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- micropizzle, on 10/11/2007, -8/+80I think he ment to say "millions of gazillions."
- ahhell, on 10/11/2007, -7/+55"cost hundreds of millions to make"
Exaggerate much? - chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -0/+45sounds about right for a digg story.
"I strongly disagree with this agreement of an opinion about a rumour." - Satanael, on 10/11/2007, -8/+47Worthless article... Neither confirms nor denies the possibility of these rumors...
- MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -7/+38Maybe he means in yen. The dollar is quickly losing its status as the standard currency.
He's probably just an idiot though. - MaynardJK, on 10/11/2007, -2/+27I don't know about that. Most of the Marketing students at my college were the biggest idiots around. There is a reason that half of the football team majored in it.
You had to be careful when walking around the marketing department building or you might get hit in the head with a diploma. - chocobomog, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21@ilyaq
Perfect, this is why FFXIII on the 360 would not work.
FFXII has sold more games worldwide than Gears has even though both were released at the same time, but in American GoW sold more than FFXII. In the US, if the PS2 could only sell 1.2 million copies what chance does FFXIII on the 360 have?
JRPGs sell in Japan
A JRPG for the 360 couldn't even sell 200,000 in Japan (Blue Dragon)
The majority of 360 owners didn't buy it for JRPG games
A JRPG-heavy system like the PS2 "only" sells 1.2 million of Final Fantasy in the US
Therefore 360 probably won't sell many JRPGs outside Japan - Khabi, on 10/11/2007, -14/+31You realize it costs even *MORE* money to port the game to another system. Espcially if the code is already written for one specific arch, its not like there is some magic switch that will make it work on the 360.
Also, face it Square owes alot to Sony. If they say its a Sony Exclusive, thats exactly what it is. The games sell the systems, so its best for both parties involved that it is. I'll bet Square is getting paid a nice chunk of change to not port this game.
I for one am glad when a game is only released for a single console. I find that games that are ported to others are usually crappy and bug ridden. I wish all of this cross porting crap would end and publishers would develop games for what console it fits best on, rather then trying to milk every dollar out of gamers. I'm probably one of the only people that see it that way tho. - djSyndrome, on 10/11/2007, -9/+25"and they won't be able to make it all back on just the PS3 install base alone."
Who said anything about install base? Final Fantasy VII sold PS1 consoles, and Final Fantasy X sold PS2 consoles. It remains to be seen how many PS3's FF XIII will sell - Sony cutting the price before its release certainly wouldn't hurt - but a series that sells four to five million copies of each installment moves hardware on its system debut. - roxya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12The price really depends on whether or not you'll ever watch a blu-ray movie. I buy blu-rays so I'm more than happy with the price (and I paid £400 !!!)
- jostheller, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Am I the only one who thinks the PS3's current price is fair? I am not saying that they should not lower the price, but in general when I think about my PS3 I feel that I received a great deal for 586 dollars. I would like to see more games, but overall I am very satisfied with the product. I prefer it over my Wii and I do not own a 360 yet (was waiting for HDMI and now I am letting my feelings for Microsoft's legal threats against the GPL come between my ownership of one. I just don't want my dollars helping their legal team attack Linux)
BTW - Did you know the PSP is 802.11g - PhantomRogue, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12But then people couldn't post blogspam and get their google adsense moneys!
- UberC, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Well that was a pretty pointless article.
- skeeve, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12I wouldn't include MiniDisc on that list. It's still surviving in a nice little niche with all the audiophiles. Also wayy too soon to call PS3 and Blu-ray.
- SpikeZ, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Haven't read an article with less content than this one in quite awhile.
Kudos to the author, you must have a politician hiding in you -- talking much yet saying nothing at all. - jostheller, on 10/11/2007, -5/+11Is it not a better comparison to say
360 Elite - $479.99
hd-dvd - $199.99
total $679.99
PS3- $599.99
BR-dvd- (already included)
Total- $599.99
because really HDMI is a required output to a "content protected HD DVD" thus if you have the 360 (non-elite) and the HD_DVD drive then you really only have a 600 dollar DVD player since it wont play content protected HD_DVD's at anything greater then 480p.
Additionally the 360 doesn't include 802.11g at that price point but the PS3 does. Additionally the PS3 offers free online community where xbox charges 50 bucks... Additionally the PS3 allows you to install a different OS, where microsoft doesn't... But hold the bus. Microsoft gives you twice the HD space, and we all know how great that price difference is between a 60 GB HD and a 120 GB HD. errrrr.... - velvet396, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6ps3 price drop "news" is a rumor, Square's FF "news" was not a rumor. Inaccurate title and useless article, buried.
- weareglass, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8FF staying on PS3 should have been obvious to anyone who wasn't thinking wishfully. It's been clear from the beginning of next gen sales that though the Xbox360 did really well in the US, it made no headway in Japan, and practically vice versa for the PS3. And what is the result? One American-centric console and one Japanese-centric console (and Nintendo which will be a healthy mix). If you want the best Japanese games, don't kid yourself. PS3 is going to have the cream of the crop. It's a frustrating state of affairs. Personally, I'm just not gonna get a next gen system for a while, or maybe eventually a Wii, and wait until all their prices drop and some of the dust has cleared.
- NippleNutz, on 10/11/2007, -8/+13I heart snorg tees girl
Off Topic i know so dig me left - Wisgary, on 10/11/2007, -4/+9So wait... the Final Fantasy on the 360 rumor was busted... but it being busted is yet another god damned rumor?! PLEASE people, stop being idiots and just wait for official press releases.
- dysonlu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7@pureeviljester:
360- $399.99
hd-dvd- $199.99
Wifi adapter: $99.99
Total- $699.97 - Pureeviljester, on 10/11/2007, -6/+11360- $399.99
hd-dvd- $199.99
Total- $599.98
PS3- $599.99
BR-dvd- (already included)
Total- $599.99
It's hard to let go of that penny. - stevey5036, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Burying this article.. it provides no good information at all..
- ilovethissite, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5PS3 just came out, Sony is not considering dropping its price till probably 2008 at least
- Herald42, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8@Ilyag
Fun fact:
Whining about getting dugg down gets you dugg down further. - Barnolde, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6FF not going to 360 is obvious, because 360 doesn't exist in Japan as far as Square Enix is concerned and if any series will sell PS3s, it'll be Final Fantasy.
PS3 price drop WILL happen sometime, as all consoles drop in price. Those screaming FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) about it are forgetting that the system hasn't even been out a year, is still $600 and hasn't even has its big games come out yet. People thought the same thing about the PS2, especially since the DC came out earlier, had better games at a lower price, but nothing lasts forever. - callidusdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4This article didn't bust any rumors.
I saw no proof showing that the price of the PS3 was NOT going to drop or that the FF franchise signed a deal with the 360.
In fact the only thing the article told me was that the PS3 price drop and FF leaving 360 rumors were just rumors.
Thanks for nothing.
Buried for lameness. - blair260, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Rumor + Digg = Crap
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@modifiedbears
I would agree except for the hype around Blue Dragon.
I gave you a mod-up, because I think its important that people remember what a great game Blue Dragon is. Famitsu Loved it. Remember, it *is* the biggest selling title on Xbox 360 in Japan. While i think you are totally wrong, you bring up a topic Ive made posts around digg for a couple days now...
Its no surprise that Blue Dragon _alone_ didnt move 1,000,000 Xbox 360s in overnight. The Xbox 360 is still trying to catch on in Japan, no doubt. But does _anyone_ think that MS wont eventually crack that nut? They are incredibly committed and innovative, they are going to keep fighting there - dont worry.
More important IMHO is what Blue Dragon will mean for Xbox 360 owners in Europe and America(!) Blue Dragon is the product of the All Time All Stars of JRPG and its exclusive to Xbox 360. JRPG fans, outside of those who really really must own a FF title*, are going to get a great JRPG to play.
I know it makes PS3 fans excited to suggest that Xbox 360 owners will be deprived of the precious FF, and they may take pleasure in imagining depressed or unsatisfied Xbox 360 owners -- but Im sorry to say, I just dont feel that way. I'm seriously looking forward to Blue Dragon and its totally new game world, narrative, characters and game-play innovation.
Wont it be equally depressing for PS3 owners to not be able to play Blue Dragon? It is known to be a terrific game. Im not at all worried or upset that I wont be playing FF, if it comes to Xbox 360 or not - I wouldnt be buying it. Im looking forward to trying something new, Sakaguchi-san has had a chance to keep the good and leave the bad, and Blue Dragon is fantastic -- I cant wait to play it.
*Why this is the case I dont know. The FF titles are based around a gameplay mechanic (that they are JRPG) and loosely related narratives. Each title has to stand on its own, and there have been hits and misses in the FF series, who knows how this FF will be. Since its has big expectations, I'd bet this particular title will be good, but then, its either a good game on its own or it is not, that it is the part of the FF series isnt as material as "Is It A Good Game?" - mywhitenoise, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Good luck, you can't even get a decent 360 at that price. I'd be fine with paying $400 for a 60GB PS3
- samdu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3A Microsoft spokesman has already addressed the notion of simply buying up developers. In short, sometimes it makes sense, sometimes not so much. There are a couple of factors to consider with MS and Square. One, it wouldn't be cheap. And while MS has a metric ***** of cash lying around, the gaming division is still deep in the red. Very deep. And they can't just randomly take money from the bank account willy nilly. Then there's the problem of corporate culture. I somehow doubt that Squenix's culture is very similar to Microsoft's. And finally, as with any developer house, there's the very real risk that when you buy the developer, what you end up with is the shell and not the actual developers, who would be free to leave after you've just spent all this money acquiring their now former employer.
- j4son, on 10/11/2007, -8/+11Maybe he thinks game development costs are calculated in Pesos.
Bah, MaynardJK beat me to it! - ptsd, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5untill some of these rumors start to become a reality i wont be buying a ps3 or an xbox360...
- sugarazor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Right. Because developers took such a huge financial hit on games like MGS, Final Fantasy 7-9, and Resident Evil 4 because they were multiple discs.
- nreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6the best way to justify the price is by looking at what you'll actually pay for a 360. You COULD say HD-DVD player and bigger hard drive but those aren't really necessary. Online play, on the other hand, I think is definitely necessary for a next-gen experience. You pay $50 a year for 360 online, and PS3 online is almost as good (and getting better all the time), for free.
so basically, right now I've paid the same price for my 360 as my PS3 (2 years of Live, and I bought a $500 PS3 when they sold it). Next year, My 360 will cost more. - wild, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7"Retarded *****..."
Read the post above yours and understand why you are getting dugg down. - fixedcoma, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Woah, Woah, Woah wait a minute! Don't let these sabaths talk ***** in your ear... There was a final fanasy for the xbox 360 and it came out April 18th 2006 "final fantasy XI" So the answer is " yes " there is a final fantasy already for xbox 360!!!!!
- chocobomog, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5@modifiedbears
I would agree except for the hype around Blue Dragon. It was created and directed by Hironobu Sakaguchi who created almost all Final Fantasy games and is THE name when it comes to JRPGs. For the first 9 games, the biggest connection between the games was that Sakaguchi directed them. It was designed by Akira Toriyama who also designed Dragonball (and Chrono Trigger remake), one of the biggest animes of all time. An d the music was created by Nobuo Uematsu, whose video game music has been performed in numerous concerts and has 50+ different CDs released including everything from piano album, symphonic arrangements, jazz remix, etc. These designers are the "gods" of their industries and helped define their genres. And Blue Dragon was hyped because of it. But it didn't sell.
It would be like Steven Spielberg, Tom Cruise, and John Williams made a highly anticipated blockbuster movie that only earn 5 million at the box office (War of the Worlds made much more).
If any new IP should have sold like hotcakes, it was Blue Dragon.
As for my "bias", I would be the one who wants to play Blue Dragon, I am the ideal fan they market this game too. My favorite games of all time came from Sakaguchi. I've played games (and a movie) based on his name alone. I listen to and perform Uematsu's music on a daily basis, and even had it in my wedding (along with Zelda music). Hell, 10 years ago I've based my user name on his characters and have used it ever since. (I'm indifferent to Toriyama, not really a Dragonball fan, but I enjoy his design) And I WANT to play Blue Dragon, but I will not pick up a 360 for this game alone, especially when there is a chance it will be ported or moved to a PC based on these sales. I've probably followed this game more than most people on digg. - trer, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Sony lower prices? That's unpossible!
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"up to 6 of the SPEs are allocated to this." You are wrong.
The PS3 *always* dedicates 1 Cell Core to the OS. Always, unavailable to the game.
The PS3 *always* dedicates 1 Cell Core to the OS *if* any online features are employed *AND* Part of a 2nd core becomes "sometimes unavailable" (meaning, you cannot schedule that 3rd core and have it reliably available).
So, Any Game that runs online (will FF have any Online features?) has 5.5 Consumed for *non-game* functionality (as in for the OS, IP and DRM.)
6 cores arent availble *for the whole ***** game* let alone your magic 6-core graphics talk. I wont even bother telling you how much Memory is dedicated for OS and Comms. that become unavailable.
Here, drop the "PS3 is a mega-supercomputer!11!" marketing and get informed:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060413-6600.html
http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/03/01/ps3-online-friends-and-cross-game-features/
http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2007/05/09/ps3-memory-footprint/
Before you start talking out your arse about what the Xbox 360 can and cannot do, perhaps you should understand how console development on the PS3 works? Clearly, the PS3 is motivating your pseduo-techno-speak. - yournamehere, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Khabi:
Since most of the production costs goes into art work, voice, music all of which can be ported over it wouldn't cost that much more to go multi console. - JCdaOmnislasher, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3It's very hard to determine if porting Final Fantasy(besides Crystal Chron. and FFIII I think for DS) to other consoles would make any sort of change in the sales of the Final Fantasy series of games for Square/SquareEnix.
On one note, as I see it, you have the Final Fantasy gamers who have more or less played the series of the games since the time of its existence. These may be people who are willing to shell out 600 dollars for the PS3 just to play the newer current gen Final Fantasy games.
There is also some speculation (I've thought I read in the past long ago but could be mistaken) that Final Fantasy games released in the future will stay on the PS2 console should the high price of PS3 system stay where it is.
Also, quite a few people I have played with on Final Fantasy XI enjoy playing this online game for the XBOX 360 much more than they would on a PC or a PS2. It might be a possibility that they is a huge interest out there for Final Fantasy games to be cross platformed.
All and all, I believe that there will be no sure-fire notice anytime soon if the Final Fantasy series of games will be crossplatformed to the XBOX or other consoles. We will just have to patient and wait and see. - cthellis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I think it's completely fair... provided you want ALL the features.
People take it to task they same way they take Apple to task, which is similarly competitive price-wise... if you want ALL the features and software that comes with one. But for the people who don't need the wireless, who don't care about HD DVDs yet and don't see a real gaming advantage coming from the new media... They're annoyed that they're FORCED to pay for things they don't care about.
Certainly there's a good point with that right now in regards to Blu-Ray, which while NICE... is not doing a whole lot to show that it is NECESSARY for HD gaming or providing major advantages yet, which means a tacked-on external drive just for people who WANT it makes more sense for them. (Especially since that one item is what would mainly account for the price difference. No, I have no idea why MS' wireless device costs as retardedly much as it does.) That situation may change in the future, but it's not the case right now. - Dio82, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3While MS does have a buttload of cash, so does Sony (even if they are losing a lot right now) so MS buying Sony is pretty much impossible. Now buying Square they could do it but i don't see that happen anytime soon either.
And i have to agree with wisgary, people need to stop spreading rumors and wait for the press releases, even then sometime that can change before launch. - frodsteamin2, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5great i just bought ps3, i couldnt wait...dammit
- Pureeviljester, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3@ sugar
right, and now those games are on 1 disc. cause the technology is out to put them on one disc.
And RE4 is one disc, not like the earlier ones.
As cd-roms became dvds the discs went down. Now that HD discs are out, expect history to repeat itself. - harshUC, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4It also takes time, money, and man power to develop the game to run on the 360, resources which could be used to make a new game.
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2FF not going to 360 is obvious, because 360 doesn't exist in Japan.
What if Square wants to sell this game in America?
PS3 price drop WILL happen sometime, as all consoles drop in price.
Even at a equal price, the Xbox 360 has much to argue makes it better than PS3. Further, you are aware that Nintendo & MS could _also_ lower their price? - xdevit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Is it just me or shouldn't Final Fantasy just throw in the towel.
I personally am not a fan of RPG's but alot of my friends loved that game but said this past one was a joke. Game reviews also showed this. - EDmAN, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1what?
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