they believe in created the universe and everything in it. He gives them food, water, and air to breathe. Worship is a way of giving thanks. If you did all this (and more) for the people you created, wouldn't you like to hear a word of thanks once in a while?
And who are you to question what God requires. How can you understand him, being only human. Can you understand how the universe was created? Who does?
"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight." - themacx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11this is stranger then the American Army Game... scary stuff.
- tommasz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Since Catholics are Christians, exactly what are they converted into?
- blackcanoflysol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I think the funny thing is a Christian can cause an uproar about the Da Vinci Code but things like this can come out, no matter how it offends anyone else.
It's a disturbing game, and it goes along with the concept of teaching our children, epecially since the game features a young 13 year old. Do we want children running around anyone who opposes or does not follow Christianity? This whole game is a load of bs... It is real? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15'After turning the other cheek, blow the *****'s head off with a double-barrel'.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I completely agree with this. The Jews have had enough painful experience recently enough that they're not afraid to get their hands dirty. The ADL and JDL are perfectly willing to mix it up with axehandles in the alley if they have to.
Watch this game get all kinds of justified bad press.
The great thing about this crap is it exposes christianity as a hate group. - johnnygizmo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6As a Christian, I find this game rather disturbing, not so much the game itself, but trying to pawn it off as 'Christian'. The authors certainly don't represent me. You do not convert people as a foot soldier. People come to know Christ through the example of those who trust in him and follow his teachings. It is about relationships, not forced conversion at gunpoint.
If you want to make a game, go ahead, but don't try to tell me it is some kind of end times training or some nonsense like that.
I think a true 'conversion' game would better fit a "Sims" model rather than an shooter. - m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I have always found it funny that Christian fundamentalists have always gone the opposite direction to the actual teachings of Christianity (ie: love thy neighbor, etc). When it starts going to these extremes, it starts to get scary. Who knows what this might do to the kids of those fundamentalist whackos. Of course, the majority of violent games have been found to have little actual affect on children, but when it's coupled with an ideolistic message (convert or kill the infidels), something that is paralleled by their upbringing in a fundamentalist church, those kids may end up on an actual crusade. I'm not saying it will happen, but it could. This game has the potential of causing more harm than any other that I've seen on the market. As a parent, I hope it gets banned, shut down, taken out, etc etc...
- ftldelay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6As a born-again Christian, I am utterly appalled by this game. It goes against everything that TRUE Christianity stands for. It's not "thou shalt not kill, unless it's an infidel". No one has ever truly been converted to any religion by threatening them with their life. It doesn't matter what period of time this game is supposed to happen in. God's Word never changes, so if it's wrong today, it will be wrong tomorrow!
- Carnag3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Very good adharris! well said, I'm an Aussie, and a christian, I read the books, wasn't the biggest fan, but yer, not a good reader, This is a pretty controversial subject and I dont agree with this game at all, It seems to oppose what we believe, anyways, if people want a place to debate this further, me and another guy run a forums with a christian section on it if u wanna talk bout that stuff, www.youthwar.com, feel free to join, (u dont have to be a christian).
Ending note, its sad that people go out and do stuff like this and give Christianity all these religious annotations (i think its the right word), what right do we have to force somebody else to believe in Jesus, a God, or that he died for us :S? Yes as a christian, id love to see people get to know my Savior, but i will never force somebody or put it in there face, oh and the God who this game is 'serving' or whatever, is not the God I know!
Sorry if this offended anyone, not trying to advertise my site, trying to provide a service :D, Nick - danielryan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love all the people who say this shouldn't matter because it's just another video game. But it's not; this is one being backed by the fundamentalist right. They're nuts and what's worse their PR machine is amazing. All of the people in this thread saying no way LaHaye (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/5939999/reverend_doomsday/) would be involved in this, he is the poster child for Dominion Theology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology). This is that idea played out. These people want a new crusade, they're hoping for it. Fundamentalism is dangerous no matter what religion its attached itself to. The idea that you somehow hold a better understanding of God is at the core of the world's conflicts.
- Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This is a game that should never have been made, indeed, it's a game concept that should never even been brought to the table. When it comes down to it, this is no different than the MOD's to first-person shooters that allow for Islamic children to bring down virtual Jihad against their enemies. People should know better, Christians should know better...and most do. This is just an attempt to cash in on the more ignorant ones, a number that would appear to be on the rise. I'm frankly disgusted.
- solidcube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, because christians are responsible for far more death, destruction and mental slavery than any other group.
- toomuchgreentea, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Quote: "Pretty much this game is an RTS where the main motive is to convert the opposing army as opposed to killing them"
So how do you suppose they do that in the game? Do they stop those walking around and talk to them, or do they knock on doors with a Bible in hand?
It's simply hypocritical for them to say (and stupid to believe) that this game isn't about "shoot-em up" and "kill-em all". I say this game has gone way too far. - Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@thinkbox
Wrong. Technically, "infidel" means "unfaithful one" and can be used to refer to anyone who does not share a particular faith. Dictionary.com defines it as "An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam." The fact that the word is of latin origin (unlike jihad or fatwa) should be enough to refute an "islam-only" interpretation. - fartingbob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Seems like a fun game. You can play as the anti-christ as well (which i expect most people will do..) and a kind of not-as-good GTA style game.
Of course, the fact that its being used to try and convert people to christianity seems bizarre, it is more likely to encourage rascism than being a christian. Still, blame parents who buy this game for there kids. - ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Bart: Got him!
Rod: No, you just winged him and made him a Unitarian. - cshldoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm waiting for the Hot Coffee mod before buying this one, though...
- Terjon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, well the issue is really not in the rating. The ESRB is gonna have a field day with this one. They'll need a whole new stupid category for this game. Extreme Religious Violence, Extreme Anal Retentive Bigotry. The box for this one should say "Warning, your children may engage in acts of religious warfare in the name of Christ or the AntiChrist. You're retarded for even considering buying this for them."
- brandonking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4OMG! I need this game! Not because of the blowing away the infidels part, but this:
"You can be the Christians blowing away the infidels, and if that doesn't hit your hot button, you can be the Antichrist blwoing away all the Christians!"
OMGOMGOMG I would be SUCH an ***** if there was a PvP mode! ("You jerk! You're supposed to read them Leviticus 2:34... Ahhh You're stabbing my eyes!") - suppazone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Bicx
Stop waisiting your time. We are all going to hell anyway. If you are not a Christian you are going to Hell, if you are not a Muslim you are going to hell, if you are not...
You can't devote yourself to all religions - hence you loose. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14"How many people have died from the Bible as opposed to the Karma Sutra?" - Frank Zappa.
- omnithought, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pablo Escobar also built schools, churches, etc. Yet he was still a ruthless murderer.
- Mr.Ortiz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As the guy who posted this story, I'm surprised it took so long to someone to make that point. The GTA series is meant to be taken as fantasy; pure, mindless fun. This game, while superficially similar, has an overt political agenda and is being created and marketed by people who won't hesitate to tell you that they are actively trying to create a world-dominating Christian theocracy in preparation for the return of the Messiah and the End of Days. This game (and the money they make from it) are just one of the ways they're making it happen. The guys at Rockstar are just looking to entertain and make a (lot of) buck(s). The difference may be lost on those who will play both games just for fun. The rest of us, even if you don't play video games, should be VERY concerned about this game and the people behind it. Read the article, they've already had too much success to just ignore.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"That's no more ironic than to see people who have consistently defended ever more violent video games suddenly getting all up in arms when supposed Christians produce one."
It's not so much that Christians produced a video game. Heck, they've produced them before, and that wouldn't get this kind of reaction. It's that Fundamentalist Christians produced a highly discriminatory video game that directly attacks ethnic and religious groups. I'm certain that a game like "Doom 4: Attack those ***** Jews*" would get similar reactions
*(no specific connotation intended, it would apply to any group) -
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