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- mavranos, on 10/12/2007, -29/+206Man I hate sony. I hope five million do buy it only to find it has some horrible flaw resulting in a total recall.
BlueRay. pfffft. - BloodJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -23/+1875 million people would not buy a product called "PlayStation 3" if it did not have games, says logic.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -45/+201"5 million people would not buy a product called "PlayStation 3" if it did not have games, says logic."
They would. You are underestimating the stupidity of the american consumer. - Batiu-Drami, on 10/12/2007, -9/+93And Bush clearly doesn't have any games...
- chrisc2, on 10/12/2007, -25/+102Well, 62 million people DID vote for Bush. *
* I'm actually a Repubican, but I couldn't pass this one up. - guitarpro411, on 10/12/2007, -22/+89***To all the posters complaining about "fan-boys" and to much video game content on digg****
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and nobody enjoys being insulted so please stop cluttering up our discussions with more useless comments that get downed. - itsmekirby, on 10/12/2007, -19/+83Many people are describing the 5 million people as "fanboys" or "idiots".
To be honest, I would consider buying a PS3 without games. If (If) the system gets cracked like the xbox did, it would be possible to install anything you want. I would consider buying one just to replace my PC. It's a cheap powerful system sold at a loss. Terrible for Sony. Win for me.
There may be some truth to their statement guys. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+74Seriously though, that arrogant ***** is right. If sony released the PS3 today, even without any games, people would be lining up to grab one. Its sad, but Its the truth
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -11/+65I think you're wrong. The VAST majority of Playstation users aren't on this site, aren't on IGN, aren't following what's going on at E3. They aren't participating in these fanboy "PS3 versus WII" flame wars. They don't care about specs, or who stole what from who.
Mom will pick them up a PS3 at Christmas, and the PS brand will remain the largest install base. It's that simple.
If the PS3 plays 7, they'll buy it. - TheCount, on 10/12/2007, -17/+69He's got a point, I'm sure the kids in Japan are going to lap it up, regardless.
- innerspirit, on 10/12/2007, -14/+63"[Sony] have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000"
funny how they managed to completely cripple that brand equity in the last few months and didnt even realize it - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -20/+63Those five million people will be in Japan. U.S. customers are sick of Sony's pompous attitude in ALL of their businesses: electronics, music, etc. I am buying a Wii. Sony needs some public relations help BIG TIME. They are cutting off their own heads every day with their comments. It's enough to make me want to smash my PS2 (don't worry, lamers. I will recycle).
- skyhighrockets, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36He's got War Games, do those count?
- DEIx15x8, on 10/12/2007, -6/+36If the PS3 doesn't have any games it just means that they sold 5 million consoles at a loss with no way to make a revenue. Come to think of it maybe this whole boycott idea isn't to smart, we should all buy up every PS3 and then never buy any games or accessories. Sony would lose roughly $400 on each and never make it back.
- SkeletaLlama, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31"Our fans are so stupid they'll buy a console with no games even if we charge $2000 for it, LOL!!!!" -Sony
"Oh man, I'm gonna buy that new console for $2000 even if it has no games!" -Sony fan
Who's the stupider of these two people? The one who publicly states his company has fans so loyal they'll buy anything no matter what it is or what the price is, or the fan who actually makes what he says true?
"Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" -Obi Wan Kenobi - guitarpro411, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21The people who buy the PS3 are going to be the same type of consumers who spent over 1000 dollars for an xbox360.
Chewie67 is right though.
I work in retail and a vast majority of people whome I sell electronics to know very little about the product besides what I tell them. I often hear "I heard this is a good ____". I imagine thats exactly how the PS3 is going to go down. "I heard the ps3 is really good" *puts 600 dollars on counter* - davidjunit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+225 Million People Have More Money Than Brains
On the next Jerry Springer - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Seriously what do you expect from Sony, they ARE arrogant and cocky ... they released rootkit cds, they have a long outstanding history on screwing the consumer yet people still buy thier products. The only problem one can have with this article is that this jackass is right ... 5 million people probably would buy it because it's Sony and it's hyped the right way. The consumer is stupid and Sony knows how to take advantage of stupidity. That is why they are still in business. time to face some facts people. +digg
- daofma, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23"Sony would lose roughly $400 on each and never make it back."
Or, if you don't buy it at all, they lose /all/ the money they spent on making it. So if you want to make them lose money, boycotting is the way to go. - EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16You left a couple zeros off of that. Sony will be losing $200-300 per console, which would make it $1-1.5 billion.
- etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25I agree that this is an arrogant thing for a CEO to say, but declaring that it "seems arrogant" in your story summary is just bad editorializing. Leave the commentary in the comments, and try to remain objective in your summary please.
...PLEASE. - hotsoda, on 10/12/2007, -26/+38More people should boycott Sony (at least the SCEA division) just to shut these ignorant *****' mouths.
Ridiculous. - Dynazhen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I loved the N64 when I was younger..
- Frank_the_Tank, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Despite Reeves's belief, Sony's "milkshake does not bring all the boys to the yard...", so to speak.
- Khus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Sony has two serious problems if this is their rationale for how the PS3 will sell millions of units quickly. First, and obviously, a lot of hardcore gamers who will use it as a game machine first and Blu-Ray second, won't be willing to shell out the clams. Yeah, there are die-hard fans, but most of us have a budget that a casual $500 or $600 just doesn't fit into.
The bigger problem is they seem to be pushing the Blu-Ray angle hard as damage control to the exorbitant price. The problem is that neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD are going to dominate the home movie market anytime soon, and it's really possible that neither will. Ever.
DVD is a great format, and it didn't kill VHS in a matter of months; it took *years*. How many consumers see an advantage to a disc format that is:
* twice as expensive for the movie
* offers no significant additional content that a DVD can't offer
* requires a new device to play it that will cost at least $500 or more
* boasts a resolution/picture that their TV can't display anyway
* techies know may well include abhorrently crippling DRM
I saw my first HD-DVD player and movies last night at an electronics retailer. The huge box looked ugly, crudely designed, and was as large as two VCRs. And it cost $700. I'm a huge Firefly/Serenity fan and they had a copy of it in HD, but to me it was nothing more than the same thing I already own except in a maroon translucent case with silvery labeling. The casual consumer is going to drop $28 on an HD or B-R version of something they can get for half that?
Sony's gaming lineup so far does not have a "wow" factor, and the controller is a significant step backwards without rumble function. The gaming community at E3 reacted to Sony somewhere along the lines of indifferent to hostile in the reviews. Neither the tech base nor the mass consumer base are needing or wanting a new, much more expensive home entertainment format.
And yet, Sony is pushing both angles with comments that ring more hollow the more I read. The company has deep enough pockets to stay in a war of attrition for this round of console wars, but it sure looks like the whole PS3 philosophy is headed in the wrong direction. - Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13say something negative about the Gamecube and you'll see 5 million fanboys defending it
I enjoy my GC...but I can agree that it's possibly the worst system (overall) that Nintendo has ever released - Teague, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Awesome. Of course, Mr. Sony, if you sold five million without selling a single game, you'd only be under about $15,000,000.
- itsmekirby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"Sony could sell the PS3 to 5 million and sell not a single game and still make a proffit. "
Sony and Microsoft (not Nintendo) sell their consoles at losses to induce market penetration. Their business model relies on their console not getting cracked and turned into a PC. - Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Haha, I love Sony... They always make me laugh!
Now to be serious, the BluRay is just going to be another UMD, I doubt that a majority of average Americans will understand what the hell BluRay is, if anyone wins it will be HD-DVD but I think it is a huge possibility that both flop. Lets look at it this way, Joe Shmo is watching TV he sees a commercial for some new movie out on DVD, at the end they say: "now available on DVD and BluRay"; he is going to think the same thing he thinks when he sees a commercial saying its available on UMD (or sometimes they say PSP), "Well, that's not me." Now he sees another movie commercial, "Now available on DVD and HD-DVD." He most likely will think the same thing but at least he understands what it is, it's exactly what it sounds like a High Def DVD. So in the next few years when he decides to upgrade his TV and DVD player he can ask the store clerk to get him a DVD player that supports HD to match his new TV. - merdiesel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Man, Sony Where do you get your weed?...
- beforeIforget, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16I would venture to take your statement even further. Most casual gamers probably are barely aware of the XBOX360 and have heard grumblings of the PS3 -- probably guessing of its existence because they have a PS2. Far in the back of the casual gamers mindshare is the Wii. Since Nintendo's aim is the casual, non-gamer market... I'm going to be very interested to see how they pull off this marketing effort. They do have a gimmick with the nostalgia aspect as well as the funky controller. Personally, I don't think its enough to compete in this generation, but we'll see how it turns out. My guess is that they'll start with a bang and fizzle out pretty quick once the real next gen games come out for the PS3 and x360.
- Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15if i can install debian or ubuntu (even mepis) under it, ill almost certanly buy one
if it has a custom distro, that dont suck theres a chance ill buy one
if their idea of "linux" is a crappy menu infront of the kernel that dont do anything, i aint getting one
a new item earlier said itll have a compiler and all... but ill only believe for sure when its out - orephelious, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I think maybe what Reeves was trying to say was that without games, the PS3 will have a Blu-ray drive to fall back on. Hoping to bank on the fact that Blu-ray will have been out for about 5 months before the launch of PS3, it's historically about the time that mainstream consumers start to consider purchasing new technology. If you were interested in buying a Blu-ray player, $600 is much better than $1000 (for a dedicated player and one with less functionality at that).
- buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I am going to buy one. But I am buying it for the processor alone. Similar workstations using the same processor are going to be 10 times more expensive.
Going to use it to render 1920x1080 video frames under Linux using it's 7 high speed processors. Hook the box to my 1080p60 HD monitor. Will also use it to trans-code the frames into various video formats and resolutions. This thing is going to be able to blast through photo realistic frames at uber fast frame rates.
I really haven't played many games in the past 5 years. Sad, I know. I guess I am finally growing up. *L* - StuartGibson, on 06/14/2009, -0/+5Except Nintendo, who work on the bizarre practice that you sell your product for a profit.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9He's probably right, there's a core fanbase that would buy it no matter what. I don't doubt that the 6 million Sony have said they'll start with will sell quickly.
But they aren't the important ones - the important sales are those that continue on until the end of the generation in 5/6/7 years time. Sony will still be making a loss on the 5 millionth unit, they'll need a lot more than that to make the PS3 successful for them. - lokoluis15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yes because the PSP didn't have a Home button before the 360 did...
- manatee2005, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Are they trying to get more people to hate them? Remember the comment somebody from Sony made recently"Next generation doesn't start until we say it does" Pleeeease.
- chadu, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7The Edsel was also the finest automobile to ever be made and the Titanic was unsinkable.
Way too much ego going on over there at Sony. - bonlebon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Wii digg on home page answering to this one in 3.. 2.. 1...
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Actually, on average, the Japanese like Nintendo better, especially because of the DS.
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"resulting in a total recall."
As long as their are chicks with 3 boobs, we'll be all set. - fluoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Mom will pick them up a PS3 at Christmas, and the PS brand will remain the largest install base. It's that simple."
I was with Chewie until that statement. I am not a fanboy for either Sony or MS (my last console was the original NES), but I really think with the information we currently have that Sony is basically screwed.
Yeah, there are a lot of people who will buy a PS3 in the beginning but I doubt they will have the largest install base. It seems to me that Microsoft is really pushing hard for the online experience, and is thus trying to introduce something somewhat new to the console. Obviously Nintendo is also introducing innovative things to their console. But Sony is basically doing the same thing they did before: they're just making another Playstation. The PS2 was the PS, only with better graphics. The PS3 looks like the same thing, just with.. guess what? Better graphics. I think in the long run, that may not stack up against Microsoft's online experience.
But whatever, ***** 'em. I'm a PC user and we've already got networking and good graphics and we're constantly upgradeable. Sure there are problems associated with that openness, but nothing is perfect. - guitarpro411, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*drives away in yugo*
- WDot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If I had the money, I'd be one of those Five million. I'm in the market for a very, very cheap 3d renderer that runs Linux. ;)
- h0m3styl3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think the only problem with you're entire statement is that you're forgetting about the cost. Though as previously stated in another digg post, this isn't the most expensive console of all time, but it's almost there. I think more people need to take into account that the parents who buy most of these systems for their children won't see proper justification in purchasing a $600+ toy. Unless of course your parents are tech savvy with an HD tv and want bd playback. I know if I was asking my mum to buy me a console there'd be no way I could ask her to pay $600+ dollars on a system I mainly use especially if there were only 0-10 games for her to buy for me on it. When I got a console, pretty much the entire remainder of my christmas/birthday presents revolved around it. I just think that there will be too much draw for most parents to buy a wii instead. "I can pay $200, buy my child 3 games and a subscription to the online service which will all cost me about $100 less than the base PS3 system with no games or extra hardware." I just think most parents are too thrifty for the ps3. You can get a lot of stuff for $500 (base ps3 system). Maybe I'm just thinking too much from lower-middle class america, but I've had relatives and the sort get an Ipod for christmas, and that was it basically. And an Ipod is what, $299? I donno, most can just dismiss this comment I guess but my mum was second guessing getting me a ipod mini. I can't imagine asking for two ipods. Or one ps3.
- galfridus73, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Chewie67: I think this may be one time where the us/them thing won't work.
Now, I will admit: Neither my co-worker nor my wife's best friend (both of whom bought a PS2 at launch) knew any details on the PS3. However, when I told them the price points and the difference between packages, my co-worker pretty much decided that he was going to get a 360. The best friend said "That's almost a rent payment!" and then began to swear.
Both of them said that they have enough games to play on the PS2s for now. I can't see either of them getting a PS3 in the first five million units, so there are some early adopters that Sony has lost... - negativenancy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's going to be a fun day when I go on Ebay and see it flooded with PS3's by idiots who dont understand the basic principles of supply and demand.
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