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- frofro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+44I grew up with the SNES. Final Fantasy III, Chrono Trigger, and Secret of Mana are some of my all-time favorite games.
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -3/+41I'm so going to get dugg down for this...
Pokemon! (Diamond and Pearl look to fulfill a needed turn-based RPG fix) - overbored454, on 10/12/2007, -8/+32I will always love turn-based RPGs. Still, I think that at the time when I played them in the 1980s (way back on the PC, long before consoles even thought about tasting them), they were turn based for two reasons. 1) Because that was the way RPGs were played and 2) it was stress free on the systems.
We fast forward now to a new generation. Most of the new generation has never played a table top RPG and would have no reason to accept a turn based RPG. Consoles can kick out fantastic graphics with awesome power. Bringing games to a crawl is almost like driving a Porsche around a retirement home parking lot. - gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19"You have to wait for your powers to 'recharge'"
Guild Wars has that too. How is that turn-based? Turn-based means Player A does his jazz. Player B does his jazz. Player C (optional) does his jazz, etc. Repeat process. Think of card games like Magic: The Gathering (does anyone even play that anymore?). If it doesn't have turns, it isn't turn-based. - Wisgary, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Turn based RPG fans are in it for the strategy and the plot, not for the action. Most RPGs now are easy, but back in the SNES era you had to prepare for dungeon romps, buy potions, buy armor and weapons, sell old stuff, level up your characters, and then while in the battles use the right combinations of items/healing spells/attacks/attack spells to actually win. Like anything, it's fun when you're into it.
The whole thing loses its point when you can easily coast through the game though, which is why many people just get bored of them now. - quaunaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Just for the distinction, Secret of Mana isn't turn based.
- electronicmaji, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It will never die as long as japan exists.
- jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I've never understood FPS where you could get shot w/ multiple AK-47 rounds and live.
- 7levels, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21I grew up playing Super Mario RPG, and i still play it all the time. That game was the *****
- zerokill, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17it would be nice if there would be a few indie developers that would develop the 60+ hours turnbased rpgs. I also love turn based RPG, lot more strategy involved :P. good times with FF :)
I do hope square will make a big distinction between FF13 and FF versus 13 where versus will be the action packed one en 13 will be the traditional one. - jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Why is he getting dugg down.
Mario RPG is one of the best RPGs there is and I HATE Mario - Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Yeah, I still play the Pokemon series (I'm 18) because they still retain the old NES RPG feel. But the problem is that nobody much likes classic RPGs anymore unless it is the new Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest. Paper Mario and tales of Symphonia are some of the better ones I played recently, but all the others are just bland Japanese crap that they churn out every month. With all the horse power that the new consoles have they need to really do some thing unique (Other than a massive and impractical sword that looks downright stupid with their skater punk reject clothes.)
- v0lrath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Board games rule.
- Zaetha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Dugg because he mentions Earthbound, one of the best RPG of all time. (Well, "Mother" to be precise).
SMASH!!! - ohearn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Heathen, Defiler, Heretic!!
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You know what might need to be introduced to help boost turn-based RPGs? Interrupts.
I'm not sure if any games have this yet, but I know that card games (MTG) had them for a while. Instants could be played whenever, as could taps, despite the turn-based structure of the game. The same thing needs to happen in RPGs, and one avenue provides an efficient way of doing this: the DS Touchscreen.
With any other control mechanism, you'd need to maneuver through a series of menu options via the D Pad or control stick just to get to the thing you want to do. With the DS, it's simply a matter of tapping the option. It helps, because interrupts need fast reflexes. The DS Touchscreen can allow for turn-based RPGs which utilize interrupts, making for more interesting gameplay. Other things could be added too, like the ability to try and dodge an attack if done quick enough, etc.
Just some ideas, that's all. - thepxc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I agree with thetaoofbill. GTFO.
- somunny, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11My favorite classical RPG is Beethoven V.
- Iknockstuffdown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I prefer The Adventures Of Beethoven IV: Dragon Isle.
Parts one through three weren't the greatest. - phredgreen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The original Final Fantasy was the first video game I ever beat. I still have the cartridge and the nintendo power guide sitting in a box somewhere in the closet.
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I'm thinking about dusting off my poor, disused PS2 and giving FFXII a shot, just to see if there's any hope for the future. If that doesn't pull my chain, I'll always have ROMs. - IknowKungFu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well people have short attention spans, and need to see yield for their work quickly. I played all the turn based RPG's in the day, and I still love them. However I simply don't have enough time to play them anymore. Final Fantasy XII is still on the shelf waiting to be beaten... work school and everything else got in the way. As much as I love the style and the sweeping epic stories, and amazing scores it's just not a possibility for me personally anymore.
In addition it's also a matter of the market getting stale. It's been pointed out several times before me that the plots are stale and generic. If the main hero or heroine has amnesia one more time, and it turns out to be that they are the long foretold hero to save the world from this and that evil, I'm going to throw my console out the window. The mechanics of the game never sold the game for many people, the standard Final Fantasy battle system doesn't sell the game, the story and sound and powerful emotions that the game evokes from you. That's why action games and shooters sell now. I know I'm going to get dugg down for this but, Halo is not really the most spectacular game. It's a great game don't get me wrong, but it's a shooter. Most are generic, and the same. What sets Halo apart is the fact that it's play is so smooth, the graphics are awesome, the plot isn't stupid, and it's just plain good. Finishing it although not as great a sense of accomplishment as say finishing Dragon Quest VIII, it was much easier to achieve. - bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hell yes, check out Enchanted Arms for the 360, it's by ubisoft and not really japanese but it's a great turned based current gen RPG
- PlaidPhantom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I never understood this whole 'game' thing. I just go outside and hit random strangers with blunt objects.
- mrRB, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well, aren't you two secure in your sexuality.
- NYG1988, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Chrono Trigger is and will always be my favorite game. Play it all the time.
- deviouskoopa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yeah, Final Symphony VII of course! Mozart and Bach save the planet from destruction haha... music fanboys dream.
Okay, so I don't think I could come up with a lamer pun to save my life...
EDIT: Okay damn and digg down this comment to the fiery hell of Digg... someone already made the horrible pun. - WanderLink, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I'm pretty sure "the Bible" isn't an author or poet.
- Zimzap, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13The article was a good read buy how could they honestly not include Earthbound? It is widely refered to as one of the best RPGs of all time with Chrono Trigger.
Starman FTW! - DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Myko, Cecil and Terra beg to differ with you.
- x0rtrunks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The article DID include Earthbound, just under it's original name: Mother. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EarthBound_%28series%29
"Eventually Final Fantasy, Megami Tensei, **Mother**, Phantasy Star, Ys and the numerous RPGs that followed came to build a genre that would push the amount of content that was expected from a retail game and provide countless cherished memories to a generation of gamers." - Gir53457, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Western RPGs rely more on the skill and immersion of the player and thus the action oriented play styles. So it's fair to call them action RPGs and not turn based RPGs.
- DrScott, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Fallout series.
- MrFlesh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Another ***** "What the fans want" article...like the one about Id being pushed to consoles cause of piracy.....nobody wants a shorter simpler RPG except thier makers......so they don't have to write as compelling of a story and don't have to put as much effort for the same amount of pay off.......my evidence....Elder scrolls oblivion. Sure it's an action RPG but it is anything but short. It's not about finishing it quickly it's about the journey.....however that has to be compelling enough for people to keep playing. Yes the stories are getting stale and repeated like every other story line for any game, but that's because everyone is worried about making the money....not having the product make the money. The industry is moving torwards graphics and action because it's the easiest and there for the cheapest to produce and it applies to the least common denominator which means the most potential money......sure they're a business in it for the money but that's all it's become like music a quest for money........that's why the same damn rap song has been playin' since the early 90's......I think this is the reason why the gaming community in japan is shrinking.
- Ascendant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Phred, definitely dust off your PS2 and give FFXII a shot. (Also, call your friends and tell them they may not be seeing you as much over the next month or so)
IMHO, the best Final Fantasy since VI. - GabeUtsecks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There is going to be an X-Box 360 RPG starring Frederic Chopin. Seriously.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/objects/761/761569.html - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Breath of Fire.
- WaterJake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Grinding is bad
- skyhighrockets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ahem, Wakfu.com, Dofus.com
- desertrose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Of course we are.
Cause, I mean, you two probably play WoW and have a REAL life, right? - balloot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Am I the only person who thinks that FF3 for SNES (aka FF6) represented the pinnacle of turn-based RPGs? I think the transition to Playstation ruined everything. FF7 felt like I was guiding along an interactive movie instead of playing a video game. IMHO, RPGs killed themselves by introducing 10 minute sequences where the player doesn't do anything but watch. I, for one, get bored way too easily to deal with that.
- nzknzknzk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You idiot, Zelda is not an RPG. Because it has swords and is set in the past does not mean it is an RPG...
Do you level up? Gain experience? Etc.
It's an action adventure.
/logged in just to say that - sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Xenogears is my #1. Those awesome button combo attacks practically made the game. The new Xenosaga series sucks though.
- jdiggity, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Classical RPG? wtf mate
- EochaidRiata, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3EochaidRiata rolls 2d20 to hit WanderLink with mace.
- jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Axis and Allies anyone?
- Wahoo06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have always loved this genre myself. For anyone here looking for a good series of handheld RPGs, the Golden Sun games were excellent. They are GBA games (I would love to see a Golden Sun DS or Wii game), but they are expansive, utilizing the power of the GBA while still holding true to RPGs of the past. I have heard that Camelot may be in the middle of another RPG project, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Dragon Quest was always great. Some complain they are too simple, but they hold great plots and are just a lot of fun. I look forward to DQ: Swords and DQ:IX.
Otherwise, it does seem that RPGs are suffering. The improved graphics and abilities of these new systems should be used to enhance the RPG, not strip it. - flipside3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'd love to see Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, and some of the Final Fantasy's make it on to the Wii.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes and no. I like playing those kind of RPGs once-in-a-while, but the fighting aspect sometimes gets very patterned. Fight->Fight->Fight->Fight->Magic/Heal->Fight->Fight
One annoying thing that's happening more and more: The character casts a high-level spell/summon and it takes a long time to watch some animation execute. It's cool the first 5 times watching but after using it for the 200th time... "Stop dancing around and blow the bad guy's ass away already!" I love that a lot of NIS games let you that turn that off.
Still, I'll get hooked to a game that takes me into a world and tells me a great story. - henrythehorse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I blame the dying of smart intuitive games on Microsoft's Xbox. The typical Xbox/Xbox 360 user only knows games as far as shooters and/or EA Sports titles, the too most linear genres in gaming. Microsoft only pushes out Shooters which are worthless in all areas but maybe multiplayer. Have all the exclusive shooters that you want 360 because no one else is missing them.
How I hate Microsoft's involvement in console video gaming, Xbox is definitely when video games jumped the shark... - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5a casualty of everyone's attention defecit.
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