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- Evi1d33d, on 07/17/2008, -1/+168For a second I thought Blizzard pit their employees against the bots in a PvP.
- aIucard, on 07/17/2008, -3/+85Blizzard should have designed their own bots to fight the WowGlider bots. I think that would be the ultimate way to settle the issue.
- doremon313, on 07/17/2008, -2/+63people are getting so lazy these day that they even have their video game characters automated
- Fhwqhgads, on 07/17/2008, -23/+80Good.
Whatever they can do to get these cheating ***** off the game I'm all for it. - Fathom, on 07/17/2008, -2/+32He's not lying, this happens all the time. You agree to it in the EULA. Their program to detect it, Warden, also looks at everything on your desktop and all open windows.
- kolyana, on 07/17/2008, -6/+32I've played a few MMOs in my time and the BOTs kill me, I mean they totally ruin the gaming experience. I can totally digg any software house/publisher trying to curb this through whatever means that they can, but I find it puzzling that this is the route that Blizzard has taken ... I find it questionable that copyright has been infringed (although this is, granted, without seeing the source code of Glider and really understanding technically what it is doing).
I'll watch this one with some interest. - Murdats, on 07/17/2008, -2/+27@poperatz0
morally and socially wrong, legally right.
this is that line where you start dealing with peoples personal freedoms, and sometimes letting jerks be jerks is better then the loss of freedom.
what next microsoft sues you for using certain programs because they interact with the memory that windows manages? - Ricky81682, on 07/17/2008, -0/+25Probably related to some of the backwards engineering needed to get character details or other programming stuff. The DMCA has been completely abused.
- MxM111, on 07/17/2008, -3/+27Can anyone explain how on earth Glider breaks Digital Millennium Copyright Act? Does it use art from the game or something?
- ZimbuTheMonkey, on 07/17/2008, -2/+26Here's an idea. Maybe if you actually had some will power, you could manage a hobby like WoW AND a job AND a woman (yes, they are more than just vaginas). Having sex and playing World of Warcraft or any other game aren't mutually exclusive if you have some control over yourself.
- cobainirvana, on 07/17/2008, -7/+28WHO CARES!? GIVE US RELEASE DATES FOR SC2 AND D3!!
- lithera, on 07/17/2008, -1/+21The program (glider) copies some data from WoW to the RAM. Since Blizzard probbaly couldnt find another way to sue the makers of the bot they took this as a breach of their EULA and the DMCA
- PhantomRogue, on 07/17/2008, -1/+20The Glider does NOT copy the data into RAM.
Glider just accesses that Data that Blizzard writes to the RAM. The problem is that, since its now ruled illegal, technically, you now don't own the copy of WoW that is running on your PC (as was previously believed). Glider uses the RAM access (WoW.exe file loaded into RAM), to modify the gameplay. The issue is that, previously, this was believed to be fine, since you arent modifying the actual EXE, but the data its accessing, but now its not. - kewidogg, on 07/17/2008, -2/+21That would have been more interesting at least
- AnotherDiggGuy, on 07/17/2008, -11/+29After looking around, I came accross this comment - "As one who was banned, I knew the job was dangerous when I took it. I wasn't even using Glider but it was on my hard drive so I was in violation plain and simple."
Since when is it legal for Blizzard to ban people based on some files on your hard drive? Being caught using it is one thing.
Maybe this guy was lying, but if he's not, there has to be some serious legalities of even scanning ones computer looking for shady applications that are not running. - sandiegodude, on 07/17/2008, -6/+23I haven't played WoW for a good 6 months now, but the bots were terrible back in the day. Common farming areas were always full of them running around in a circuit killing the same monsters over and over again, following the exact same path, plus a few more running against walls because their pathing somehow got screwed up.
As for people saying "I had it on my hard drive and I got banned but I didn't use it" heh, they're full of *****. Blizzards loader does look at your running processes at startup, but it doesn't scan your storage devices. All its doing is checking for known keyloggers (which it will warn you about) and known botting/cheat progs. - calibration, on 07/17/2008, -1/+18Then don't play, how hard is that?
- blankis, on 07/17/2008, -7/+24Dugg for picture of the Halazzi encounter.
Yeah, I'm a loser. - whyufail, on 07/17/2008, -4/+21Here's an idea. If playing the game isn't fun then, I dunno. STOP PLAYING THE GAME *****! Your first mistake was playing a POS like WoW
- GreatSunJester, on 07/17/2008, -2/+19If you are not having fun from 1 to 70 then you are doing something wrong... like playing.
Blizzard needs a new server called DaWhiner. You create a max leveled, epic geared character from day one. All gear in the game is available to be used by all chaaracters, and each class can use the abilities of any other class. No transfers to or from it. - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+17FTA
"Despite this decision Justice Campbell did not side with Blizzard in its claim that MMOGlider broke the terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act." - thelif, on 07/17/2008, -2/+19Have you SEEN the KJ drops?
- Scanner, on 07/17/2008, -10/+27Having lost a good year of my life to WoW (now recovered) I think its really really dumb for people to be using bots.
When you sign up for a game like this you know going in its a grind fest that you will never win, and if you do "WIN" they just add more to grind for. A bot might bring you short term quick gains but overall will inflate the in game economy negating your new found wealth and make playing the game after that even HARDER.
I don't really care about the legalities of the bot, Blizzard retains the right to ban anyone they want for any reason and good for them. In the long run you are really just hurting yourself.
Besides, that warm spot between a womans legs (or man if you are one of the 4 women playing WoW) is WAY better than any epic item. - SpudgeBoy, on 07/17/2008, -2/+18You should have found a girl that plays WoW. There are a lot more than four. I sit next to one when I'm playing and I am in a guild of couples. Yep, couples that WoW together stay together and touch each others warm spots.
- MortVent, on 07/17/2008, -2/+16Actually glider runs the WoW executable in a sandbox area of ram so it can not detect the bot program.
Which violates the user agreement, which in turn makes it illegal to copy the software into the sandbox.
Which is where they managed to bite them legally. - blankis, on 07/17/2008, -1/+15Things haven't changed. Unguilded Beast Mastery hunters running around farming stuff in outland. It isn't difficult, though, to create a route that the horde bot-farmers use.
Easy way to get a few hundred honor in a very small amount of time. - SpudgeBoy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+13Then you clearly haven't played since patch 2.3 when they made it easier to get from level 20-60. No grond. I was level 42 last week and am headed to Outlands later today (60). Not much grind there. I can't turn in quests fast enough or I level out of them too fast.
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -1/+14I am so one of those women.
I love that game.
I hate the bots.
I've got a job, a wow playing husband and wow.
What more could I ask for. - thelif, on 07/17/2008, -0/+13No, we have real people that click stuff.
- inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12Breaking news:
Everything breaks DCMA - Andrwmorph, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12A friend of mine was hit with the banhammer for having it on his desktop (he didn't use it once).
- KaiUno, on 07/17/2008, -0/+12CHEAP GOLDZ?
- str3ama, on 07/17/2008, -3/+14So instead of just having to shut down his business, now the owner(Michael Donnelly) is going to probably have to pay a huge fine to Blizzard if it moves up to a jury in September, as well as shut down. If he presses the case, he better hope that the jury has some Warcraft players who are pro-cheats.
- sodade, on 07/17/2008, -0/+11Your friend is a douche and I hope someone kicks his ass.
- minoss, on 07/17/2008, -1/+12This ruling has basically made ANY program that violates ANY EULA now copyright infringement and hence illegal. Their argument is that because a computer "copies" the program to ram while it runs, and if you break the EULA you are no longer allowed to "copy" the program to ram, hence it's copyright infringement to break the EULA.
This is yet another case where courts make a major ***** up with regards to technology. - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10Nah, the chances of the world ending in a totally ***** bad-ass apocalyptic robot war would be too high.
- P0peRatz0, on 07/17/2008, -17/+27Does anyone here think it's OK for these little ***** companies to build software with the sole purpose of ***** up a popular online game?
Forget for a moment the legal aspects. Can't they find some other way to make money besides ***** things up for the rest of us? - Tbab, on 07/17/2008, -1/+11I actually enjoyed leveling and grinding more than I did the endgame. Better sense of progression. Plus having to commit 3 to 4 (or more) hours to do a raid is a real pain in the ass. Especially back in the day, when there were 40-man raids. Man, what a time sink.
- bzaks, on 07/17/2008, -0/+10And that's a problem how?
- Scopitone, on 07/17/2008, -4/+13"Oh, this weed/coke/gun in my car/house isn't mine officer. I just have it here. I wasn't going to use it. I just like HAVING things that I know are illegal to both possess and use. But if you bust me for this, you're violating my rights to do whatever the ***** I want!"
- Ellipsys, on 07/17/2008, -5/+14This opens a huge loophole for *AA organizations - Basically, the ruling states that loading a copy into RAM, which of course is required to play, can be considered a separate copy from the one that's on your hard drive. Glider doesn't interact with or modify anything server side. If Blizz wanted to reduce bot use, their damnable Warden program should have been enough. People who bot run the risk of being banned, but to take it to this legal level and tear a huge hole in the concept of fair use just to pin down a bot maker on a new technicality, disgusts me. I can't wait to hear the **AAs start telling people that the copy of the music playing out of your speakers is different from the one contained on the MP3 on your hard drive, whenever they feel like busting someone for piracy. Bravo, Blizz legal department. I really hope this is overturned soon.
- Mohdoo, on 07/17/2008, -2/+11Youch! This is really going to be hurting China's economy.
- djlethal, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12WoW isn't a game... its a lifestyle..
- Murdats, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12if you agree to let some antivirus scan your computer are you going to bitch?
any time there is an update, you have to click "I Agree" part of agreeing is you agree that you will not have certain programs installed on your computer and that you give permission for it to check, if you dont agree, they have the right to stop serving you just as much as a restaurant does based on your shoes. - punkcat, on 07/17/2008, -2/+11oh noes someone took my fellweed.
- whyufail, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8I'm glad they shut those botting idiots down with a vengeance(cry more botters ;_;), but their means of doing it was destructive and obnoxious. The whole idea that modifying things in RAM can be considered a "record" to be turned over or be used to violate copyright is a terrible idea.
- Murdats, on 07/17/2008, -4/+12he wasnt going to shut down, and he chose to fight this fight rather then comply, he lost, he has to deal with it.
- ivantalboys, on 07/17/2008, -2/+10Blizzard are not obliged to provide you with access to their game. They would probably fall fowl of the law if they said you could play because your black or old or a woman. But if they want to ban you they can.
- Travelsonic, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8Accepting them, IMO, mean *****.
If for example something turns out to be illegal/un-enforcable, then it's un-enforcable/illegal regardless of whether or not you accepted it. - Fathom, on 07/17/2008, -13/+20They're just playing the way they want to play, without hours of mind-numbing grinding. If Blizzard really wants to defeat these botters they should just fix the game so it's not so boring, especially in the lower to mid levels.
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