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Call of Duty 4 Outsells Super Mario Galaxy

advancedmn.com — NPD Group today released sales data for the month of November 2007, and Call of Duty 4 outsold the biggest name in video games.

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  • Adonai, on 12/15/2007, -19/+155I'm not sure how to really interpret this. On one hand, Call of Duty 4 was on sale nearly a full week more than Super Mario Galaxy and available on a much larger install base (roughly 9 million 360's in the Americas vs. roughly 7million Wii's). Call of Duty 4 also has very high scores (like Galaxy, although perhaps not THAT high) and was very well received even when coming in a month chock full of tons of other releases and having to live in the shadow of Halo 3.

    On the other hand, you would think that Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo's flagship title for the year, would sell more copies. Don't get me wrong, it did well, and it's not like saying it was beaten by Call of Duty 4 is a bad thing by any means. But maybe this just shows us that Nintendo is really cultivating 2 different audiences at once: the hardcode gamer who salivates over more normal games like Mario, Zelda, Guitar Hero, etc, and the "casual" gamer who isn't really interested in these but does play Wii Sports, would purchase Wii Fit, maybe Forever Blue, etc. The fact that Mario put up nice numbers shows that the Wii is still able to sell high quality "normal" games and won't suffer from its more "casual" audience.

    Personally, I find it much more interesting that Guitar Hero III sold more on Wii than it did for 360 (with the PS2 install base being so large, it was no surprise to me that it sold the most copies of GHIII).
    • rishubhav, on 12/15/2007, -18/+39I don't think it means much, since you have to take into account that the "hardcore" gamers will have been salivating over this game for months and will have got it as soon as it came out.

      For the more "casual" gamers on the other hand, they will probably eventually pick up Galaxy, but they weren't eagerly anticipating its release - that's what makes them casual.
      Within a year, Galaxy will have had better sales...
      • xTRUMANx, on 12/15/2007, -33/+8Your second paragraph makes little to no sense.
      • Crosshare, on 12/15/2007, -8/+7Bingo, hit the nail on the head.
      • estvir, on 12/15/2007, -14/+5I guess that indicates the small amount of 'hardcore' gamers on the Wii and I sincerely doubt SMG will outsell CoD4 in the long run.
        • InitialDMP5, on 12/15/2007, -8/+17I think you are wrong. Mario has outsold almost every game ever made. I don't think that Galaxy will be any different. Mario Galaxy is different that COD4 in that COD4 is more of a "flash in the pan" type of game. Yeah its hot right now, but last month Halo 3 was hot and before COD4 was Orange Box. Its like Hardcore gamers have severe ADD. They drop what was hot for the next big thing. They have no personal connection to the game and easily forget it.

          Mario on the other hand is a proven series that has lasted for more than 20 years. While people are playing COD5 or whatever shooter is popular 2 years from now, Mario Galaxy will still be played and more importantly, still being purchased.
          • grumbel, on 12/15/2007, -4/+4### Mario has outsold almost every game ever made.

            That was back in the day of the NES, today Mario still sells very good, but Pokemon, GTA and a few others regularly sell more.

            ### They drop what was hot for the next big thing.

            Well, duh, the XBox360 gets plenty of great titles, especially the last month. This ain't no Nintendo where you are stuck with the good titles for half a year since nothing else gets released.
      • nicko68, on 12/15/2007, -6/+1By your definition, I'm not casual then because I made sure to get SMG on release day.
      • CheezIt9109, on 12/15/2007, -1/+10"Within a year, Galaxy will have had better sales..."

        Should read:

        Within a a few months, Galaxy will have had better sales...

        I sincerely doubt CoD will stay on top for longer than *Halo 3*. Mario Galaxy on the other hand, will probably ride the top of the chart for a long, long time. Note the performance in Japan. It was not as well received as in America, but sales actually *grew* over time.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I think you've hit the nail on the head: a lot of Wii owners aren't hardcore gamers, and therefore aren't people who buy a new game as soon as it is released. It think it'll be interesting to compare post-Christmas sales figures of CoD 4 and SMG. I suspect Mario might have overtaken Captain Price by then.
      • spyrochaete, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3CoD4 is available on PC as well.
    • whatthefu, on 12/15/2007, -8/+20"Casual gamers" like Mario and Guitar Hero type games. Hardcore gamers are the ones who make Portal jokes when there are people who have no idea what the ***** the Orange Box is. But the two can transcend.
      • Syphon8, on 12/15/2007, -4/+21The cake is transcendent.

        Groin-grabbingly transcendent.
        • houndeyex, on 12/15/2007, -4/+3The cake is a lie. It will transcend nothing.
        • atomicknuckles, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3The cake transcends all.
        • GawtMilk, on 12/15/2007, -2/+1Dugg for Simpsons reference.

      • emjaymj, on 12/15/2007, -3/+17The people who make portal jokes when nobody knows when the people around them have no idea what Orange Box is are douches, not hardcore gamers.
      • MutatedNantuko, on 12/15/2007, -2/+9Yeah, making an "inside joke" around people that are not on the inside is considered being a major Douche, not a hardcore gamer.
      • ReXorcist, on 12/15/2007, -2/+10Wouldn't true "hardcore gamers" play every single game and not just FPS?
        • jaalin, on 12/15/2007, -1/+0well, you don't drop 2 grand on a gaming rig to play winterbells, thats for sure
          • SpeedyG, on 12/15/2007, -0/+7But what if I want 60 fps on my game of Super Bejeweled?!
      • Pikachelsea, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3Have you even played Super Mario Galaxy? It is a pretty tough game, and the mere fact that it uses the remote for waggle does not mean that it's intended for "casual gamers". When you get all 120 stars without breaking a sweat maybe then you can claim it's targeted toward anyone other than true gamers.
    • houndeyex, on 12/15/2007, -14/+42Anyone who has played Call of Duty 4 will tell you it's amazing. Anyone who's played the multi-player would probably rather do that than take the time to go to the store and pick of a copy of Mario. Call of Duty 4 is an incredible game. I'd say that's the reason why it's ahead.
      • Charlotte_Web, on 12/15/2007, -2/+16Really, it may have more to do with the audience for online multiplayer vs. the audience for single player mode.

        CoD4's single player campaign is supposedly very short, but reviewers rave about the online aspect.

        Mario has no online play; it's only a single-player adventure (or two person co-operative).
        • dronkmunk, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3Playing Cod4 on one of the upped difficulties (hardened or vet) will take some time. Trust.
      • MutatedNantuko, on 12/15/2007, -10/+2I've played COD4 single player and thought it was cliche, hard to follow for the first half, AI was horrible when unscripted, and stupid that the best damn level in the game (All ghillied up and the following level) had so little to do with the story. Sound was weak on my PC's Creative 5.1 surround, and the textures were kind of muted on my 8600 GT. So yes, I was disappointed with COD4. Multiplayer made up for a lot, but not a "9.4 a lot."

        For multiplayer I still player CS:S and TF2.
        • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1That's funny because on my 360 (whose graphics chip is, iirc, less powerful than than 8600) the textures looked spot on. Maybe you need to get your monitor fixed/replaced?
      • ElAssoWipo, on 12/15/2007, -5/+3I gave it a 7/10 rating.

        Aside from graphics and sound, it's not that great of a game.


        The hold your breath button for sniping is on the movement stick. It's very difficult to not move while using it, making it useless.

        There are just a few multiplayer maps and the max number of players is 18, but the maps are so small the game is barely playable with that number. Most people play 12 player games.

        You can't browse for servers and you can't host a public game. You can't decide which game you join.

        You can't kick a disruptive ***** from a server.

        The single player mode is the exact same thing as the first COD but shorter and with different weapons. Zero innovation there. All you do is follow some douche bag that attacks ennemies head on in a very opened area and then you shoot a seemingly unlimited amount of ennemies until someone rescues you. There is absolutely no freedom and no alternatives. You do what it says and you go where it tells you to go.

        It's really nothing special. I explain the high score with the fact that compared to the TERRIBLE games that keep getting released recently, it's not a complete ***** up.

        There's nothing special about COD4. It does nothing that has never been done in the past and it lacks many things that are simply useful and included in the vast majority of games since the late 90's.
        • iamaelephant, on 12/15/2007, -0/+5Every single one of your complaints could be rectified if you bought it for PC instead of a console. Just saying...
        • ElAssoWipo, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Agreed. But they could've still made it right for the consoles... A few more maps, a better controller layout and basic, regular mutliplayer options and I would've given it a 9.5.
        • dronkmunk, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Incorrect. Ton of updates got released today:

          http://www.destructoid.com/call-of-duty-4-getting- ...
          • ElAssoWipo, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Wow, that certainly disproved a point that was never made.
    • Noceous, on 12/15/2007, -4/+52The problem is that people who own the Wii aren't buying games. The attach rate (number of games owned per console) is around 3 whereas the 360 is over 8.
      • houndeyex, on 12/15/2007, -4/+30Everyone with a Wii thinks that Wii Sports will last them a lifetime.
        • kahlessreborn, on 12/15/2007, -4/+6And it lasted me long enough, until i bought galaxy. But then again I have a computer for msot of my gaming fun. the Wii is just to get me out of my damn chair.
        • theycallmebubba, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3I'd like to note that I still hold bowling tournaments with my whole family... and boxing is pretty much the best workout this side of DDR. Baseball kinda sucks, though...
        • PocketWatch, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3For everyone who thinks that, Wii Sports will last them a lifetime.
      • siddhartha1138, on 12/15/2007, -3/+9The Xbox 360 has been out longer and has more titles released than the Wii, it would be more acurate to compare the Wii per console sales to the PS3 which has been out about the same amount of time.
        • estvir, on 12/15/2007, -3/+5He compared attach rates, and the 360 has ALWAYS had a stellar attach rate. Hell, IIRC it broke some records in it's first few months. I believe the PS3's attachment rate is also not too bad these days and a lot better than the Wii's.
          • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -1/+14Last I saw the PS3 had an attach rate of 3.58 and the Wii had an attach rate of 3.44 (-4%). That's hardly a significant difference, although it is anemic next to the Xbox 360s 6.59 (not over 8 as the parent claims). Given the 360 has been out twice as long, I'm not sure the Wii is doing that poorly.
          • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -1/+5Oops, I meant to link my data: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardwa ...
        • Arcum, on 12/15/2007, -1/+0*****
      • Arcum, on 12/15/2007, -13/+2My PC has an attach rate of over 9000
    • lokoluis15, on 12/15/2007, -25/+14Thats because mario got very inflated fanboy reviews and is actually not that great of a game. 11/10? PERFECT!! "Best game ever" seriosuly...
      • siddhartha1138, on 12/15/2007, -7/+17play the game, then comment.
      • lokoluis15, on 12/15/2007, -13/+8I actually did play it, got all the stars,but was sad to find that people were considering it better than OoT. The game had really bad controls in some parts and was overall too easy, there are very few stars I had to try more than once, and none of the "hidden" ones were hard to find at all.. Mario 64 was leagues better, but I'm upset that galaxy got reviewed like the king of games when it was at best a good game, and on average an ok game.
        • JKVM, on 12/15/2007, -5/+8I agree. I thought I was the only one. I felt the linear nature of SMG was a step in the wrong direction after 64 and that the upside down and sideways controls were interesting and gimmicky but certainly not great. Not a 11/10.
      • siddhartha1138, on 12/15/2007, -0/+111/10 is a little over the top, that said its an exceptional console game, one of the most fully 3D games I've ever played. My only complaint is, like you guys already said, some of the levels are a little too easy.
    • FDL1, on 12/15/2007, -11/+8What? If Super Mario Galaxy was meant to play for both casual and "hardcore" audiences, shouldn't it have sold _better_ than the clearly hardcore shooter? I would note that Mario, Metroid, and Guitar Hero really aren't hardcore even compared to Halo.

      I think these sales shows that the majority of people buying the Wii are "opposite end of the spectrum" casual gamers and won't necessarily pick up any first-party release in its first month.
      • siddhartha1138, on 12/15/2007, -16/+2Hardcore gamers play on computers, and those hardcore gamers who can afford it buy consoles just for the killer apps; (GTA, HALO, MARIO, METROID) but consoles in general aren't for hardcore gamers. For me thats part of the appeal of the Wii, is that its not trying to compete with computer games, its actually distinguishing itself.
      • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -6/+4"What? If Super Mario Galaxy was meant to play for both casual and "hardcore" audiences, shouldn't it have sold _better_ than the clearly hardcore shooter?"

        No, since Nintendo lies when they say they target the hardcore. Targetting casuals excludes the majority (but not all) of hardcores
      • InitialDMP5, on 12/15/2007, -2/+7Also, how many people would have bought Super Mario Galaxy if they could actually find a Wii? Its really the luck of the draw when you walk into Target/Wal*Mart/werever. Most people who buy the Wii won't buy any other games. They are happy with showing off Wii Sports to their friends at cocktail parties.

        So maybe its Nintendo's own fault for limiting the potential buyers?
    • HaloZero, on 12/15/2007, -7/+2Wii wins becuase Wireless guitar > Xbox 360 controller - Rock band competition.
      • ScionX, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3the 360 has a wireless guitar....
      • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1No, Wii wins because its main audience is casual gamers and Guitar Hero is most popular amongst casual gamers.
      • joegibes, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Wii wins because WIi owners were starved for games, while 360 owners were still chewing on Halo 3 and other amazing games.
        • Pikachelsea, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2I'm not sure what universe you live in, but in mine I'm still playing Super Mario Galaxy and have other well-reviewed games such as Zack & Wiki that I'm interested in trying out.

          And you actually think that Halo 3 is amazing? Wow.
    • latova, on 12/15/2007, -1/+23In the end, who cares? Both games are successful, both games are fun.
    • Koushiro, on 12/15/2007, -11/+3I didn't even know there was a new Call of Duty game out. Oh well, back to World of Warcraft.
    • graemee, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1I haven't seen a 360 bundle since the week they went on sale in any store. WII bundles & PS 2 bundles I've seen, though the Wii bundles are scarce too. Activision is not making enough sales because they aren't making enough sets.
    • dsuther2, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I'm not all THAT surprised by this. If you really sit down and look at it, COD 4 has been discounted all over the place (see Amazon's current $40 sale). Since it has been like that all month, I am not overly surprised.
    • FoxOrian, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3I can't believe I read your comment substituting my own voice with Yahtzee's in my head.
      Awesome.
    • dan4prez, on 12/15/2007, -1/+5It makes sense that the Wii sold more GHIII than the 360 because most 360 users who would buy GHIII were probably waiting for Rock Band.
    • aggies11, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3Gotta remember Nintendo's Model with the Wii. It's not about first week/month sales, they are going for sustained sales over a long period. The traditional model (that Xbox360 and the like) are experiencing is that the majority of games experience the largest part of their sales upon release.
      So while COD4 may initially outpace Galaxy, I think it's safe to say that Galaxy has legs, and this game is fairly accessible to the Wii Demographic (Even my mom played Super Mario Bros). So it very well could end up outpacing COD4 in the long run.
    • tothemax64, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Couldnt it be that there are less Mario copies available to people? I mean... I dunno about you but all the stores around me have no copies because there all sold out but have plenty of COD4's....
  • HitnRunTony, on 12/15/2007, -27/+10I think COD 4 sold more NOW, cause like Adonal said, the 360 has a larger instal base. I doubt that it will continue to sell this high. In the long run, I think Super Mario Galaxy will keep selling, once Wiis are in more households.
    • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3The Wii passed the 360 in sales back in late August. It's leading by over 1.5 million right now.
      • Carnage83, on 12/15/2007, -7/+1Man, COD4 sold on 3 platform's nobody realizing this????????????? PC, PS3 and 360 how can Nintendo keep up with that?
        answer it cant.
        • c0dy, on 12/15/2007, -1/+7RTFA. The article refers to the 360 version of CoD4.
    • ladbroke, on 12/15/2007, -1/+6I'd actually agree with this. How many shooters are released a year versus Mario games? It's all personal preference, but I still play Mario Brothers 3, but I don't play any shooters older than 2003. FPSs might be the more dynamic market, but Mario's just classic, and it's got the staying power.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2But that should make it EASIER for Mario. Look at what CoD4 had to compete with: Orange Box (Team Fortress 2!) and Halo 3. Two of the most anticipated multiplayer games of the decade.
        • ladbroke, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Touché. I'm not saying it's not impressive, I'm just saying that just because it's not outselling CoD4 now doesn't mean it won't win out in the long run.
  • truspector, on 12/15/2007, -38/+18The PS2 outselling the PS3 during the holidays is not a good sign for Sony.
    • jacksons98, on 12/15/2007, -13/+33PS2 is a great system, for people on a budget or for kids it can't be beat. It's inexpensive and has a huge library of amazing games.
      Also Sony makes money on PS2 and both PS2 and PS3 are Sony products; so how is that bad? If you are trying to imply PS3 is doing poorly, try again because PS3 is outselling X360 worldwide.
      • KingGoonie, on 12/15/2007, -19/+8Jackson... PS3 is doing poorly, theres no way around that, and Japan isnt worldwide... last I checked in America and most of Europe (I believe France was the exception) 360 sells more per month then PS3..
        • jacksons98, on 12/15/2007, -10/+19PS3 is outselling X360 pretty much everywhere except North America. Also look at total sales. Microsoft sold 10 million units year 1 with no competition. Year 2 with competition from PS3 and Wii; X360 can't even break 5 million, PS3 is at 6million for the year and Wii at about 14million.
          Year 1 sales for X360: 10million
          http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=93188
          http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/may0 ...
          Total X360 sales: apprx: 14.56 million
          Year 2 sales for X360 = apprx 4.56million - I'll say 5million though so you don't feel too bad
          • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -6/+3You are completely wrong. The Xbox didn't sell 10 million in its first year--that article you link to was from May 2006, a year and a half after the 360 came out. The Xbox sold about 5.6 million in its first year, and about 7.5 million in year two.

            Who diggs jokers like this up?

            http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=Al ...
          • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -5/+3Digg the person with wildly inaccurate numbers up, and the person with the right numbers down? What gives? I know VGChartz doesn't have the best reputation, but the numbers are really close in this case. Feel free to prove I'm wrong.
    • truspect0r, on 12/15/2007, -12/+22The Xbox losing 4 billion bucks in 4 years is not a good sign for Microsoft.
      http://www.joystiq.com/2005/09/26/forbes-xbox-lost ...
      • Ajajadude, on 12/15/2007, -8/+14Well, to be fair, that article is over 2 years old.
      • lrdntwnd, on 12/15/2007, -3/+2Microsoft doesn't need the XBox division to make money. They make most of their profits elsewhere. XBox just allows Microsoft to extend their brand into another market. That's the whole reason it exists: Microsoft wants to own your media experience. So, if they can extend a hand from your office to your living room, that's all they care about.
        • Pikachelsea, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Nice try with the "they don't care about money" cop-out, but I don't believe any thinking person will accept that Microsoft of all companies isn't interested in getting as much of your money as conceivably possible. I suppose they're doing this whole Xbox thing for charity then, right? Ridiculous.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2Why would the PS2 outselling the PS3 be bad news for Sony? Estimates are that they make at least a $40/unit profit on the PS2, whereas they make a substantial loss on every PS3 sold.
      • KnockoutNerd, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3Whoa your like the opposite of truespector.
    • Ajajadude, on 12/15/2007, -6/+6Considering that new PS3's do not have full B/C, it kind of makes sense. Luckily, I bought a PS3 back in March, so I don't have to worry about whether or not all the PS2 games I have (and still play) will work with my PS3.
      • bejayel, on 12/15/2007, -4/+2buy an 80 gig one and take your FUD elseware.
    • mrfreeziexp, on 12/15/2007, -4/+13Sony makes money when they sell those PS2s, right? How is that bad for Sony?
      • Robbothehood, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3The PS3 has a lot of money going into it and if that doesn't pay off, then it will be bad for them. Nothing's bad yet, but if the PS3 can't start to overtake the PS2 as Sony's number one selling platform, then the incredible investment made into PS3 support will not likely be earned back, or at least, the likelihood of it turning a profit will be lower. I guess.
  • KingGoonie, on 12/15/2007, -21/+10Isn't galaxy selling more units at a quicker rate? So this is probably more do to a full week lead, then yea like everyone says the larger user base.... But I say by year end the numbers will even out or galaxy will be higher. Both are awesome games.
    • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -3/+4"sn't galaxy selling more units at a quicker rate?"

      No.
    • br0ck, on 12/15/2007, -1/+19IN THE US
      CoD 4 sold 1,570,000 and was released Nov 5 for 25 days or 62,800 per day
      SMG sold 1,120,000 and was Nov 12 for 18 days or 62,222 per day

      WORLDWIDE
      CoD sold 1,738,299 in 5 weeks for a total of 348,000 per week
      Mario sold 2,540,871 in 6 weeks* for a total of 423,500 per week

      *launched earlier in Japan - numbers from http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php
  • KingGoonie, on 12/15/2007, -20/+3And didn't I say Guitar Hero 3 would sell better on the Wii... I know overall its selling better on 360, or at least it sold better its first month of release... but I knew overall when its said and done the Wii Guitar Hero would have the most total sales, because it just suits the system so well, and peoples idea of the system.
    • mywhitenoise, on 12/15/2007, -4/+11#4 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (PlayStation 2) -- 967,000
      #9 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) -- 426,000
      • JayKeaton, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2It would be nice if the Wii version of Guitar Hero wasn't sold out everywhere. I wanted to pick it up on the Wii because I wanted a white guitar, but I was told it was sold out until at least after xmas. I had to settle for the 360 version instead :(
        • mywhitenoise, on 12/15/2007, -3/+4Why the ***** would you want the Wii version? Lack of DLC, and online multi-player, they also have mono tracks.

          I didnt know they were that rare. There were two at the EB I went to today, I should have bought one and resold it on craigslist.
        • KingGoonie, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1I want it for wii simply because it seems to fit better with that system, or the idea of that system.... Mono doesnt bother me because I have a regular standard TV (although 52 inches) with only mono sound.

          I haven't picked it up yet, not sure if I ever will... but as of now I am undecided because of the downloadable songs for 360. The wii version is cheaper by 10 bucks and is the system I associate it more with, but the 360 has downloadable songs, overpriced... but they got them, so now its a toss up. If we here news about wii getting downloads too, then I'll get it for that, if i get it at all.
      • KingGoonie, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1And I meant the 360/ps3/wii.... The Wii version is sold out EVERYWHERE, and honestly the 360 version has been too, I may have seen it once but I don't know... PS3 version is all over the place, but it is also selling now as went to a few stores today to get gift cards, and while the ps3 was the only version left in stores, there was only maybe 3 or 4 out of a display that probalby held like 20 or more.
  • Flacker, on 12/15/2007, -41/+13SMG - Wii exclusive
    COD4 - Pc,360,DS and Ps3.
    Offcourse it sold more. Mario still owns everything,though.
    • mattcoady, on 12/15/2007, -4/+16Do people even read articles or just come for the headlines? The outselling they are refering to is the 360 version alone. The fact that it's a multi-console game may even hurt the 360 total numbers because someone who owns x360, ps3, and pc may choose a non-360 version.
      • Yarkz, on 12/15/2007, -4/+0lol I was about to do something lazy like that, but then I saw he said it, and your reply that voids my comment.
      • billybob217, on 12/15/2007, -22/+0Ok.. I may be drunk... BUT if they are talking about the 360 alone; then, of course, the 360 OUTSOLD SMG because SMG isn't even freaking out the 360...
        Buried comment...
        • afx1, on 12/15/2007, -2/+18wow
        • xxbrighteyed, on 12/16/2007, -1/+1you're right, what a stupid article
        • KingGoonie, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1um... wow... I'm waiting for him to realize how stupid that statement was... like he will be sitting down eating his dinner and smiling to himself that he made this awesome point and then in the middle of his third bite it will hit him... "Wait a sec... how did over a million copies of Galaxy sell on the 360?"
      • MalDON, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I know for fact this is true. I bought the PC version on the basis that if I got it for 360 I would never get to play it as everyone else in my house would "Call dibbs"
      • doctorfungi, on 12/15/2007, -1/+4Exactly. If it weren't for my PC, I'd own COD4 on 360.
  • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -35/+21There is hope for gaming yet.
    • brainboy77, on 12/15/2007, -15/+2what do you mean? the fact that SMG didn't come out on top is a bit troubling. SMG is ranked 2nd all time. If anything, you'd think to buy that game.
      • artemus, on 12/15/2007, -6/+1Considering the sales of Sunshine, I'd say that Super Mario Galaxy is selling quite well, thank you. If the next Mario doesn't outsell Galaxy, THEN I'd say there is cause for alarm.
      • UtopiaInTheSky, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Why would I buy SMG? I don't own a Wii.
    • KingGoonie, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1Are people forgetting SMG is selling amazing... that both COD4 and galaxy are selling very well.... Thats like saying Star Wars had disappointing ticket sales because its not #1 on the all time list.
  • bdub92, on 12/15/2007, -44/+16This is a sad day that Mario is considered a game for gamers...Nintendo, don't get me wrong, the Wii is great; innovative, fun, but when you start to call games like Mario a game for the more "hardcore" gamer audience, you completely disappoint me...
    • BlueSkyfish, on 12/15/2007, -7/+18I don't know if that was a joke or flamebait or whatever, but you're about to get buried to hell. Mario is the original game for gamers.
    • MikeMania, on 12/15/2007, -5/+1What the HELL are you babbling about.
    • Blue_Eon, on 12/15/2007, -5/+24Let me ask you this: What makes a gamer hardcore? The fact that he plays FPS? To me a ,a hardcore gamer plays all type of games and doesn't care about genre or platform. I hate how hardcore has come to mean "only plays Mature Shooters". That's what is sad.
      • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -10/+6Hardcore means more than just being an FPS. It means advance AI/physics/multiplayer/audio/graphics/story. All things Nintendo tends to omit entirely. Sesame Street is for everyone, that doesn't make it for hardcore audiences. Beyond Good and Evil was a hardcore game. It had no sex, no blood, wasn't an FPS. And is still better than Even Nintendo's latest Zelda. Nintendo doesn't put enough actual effort into development. But that's the point of Wii.
        • heinousjay, on 12/15/2007, -2/+4Hahahahaha I get the feeling that the process of developing a game is a total mystery to you. Doesn't put actual effort in indeed.
    • schoate09, on 12/15/2007, -2/+6Why do people feel "hardcore" gamers must have "teh ubber graphix", and violence, or even a storyline. I like Mario/Nintendo games because they're fun and challenging, which is all a "hardcore" gamer needs. The Wii, IMO, has the most diverse selection of game genres of the three.
      • CurlyMike139125, on 12/16/2007, -0/+1Adding to that, Mario Galaxy has as close of graphics to "teh uber graphix" as the wii is ever gonna get.
        • schoate09, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2And it's more than satisfying for me. Even now that I have my own place for a little over a year, I still play my video games in my bedroom. My HDTV is in the living room, and the Xbox 360, along with the Wii and Dreamcast are still kicking on an SDTV, like the majority. Sure, I love the 360s graphics now and then, and it's got great games, but it's not all important, and the "Blood effects" make it no better.
    • OblivionMage, on 12/15/2007, -4/+1To clarify, hardcore would mean something that is not childish/lame with realistic graphics and something other then a plastic motion-censored control thing. Don't get me wrong, wii is great for what it is, but I really don't think that it is the be all and end all of gaming.
      • CurlyMike139125, on 12/16/2007, -0/+2That was the most steaming pile of retarded ***** I think I've ever read. The original Mario is hardcore, and it's a "kiddy game".
    • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1I've always thought that hardcore gamers were people who play for long periods at a time. Therefore typical WoW player: hardcore. Typical Runescape player: not hardcore. (note I'm not trying to start a WoW vs Runescape argument here, I don't play either)
  • Ashkc88, on 12/15/2007, -15/+10This doesn't really surprise me. The 360 caters to hardcore gamers who look out for the new releases whereas the Wii caters to casual gamers who usually wouldn't know when games are released (or they don't rush out to get the games right when they come out). My friends who aren't gamers (but own a Wii) didn't know the game was out when I told them last week. I have yet to buy Super Mario Galaxy since I'm low on money too (Super Mario Galaxy, Uncharted, and Mass Effect are the three AAA games I didn't get yet, I know I'm missing out). Also CoD4 was out one week longer than Super Mario Galaxy and the figures are pretty close.
    • hotdamn, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3dugg down for missing out on mass effect
      ;)
    • MutatedNantuko, on 12/15/2007, -0/+4Well said, dugg.
    • schoate09, on 12/15/2007, -2/+1Meh, I played through uncharted, you could skip it. If you want a PS3 game, get R&C: Future, much better
    • shawnanigans, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Dugg down for being low on cash but still owning 3 consoles. Or maybe that deserves a digg up, I'm not sure.
  • markbrown, on 12/15/2007, -28/+20In other news, Playstation 3 still sucks.
  • kitaljevich, on 12/15/2007, -7/+56knife + cod4 = massive win
    • joegibes, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Is yelling "FYI I AM A SPY" or "ASSASSINATION" into the mic after a knife kill appropriate?
  • ThinkFr33ly, on 12/15/2007, -6/+81CoD 4 is a great game, and is made greater by the incredibly addictive leveling system they use.
    • Azerael, on 12/15/2007, -15/+8Dugg you up for saying 'addictive' instead of 'addicting'.
    • diggrim, on 12/15/2007, -8/+3I didn't see anything Battlefield 2 didn't have
      • loudmouth11, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1i love battlefield 2 but it definitely doesn't have everything that COD4 has
        • Ellipsys, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1What exactly are you referring to? Both have unlocks, kits, ranks, and soldiers shooting each other. BF2 even has vehicles. What is it exactly that CoD4 has that BF2 doesn't?
          • xerus, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3A 4 instead of a 2. Therefore CoD4 is better.
      • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1The chance to create your own character class instead of just getting a new weapon for an existing character class. Don't get me wrong I loved BF2, but CoD4's levelling system is better.
    • VegaObscura3, on 12/15/2007, -1/+7I think the leveling system is stupid. FPS's are supposed to be about skill, not how much time you've spent unlocking things. Please stop encouraging the game makers to turn FPS's into MMO's.
      • GerrardIsLegend, on 12/16/2007, -1/+0Why? It's a great way to keep players involved in the game. The ability to level up, earn additions to guns by reaching certain goals, other challenges like boot camp that add even more.
  • OrGoN3, on 12/15/2007, -19/+9This means absolutely nothing, other than COD4 is a good game on multiple systems. If Nintendo actually had Wiis to sell, then Super Mario Galaxy would've beaten COD4 (most likely). Yes COD4 is on many systems so it has more potential buyers. But the fact remains that SMG is an amazing game, although a tad on the easy side, and if there were more people with Wiis, there would be more copies of SMG sold. Just like saying the PSP outsold the DS that one week a few weeks back (in Japan). Of course it would! Nintendo ran out of DSs in Japan!!
    • MalDON, on 12/15/2007, -4/+9If I'm not mistaken, there are more wii's in the homes of buyers than there are 360's.
    • DeadPain, on 12/15/2007, -3/+7"This means absolutely nothing, other than COD4 is a good game on multiple systems"

      Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Xbox 360) -- 1,570,000
      Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PlayStation 3) -- 444,000
      Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC) -- ??????

      That's probably at least twice as much as SMG and just using the XBOX numbers it outsold SMG

      "and if there were more people with Wiis, there would be more copies of SMG sold"

      durrrrr -- if there were more people with xbox 360, there would be more copies of COD4? I can say that right?? I mean, you did say it too :P
      • siddhartha1138, on 12/15/2007, -2/+1WTF do you mean durr? The numbers of units sold should be per 100k consoles, or some other standard number of consoles, otherwise the number of units sold is meaningless.
        • EtherGnat, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2Not to the people selling the games, every copy sold means more money. Why should we care? The games and systems that generate the most money determine what games will be made in the future.
      • klane, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3"durrrrr -- if there were more people with xbox 360, there would be more copies of COD4? I can say that right?? I mean, you did say it too :P"

        Yes, you can say that (and it's a true statement)... but his point is that there is a shortage of Wii's, whereas I can go find a 360 right now if I wanted to.
        • DeadPain, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2ok klane, see sid's reply to me, i think you guys are canceling each other out :P (think about it, there are more wiis out there than 360s meaning there should be more SMG games sold than COD4 games, but instead, it is the other way around)
  • petrodollar, on 12/15/2007, -12/+7How much do you think I can get for my 6 month-old Wii if I sell it on Craigslist on Christmas Eve?
    • mustbepatient, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I'd put it up now so you could ship it to the highest bidder. New systems are $450 or so on eBay right now.
      • petrodollar, on 12/15/2007, -10/+0Ship? I live in a real city. I'll let some desperate loser come to my house and pick it up on christmas eve so he can give his lard-butted children another reason to stay planted in front of the boob tube all day.
        • Myonosken, on 12/15/2007, -1/+8You're a fine example of human life.
    • cambob76, on 12/15/2007, -3/+15About 3 fiddy.
      • Retnuh730, on 12/15/2007, -2/+8IS DAT YOU, DAMN LOCH NESS MONSTAH?!
  • jivebotic, on 12/15/2007, -32/+29Is this news? Call of Duty 4 is the greatest game ever. Super Mario Galaxy is also incredible, but Call of Duty 4 ftw.
    • xerus, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2What the *****? Yeah, it had one ***** commercial on TV. Where as ... oh, I dont know, Halo 3 had ***** mini TV movies, a mountain dew flavor, pretty much an entire fake awards show devoted to it, and about 20 viral marketting campaigns. Mario beats that by a mile.
      • B1663r, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2Yeah, I miss game fuel, I wish they would bring the flavor back... And for all the negative things about Halo 3 marketing, it is not as bad as the deliberate payola that went on during the SMG review process... NOT BEST GAME OF ALL TIME...
    • joegibes, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2I've played both to death and I've come to the conclusion that the multiplayer and replay value of COD4 make it a MUCH better game than SMG. Mario is ok, but it's still just a mario game, while COD4 is an addictive, polished online shooter.
      • Pikachelsea, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2Uh, "just a Mario game" represents a standard that most games only wish they could one day aspire to.

        As for the online comment, there is nothing in SMG that lends itself to an online experience, so why include something that isn't necessary. And if you've gotten 120 stars then you know the game has a system in place for extending replay value.
  • buryyourhead, on 12/15/2007, -34/+19Why is this? Because the Wii is overrated.
    • buryyourhead, on 12/15/2007, -4/+5No wait I take that back. I should rephrase it to: "What the ***** else are Wii owners going to buy?"
      • joshman5k, on 12/15/2007, -2/+3wii sports!
        • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3Really? Wii Sports? The game which comes bundled with every console? Why would they want a second copy?
  • underburn, on 12/15/2007, -56/+46I know why - Because COD4 is a better game. Nuff Said.
    • walugi, on 12/15/2007, -10/+8Timeless Classic just like SMB, SMB64 on N64.

      History speaks so you stfu
  • Phocion55, on 12/15/2007, -13/+220In other news, apples outsell oranges.....thousands draw conclusions.
    • Dizaster, on 12/15/2007, -2/+4thank-you i needed a laugh during study break. not a epic larf but a good chuckle
    • n00854180t, on 12/15/2007, -19/+2More like, orange fans constantly brag about their superior orange sales to the severe boredom of all for over a year. Apples gain a higher attach rate and better overall profit than oranges, and neutral people and apple fans point out the fact to rabid, Mac-fanboy-esque orange lovers everywhere, simply to wipe the smug ***** eating grin off their faces. Orange lovers go home and cry because their oranges have shoddy gameplay, or are mostly ports from much better apples of by-gone eras.
      • aloomba, on 12/15/2007, -0/+11Kind of missed the point, haven't you?
    • smashingmonkey, on 01/24/2008, -1/+2Funny that you and I both posted about apples and oranges at basically the same time. I like the way you said it better though. :)
    • mattmoto, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2You win, sir, for having Charlie Day as your avatar.
    • daridave, on 12/18/2007, -0/+1Personally I bought both the apple and the orange. I love both. They taste different, but they are both sweet. I prefer oranges in the morning, apples in the afternoon. In other words, both games are GREAT and while I think Mario Galaxy is a greater achievement, I'm playing more of COD4 because I feel like I've been waiting for this KIND of game more. To Mario's defense though, if I have to guess which game I will still consider very fun and will probably revisit in a year's time, Galaxy wins.
  • dagamer34, on 12/15/2007, -10/+5The 2nd biggest shopping day of the year is still to come (Saturday before Christmas). Who'd like to bet that Super Mario Galaxy will sell a buttload of copies then?
    • estvir, on 12/15/2007, -4/+3And I bet CoD4 will too, thus we will have the same result as this story is telling us.

      Magical.
  • smashingmonkey, on 01/24/2008, -7/+46Apples and oranges. You couldn't find two more different games, aimed at two more different demographics. Much more interesting is that COD4 for the 360 outsold the PS3 version by 3.5:1.
    • freehunter, on 12/15/2007, -4/+13Not really, considering almost every reviewer said the 360 version had superior anti-aliasing and the like. I;m not sure what developers seem to be hanging on with the PS3, it has much more potential than they are giving it credit for. There's no excuse for shoddy ports, similarly to the Wii (although not so much graphics as opposed to controls).
      • n00854180t, on 12/15/2007, -4/+6A crackwhore has the potential to be a princess, but that doesn't mean she ever will be. You can't sell potential. How about some decent games? Besides, 360 has higher attach rate (since there are more and better games) and more consoles in the US than PS3 does. That explains the higher sales easily.
      • bCabulon, on 12/15/2007, -3/+8I thought it was the PS3 version had better anti-aliasing and the 360 version had better textures. Both look great.
      • smashingmonkey, on 01/24/2008, -3/+4Disclaimer: I am a multi-platform gamer, so I don't believe my opinions to be unfairly biased.

        Freehunter, with all due respect, I can't really get behind your logic. Most gamers don't have multiple systems and most gamers don't read reviews. I think it's less about choice and more about the 360 version outselling the PS3 version so dramatically because the 360 has a much larger install base, especially amongst shooter fans.

        As for potential, Sony made a system which is a bitch to program for and they haven't worked as hard as MS to give developers development tools. It shows in the end product. Eventually some devs will tap the potential of the PS3 and make some incredible looking games, but they probably won't be multi-platform titles.

        Regardless, I believe it to be less about the perceived differences between the versions and more about the install base.
    • Abno, on 12/15/2007, -1/+5Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't NPD numbers for North American sales only? And isn't the 360's install base about 3 times as much as the PS3's install base in North America? It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone at this point in time that it would sell a lot more units on the 360.

      I'm also curious where all these reviews are claiming the 360 version was superior. All the reviews I saw said both versions are equal (both at 94 on metacritic too). It was developed on all three platforms simultaneously, which is a key reason the PS3 version didn't turn out to be a "shoddy port", it's not a port at all.
      • schoate09, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3The 360s install base is also larger than the Wii in America too.
  • Phernoree, on 12/15/2007, -14/+2wii games are pirated significantly more so than PS3 or 360 games... so that may account for a little bit of the discrepancy.
  • xjoi, on 12/15/2007, -22/+5CoD4 = multiplatform
    Mario = Nintendo only

    Also known as: No *****?
    • calibration, on 12/15/2007, -2/+13Read the article.
      Call of Duty 4 (xbox 360)
  • GenoBaby, on 12/15/2007, -8/+26Who cares... if you like it... buy it... if you don't...don't buy it. I bought both and I'm happy. Any one who hasn't is missing out on either.
  • wasamonster, on 12/15/2007, -10/+4Its obvious why, Nintendo can't make enough Wiis to play the game.
    • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2Which is bad news since there are more Wiis than 360s in the hands of consumers.
      So Nintendo would need to sell a ton more wiis to match sales of significantly less 360s.
  • JayKeaton, on 12/15/2007, -14/+1So CoD4 sold about 300k on each platform it was released on, once you average it all out? 300k vs 1.1 million doesn't seem like anything to shout about.
    • FDL1, on 12/15/2007, -2/+5It sold 1.57 M on the Xbox 360 _alone_. 444,000 on PS3. FTA.
  • ferrariman60, on 12/15/2007, -10/+3Well, I haven't played super mario galaxy, despite the awesome hidden message on the front. But I'd be willing to bet that COD4 has a lot more sweet gameplay than SMG. COD4 is crazy cool, and the multiplayer is incredibly addictive, with the neat leveling system and all.
    • CWal37, on 12/15/2007, -5/+3So you haven't played SMG, yet still pass judgment? Eh, whatever, TF2's still a better multiplayer FPS anyways.
      • ferrariman60, on 12/15/2007, -5/+2Yeah, sure. Who doesn't pass judgement on things? At least I had full disclosure there. I haven't played it; but at the same time, I doubt that COD4 could be beaten in terms of pure awesomeness by any Mario game. You played COD4? That campaign was filled with "HOLY *****!" moments. so great. I didn't think, back in summer, that anything would give Bioshock a run for it's money- but COD4 did that, and more. For me, picking a winner between those two is very tough. And lol, TF2 is cool, but better than COD4? No way. It took too much out of the original concept to be a COD beater. COD actually has some original features and gameplay elements, and it's very addictive as a result.
        • CWal37, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I just said that I enjoy the TF2 multiplayer more, and that maybe you should play SMG before passing judgment.

          TF2 has actually been bashed quite a bit by certain long-time TF fans because of its ridiculous departure from the last game. It is a phenomenally different game, in reference to actual gameplay and graphical style. It certainly differs more than COD4 does from its predecessors, even taking into consideration the fact that it moved into the realm of modern warfare. Or maybe you're referring the COD series as a whole, you dropped the 4 so I can't tell, which actually makes your point laughable considering the glut of WWII shooters.

          Basically you could have just said that you enjoyed COD4 more instead of writing an inane comment that is mostly wrong.
    • zdiggler, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2COD4 got quiet a few SMG's in there as well.
  • sleeknerve, on 12/15/2007, -10/+7Call of duty has a huge install base, thats why
    They are both fantastic games though and both deserve to sell more that halo.
    • Tahiri, on 12/15/2007, -2/+6"Call of duty has a huge install base, thats why"

      And Mario doesn't?
      • Jadhar, on 12/15/2007, -4/+1Call of Duty has both xbox and ps3 to work with, while mario only has wii. While one can argue that yeah theres probably a ton more wii's then 360/ps3 the problem is that alot of those people aren't the people who are core gamers and probably wont buy mario/zelda/etc instead they'll fall for games like wii fit. However that problem doesn't really exist for call of duty because people who buy a 360/ps3 are going to buy games like CoD.
        • Shaflugi, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3Isn't CoD on PC, as well?
        • Carnage83, on 12/15/2007, -0/+0That is the most important port in my view
          • CarzorStelatis, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Surprising because it's a garbage point. The comparison was with the 360 version of CoD.
      • lebatte, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2But what outsold Galaxy was only the 360 version of COD4. Sales for PS3 and PC aren't included in that figure.
  • chroko, on 12/15/2007, -8/+12I'd argue that Mario not outselling COD4 is part of the supply-side problem that Nintendo has been hit with. If you want to buy a Wii to play Galaxy - you can't buy one at retail. Everywhere is out of stock. So of course sales of Galaxy are going to suffer.

    Although the last stores that I was in looking for a Wii (Super Target and Gamestop) were also completely sold out of Super Mario Galaxy. So maybe they also didn't make enough copies of the game?

    Put it another way: In six months nobody at retail will remember Call Of Duty - while sales of Galaxy will still be going strong as Wii production finally catches up to demand.
    • FDL1, on 12/15/2007, -2/+5Except that Wii consoles are selling more/faster than the 360. According to nexgenwars.com, Nintendo has sold 13.1 M Wii systems compared to Microsoft's 12.7 M Xbox 360s. I don't think you can blame it on Super Mario Galaxy being sold out, either. If nothing else, CoD4 should have a more difficult time [manufacturing] because it is being sold on 3 platforms (360, PS3, PC).
      • chroko, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2It's unlikely COD had less problems with manufacturing - Nintendo use a custom disk for the Wii. They aren't DVDs - nobody else makes them. They can't simply call up additional commercial DVD manufacturers.

        Maybe Wii owners are still playing Paper Mario? Maybe they all asked for Galaxy as a Christmas gift? The only people who know for sure are Nintendo executives.

        But I'll re-iterate: COD4 might be good - but I'll bet that it doesn't have the lasting power that Galaxy does. Galaxy will still be in the charts next Christmas. And probably being sold in bundles with the Wii.
    • BrandonB1218, on 12/15/2007, -3/+0So why then, was there well over 10 copies of this game at my local GameStop?
      • BrandonB1218, on 12/15/2007, -3/+0After rereading this I can see he was talking about Wiis not being in stock. Digg me down I suppose.
  • CWal37, on 12/15/2007, -9/+12I played COD4 multiplayer for around an hour the other day, and while I enjoyed myself, it was mostly because I was with friends. I just didn't find the game that fun, it was really intense, but I want high speed over-the-top "fun." I kept thinking how much more enjoyable I find Team Fortress 2. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste, but it seems weird to me that among the people I know I hear quite often how godly COD4's multiplayer is whereas maybe only 1-2 of them have even heard of TF2.
    • Crosshare, on 12/15/2007, -3/+4I own both on PC, I'll take my COD4 any day of the week, it's all. personal preference. Don't try to lump us in with Halo fan boys that don't know anything but their one game.
      • CWal37, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3Oh not at all, wasn't trying to insult you. Now that I think about it most of my friends are console gamers anyways, that's probably why.
      • zdiggler, on 12/15/2007, -4/+2Nothign piss me off then a kid tell me if i'm playing a FPS type game, "wow good graphics, this game is like halo"
    • MutatedNantuko, on 12/15/2007, -0/+4Yeah guys, digg him down for having a well thought out opinion....

      P.S. TF2 is so much damn fun.
    • MrSteamTank, on 12/16/2007, -0/+1The problem with TF2 is that on both the 360 and ps3 their are serious issues which hampers its playability. Massive lag and a poor matchmaking system ruin an otherwise amazing game. So when it comes to consoles cod4 is definitely the best.
  • Magee1205, on 12/15/2007, -2/+12 * Call of Duty 4 (360): 1 1.57 Million
    * Super Mario Galaxy (Wii): 1.12 Million
    * Assassin’s Creed (360): 980K
    * Guitar Hero III (PS2): 967K
    * Wii Play (Wii): 564K
    * Mass Effect (360): 473K
    * Call of Duty 4 (PS3): 444K
    * Guitar Hero III (Wii): 426K
    * Halo 3 (360): 387K
    * Assassin’s Creed (PS3): 377K

    • chingy1788, on 12/15/2007, -11/+3World of Warcraft : 8 Million!!!
      • Magee1205, on 12/15/2007, -2/+12Mindless zombies?
        • Shaflugi, on 12/15/2007, -6/+3It's quite possible to play WoW without getting absorbed into it. It's called self-restraint.
        • MutatedNantuko, on 12/15/2007, -1/+9You sir, Shaflugi, are a liar and have never played WoW.
    • OblivionMage, on 12/15/2007, -2/+3* Halo 3 (360): 387K, considering every real 360 owner already has one, lol
    • coresnake, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1Jade's game is the best.
  • chaos7, on 12/15/2007, -3/+11where are the PC game numbers? COD4 rocks.
    • dustedotnet, on 12/15/2007, -3/+2People buy PC games? O_o

      And here I was thinking everyone downloaded them...
  • ob3y, on 12/15/2007, -3/+6anybody got a uav?
    • random12345, on 11/16/2008, -2/+6Our UAV is online!
    • xxA7XxaDdiCtxx, on 12/15/2007, -2/+6Enemy UAV is online!
    • TitanX13, on 12/15/2007, -3/+4i have an airstrike
      • bejayel, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3I use my airstrike and killed two people. Now i got a helicopter.
      • KingGoonie, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1Lol, you know how many times I heard this combination? I got an airstrike, anyone got a UAV... come on I got an airstrike someone get a UAV... come on guys.... I feel like saying Dude your ass is going to get sniped in about 10 seconds probably anyway, just use the damn thing before its too late and pray.
    • LoganT, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2Enemy UAV is airborne!
      • ob3y, on 12/15/2007, -0/+0"Tick, tick, tick..." +15, +5, +10... Friendly Helicopter on it's way.
    • Chassit, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Enemy chopper inbound!
  • zdiggler, on 12/15/2007, -6/+11We hunted down got a Wii for a older customer, they only wanted to play tennis and bowling on there. They also bought the tennis racket thingy, they thought it was the greatest thing added to their home theater system.

    COD4 is good across all platforms. Who cares about XBox 360 numbers, hard core FPS player plays on their PC.
    • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -10/+2FPS on a PC? No thanks.
      • CWal37, on 12/15/2007, -1/+7Hopefully a sarcastic remark.
        • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -8/+1No, mouse and keyboard is lame for FPS but actually I guess you can hook up an XBox controller so it's not too bad I guess. Still It's really a pain in the ass keeping your GPU up to date and not having the huge amount of online players you get with XBox Live.
          • BHSPitMonkey, on 12/15/2007, -1/+6Yeah, precision input is pretty weak I guess.
          • xerus, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3People like SLockhart are ruining games for the rest of us :( Casuals with their thumbsticks who run and hide to regenerate health... ah, I remember when FPS was about fast reaction, map control, and aim. Now its about who can run and hide the best.
          • CWal37, on 12/17/2007, -0/+1WTF? Seriously? There are far more people playing games online on PC's than on Xbox live. You are one of the dumbest people I have ever commented at. Also mouse and keyboard is the preferred natural setup for an FPS, they started there too just in case you didn't know. There's a reason that not every Xbox/PC cross-platform has cross platform multiplayer, it's because the console players would be wrecked by the PC ones.
    • BrandonB1218, on 12/15/2007, -3/+3"...hard core FPS player plays on their PC."

      Uh huh, I see. So you're saying you aren't a hardcore FPS gamer if you don't play them on the PC? How exactly does that make sense? It doesn't matter what PLATFORM you're playing on, it's the same game isn't it?
      • Carnage83, on 12/15/2007, -2/+2You could technicaly be a HARDCORE fps while playing on a friends console while bored, but the true way to shoot people up is on a high resoloution monitor powered by GPU's Console's cant even compair(what what did I hear DX10???)and very precise input from somthing called a mouse and keyboard. Another thing to think about, what else can you do on a console other than game??????? not much :)
      • Bamborzled, on 12/15/2007, -1/+2I didn't know that to be a hardcore FPS player, you had to be stinking rich.
  • walugi, on 12/15/2007, -12/+5SMG will continue to sell for years.... COD4 will sell ***** and ***** until COD5 comes out, and then depending on the reviews it may sell well again, or not by much at all.

    It's also the first next gen COD right?
    • InitialDMP5, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2No, COD 2 came out for the 360 at launch. It got decent reviews.
  • random12345, on 11/16/2008, -15/+5CoD4 is an incredbly amazing game. Mario really only has a cult following, and the kid following. I think Nintendo is lucky to even be able to drag on the franchise this much and still sell so much.
    CoD4 is probably the most intense single player game I've played in a while, and the most addictive multiplayer game for me in ages.
    • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -1/+5Dude COD 4 rocks. No need to disrespect Galaxy though, it's truly an awesome game. If your to tough for Mario you should probably give up games.
    • xerus, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3Yes, theyre really dragging the franchise out by releasing a game thats considered to be the #2 game of all time.
  • theclashrocker, on 12/15/2007, -3/+7Galaxy beat Guitar Hero II. nice. 2nd is still great. Galaxy will probably outsell cod4 in the long run though.
  • goingtoalpha, on 12/15/2007, -4/+33Nintendo obviously need to get their head out of their collective asses and get busy on the Super Mario First Person Shooter!
    • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -3/+0Is there any doubt?
    • HypocriteDigg, on 12/15/2007, -5/+9Yeah. Make it super violent and have the U.S. be the good guys and anyone with dark skin be the bad guys, and you'll have a winner here in redneck America.
  • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Both awesome games. Tied for games of the year for me.
  • SLockhart, on 12/15/2007, -5/+0As I type this the credits are running on my veteran run through. Now for Mile High in a minute. That's gonna be frikkin' hard.
  • VisibleMan, on 12/15/2007, -6/+11Man, I have to be the only person in the universe that thought CoD4 was just average. Run down hallways shooting dudes punctuated by the occasional cool cutscene, just like every other FPS in the universe. The AC-130 and sniper sneaking parts were neat, but not enough to send the game into the stratosphere. Also, after dealing with BF2142 I have no patience for level up systems in multiplayer FPS. Not a bad game, but way overrated.
    • AzraelKans, on 12/16/2007, -0/+1Er... no offense but isnt Mario platform games WAY more cliche than FPS's? I mean theres must be over a hundred millitia type FPS but there are literally Thousands of platform games like mario.

      Now TF2 is a lot more innovative (specially in art), but it also has extremely repetitive maps and no single player missions.
  • pixelmatrix, on 12/15/2007, -8/+12COD4 is the best game i've ever played.
    • InitialDMP5, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3what about Red Rover? or heads up seven up? The multiplayer in Red Rover is pretty intense.
      • ultraJesus, on 12/15/2007, -0/+5The single player kind of blows though.
      • darkmagus, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1Real gamers play Red Rover on a PC.....NOT A CONSOLE! The new expansion pack requires the latest graphics card though.
    • battletrax, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Best in awhile yes.
  • Mishkin, on 12/15/2007, -6/+140 bucks shipped from Amazon. Special Sale. You're welcome. 360 sold out earlier.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG72TM/ref=pd ...
  • tcpip4lyfe, on 12/15/2007, -9/+14COD 4 for PC > x box 360
    • Carnage83, on 12/15/2007, -1/+3Yes the pc version outshine's them all :) All that eye candy goodness!
    • ubergeek09, on 12/15/2007, -0/+7Any PC fps is better than the console version :p.
    • Chassit, on 12/15/2007, -0/+4On a fast PC the game looks like a friggin movie, no lie!
      • BedPost, on 12/15/2007, -0/+0Hmm. My X800GTO would beg to differ.
    • Gunite, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Why does the PC version not get higher review scores than the console versions? Perhaps if nintendo marketed the mouse it would get more recognition..
  • YepeY, on 12/15/2007, -13/+1Call of Duty 4 Outsells Super Mario Galaxy: it only took all 4 platforms combined to do it... congrats... have a coke and a smile.. Cheers to no more exclusives...sigh...
  • airwalke, on 12/15/2007, -2/+7Sure would help if Nintendo kept up with demand, I guess.
  • DeviantDragon, on 12/15/2007, -3/+21And Wii Play outsold Mass Effect.
    • BHSPitMonkey, on 12/15/2007, -3/+8A $10 bundled-in game can outsell a lot of things, I suppose.
    • mvpimpao, on 12/15/2007, -0/+3put a wiimote for 10 bucks bundled with mass effect and see what happens xD
  • cupcrazy1027, on 12/15/2007, -4/+3Well as it seems COD4 has the upper hand now. In the long term Nintendo is known for repackaging their games and reselling them in the future. Why you ask because they're good games(most of them) and they can. Like SMB on the virtual console I can only imagine how many downloads that got add that to the already highest selling game of all time and you can see where I'm going with this. There's no chance for COD4 in the long run.
    • Rob223, on 12/15/2007, -0/+2So you're saying in 22 years or so, sales might perk up again?
  • JenadaeXX, on 12/15/2007, -17/+11COD4 will be forgotten within 3 months while SMG will continue selling copies well into next year.
    • Red5, on 12/15/2007, -2/+4Interesting. Can you explain why you think this?
      • Rob223, on 12/15/2007, -2/+5It's probably just an educated guess from where halo 3 is on that list.
    • tlgjames, on 12/15/2007, -4/+2I doubt it, with it's multiplayer base. I'm not going to compare games, but I've enjoyed COD4 a lot more than anything nintendo has produced since a LTTP or possibly Mario Kart 64.
    • Chassit, on 12/15/2007, -1/+1You are mistaken.
    • carrtoonist, on 12/15/2007, -0/+0You seem to be underestimating how long a game with good multiplayer can survive.
    • Schmapdi, on 12/15/2007, -0/+1Well, not 3 months, but certainly 6-9 months or so whenever either the next CoD or the next Multiplayer shooter de jour is released.
  • TitanX13, on 12/15/2007, -7/+3and the big suprise is where?
  • skaface69, on 12/15/2007, -15/+7One way to get the nintendo fanboy's panties in a bunch is to say that anything is better than an exclusive nintendo title.

    CoD4 is a great game, and when your sick of jumping on gombas, I will still be merc'in fools. well until R6V2 comes out in march.
    • Robbothehood, on 12/15/2007, -4/+0Or the community could digg up stories that don't place Nintendo in a very good light while taking over a day to get the hardware numbers up.
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