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- seraph582, on 08/11/2008, -8/+73Better article titles:
"25 reasons I'm inept"
"25 minor hurdles I couldn't overcome"
"25 bits of evidence demonstrating how nerds and their hobbies intimidate me"
add more below - roxya, on 08/11/2008, -1/+55This list really confuses me. Nearly all of them have absolutely nothing to do with gamers vs. non-gamers. Non-gamers are annoyed that gamers think FF7 is the best FF? Or that gamers love RE2? Non-gamers are annoyed that I installed CFW on my PSP? I really don't understand what's going on in this article :(
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -3/+57ever watch a tv show, go to the movies, or buy music?
well, stfu then - aDFP, on 08/11/2008, -5/+47Oh, and skewl... unless your top three hobbies are finding a cancer cure, giving blood and working to end the US dependance on oil, please cease your pointless & resource-wasting posting.
- Games4Life, on 08/11/2008, -2/+36Buried because this article is stupid as *****.
- TheWilder, on 08/11/2008, -2/+36While some of these points may be valid, it seemed to just reinforce the stereotype of 'gamers' and 'non-gamers' rather than providing a more realistic vision of the two. And a commenter on the article made a good point that this is more like "25 Reasons Hardcore Gamers Annoy Casual Gamers". I would consider myself a gamer, hardcore or otherwise, and there are some good points here. But some of these reasons are really lame. The entire article is invalidated because he's obviously a gamer and is not speaking from a non-gamer's perspective. This is just a glorified rant about his hatred of hardcore gamer fanboys.
I could analyze why I agree or disagree with any particular reason, but he just pulled out the more obvious casual gamer points and stretched on a lot of others. - soundsofreason, on 08/11/2008, -0/+31And you're posting on this article because... ?
- soundsofreason, on 08/11/2008, -1/+30-"25 reasons why I'm a bitter and insufferable douche"
-"My friends hate me" - inactive, on 08/12/2008, -0/+29I'm confused...
Why would a non gamer:
Know which FF is the best?
Think resident evil 2 specifically sucks
Like wii spots
own a psp?
play guitar hero
ETC......
Doesn't sound like a non gamer to me. Just sounds like a ***** one. - Smwbigboss, on 08/11/2008, -1/+25I just hate the term "gamer". I spent two hours this morning playing Team Fortress 2, and three hours last night playing Brawl, so I know I play video games more than most people, but its like like I go running around like some elitist prick labeling myself as a gamer. The same goes for those in the media that tries to paint it in a bad light, like there is a whole subculture of basement-dwelling nerds playing "murder simulators" to train for a... idk, a mass killing spree or some other *****.
And I also hate how people try to split people up into groups of "casual gamer" and "hardcore gamer" like you have to pick one or the other. Like somehow playing Animal Crossing is going to stop me from liking Call of Duty. Also, there's nothing hardcore about sitting on your ass all day playing video games. - versualize, on 08/11/2008, -1/+25Doing all those nice, charitable things doesn't hide the fact that you're a dick.
- sanwedgy, on 08/11/2008, -2/+25This is just i list of 25 things some guy wants to rant about. It has nothing to do with why none games hate gamers.
oh and Resident Evil 2 is the best in the series :P - 0ldmankdude, on 08/12/2008, -0/+21google cache: http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:xGTsyNkqhnQJ: ...
- yargthepirate, on 08/11/2008, -2/+21"25 reasons why I cry alone at night"
- Alucard010, on 08/12/2008, -3/+21WARNING! THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS LAME:
Sure, a lot of the mistrust between gamers and non-gamers comes from simple miscommunication, but that doesn’t mean some points aren’t valid. Below are 25 popular (and not so popular) reasons why gamers annoy those who don’t play games.
1. Halo is not a sport.
That’s great that you’re really into playing online games, but they’re not a sport. Not anymore than playing Boggle competitively is. Doing something where you get physical exercise rather an avatar is the first step to playing a sport.
2. The controllers are indeed too complicated.
Nintendo isn’t crazy. The controllers for the PS3 and Xbox 360 are unwieldy, especially for someone who last played a video game in the Pac-Man or Super Mario Bros. era. Manipulating it is a skill lacked by many, so why be annoyed at them?
3. No, I have no clue what happened in Mega Man 4.
Neither do I have any clue what happened 20 years ago on Doctor Who. I just like the little blue guy jumping around and shooting. It’s fun. I don’t really care how the string-thin storyline ties into Mega Man X2.
4. I don’t need 502 ways to decapitate my opponent.
Seriously, after the first 223 I just got bored. After the first 307 I started to forget the first 100. At that point, I’m not sure if I started over reusing the same ones from earlier or not.
5. No, I do not need to read a FAQ to find all 502 ways.
Look, it’s great that such things exist for those who want them. Personally, however, I don’t much enjoy films or books where I need a running commentary just to figure out what’s going on. Why would I enjoy it in a game?
6. Zelda games do not need to be hard edged.
Seriously, I find the art style of The Wind Waker to be charming. I don’t need Gannon chopping off the ears of villagers to make me enjoy the game. It’s fun because it is, not because it will give me nightmares.
7. Resident Evil 2 is not the best in the series.
I couldn’t play it. The controls were awkward and confusing and the save system a mess. Resident Evil 4 was easily the best because it was the most playable except for the very hardcore. Yes, perhaps Resident Evil 2 was the Tolstoy of Resident Evil games and I simply needed to slog my way through it, but I didn’t and I won’t.
8. Final Fantasy VII is the best Final Fantasy.
It was like playing a movie, and it was easy enough I didn’t quit halfway through it. Again, the hardcore may enjoy 100 hours of leveling up, but that gets boring for me. I have other things I want to do with those 100 hours. Plus, I thought Cait Sith was cute.
9. I find Wii Sports to be incredibly fun.
Yes, you’re quite clever in that you can just twist your hand and bowl well. I, on the other hand, actually enjoy acting out the full motion. It’s fun, and it doesn’t take 20 hours simply to master the controls. Yes, I will be purchasing Wii Sports Resort. Maybe two copies–just for kicks.
10. I own a PSP and have not installed custom firmware.
The thing already plays games, movies, music, and surfs the Internet. What else do I need it to do? Play old NES games? Why? If I wanted that I’d buy a GameBoy Color.
11. I really like Guitar Hero.
I get it, okay? There was some game in Japan that was like Guitar Hero, but better in your opinion. You paid a few hundred to import it ten years ago and have an all-knowing smirk towards those of us just discovering the fun of fake guitar games. Great for you.
12. I don’t really like drawing maps to play video games.
The idea of a video game where I need to get out graph paper to keep up with it just sounds like an utter bore. If I had wanted to be a cartographer I would have went to cartographer school–not played a game about it.
13. Madden Football is good enough.
Sure, the game can be exploited against the computer. Guess what? I like that part of it! I want to rush for 250 yards in a game! I want to set the single season record for touchdowns thrown! If I wanted realistic statistics I would go play football for real, and then likely be laid up bed for three months after playing more Madden.
14. Portal was a fun game and not a religion.
Yes, the puzzles were clever and the ending was out of left field. I thoroughly enjoyed the titled. What I don’t need is to worship at the altar of the game. I don’t need a tattoo of the Weighted Companion Cube. I can be a fan with none of the above.
15. I need help playing games sometimes.
There–I said it. I’m not going pro anytime soon and I still need someone to help me along from time to time. On second thought, I might use one of those FAQs just so I don’t waste ten hours trying to find the blue key.
16. You are not persecuted.
Until someone starts telling gamers where they can eat and whom they can date, they have not been persecuted. People calling video games “kids’ stuff” is not persecution. Stop playing Call of Duty and go read a history book.
17. Sorry, but dressing up as Cloud makes you a nerd.
Embrace your inner nerd all you like, but don’t complain when people call you a nerd for doing so. Yes, people who wear football jerseys of their favorite player look like kids, too. Great, you have some company in Nerdsville.
18. $600 is a lot to play video games.
Sure, it can play Blu-Rays, but I’m not a movie nerd, either. $600 is an awful lot to blow on something to play video games, and spending $2,000 on eBay for the same $600 system is even weirder. There’s a good reason the Wii is the best selling system.
19. I will ask if you have Pac-Man or Donkey Kong.
I like those games. They’re fun. They were fun twenty years ago, and they still are today. I’m sure Halo is fun too, but I also like watching reruns of Cheers.
20. I don’t want to join a clan.
Look, the only clans I know of are in Braveheart and Mississippi Burning. I don’t want to join either. I think it’s great you have a little club of online friends to play games with, but I mostly quit joining clubs when I graduated high school. No offense.
21. I like licensed games.
I know this bothers you, but I enjoy playing the games based off Disney’s Cars with my kids. They like the characters and the games are simple and straight forward fun. I’m sure Attack Rocket Auto Death VII is a blast to play, but not for my kids. I will also likely pick them up a Spongebob Squarepants game at some point, and maybe even Hannah Montana.
22. Game stories bore me.
I’m on a strange alien world stranded alone with only an artificial intelligence program to keep me company? Yes, that’s riveting. Wait, there’s a second, even more dangerous alien race out there? Big shocking twist there!
23. I will not read a book or watch a film based on a video game.
Look, if they can’t the story right in the game, why would I assume it’d be better in a film or book? There’s already plenty of good films and books to spend my time with. Tell me when Christopher Nolan makes a video game film and maybe we’ll talk then.
24. I have no idea what a PokeMAN is.
Nor do I know what a PokeMON, or Zelda, or Flood is. I also don’t know who Akira Kurosawa or Michael Chabon are. I do know who Gustav Holst is, however. It’s all about tradeoffs.
25. I enjoy Bejeweled.
Say what you will, but casual games on my computer occupy a lot of my “gaming” time. I enjoy them. They’re light, fun, and don’t require hours upon hours of times invested in them. I do occasionally fire up The Sims or Sim City, and I don’t feel bad about it either. - biergutlol, on 08/12/2008, -0/+17a poor soul who can't enjoy good art and entertainment
- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -2/+19when he mentioned the $600 system i thought this article was old but it was posted on Aug 10 so that makes it up to date.This guy probably doesn't know that the PS3 dropped down in price ever since.
- dougbot, 10 hr 55 min ago, -1/+1725 things i put into a list because i knew if it weren't in list-form people wouldn't have read my ***** writing.
- crash331, on 08/11/2008, -1/+15I don't get this article
- soundsofreason, on 08/11/2008, -1/+15-He's not a movie nerd (yet he drops Christopher Nolan's name)
-He doesn't like game stories
The majority of the population loves movies and good stories... and gaming is one of the only industries that have remained remarkably unscathed during America's horrid economic status.
Sounds like he's old school (which is fine) and didn't quite make the jump to the new generation. Upon reading his article, he just comes across as bitter and ignorant to a lot of cool things that have been happening in the industry.
The line between game stories and movie stories is blurring more with each passing year (since the early-mid 90's).
Don't want to be annoyed by hearing cool things happening in the hardcore gaming industry? Then maybe you should try not surrounding yourself with hardcore gamers that annoy you or grab a nice tall glass of shut the hell up. - Arramol, on 08/12/2008, -0/+13Especially considering that video games are an astronomically better value than movies. A DVD costs $10-$20 and usually lasts around two hours, plus whatever extra features are thrown in. A game costs $30-$60 and can provide tens of hours of material before you run out of new things to do.
- soundsofreason, on 08/11/2008, -1/+14Could you please take your halo down before posting? Thanks.
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -0/+12Ignore the troll.
- dty2010, on 08/12/2008, -0/+11I always thought a "non-gamer" was somebody who didn't play video games. Apparently I was wrong.
- doctechnical, on 08/11/2008, -1/+11That's because the Dali Lama could tell you were a douche. When I met him, he told me on my death bed I would achieve total consciousness. So I've got that going for me.
- Briii, on 08/12/2008, -1/+11he did not just diss final fantasy VII, zelda, and portal
- Smalldude76, on 08/12/2008, -0/+9Or his hands on ctrl c and ctrl v
- Typhoon2009, on 08/12/2008, -2/+10Yeah but this is one of those cases where you should do your ***** research before publishing something. *****, that's taught to you in grade school.
- Kefote, on 08/11/2008, -1/+9So is he supposed to be a non-gamer? It seems like he just wants to bitch.
Buried for being lame. - caddyalan, on 08/11/2008, -0/+7I've always sensed that long-term dedicated fans of anything -- video games or otherwise -- tend to look down on new, inexperienced fans. The older fans tend to have thoughts such as "New fans get all the rewards with very little effort. They haven't suffered like we have. And how do we know whether new fans will remain in the fandom?" I think these statements have a little truth -- but I won't claim they're totally true.
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -1/+8This list sucks.
- Wendigo6x3, on 08/12/2008, -0/+7Sure, a lot of the mistrust between gamers and non-gamers comes from simple miscommunication, but that doesn’t mean some points aren’t valid. Below are 25 popular (and not so popular) reasons why gamers annoy those who don’t play games.
1. Halo is not a sport.
That’s great that you’re really into playing online games, but they’re not a sport. Not anymore than playing Boggle competitively is. Doing something where you get physical exercise rather an avatar is the first step to playing a sport.
2. The controllers are indeed too complicated.
Nintendo isn’t crazy. The controllers for the PS3 and Xbox 360 are unwieldy, especially for someone who last played a video game in the Pac-Man or Super Mario Bros. era. Manipulating it is a skill lacked by many, so why be annoyed at them?
3. No, I have no clue what happened in Mega Man 4.
Neither do I have any clue what happened 20 years ago on Doctor Who. I just like the little blue guy jumping around and shooting. It’s fun. I don’t really care how the string-thin storyline ties into Mega Man X2.
4. I don’t need 502 ways to decapitate my opponent.
Seriously, after the first 223 I just got bored. After the first 307 I started to forget the first 100. At that point, I’m not sure if I started over reusing the same ones from earlier or not.
5. No, I do not need to read a FAQ to find all 502 ways.
Look, it’s great that such things exist for those who want them. Personally, however, I don’t much enjoy films or books where I need a running commentary just to figure out what’s going on. Why would I enjoy it in a game?
6. Zelda games do not need to be hard edged.
Seriously, I find the art style of The Wind Waker to be charming. I don’t need Gannon chopping off the ears of villagers to make me enjoy the game. It’s fun because it is, not because it will give me nightmares.
7. Resident Evil 2 is not the best in the series.
I couldn’t play it. The controls were awkward and confusing and the save system a mess. Resident Evil 4 was easily the best because it was the most playable except for the very hardcore. Yes, perhaps Resident Evil 2 was the Tolstoy of Resident Evil games and I simply needed to slog my way through it, but I didn’t and I won’t.
8. Final Fantasy VII is the best Final Fantasy.
It was like playing a movie, and it was easy enough I didn’t quit halfway through it. Again, the hardcore may enjoy 100 hours of leveling up, but that gets boring for me. I have other things I want to do with those 100 hours. Plus, I thought Cait Sith was cute.
9. I find Wii Sports to be incredibly fun.
Yes, you’re quite clever in that you can just twist your hand and bowl well. I, on the other hand, actually enjoy acting out the full motion. It’s fun, and it doesn’t take 20 hours simply to master the controls. Yes, I will be purchasing Wii Sports Resort. Maybe two copies–just for kicks.
10. I own a PSP and have not installed custom firmware.
The thing already plays games, movies, music, and surfs the Internet. What else do I need it to do? Play old NES games? Why? If I wanted that I’d buy a GameBoy Color.
11. I really like Guitar Hero.
I get it, okay? There was some game in Japan that was like Guitar Hero, but better in your opinion. You paid a few hundred to import it ten years ago and have an all-knowing smirk towards those of us just discovering the fun of fake guitar games. Great for you.
12. I don’t really like drawing maps to play video games.
The idea of a video game where I need to get out graph paper to keep up with it just sounds like an utter bore. If I had wanted to be a cartographer I would have went to cartographer school–not played a game about it.
13. Madden Football is good enough.
Sure, the game can be exploited against the computer. Guess what? I like that part of it! I want to rush for 250 yards in a game! I want to set the single season record for touchdowns thrown! If I wanted realistic statistics I would go play football for real, and then likely be laid up bed for three months after playing more Madden.
14. Portal was a fun game and not a religion.
Yes, the puzzles were clever and the ending was out of left field. I thoroughly enjoyed the titled. What I don’t need is to worship at the altar of the game. I don’t need a tattoo of the Weighted Companion Cube. I can be a fan with none of the above.
15. I need help playing games sometimes.
There–I said it. I’m not going pro anytime soon and I still need someone to help me along from time to time. On second thought, I might use one of those FAQs just so I don’t waste ten hours trying to find the blue key.
16. You are not persecuted.
Until someone starts telling gamers where they can eat and whom they can date, they have not been persecuted. People calling video games “kids’ stuff” is not persecution. Stop playing Call of Duty and go read a history book.
17. Sorry, but dressing up as Cloud makes you a nerd.
Embrace your inner nerd all you like, but don’t complain when people call you a nerd for doing so. Yes, people who wear football jerseys of their favorite player look like kids, too. Great, you have some company in Nerdsville.
18. $600 is a lot to play video games.
Sure, it can play Blu-Rays, but I’m not a movie nerd, either. $600 is an awful lot to blow on something to play video games, and spending $2,000 on eBay for the same $600 system is even weirder. There’s a good reason the Wii is the best selling system.
19. I will ask if you have Pac-Man or Donkey Kong.
I like those games. They’re fun. They were fun twenty years ago, and they still are today. I’m sure Halo is fun too, but I also like watching reruns of Cheers.
20. I don’t want to join a clan.
Look, the only clans I know of are in Braveheart and Mississippi Burning. I don’t want to join either. I think it’s great you have a little club of online friends to play games with, but I mostly quit joining clubs when I graduated high school. No offense.
21. I like licensed games.
I know this bothers you, but I enjoy playing the games based off Disney’s Cars with my kids. They like the characters and the games are simple and straight forward fun. I’m sure Attack Rocket Auto Death VII is a blast to play, but not for my kids. I will also likely pick them up a Spongebob Squarepants game at some point, and maybe even Hannah Montana.
22. Game stories bore me.
I’m on a strange alien world stranded alone with only an artificial intelligence program to keep me company? Yes, that’s riveting. Wait, there’s a second, even more dangerous alien race out there? Big shocking twist there!
23. I will not read a book or watch a film based on a video game.
Look, if they can’t the story right in the game, why would I assume it’d be better in a film or book? There’s already plenty of good films and books to spend my time with. Tell me when Christopher Nolan makes a video game film and maybe we’ll talk then.
24. I have no idea what a PokeMAN is.
Nor do I know what a PokeMON, or Zelda, or Flood is. I also don’t know who Akira Kurosawa or Michael Chabon are. I do know who Gustav Holst is, however. It’s all about tradeoffs.
25. I enjoy Bejeweled.
Say what you will, but casual games on my computer occupy a lot of my “gaming” time. I enjoy them. They’re light, fun, and don’t require hours upon hours of times invested in them. I do occasionally fire up The Sims or Sim City, and I don’t feel bad about it either. - NathanielJ, on 08/12/2008, -0/+7It's "quod erat demonstrandum", just for the record. There are 3 typos in your spelling of the last word. Also, it doesn't fit in this context as it means "that which was to be shown", and it is no way reinforces his point. It just shows that he's complaining about something he knows nothing about.
I guess if that was his point, then this indeed helps show it. - evozero, on 08/11/2008, -0/+7The only good point he had is #14, otherwise he just sounds like he has an axe to grind. I'm guessing it's a response to this list: http://www.gamesradar.com/f/25-annoying-things-abo ...
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -1/+7YOU DO WHAT TO A CAT!?!?!
- ed19, on 08/12/2008, -0/+6since when was walking classified as finding a cure for cancer?
- Bith8654, on 08/12/2008, -0/+5Yeah plus reason 21 proved that person is pretty much the embodiment of evil.
- drmangrum, on 08/12/2008, -2/+7Gamers annoy everyone, including other gamers. They all have an undeserved sense of superiority that means absolutely dick in the real world.
- soundsofreason, on 08/11/2008, -2/+7"Stay tuned for 25 reasons why PC gamers are arrogant pricks, next on Fun With Stereotypes."
- Rivfader, on 08/12/2008, -0/+5I as a gamer agree with alot of these points. Elitist turd monkeys ruin the fun for everybody.
- M724, on 08/11/2008, -3/+8Each believes that the other side think they are superior. This can cause a lot of conflict. Unless, of course, you manage to use common sense.
- randyzaia, on 08/12/2008, -1/+6http://g.photos.cx/jorge-04.jpg
- inactive, on 08/12/2008, -1/+5This is the reverse of a recently dugg article.
Off topic, I've noticed that you typically only get dugg for a few days. Articles are posted so frequently here on Digg that you don't have time to visit old ones, and that seems like a problem that something like a faceted search could remedy. - inactive, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4i feel like all the commenters from youtube are coming to digg.
- NathanielJ, on 08/12/2008, -2/+6Half of his points are contradictory. Point number 3 complains about how gamers like old games like MegaMan 4 but he couldn't care about them any more than a "20 year old episode of Doctor Who", but then point 19 talks about how Donkey Kong and Pac-Man rule and he doesn't care about new stuff like Halo (using as his example this time the TV show "Cheers"). Similarly, point 15 completely undoes his point 5.
The author is a tool who doesn't even know what he's complaining about. - pescado555, on 08/12/2008, -1/+4He critiques a zelda game in #6 and in #24 he doesn't know what zelda is. Am i missing some humor in #24?
- Cloud7654, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3Could have seen that coming.
- Briii, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:xGTsyNkqhnQJ: ...
- str1fe, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3He asses them!
...? - ProfessorFoo, on 08/12/2008, -0/+3Exactly
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