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Bungie's Frank O'Connor talks Halo movie, Peter Jackson, and Miyamoto

joystiq.com — While checking out the Halo 3 multiplayer beta in New York, Joystiq asked Bungie's Frank O'Connor some of those Halo-related questions that have been floating around for too long. Questions like, what's going on with the movie, how are those episodic installments coming along, and could Miyamoto really have made Halo?

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  • chronoleo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+53If they do bother making a Halo movie, it better do the game justice. I don't want to see another miserable failure in the area of games to movies. Halo has a lot of potential as a movie, but they could easily screw it to hell if they don't do it right - Whatever that may be.
    • doctorfungi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+42As long as Uwe Boll isn't doing it....
    • goonbaggins, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12The directing role was offered to Guillermo del Toro, but he turned it down because he wanted to concentrate on Hellboy 2.

      Maybe with the delay they'll offer it to him again, and I think he could do an incredible job with it.
    • jeet404, on 10/11/2007, -17/+2Halo sucks posting starts in..3..2..1...oh ***** it already started!
    • Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4Who here thinks there needs to be an epic video game based CGI movie? Halo, World of Warcraft, Gears of War, something!
    • emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -32/+24Halo is nothing more than a standard FPS that the developers didn't half ass. It's not even that good - it's a joke compared to many FPS games out for the PC, and this is further supported by the fact that Halo didn't do too well on the PC. Of course Miyamoto could have made it - but it's beneath him. Anybody with enough money to throw at it could have made Halo, it's all about the production value of the game, and sticking to the rules laid out by many FPS games before it. There was very little creativity required to make it.
    • RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12@emjaymj

      Thats what EVERYBODY says, but there is something about Halo. I wouldn't have an Xbox 1 or stuck with the franchise buying an Xbox 360 if it weren't for the Halo series. Same reason I wouldn't have a Wii without Twilight Princess/the Zelda series. Its been said that Halo came to the right place at the right time, but Halo is just a huge phenomenon, much like very few other titles. Its the game I call home, and I wouldn't play any other game. Also, Halo PC was a failure because it offered nearly nothing new or innovative, and was just a re-iteration of the console version of the game. I owned Halo PC, it was good, but not mentionably good, and sales reflect that.
    • emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -9/+8It's a huge phenomenon because it's been pretty much the only properly implemented, high production value FPS for the console scene. If other developers weren't always half-assing FPS games, there would be nothing special about Halo.

      I'm aware Halo PC was the same game, but that's what I'm trying to get at. Most hardcore PC gamers do NOT have an Xbox, so this point is kind of moot, it should still have done well. The problem is there are tons of properly made FPS games for the PC, so Halo has entirely different competition, and that's where it's shown that it doesn't hold a candle to other games in the FPS genre. Regardless of whether or not Halo PC was a rehash of the same game, nobody will try to make the argument that it is one of the best PC shooters available, because it simply isn't.

      The hype surrounding Halo really blows my mind. I've played both Halo's for the Xbox, as well as the PC version of Halo 1. There is NOTHING that stands out about that game other than the fact that the available library of console FPS games is really poor. At least a game like Goldeneye had a reason for the hype - playing it with your friends in your living room was really fun, and that was pretty much the reason agreed upon by everyone. And while Halo can be fun in the same manner, people think it's an otherwise amazing gaming when it really isn't. If you want to play quality FPS games online or single player, the PC has countless games that are better than Halo. It's funny that you say there's "something" about Halo, but imply it's not really quantifiable. It really isn't quantifiable, the game blows.
    • DeathBorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It's sad that Del Toro turned down the Halo movie. If he made it, and it was insanely good, he would be famous for all time. Whoever directs it, it'd better be well-made or my faith in humanity will drop to zero.
    • AwesomeMonster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@emjaymj
      I have played ever major Fps release for the pc since doom. I guess that would make me a hardcore pc gamer. To say that halo did nothing for the console scene is ridiculous. Lan multi player on a console, multiple vehicle that don't feel tacked on, and a very easy to customize multi player were all landmark achievements the original halo made on the console gaming circuit. "playing it with your friends in your living room was really fun, and that was pretty much the reason agreed upon by everyone" is exactly why it took off as well. Now on to pc lately, All i can see dominating the pc gaming market in terms of multi player is buggy pieces of ***** like bf2 and especially bf2142, and counterstrike which will be there until the world ends. As for single player, halo made you fight on a scale of then epic proportions. Levels would have you doing such a wide variety of things like shooting down tanks in futuristic alien jets, bashing you're enemies with the butt of your gu in some really tight situations, and even driving as fast as you can to get off a ship thats set to detonate in 5 minutes. All of these were also executed perfectly. Now lets look at todays market, the last fps to do that well is probably hl2 or Farcry. Until then we had somewhat enjoyable but repetitious romps like F.E.A.R and quake 4. Non of which are really mind blowing, but they get the job done.

      In other words, you're just a pc zealot who is too blindsided by his allegiance with it that he can't enjoy a good game if its not with moue and keyboard specified controls which make things from the other side of the hedge a little easier, which why halo is a lot different on PC.
    • emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I never said it did nothing for the console scene... I agree it is definitely one of if not THE best FPS games out on any console, but only because no developers have made serious efforts on bringing other good FPS's to it, not because it's an objectively good game. I'm not a PC zealot at all, I own many consoles and many games, although I'll admit I do prefer FPS games on the PC. Not just because of the superior controls, but for the above mentioned reason as well.
    • fofr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Just to remind people, there's a LOT of Halo Movie information, including videos of Neill Blomkamp's work at this site: http://halomovie.trivialbeing.net/
  • estvir, on 10/11/2007, -47/+16"Yeah, well. I just want to go on the record and say that Bungie is hard at work on a side-scrolling platform game featuring some plumbers -- I'm not going to say what their ethnicity is, it's none of anyone's business -- but we took that as a gauntlet, a sort of glove slap, and we're going to respond in 2D scrolling style. That's all I'm saying."

    Haha, I believe Miyamoto was [and will be] owned.

    Anyway, amusing read, this Frank fellow usually is. Now I'm off to past the time till the H3 beta downloads (Yay for Family & Friends beta and boo to big downloads/slow Aussie broadband). :(
    • itsameericle, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Damn you! *shakes fist in the air*...Family+Friends program...grumble grumble...
      I've gotta wait a whole 5 more days for the Beta. Thankfully my hopes are well adjusted compared to what they were for Halo 2 (What? Aw man, they completely nerfed the pistol?! What's with the physics...its so messed up, arghh!).

      Even if it "sucks" (read: is different), which it logically shouldn't based on the first two installments, I will play it a lot.
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42Right, Miyamoto was owned because the Mario series is the best selling series of all time.
    • xerus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22...how was anyone owned by that statement?
    • Ninja337, on 10/11/2007, -19/+7Woah, Halo 3... So soon the Xbox 360 will have 3 good games!
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Ninja is an example of what I hate the most, the kind of person that is so into his one series that everything else ever made is then considered crap.
    • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23sorry how was Miyamoto owned, because the way I see it Shigeru Miyamoto has made Donkey Kong, the Mario Brothers Series, The Legend of Zelda, and bungie has errr..... Halo......I love the Halo games but Miyamoto has done 1000x more himself then Bungie has ever done.
    • emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -8/+12Mario was created in 1981. That's right - 26 years ago. How was anybody owned? The last real game in the Mario series that was a 2d side scroller came out on the SNES. I'd like to see Halo made for that platform. Oh wait, it's not possible, so it's completely irrelevant and just shows how little intelligence the guy actually has.
    • JustinSane, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15How much more disrespectful can you get toward the godfather of video games. That was completely uncalled for.
    • KingGoonie, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Actually that makes the Halo guys come off as idiots... Its like nsync thinking they can outsing the beatles... and Miyamato can just come back and say "fine... you make mario and I'll make Halo... then you make zelda and I'll make... uh... um.. Halo again I guess... then you make Metroid and I'll make... damn guys can you make another game so we can have a competition here...

      And "The last real game in the Mario series that was a 2d side scroller came out on the SNES." Actually the last one came out on the DS less then a year ago... The New Super Mario Bros.
    • mustbepatient, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6C'mon everyone, the guys at Bungie are just having fun with the whole Miyamoto comment! I know tone doesn't necessarily translate into text form as well, but I'm telling you all, he wasn't serious. I think it'll be pretty funny if Bungie puts out a fun little sidescroller.
    • estvir, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1He was sarcastically mocked by some low-level guy and Bungie is making some type of side-scroller in friendly 'retaliation' - see, as good as many of Miyamoto's games are he lacked class in his comment about Halo.

      I wasn't being disrespectful, either.

      By the way, been playing the F&F beta and it's ace, while the graphics ARE a tiny bit disappointing in some areas it still looks very nice (You have to see the water) and most of all, it's damn fun.
  • NiGHTSChao, on 10/11/2007, -22/+5Miyamoto would make halo colorful, filled with floating blocks that break when 'hit' (not shot) and would have the aliens look friendly for the whole family

    and then he would convince nintendo to attempt to market the game to people who are in their late 50's or early 80's
  • ripstuntz, on 10/11/2007, -25/+9Bungie rules, Halo 3 is going to kickass, and no Japanese man will ever create something as holy as Halo.
    • NiGHTSChao, on 10/11/2007, -21/+12You're right, they'll just create something even better
      Sure they can't get as "holy" as Halo is, but they sure can make a better game

      Point meaning, Bungie is not that good at making games, Halo is overrated, boring and lame, and a lot of other companies (Japanese or not) make better games

      And before anyone says: "You're a Sony/Nintendo fanboy!"
      ***** you, because I'm a PCGamer, and personally, Halo is a disgrace to the FPS genre
    • lordmetroid, on 10/11/2007, -18/+8I agree... Halo has nothing special to offer, it just happened to be the one game on Xbox that is of medicore quality out of all the ***** that was released.
    • KingGoonie, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Halo to me was always boring.... Good but boring.... 7 out of 10 I would say. Similar to what the MGS was... and FF7 (By far the series worst) Overhyped games that arent that great... not saying there bad, there good... BUT NOT GREAT... and not deserving of the hype usually given to them by a12 year old fanboys who don't know any better.

      I can't speak on Halo 2 though as I never played that besides multiplayer.
  • carbon12, on 10/11/2007, -43/+41Halo is ridiculously over rated! What do you people see in this game series? Halo added absolutely nothing to the FPS genre, its only merit is online multi player which is abysmal compared to the likes of UT. If Halo 1 were released only on PC, there would have never been a sequel because PC gamers would have shrugged the game off as a boring, generic piece of crap.

    I don't expect a decent rebuttal, just digg me down Xbox fanboys.
    • mc7winkie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+26Stop with the damn ranting. Comparing Halo to PC games isn't fair. They are played completely different. Halo is played in a much more relaxed way with some friends in the living room while PC games are way more hardcore and competitive. Both games, Unreal and Halo, are good in their own respects and trying to call one overrated is stupid. I think Halo is fun, but I also find CS to be amazing as well. Since they are pretty much separate sub genres. Furthermore, no one says that Golden Eye 64 was crap. Did it really bring anything new to the genre? No, but it was fun. And that's what matters.
    • night141, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17"just digg me down Xbox fanboys."

      Gotta love the digg martyrs, who offer no grounds for rebuttal other than mud-slinging and then whine about getting dugg down when in reality, they're a *****.
    • SamuraiPanda, on 10/11/2007, -10/+11"If Halo 1 were released only on PC, there would have never been a sequel because PC gamers would have shrugged the game off as a boring, generic piece of crap."

      Further evidence to back up your point is that Halo 1 was eventually released on the PC. The entire PC market's response: Meh.
    • JoeCool1986, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I can't vouch for the creativity or industry revolutionizing aspect of Halo, simply because I haven't played enough FPS to say if it's either. But I can say that I have played a lot of video games in my time (and a good many FPS, like UT, goldeney, perferct dark, rogue spear) and playing halo 4 vs. 4 or 6 vs. 6 or even 8 vs. 8 with my friends has been the absolute most fun I have ever had playing a video game. I not exaggerating one bit either. I can't describe how awesome these games are. In my personal opinion, Halo 1 was more pure fun too, just more balanced overall.

      So I have to ask you, have you ever really sat down with a group of friends and gotten into Halo? It's truly an amazing game.
    • grumbel, on 10/11/2007, -6/+31### Halo added absolutely nothing to the FPS genre.

      Halo added the automatic recharging shild to the FPS genre, so no more collecting health packs, it also added a realistic limit on how many weapons you can carry, vehicles and separate buttons for melee attacks and grenades, thus making them actually usable instead of rotting in your inventory as in so many games before. It also was also a very important title for console network gaming and had a nice original setting (no WWII, no hell with monster). You might not like Halo and I am not a big fan of it either, but it did add plenty to the FPS genre, some of which are considered standard elements today, which they however weren't back then when Halo was released.
    • DrunkPikachu, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6~grumbel

      The recharging shield is thought by some to be a crutch rather than a real feature. Everything else you've listed has actually been done in any number of PC first person shooters (although not the exact combination Halo has AFAIK).
    • JoeCool1986, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3@drunkpikachu

      That can be a matter of opinion. And I absolutely LOVE the shield/health setup in Halo. And you can't argue the fact that other games are copying it now too. I just finished Red Steel which completely stole the idea from Halo.
    • DrunkPikachu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@ JoeCool1986

      I wasn't trying to argue that no-one hasn't taken cues from Halo, but I was saying that almost everything Grumbel listed wasn't really new to the genre.
    • KingGoonie, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Goldenye multiplayer was better then Halo 2 multiplayer...
  • tektalk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I feel as though they left something out from the interview or it's that I want much much more info.
  • relic2279, on 10/11/2007, -12/+20I love these people who say halo sucks, is overrated etc...

    Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority.
    Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority. At least, according to the facts. (You know, game sales, reviews, the usual)...


    idiots...
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -18/+18Name two things that Halo brought to the FPS genre, little kids don't count.
    • mc7winkie, on 10/11/2007, -18/+4Name two things golden eye brought to the FPS genre?
    • 77boy84, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27Considering the fact that Golden eye 64 was one of the first FPS games to hit a console, I'd say it brought a tad more to the genre than Halo.
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -8/+8Did i even bring up golden eye in any way? This was about Halo, but if you want to change the subject and dodge my question then go ahead.
    • DrunkPikachu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11It doesn't necessarily matter whether or not Halo brought anything new to the table. What does matter is that it's a relatively well polished FPS for a console which doesn't have much competition on the platform itself. You have a game which is fairly accessible to the average gamer with a dash of the 'Battlefield' randomness due to vehicles (getting hit by a warthog that was just blown up is always funny, when it isn't you), you pretty much have a recipe for success.
    • xerus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21Halo brought lots of idiots to FPS gaming. I watch my friend's little 13 year old brother go onto x-box live and yell "***** jews" at everyone he plays with. Hes terrible at the game, he just goes on every night to scream at people with his squeaky voice. Its too bad... ;(
    • anagoge, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority."

      What if we apply that thinking to Paris Hilton?
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority. Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority."

      The majority of who, the 8 million people who bought the game? You do realize there are two other systems from the xboxs time right? the play station 2 console sold more then triple of what the xbox did, I guess you just forgot to include them into your numbers.
    • LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority.
      Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority. At least, according to the facts. (You know, game sales, reviews, the usual)..."

      The facts?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games

      According to that, which has decent sources, Halo 1 and 2 have sold a combined total of 14.7 million, approximately (Notice how Halo isn't on the PC's list anywhere). Now, I'm going to be lenient and assume that every single one of those copies, both one and two, was bought by a different person. I'm also going to be lenient and say that 100% of them liked it. I'm even going to accept the credibility of 100% of the people who played it as having something decent to compare Halo to (Half-Life, UT, etc).

      That would give under 15 million devout, intelligible followers. There are far more people who play games out there.

      My opinion that's its overrated more than FFVII is not shared by the majority. Neither is the view that it's some badass, holy game. Unless, of course, the population you're sampling consists of the 15 million followers and me. Gotta be a bit biased for that though, eh?
    • Salgat, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2Was prettty sure Wolfenstien 3D beat out Goldeneye by half a decade.
    • LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm pretty sure Wolfenstein 3D was designed for the PC, not consoles
    • Bossman1086, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The only reason Halo took off so well on the Xbox was because it was the only decent FPS on the console. Granted, the main character was pretty memorable, too...but it's still a very generic FPS. Yes it's sold a lot, but that doesn't make it good.
  • phrogxix, on 10/11/2007, -10/+32What an idiot. Yeah, he sure pwned Miyamoto, one of Time's 100 most influential people this year who has invented and innovated Mario, Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Wave Race, Pikmin and given input to several others.

    I'll take the opinion of the guy who had the creativity and originality to work on a first person shooter where you shoot aliens and play a super soldier over his. Pssssht.

    I'll tell you, Halo is a good first person shooter and I like the series... but when you've pioneered something in even the remotest way near what Miyamoto has... then talk. Making a good new car isn't the same as inventing the car. You improved on the FPS formula and have made huge sales numbers doing it. Congrats, but don't think you're even on the same level as some of the pioneers in the industry.

    I'm not even getting into the misinterpretation of what Miyamoto meant. Could he make a game like Halo that would appeal to that audience? Yeah. Could he have made Halo had he wanted? I bet you he could've. But that's not where his passion or direction lies.

    This all comes off as a pretty dumb and childish thing to say. Ho ho ho, that silly Japanese guy with the Zelda sword who makes 2d scrollers sure got his .... ho ho ho.
    • Akronos, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16I'm guessing you don't know what a joke is. Good job on wasting your time writing 5 paragraphs. You sure showed him.
    • Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I just logged in to call you an idiot.

      idiot.
  • relic2279, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1@anagoge who said "What if we apply that thinking to Paris Hilton?"

    What about it? People like reading/watching about her and her antics. If they didn't, she wouldn't be all over TV and magazine stands. If theres a demand, there will be a supply. Theres a huge demand for Halo, thus we are here talking about it.

  • relic2279, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2@gamer31 who said "The majority of who, the 8 million people who bought the game? You do realize there are two other systems from the xboxs time right? the play station 2 console sold more then triple of what the xbox did, I guess you just forgot to include them into your numbers."

    The majority of who else? People who own an xbox or 360 obviously. It's not uncommon for people to go buy the console just for that particular game. I did, and there are hundreds of similar reports all over the internet of people doing the exact same thing. Obviously PS2 users who do not own an xbox cannot play the game, but most likely they do have a computer and a connection to the internet. They're so bored with their games, they have more then enough time to go on digg and bash Halo cause they can't own it.

    Common now. It's common sense. Both Halos sold amazingly well (Halo 2 broke all kinds of records) and I've yet see a negative professional review about either game. So hence if you dislike it, you are a minority. Chances are you do not even own it.
    • LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7"I've yet see a negative professional review about either game. So hence if you dislike it, you are a minority"

      That may be your common sense talking, but that logic by itself is very, very flawed. By the way, Halo 2's not on the top 20 selling console games of all time, either (although it's only off by a little).

      Also, please learn how to use reply
    • gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1605/whatpb7.jpg
    • NerdzCo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5OMG gamer31, I logged in just to say you are awesome,

      and also to say Take That to relic... This made my day!
  • BlindingEdge, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Anyone in the video game industry who wasn't influenced some way or another by Miyamoto was probably in the video game industry pre-1983. This bag-o-douche's comment really made it sound like he thought he is superior to Miyamoto, and I think we can all agree he most certainly is not. A piece of advice: next time you're in an interview and someone asks you about Miyamoto and his comment, simply don't answer.
  • Blue_Eon, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12I agree with phrogxix on this. It's like Lebron James calling Michel Jordan out. They basically have no clout compared to Miyamoto. Yeah, they're the hottest thing in multiplayer, but face it, Halo brought nothing new to the genre. Look at console FPS before it, like Goldeneye and Turok, and then compare them to Halo and the only thing Halo did better was graphics, and that's not actually the former games' faults considering they were on a previous gen system.

    Whether you guys want to admit it or not, you, and every other gamer out there owes a lot to Miyamoto, but you can't stand it because your immature little brains can't handle the fact that he doesn't make "mature" games. This guy couldn't even hold a candle to Miyamoto when it comes to creativity and ingenuity, yet here he is talking like Halo is the end all, be all game of all time. Pfft.. Just because a game is popular or sells well, does not mean it's a great game. Look at the Madden series.

    I forget who it was that said, "if you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, then it might be time to rethink where you stand." Or, something to that affect.

    Halo IS overrated, just deal with it. It's not a horrible game, and it can be fun, but it certainly does not deserve the acclaim that it garners. It is an average game, that has above average online play and is accessible to the masses.
    • Akronos, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4You make me laugh.

      "Halo IS overrated, just deal with it. It's not a horrible game, and it can be fun, but it certainly does not deserve the acclaim that it garners. It is an average game, that has above average online play and is accessible to the masses."

      Nice, so now I'll take your opinion that Halo is overrated and accept it. Yes, master.

      "It's not a horrible game"

      O RLY? Thanks, Sherlock. That was a brilliant deduction.

      Please name an FPS that is better on consoles in the generation before "next gen". I'll come back to you when you can.
  • dagger57331, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I agree that Halo is somewhat of an overrated series. However, you have to admit that amongst the FPS that have online play, Halo garnered a huge following, and kept it. They kept up that huge amount of people for a long time. Halo 2 is still one of, if not the most played X-box Live game. Obviously there is something to the game if it can not only sell as many as copies as it did, but keep fans for such an extended period of time with little to no updates, as well as no modification by the community that many PC gamers can enjoy.

    Halo may not have brought a lot of new things to the market, but it inarguably made the xbox a relevant system. Any game that sells systems is something special no matter how "average" it truly is.
  • modifiedbears, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Miyamoto has done a lot of great work, but the comment he made in regards to Halo was petty and unprovoked.
    • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I am pretty sure people are misinterpreting his comments, I think want he wanted to say is he could of made a FPS, however thats not the type of game he likes to play/make.
  • FuZi0nDET, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Added nothing to the FPS market huh? No Halo no xbox 360, I'd call that significant! There is no way in hell I'd of bought an xbox let along an xbox 360 if it wasn't for Halo and its clear that Halo has sold more consoles for Microsoft than any other game to date. Comparing a game designed for a console to a p.c. title is crap. You should compare apples to apples, Halo is one of the most important fps titles ever to appear on a console.
  • lemonbomb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I do not see what everyones problem with Halo is. Halo did alot for the FPS genre by making online play more acceptable for consoles. I have yet to play any console game online that has had as good of a online multiplayer setup as Halo, and I feel that a controller is a nice change from the keyboard and mouse just every once in a while.
  • proxima, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Guys will you chill out on the Miyamoto jab? It was nothing more than a friendly joke, everyone is reading way too much into it.
    • jeo77, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8I'm with Proxima, I didn't notice Frank cussing down Miyamoto or belittling him..he just made a little joke about the whole ordeal, which is fair, considering Miyamoto claimed (and I'm not saying he can't, but still..) he could make Halo, which is obviously a project of huge importance to all of the Bungie team. Legend or not, I think Miyamoto was out of place making a remark like that, there was no reason to take a jab at Bungie's work.
    • KingGoonie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2jeo.. how was he out of place, i think most people don't get what he meant by that statement.. I think he was more like saying at this point he is more interested in making more unique type games
    • Bossman1086, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree with KingGoonie here. I don't think Miyamoto was out of place at all. He was using Halo as more of an example or the genre because it's so popular. But you know, he probably could make games like that...though, I've always known that if you want violent and more mature games, look to third parties...not Nintendo.
  • fognozzle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Did any of you not notice that he was joking in his statement about Miyamoto?

    That said, Miyamoto rocks everyone's socks when it comes to videogame innovation. He's the king... nobody will ever beat his resume (ever).
  • Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Why is it that when the Wii brings new people into gaming everyone are raving about it, but when Halo does it everybody bitch about how they're all about of 13 y/old kids that curse all the time? let me tell you something, these kids didn't start cursing because they played Halo. They were always there. Halo was just accessible enough for them to join and if that isn't innovative I don't know what is.
    You can all bitch and moan how Halo didn't bring anything new to the table compared to PC gaming. But the truth is that PCs will always be less accessible than console gaming. First, consoles are much much much much cheaper. Second, as much as the keyboard+mouse combination gives you some uber-l33t abilities, its still not accessible for most people.
    To make a game FUN (countless players have more than 1000+ matches of Halo 2 multiplayer in their arsenal, I think that pretty much proves Halo is fun) and accessible for the masses, yet retain some "hardcore gamers" respect is no easy task...

    Why every game is judged by the amount of new never-seen-before features that it introduced? it reminds me the era when CGI special effects started to become realistic (it started after the first Jurassic Park movie) and there was a race between movies to introduce new special effects. I remember until this day how the makers of "Event Horizon" were all excited how their movie included special effects of water in zero gravity. Wheepie-dee-frakking-doo. Today? nobody cares about special effects or if the movie doesn't bring a new non-familiar surrounding in at least one of its scenes. Its all about the writing and execution that make a movie good.
    Not every game has to introduce new features. Not every game needs to be something that no one has ever heard of. Some games excel at doing something that is known and loved VERY WELL. People just seem to be afraid of non-innovation in terms of features because of Electronic Art's tendencies to abuse that approach (NBA 2000, NBA 2001, NBA 2002, NBA 2003....).
    Lets look at "Heroes", shall we? its a TV show about people with special abilities. There is NOTHING innovative about it. Nothing. A group of people with special abilities trying to save the world? been done before countless times. Yet, the show rocks. Why? because it is well executed and well written.
    Halo is the same. The guys at Bungie created a sci-fi universe with interesting lore (even though the story isn't innovative either, it was done well), a unique art style and some pretty cool A.I. (gotta love those grunts). And it was all very well executed and made very accessible.

    Is it overrated? I don't think so. Saying that Halo is overrated is like saying the new Honda Civic type R is overrated just because you could buy a Ferrari (well, not YOU). Its a good game. It has its flaws but it has won the hearts of many people who didn't give a damn about your sophisticated FPS you play all day... and THAT is an achievement bigger than any new feature they might have introduced to the exciting world of blowing people up through the computer screen.
    • fognozzle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0Halo was overrated, not because it was bad, but because it was rated better than it deserved.

      It recieved high 9's and even 10's, despite criticism of repetetive level design, lacking online multiplayer, and more (most of these issues were fixed in Halo 2). That's the definition of overrated. What would the game have gotten if these issues were solved? A 12? Or a 15?

      Anyway, I think Half Life (1 and 2) puts Halo to shame in terms of the FPS genre.
  • Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I played through the first Halo game on the PC this week. It took me four sessions on normal difficulty.

    What's the big deal?
    It's alright, but nothing special AT ALL.
    How come people adore it so much?
    Did it originally come packaged with free weed or something?
    • Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1coasters2k, ***** you.

      I played the Halo demo for PC when it was brand new. I was unimpressed then, it was only because a friend had a copy on his shelf that I thought I might as well waste a few hours playing it, see if the full game offered anything more. I played other FPS games around that time too and to say Halo did anything special even by the day's standards is bull. Perhaps if I'd been used to crappy console FPS games I'd have been blown away, but my standards are a little higher than that.

      The gameplay was nothing remarkable when it was new, so shut the ***** up, you condescending *****. If you're going to make a crack at me, at least make it witty or well argued.
  • inio, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Bungie has already made (well, published) a side-scroller, long ago. It was called Abuse. a Live Arcade release of it would be cute ;)
  • Plinko14, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0 Halo: CE was and still is the most amazingly competitive console game there has ever been. The game mechanics don't transfer over to PC well because Master Chief moves too slowly and aims too quickly. Yet, on a controller, a far more imprescise instrument, the game becomes exceptionally balanced and fun at every level of play.

    Halo: CE is not special because of its Campaign, but because of its multiplayer. In my mind Halo 1's multiplayer has not been equaled by anything before it or since.

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