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- NaziHatinChimp, on 10/01/2008, -3/+143Ok THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT FILE SHARING. All you people hear are the words Copyright infringement and you are all over Activision.
These people were burning discs of the games and then RESELLING them. That is wrong even in the pirates eyes. - wrek, on 10/01/2008, -3/+70Yeah, if you get sued for piracy and they say something like "if you get a lawyer, it's going to be worse", get a lawyer that second. This is legal bullying.
- gordeh, on 10/01/2008, -2/+37It seems odd that the numbers vary so differently for each infringer. Clearly the lack of legal representation is affecting the results.
Is it legal for activision to threaten the following: "If he were to get an attorney, he was informed, he would have to pay even more."? - reed311, on 10/02/2008, -3/+34These people weren't just file sharing, they were selling burned copies of games. So, before anyone jumps on here to defend these poor theives -- please keep that in mind.
- ukfan, on 10/02/2008, -2/+26No, true pirates steal stuff.
- aimnano, on 10/02/2008, -3/+24I can agree with this. Selling burnt copies crosses the line. Although I'd say the income that torrent and filesharing sites acquire via advertising doesn't. It's a fine line, but I agree. Pirating is about getting something for free (knowledge, information, entertainment)...not profiting from it.
- ObeseEurotrash, on 10/02/2008, -8/+28Pirating is still stealing, and I'll still do it.
but the difference between me and most diggers is that yes, I would also steal a game from a store.
Long live real pirates. - ObeseEurotrash, on 10/02/2008, -2/+20Wow you must know some gay ass pirates.
- TheCheeks, on 10/02/2008, -1/+13No one will EVER win against piracy.
- spvn, on 10/01/2008, -1/+12What's so "secret" about this war?
- inajeep, on 10/01/2008, -4/+13"The RIAA-style tactics here don't seem to be a coincidence. "Activision's lead attorney on the cases, Karin Pagnanelli, has worked on numerous copyright cases on behalf of clients in the music business," GamePolitics reported. "
Here we go again. - TechnoRabbit, on 10/02/2008, -3/+11gay ass pirates :D
- BugMeNot2, on 10/02/2008, -3/+10gay ass-pirates :D
- counterplex, on 10/02/2008, -0/+7There's not a one-to-one correlation between a pirated copy of a game and a lost sale. There are two main reasons for that.
1. People who pirate a game are less likely to have purchased it in the first place otherwise they wouldn't have gone to the lengths required to obtain (among other things) a copy of the game and crack while most probably sacrificing any online features that the game offers. If you assume that at a minimum 2 pirated copies of the game result in a single lost sale that would still be high but would at least point to the lack of one-to-one correlation between piracy and loss of sales.
2. Electronically downloading a copy of the game doesn't deprive any store of any of the physical copies of the game available for sale there. Therefore any store which orders the game from the vendor in anticipation of sales (which numbers are adjusted for piracy) will still have 100% of their inventory available for sale. With physical theft the store would have lost 1 (or more) physical copies of the game which they wouldn't be able to sell to an actual customer thus constituting a loss of sale. Clearly then pirating the game does not result in a one-to-one loss of sale.
Therefore it isn't appropriate or logical to compare physical theft to pirating a game by downloading it.
Most vendors these days already know the solution to the piracy problem - provide compelling online content that only customers of the physical game can access (due to a CD key that's constantly checked for duplicates across all servers etc). However, it seems it's cheaper and easier just to add insane DRM (a la Spore) and kill their product by punishing legitimate users instead. - barc0001, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6No, it's not. If Bob downloads a game, he probably wasn't going to bother paying for it to begin with, so it's not a lost sale. If Bob goes and buys it off one of these clowns, he had obviously planned to spend money on it, and the publisher/game studio gets screwed when the pirate takes the cash instead. That's the difference.
- Azerael, on 10/02/2008, -0/+6The real question is; who is stupid enough to pay for pirated content when you can get it off the internet for free?
- barc0001, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3Lots of people don't know where to get stuff online, but if there's someone down the street at the sketchy game store in the sketchy mall selling something for $5 a copy, they're all over that. Happens a lot in Vancouver/Burnaby/Richmond. The cops sweep Aberdeen Mall and the Crystal Mall every few months and find crates of pirated game discs on sale for $5-$10 each. Actually, Aberdeen seems to have mostly cleaned its act up, but the Crystal Mall is still a hotbed of piracy in convenient retail format.
- Jedakiah, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3I try to support good digital content producers. Currently the only way for me to do this with video games, is to buy them. I still download some. But if the game turns out to be good I will buy it.
That is not to say that I have anything against you stealing the games. If that's your fancy have at it.
But I personally feel a responsibility to support these people so that they can continue to provide me with worthwhile content. - veriix, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3With a boat and everything?!
- CarnivalOfDust, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3Then make sure you get some evidence of them saying that stuff. It'll give ya a better chance in court if you can prove they're trying to game the system.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3"Whatever Activision is paying you, I'll double it."
- ukfan, on 10/02/2008, -1/+4No one will ever win against speed limits but it doesn't stop the cops from giving people tickets.
- knight2001, on 10/02/2008, -0/+3True but they make a nice home for your downloaded copy. :P
- Ymeg, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2So if I just randomly killed you, it would not be wrong?
- GOOFOFFJW, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3That being true would lead to the conclusion that murder is quite OK as long as it benefits you and you don't get caught.
I'm not going to try and say that we should all get our morals from the Bible or the Koran or wherever, but for some reason or another, most people have a "moral" code which tells them personally what is "right" and "wrong". This code can vary quite a lot from person to person, but it seems that each of us has things that we consider right and wrong. - benologist, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Bob is paying when he sees a pile of ad impressions on his way through a torrent site.
So what's the difference? - inactive, on 10/02/2008, -6/+8"Activision's stupid war against own public image."
Fix'd - Mononuclear, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2A lot of people don't have high-speed internet or have bandwidth caps or just lack the knowledge of how to download stuff. Downloading a 4GB game would take months. Buying the game from the dude on the corner is much easier for many people. In the US selling pirated cds isn't a big thing but in many other countries pirated music, games, and movies on cds and dvds is huge.
- stillmilking, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3***** the RIAA!
- gym7rjm, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2A while back I had the urge to play Starcraft online but all I had was a copy of the game from my brother and we couldn't find the CD key because we were missing the case.
In my nostalgic need to play I ended up finding a CD key from a picture of a CD case in an eBay ad. worked like a charm - TommyHigh, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Problem is, the bastards don't leave games in the cases anymore.... And empty cases don't make for much fun...
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -6/+8"Wrong even in the pirate's eyes" Listen pal, there's no such thing as "right" and "wrong"
there are:
- things that are legal
- things that are illegal
- things that benefit you
- things that don't benefit you
It's all about Risk:Reward. Morals are the most retarded idea ever. - scabbers, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2I'm guessing these were actual pirates selling burnt copies.
- Andrwmorph, on 10/02/2008, -0/+2Its all about the plunder and booty
- Ymeg, on 10/02/2008, -1/+3so its ok for coprorations to STEAL millions!
no, its not. - ObeseEurotrash, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1ok, so if i dont take the case its ok? ill just copy down the cd key and dl it online.
- ccanni1028, on 10/02/2008, -1/+2They always blocked duplicate keys from logging in to Battlenet at the same time. Even when SC (not BW) came out they did this.
- Extracheese, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1The problem with boycotting content providers is that, content is original so there aren't any substitutes for it. If you have something people want, you can make the customer go to great lengths to aquire your product as long as the there is no serious substitute.
- inactive, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1"So if I just randomly killed you, it would not be wrong?"
It would be wrong for me, because dying sucks, but it could be right for you, if you felt it was necessary enough to risk prison for.
What I'm trying to say is that right/wrong are on an individual basis, and something that is "wrong" for me might not be "wrong" for somebody else. - Asianwaste, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1This is no secret. This has even been submitted weeks ago... on several different websites including Digg.
- t4m5t3r, on 10/03/2008, -0/+1im gonna have to assume i got voted down by the console owners, lets face it you guys havent got to play a "good" game yet! but dont worry you'll get the chance eventualy!
- aimnano, on 10/04/2008, -0/+1To clarify:
pirate: One who commits robbery at sea, or sometimes on the shore, without a commission from a sovereign nation (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy).
not the same as
pirate: Someone who commits piracy, i.e. file sharing. In modern day terms, it can relate to the copying of intellectual property, or copyright infringement, such as downloading music off of the internet.
Nice article though. - CarnivalOfDust, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1Doesn't that mean that when the owner of that copy tries to log on, they can't?
- AzureRise, on 10/02/2008, -2/+3***** Activision. People are saying they were copying and selling the games, but Activision are being way too secretive. Something's up.
- busterti, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1that was not what it is about at all. If you read the article it basically said all the people didn't pay the same amount for pirating the same game. Why does one person pay $1,000 and others pay $100,000? Its not solely about piracy. If you are rich and pirate you should be liable for more damages than if you are poor? Doesn't sound right to me.
B - TommyHigh, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1C'mon, don't drivel.. It obviously cost them more if you steal it from the shop... they have to print a case and disc, then ship it....
Torrents... they don't have to do anything. - NCg8r, on 10/02/2008, -0/+1"murder is quite OK as long as it benefits you and you don't get caught. "
Who's being naive now, Kay??? - raada, on 10/02/2008, -1/+2I don't know who is worst anymore. The copyright holder's crazy methods or the "illegal" copying of some crap game they can't sell...
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