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- Adoozie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+171ESRB quote from the article: "Since players create [mods], it is impossible for ESRB or any rating service to consider them in assigning a rating."
Funny how that's EXACTLY WHAT THEY JUST DID. - stubbyperson77, on 10/12/2007, -6/+92rating a game M because of a mod is like rating a Winnie The Pooh movie X cuz some dude recorded a porno over the tape.
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+83We spend the first year of our lives constantly sucking on nipples.. and then we're not allowed to look at them for 17 years.
- solidblu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+80i'm gonna mod bob the builder to make bob a nude tranvestite and then release it on the net. I'll call it the hot builder.
will they then make bob the builder the kids game rated M for mature? - plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+59And in other news, The Sims rating was upgraded to M due to a "mod" that removes the blur over characters when they use the facilities or the shower....
Honestly, it is stuff like this that undermines the entire ratings system for games... You can't rate a game based on how users might be able to modify it... If so, pretty much any game would have to get a rating of M or AO. - XxN3RDC0R3xX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+54I still don't get why seeing the human body is wrong...
- thegreatsam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+50I would love to see a Nude mod for an "E" title like Barbie Fasion Show. Would the ESRB give it an "M" rating then?
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+49"'Parents across the country depend on ESRB ratings every day to make sensible choices about the games they bring home for their families,' said ESRB president Patricia Vance"
That's why Oblivion, with many times over multiple murder and assassination scenes, was perfectly OK, but with the vague chance of OMG OMG OMG female... wait for it... breasts... OMG *if* the game is hacked OMG OMG is now something the ESRB must notify parents of so they can make (cough) "sensible" choices...
Patricia Vance, and everything her ESRB organization stands for, is moronic. On a good day.
But you know what? My America deserves this. My country is so sick and lost with regard to sexuality that only the Muslims really manage to make us look progressive. - Adoozie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44And in both cases the content was completely inaccessible without a mod.
- dadrox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40Thank god this was caught in time before any impressionable teenagers were able to see *gasp* boobies.
I'm pretty sure virtually any teen can see pictures of REAL boobs anytime they want, nowadays. In my day, we had to bury stolen Playboys by the stump in the field.
*sigh* Anyway, when is this kinda overreaction gonna stop?
nudity != pr0n - prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41I expect to start seeing things like "User content has not been rated" like the "deleted scenes and extra content not rated" warning on dvds.
- xodex, on 10/12/2007, -6/+38There's absolutely no boob physics in that, why bother? ;)
- Frank_the_Tank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Ask the Puritans... ;-)
- dallen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30When news breaks, we fix it
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28"I expect to start seeing things like "User content has not been rated" like the "deleted scenes and extra content not rated" warning on dvds."
Online games already have this:
"Game experience may change during online play."
As a side note, I agree 100% with plamoni. - dbre2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29So I'm guessing The Sims will be getting a similar rating?
- rileyjt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Its just ridiculous to rate a game based on a 3rd party mod. Any game or application that offers skinning options can easily have mature content added to it.
- tkerwin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25I approve of your plan, but how can the player tell that bob is a transvestite if he is also nude?
- akira117, on 10/12/2007, -6/+30Video of the patch that I have recorded:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5142082120375948319&q=oblivion+patch&pl=true - EternalDarkWing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20"If your child is able to do such things, he is already looking at porn on the internet."
That's what I say all the time. - shaun944, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22wow upon seeing the video, one has to wonder if the ESRB board knows what breasts look like, because things are about as erotic as well, I don't know...my mousepad has a round bump for a wristguard, does it need an M rating because it might resemble a breast?
- bclark, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22Try again...
"as well as the presence of a locked-out art file or 'skin' that, if accessed through a third party modification to the PC version of the game, allows the user to play with topless versions of female characters"
In other words, the nude skin is already in there, just locked out. Sort of like the sexual content in GTA. A user-created mod simply unlocked the boobies, much like the hot coffee "mod". - zacharychaos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Please stopping ripping on the poster. He used "Breaking" because it was the TITLE of the story! Not because he was trying to get attention. Please click on the link before commenting.... -sigh-
- e3mw, on 10/12/2007, -16/+33Because christians are running this country if not publicly then privately.
Sad but true. - intent, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19jgreath, you're referring to something beyond the means of the average Digg user!
Just kidding...(wrath of -100 diggs coming my way) - Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16................does anybody hear that? It's Jack Thompson warming up his propaganda machine to file some "legal briefings" about anti-game legislation.
Come on, people, it's an animated pair of breasts. I don't see why people get up into so much of a fervor when a nipple is shown. We all have them.
Also, it's not like this content can be accessed out of the box anyway. You have to download patches, replace textures, so on and so forth. If your child is able to do such things, he is already looking at porn on the internet. - PepeGSay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14What is different is that in the Hot Coffee mod there was an *entire mini game included* including button sequences for position changes and such. In the case of Oblivion there is a texture that represents boobies..... in other words the same texture as the men except some dark pixels in one place for shading and a cluster of dark pixels in another for a nipple. That texture is used for nothing in the game except to provide shape to what lays over it, just like they do when real people are fully clothed. No where in the actual game is the texture ever used alone. The change for gore is asinine and the change for the booby mod is asinine, plain and simple.
Think of it this way: REAL PEOPLE have boobies under their clothes, just like the characters in the game. The game only provides a way to see it if you modify it, JUST LIKE REAL PEOPLE. The ESRB is essentially saying that in a game it isn't ok for characters *IN A FREAKING GAME* to have non visible boobs under their clothes... I mean *come one*! This whole thing just drives me nuts.
I downloaded the "bigger boobies" mod myself.... all the women in my version of Tamriel are mexican boob job porn stars, lol - prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Maybe the bra-strap tanlines that Bob has?
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Man this is stupid. I was playing the Sims with naked lesbians way before this.
- Lumiras, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13exactly. I mean, do people not realize that things follow the path of least resistance?
If you're a kid looking for some good old fashioned sexual deviation, are you going to buy Oblivion, track down this mod, install it, get it working, create a breast-exposing character, and then go to town just so you can get your jollies? No, you're going to go to a porn site and be done in 5 minutes. It's worlds easier.
I really don't think that Bethesda put these textures into the game with the thought "oh, let's corrupt children all over the world by showing them orc breasts!" - ameotoko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Actually, it's more like Reader's Digest being pulled from the shelves because it has pictures of women in it--women who have naked breasts underneath their clothing.
- Dabellah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14To the ESRB - Who the ***** cares?
- Hebug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I think the ESRB should start handing out ratings to porn websites. Just to make sure parents know.
- andyd273, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13You know, its also going to make your defense stats suck to run around without armor on you upper half...
- sporkwitch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I want someone to take an afternoon (that's ALL it would probably take) and mod Barbie for nudity. Let's see what the ESRB has to say to that, maybe then they'll seriously think about what they're doing with these ratings lately. Seriously, if we did that, and got it enough publicity (the media loves this, so it wouldn't take much to get it out there), the ESRB would be FORCED to respond, especially if we mentioned the Oblivion and GTA issues when informing the press.
The media is always attacking gamers and geeks, let's try and use the conservatives' own weapon against them. - jgreath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Or get a girlfriend. Or a stripper.
- Zonkzor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Why do half of the Digg headlines have to have some variation of "Breaking News!!" in the title now?
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Why do they hide the content? Because the devs, naughty monkeys that they are, put junk in the game late on the 49th straight day of midnight coding, purely for their own personal amusement, and they disable it just before mastering because it's easier than removing it entirely. In this case, having a "nude" skin texture can actually help the artists in developing clothed textures, getting the shading done right, folds and such.
Remember, kids, you can shank that dark elf whore until she bleeds on the pavement, but just don't ogle her titties. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The model in the game are always nude. There just draped with clothing.
The cloth texture is not "baked" on to the model.
This is just stupid. The models don't even have any dangly bits.
So at what point did the US be come so puritanic.
I guess iran iraq and other crazy places are rubbing off on them.
So when are they going to take up public stoning?
Hello, people are naked under the clothing news at 11. - dark1152, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@phppirate
Even though ESRB ratings are not law, they greatly impact sales. Many retailers require age verification to match the ESRB rating on games. Since the games are no longer accessible to the same people (not to mention how ill-informed parents are afraid of the 'scary' M) the sales will decrease. - jhunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Jesus Christ, when will this kind of ***** end?
- olego, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@ptbw
Because Barbie's nipples aren't darkened. A touch of paint is the difference between E and M. - darthrsg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Check the Mayan calendar...
- shaun944, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9There is something wrong with this country.
- SuperBeast, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Can we please not have anymore articles that say "Breaking News" or anything like that in it?
- scorpioX, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18xodex: There's absolutely no boob physics in that, why bother? ;)
Exactly. They don't move at all - I want some jiggle! :-D - birch25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Because christians are running this country if not publicly then privately."
i, a christian, have no problem with anyone seeing breasts, vaginas, or penises. it's the prudes holding us back. wtf is wrong with people seeing the human body? nothing.
this is totally different than the hot coffee incident, and even that was blown way out of proportion. if you're under 17, you shouldn't even be playing gta. many american kids have had real sex by the time they're 17 anyway.
i hate america's ideology. violence=ok nudity/sex=HOLY *****! save the children!!!! - loup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8IIRC the mod actually does change the model used in the game. The content originally included with the game had an additional mesh placed over the breasts of the female models to hide them, the mod replaces the original model with one that has the mesh removed
- ptbw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7any child with hands or feet can get Barbie naked, why isn't SHE rated M?
- plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry for the dupe comment (see above), but dbre2 is right, there *is* nude content on the Sims, it is "barbie doll nudity", but it is there nonetheless. It only requires a simple mod to remove the "blur" that covers it.
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