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- chronoleo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+53If they do bother making a Halo movie, it better do the game justice. I don't want to see another miserable failure in the area of games to movies. Halo has a lot of potential as a movie, but they could easily screw it to hell if they don't do it right - Whatever that may be.
- doctorfungi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+42As long as Uwe Boll isn't doing it....
- gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42Right, Miyamoto was owned because the Mario series is the best selling series of all time.
- 77boy84, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27Considering the fact that Golden eye 64 was one of the first FPS games to hit a console, I'd say it brought a tad more to the genre than Halo.
- grumbel, on 10/11/2007, -6/+31### Halo added absolutely nothing to the FPS genre.
Halo added the automatic recharging shild to the FPS genre, so no more collecting health packs, it also added a realistic limit on how many weapons you can carry, vehicles and separate buttons for melee attacks and grenades, thus making them actually usable instead of rotting in your inventory as in so many games before. It also was also a very important title for console network gaming and had a nice original setting (no WWII, no hell with monster). You might not like Halo and I am not a big fan of it either, but it did add plenty to the FPS genre, some of which are considered standard elements today, which they however weren't back then when Halo was released. - phrogxix, on 10/11/2007, -10/+32What an idiot. Yeah, he sure pwned Miyamoto, one of Time's 100 most influential people this year who has invented and innovated Mario, Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Wave Race, Pikmin and given input to several others.
I'll take the opinion of the guy who had the creativity and originality to work on a first person shooter where you shoot aliens and play a super soldier over his. Pssssht.
I'll tell you, Halo is a good first person shooter and I like the series... but when you've pioneered something in even the remotest way near what Miyamoto has... then talk. Making a good new car isn't the same as inventing the car. You improved on the FPS formula and have made huge sales numbers doing it. Congrats, but don't think you're even on the same level as some of the pioneers in the industry.
I'm not even getting into the misinterpretation of what Miyamoto meant. Could he make a game like Halo that would appeal to that audience? Yeah. Could he have made Halo had he wanted? I bet you he could've. But that's not where his passion or direction lies.
This all comes off as a pretty dumb and childish thing to say. Ho ho ho, that silly Japanese guy with the Zelda sword who makes 2d scrollers sure got his .... ho ho ho. - xerus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22...how was anyone owned by that statement?
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23sorry how was Miyamoto owned, because the way I see it Shigeru Miyamoto has made Donkey Kong, the Mario Brothers Series, The Legend of Zelda, and bungie has errr..... Halo......I love the Halo games but Miyamoto has done 1000x more himself then Bungie has ever done.
- xerus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21Halo brought lots of idiots to FPS gaming. I watch my friend's little 13 year old brother go onto x-box live and yell "***** jews" at everyone he plays with. Hes terrible at the game, he just goes on every night to scream at people with his squeaky voice. Its too bad... ;(
- mc7winkie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+26Stop with the damn ranting. Comparing Halo to PC games isn't fair. They are played completely different. Halo is played in a much more relaxed way with some friends in the living room while PC games are way more hardcore and competitive. Both games, Unreal and Halo, are good in their own respects and trying to call one overrated is stupid. I think Halo is fun, but I also find CS to be amazing as well. Since they are pretty much separate sub genres. Furthermore, no one says that Golden Eye 64 was crap. Did it really bring anything new to the genre? No, but it was fun. And that's what matters.
- goonbaggins, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12The directing role was offered to Guillermo del Toro, but he turned it down because he wanted to concentrate on Hellboy 2.
Maybe with the delay they'll offer it to him again, and I think he could do an incredible job with it. - anagoge, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority."
What if we apply that thinking to Paris Hilton? - Akronos, on 10/11/2007, -5/+16I'm guessing you don't know what a joke is. Good job on wasting your time writing 5 paragraphs. You sure showed him.
- DrunkPikachu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11It doesn't necessarily matter whether or not Halo brought anything new to the table. What does matter is that it's a relatively well polished FPS for a console which doesn't have much competition on the platform itself. You have a game which is fairly accessible to the average gamer with a dash of the 'Battlefield' randomness due to vehicles (getting hit by a warthog that was just blown up is always funny, when it isn't you), you pretty much have a recipe for success.
- AwesomeMonster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11@emjaymj
I have played ever major Fps release for the pc since doom. I guess that would make me a hardcore pc gamer. To say that halo did nothing for the console scene is ridiculous. Lan multi player on a console, multiple vehicle that don't feel tacked on, and a very easy to customize multi player were all landmark achievements the original halo made on the console gaming circuit. "playing it with your friends in your living room was really fun, and that was pretty much the reason agreed upon by everyone" is exactly why it took off as well. Now on to pc lately, All i can see dominating the pc gaming market in terms of multi player is buggy pieces of ***** like bf2 and especially bf2142, and counterstrike which will be there until the world ends. As for single player, halo made you fight on a scale of then epic proportions. Levels would have you doing such a wide variety of things like shooting down tanks in futuristic alien jets, bashing you're enemies with the butt of your gu in some really tight situations, and even driving as fast as you can to get off a ship thats set to detonate in 5 minutes. All of these were also executed perfectly. Now lets look at todays market, the last fps to do that well is probably hl2 or Farcry. Until then we had somewhat enjoyable but repetitious romps like F.E.A.R and quake 4. Non of which are really mind blowing, but they get the job done.
In other words, you're just a pc zealot who is too blindsided by his allegiance with it that he can't enjoy a good game if its not with moue and keyboard specified controls which make things from the other side of the hedge a little easier, which why halo is a lot different on PC. - gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1605/whatpb7.jpg
- tektalk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9I feel as though they left something out from the interview or it's that I want much much more info.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17"just digg me down Xbox fanboys."
Gotta love the digg martyrs, who offer no grounds for rebuttal other than mud-slinging and then whine about getting dugg down when in reality, they're a *****. - proxima, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Guys will you chill out on the Miyamoto jab? It was nothing more than a friendly joke, everyone is reading way too much into it.
- JustinSane, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15How much more disrespectful can you get toward the godfather of video games. That was completely uncalled for.
- relic2279, on 10/11/2007, -12/+20I love these people who say halo sucks, is overrated etc...
Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority.
Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority. At least, according to the facts. (You know, game sales, reviews, the usual)...
idiots... - RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -5/+12@emjaymj
Thats what EVERYBODY says, but there is something about Halo. I wouldn't have an Xbox 1 or stuck with the franchise buying an Xbox 360 if it weren't for the Halo series. Same reason I wouldn't have a Wii without Twilight Princess/the Zelda series. Its been said that Halo came to the right place at the right time, but Halo is just a huge phenomenon, much like very few other titles. Its the game I call home, and I wouldn't play any other game. Also, Halo PC was a failure because it offered nearly nothing new or innovative, and was just a re-iteration of the console version of the game. I owned Halo PC, it was good, but not mentionably good, and sales reflect that. - xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I am pretty sure people are misinterpreting his comments, I think want he wanted to say is he could of made a FPS, however thats not the type of game he likes to play/make.
- gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority. Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority."
The majority of who, the 8 million people who bought the game? You do realize there are two other systems from the xboxs time right? the play station 2 console sold more then triple of what the xbox did, I guess you just forgot to include them into your numbers. - itsameericle, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Damn you! *shakes fist in the air*...Family+Friends program...grumble grumble...
I've gotta wait a whole 5 more days for the Beta. Thankfully my hopes are well adjusted compared to what they were for Halo 2 (What? Aw man, they completely nerfed the pistol?! What's with the physics...its so messed up, arghh!).
Even if it "sucks" (read: is different), which it logically shouldn't based on the first two installments, I will play it a lot. - dagger57331, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I agree that Halo is somewhat of an overrated series. However, you have to admit that amongst the FPS that have online play, Halo garnered a huge following, and kept it. They kept up that huge amount of people for a long time. Halo 2 is still one of, if not the most played X-box Live game. Obviously there is something to the game if it can not only sell as many as copies as it did, but keep fans for such an extended period of time with little to no updates, as well as no modification by the community that many PC gamers can enjoy.
Halo may not have brought a lot of new things to the market, but it inarguably made the xbox a relevant system. Any game that sells systems is something special no matter how "average" it truly is. - Blue_Eon, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12I agree with phrogxix on this. It's like Lebron James calling Michel Jordan out. They basically have no clout compared to Miyamoto. Yeah, they're the hottest thing in multiplayer, but face it, Halo brought nothing new to the genre. Look at console FPS before it, like Goldeneye and Turok, and then compare them to Halo and the only thing Halo did better was graphics, and that's not actually the former games' faults considering they were on a previous gen system.
Whether you guys want to admit it or not, you, and every other gamer out there owes a lot to Miyamoto, but you can't stand it because your immature little brains can't handle the fact that he doesn't make "mature" games. This guy couldn't even hold a candle to Miyamoto when it comes to creativity and ingenuity, yet here he is talking like Halo is the end all, be all game of all time. Pfft.. Just because a game is popular or sells well, does not mean it's a great game. Look at the Madden series.
I forget who it was that said, "if you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, then it might be time to rethink where you stand." Or, something to that affect.
Halo IS overrated, just deal with it. It's not a horrible game, and it can be fun, but it certainly does not deserve the acclaim that it garners. It is an average game, that has above average online play and is accessible to the masses. - LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7"I've yet see a negative professional review about either game. So hence if you dislike it, you are a minority"
That may be your common sense talking, but that logic by itself is very, very flawed. By the way, Halo 2's not on the top 20 selling console games of all time, either (although it's only off by a little).
Also, please learn how to use reply - jeo77, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8I'm with Proxima, I didn't notice Frank cussing down Miyamoto or belittling him..he just made a little joke about the whole ordeal, which is fair, considering Miyamoto claimed (and I'm not saying he can't, but still..) he could make Halo, which is obviously a project of huge importance to all of the Bungie team. Legend or not, I think Miyamoto was out of place making a remark like that, there was no reason to take a jab at Bungie's work.
- JoeCool1986, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I can't vouch for the creativity or industry revolutionizing aspect of Halo, simply because I haven't played enough FPS to say if it's either. But I can say that I have played a lot of video games in my time (and a good many FPS, like UT, goldeney, perferct dark, rogue spear) and playing halo 4 vs. 4 or 6 vs. 6 or even 8 vs. 8 with my friends has been the absolute most fun I have ever had playing a video game. I not exaggerating one bit either. I can't describe how awesome these games are. In my personal opinion, Halo 1 was more pure fun too, just more balanced overall.
So I have to ask you, have you ever really sat down with a group of friends and gotten into Halo? It's truly an amazing game. - mustbepatient, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6C'mon everyone, the guys at Bungie are just having fun with the whole Miyamoto comment! I know tone doesn't necessarily translate into text form as well, but I'm telling you all, he wasn't serious. I think it'll be pretty funny if Bungie puts out a fun little sidescroller.
- Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10I just logged in to call you an idiot.
idiot. - LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm pretty sure Wolfenstein 3D was designed for the PC, not consoles
- emjaymj, on 10/11/2007, -8/+12Mario was created in 1981. That's right - 26 years ago. How was anybody owned? The last real game in the Mario series that was a 2d side scroller came out on the SNES. I'd like to see Halo made for that platform. Oh wait, it's not possible, so it's completely irrelevant and just shows how little intelligence the guy actually has.
- LunarOcean, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6"Considering the sales numbers of both games, popularity and following, anyone who dislikes it is in the minority.
Cannot deny the facts. It's your opinion that it's overrated and/or sucks and is not an opinion shared by the majority. At least, according to the facts. (You know, game sales, reviews, the usual)..."
The facts?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games
According to that, which has decent sources, Halo 1 and 2 have sold a combined total of 14.7 million, approximately (Notice how Halo isn't on the PC's list anywhere). Now, I'm going to be lenient and assume that every single one of those copies, both one and two, was bought by a different person. I'm also going to be lenient and say that 100% of them liked it. I'm even going to accept the credibility of 100% of the people who played it as having something decent to compare Halo to (Half-Life, UT, etc).
That would give under 15 million devout, intelligible followers. There are far more people who play games out there.
My opinion that's its overrated more than FFVII is not shared by the majority. Neither is the view that it's some badass, holy game. Unless, of course, the population you're sampling consists of the 15 million followers and me. Gotta be a bit biased for that though, eh? - DeathBorn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It's sad that Del Toro turned down the Halo movie. If he made it, and it was insanely good, he would be famous for all time. Whoever directs it, it'd better be well-made or my faith in humanity will drop to zero.
- BlindingEdge, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Anyone in the video game industry who wasn't influenced some way or another by Miyamoto was probably in the video game industry pre-1983. This bag-o-douche's comment really made it sound like he thought he is superior to Miyamoto, and I think we can all agree he most certainly is not. A piece of advice: next time you're in an interview and someone asks you about Miyamoto and his comment, simply don't answer.
- Aharoni, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Why is it that when the Wii brings new people into gaming everyone are raving about it, but when Halo does it everybody bitch about how they're all about of 13 y/old kids that curse all the time? let me tell you something, these kids didn't start cursing because they played Halo. They were always there. Halo was just accessible enough for them to join and if that isn't innovative I don't know what is.
You can all bitch and moan how Halo didn't bring anything new to the table compared to PC gaming. But the truth is that PCs will always be less accessible than console gaming. First, consoles are much much much much cheaper. Second, as much as the keyboard+mouse combination gives you some uber-l33t abilities, its still not accessible for most people.
To make a game FUN (countless players have more than 1000+ matches of Halo 2 multiplayer in their arsenal, I think that pretty much proves Halo is fun) and accessible for the masses, yet retain some "hardcore gamers" respect is no easy task...
Why every game is judged by the amount of new never-seen-before features that it introduced? it reminds me the era when CGI special effects started to become realistic (it started after the first Jurassic Park movie) and there was a race between movies to introduce new special effects. I remember until this day how the makers of "Event Horizon" were all excited how their movie included special effects of water in zero gravity. Wheepie-dee-frakking-doo. Today? nobody cares about special effects or if the movie doesn't bring a new non-familiar surrounding in at least one of its scenes. Its all about the writing and execution that make a movie good.
Not every game has to introduce new features. Not every game needs to be something that no one has ever heard of. Some games excel at doing something that is known and loved VERY WELL. People just seem to be afraid of non-innovation in terms of features because of Electronic Art's tendencies to abuse that approach (NBA 2000, NBA 2001, NBA 2002, NBA 2003....).
Lets look at "Heroes", shall we? its a TV show about people with special abilities. There is NOTHING innovative about it. Nothing. A group of people with special abilities trying to save the world? been done before countless times. Yet, the show rocks. Why? because it is well executed and well written.
Halo is the same. The guys at Bungie created a sci-fi universe with interesting lore (even though the story isn't innovative either, it was done well), a unique art style and some pretty cool A.I. (gotta love those grunts). And it was all very well executed and made very accessible.
Is it overrated? I don't think so. Saying that Halo is overrated is like saying the new Honda Civic type R is overrated just because you could buy a Ferrari (well, not YOU). Its a good game. It has its flaws but it has won the hearts of many people who didn't give a damn about your sophisticated FPS you play all day... and THAT is an achievement bigger than any new feature they might have introduced to the exciting world of blowing people up through the computer screen. - NerdzCo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5OMG gamer31, I logged in just to say you are awesome,
and also to say Take That to relic... This made my day! - fognozzle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Did any of you not notice that he was joking in his statement about Miyamoto?
That said, Miyamoto rocks everyone's socks when it comes to videogame innovation. He's the king... nobody will ever beat his resume (ever). - gamer31, on 10/11/2007, -5/+7Ninja is an example of what I hate the most, the kind of person that is so into his one series that everything else ever made is then considered crap.
- inio, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Bungie has already made (well, published) a side-scroller, long ago. It was called Abuse. a Live Arcade release of it would be cute ;)
- Bossman1086, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree with KingGoonie here. I don't think Miyamoto was out of place at all. He was using Halo as more of an example or the genre because it's so popular. But you know, he probably could make games like that...though, I've always known that if you want violent and more mature games, look to third parties...not Nintendo.
- DrunkPikachu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4@ JoeCool1986
I wasn't trying to argue that no-one hasn't taken cues from Halo, but I was saying that almost everything Grumbel listed wasn't really new to the genre. - KingGoonie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2jeo.. how was he out of place, i think most people don't get what he meant by that statement.. I think he was more like saying at this point he is more interested in making more unique type games
- SamuraiPanda, on 10/11/2007, -10/+11"If Halo 1 were released only on PC, there would have never been a sequel because PC gamers would have shrugged the game off as a boring, generic piece of crap."
Further evidence to back up your point is that Halo 1 was eventually released on the PC. The entire PC market's response: Meh. - Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I played through the first Halo game on the PC this week. It took me four sessions on normal difficulty.
What's the big deal?
It's alright, but nothing special AT ALL.
How come people adore it so much?
Did it originally come packaged with free weed or something? - FuZi0nDET, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Added nothing to the FPS market huh? No Halo no xbox 360, I'd call that significant! There is no way in hell I'd of bought an xbox let along an xbox 360 if it wasn't for Halo and its clear that Halo has sold more consoles for Microsoft than any other game to date. Comparing a game designed for a console to a p.c. title is crap. You should compare apples to apples, Halo is one of the most important fps titles ever to appear on a console.
- lemonbomb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I do not see what everyones problem with Halo is. Halo did alot for the FPS genre by making online play more acceptable for consoles. I have yet to play any console game online that has had as good of a online multiplayer setup as Halo, and I feel that a controller is a nice change from the keyboard and mouse just every once in a while.
- Flamekebab, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1coasters2k, ***** you.
I played the Halo demo for PC when it was brand new. I was unimpressed then, it was only because a friend had a copy on his shelf that I thought I might as well waste a few hours playing it, see if the full game offered anything more. I played other FPS games around that time too and to say Halo did anything special even by the day's standards is bull. Perhaps if I'd been used to crappy console FPS games I'd have been blown away, but my standards are a little higher than that.
The gameplay was nothing remarkable when it was new, so shut the ***** up, you condescending *****. If you're going to make a crack at me, at least make it witty or well argued. -
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