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- BlindingDawn, on 12/22/2008, -6/+45Let me know how it works out for you. I predict failure.
- FirstDigg, on 12/22/2008, -1/+27I guess we really won't know until CES when they release the details to everyone, but unless its really great, they are going to have a tough time competing with Android and the iPhone. I used to love my palm os based treo though, so I'm still personally willing to give them a chance. Can't wait until Jan 9th for the details.
- hijohnmark, on 12/22/2008, -1/+24FINALLY. Although it's probably too late for them.
- iatethecake, on 12/22/2008, -7/+23Palm? What's that?
/s - 2res, on 12/22/2008, -2/+17Lets hope it lets you run your own linux apps, unlike android
- AndrewMoyer, on 12/22/2008, -5/+19Did somebody say Palm...?
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..................................., - Elranzer, on 12/22/2008, -0/+12Are you predicting this as a disgruntled PalmOS customer who hasn't seen any innovation from the company since 2003, or as an iPhone fanboy who thinks anything not iPhone is a failure?
- emocean, on 12/22/2008, -0/+10They split the company into 2 (hardware & os). Hardware tried to buy the software again but Access in China outbid.
:: - prnorm, on 12/22/2008, -0/+9seriously? I have owned multiple palm devices over a seven year period. They were all loaded with apps and tweaks and I very rarely had to reset the device.
Palm OS is old and stale for sure, but not unstable in my experience. - platykurtic, on 12/22/2008, -1/+6If it's good, with a nice intuitive easy to develop for interface and good hardware I could see myself buying it. I don't think iPhone and Android have the market cornered just yet; the iPhone is still tied tightly to the mac ecosystem, and the first android phone was pretty underwhelming. If it's something along the lines of the Blackberry storm, though, where it's just an interface with no platform to speak of and not even a particularly good interface, they're pretty screwed. Their brand name is more of a burden than a help to the people in the smartphone market these days
- directive0, on 12/22/2008, -0/+5Yeah it sucks we live in a world of options.
- robojerk, on 12/22/2008, -1/+6Why did Palm sell PalmOS again?
- Scott2, on 12/22/2008, -1/+5That company split was a huge mistake, and they're still a long way from cleaning it up . . .
- pinchduck, on 12/22/2008, -0/+4The phone that syncs with Linux
- Elranzer, on 12/22/2008, -0/+4They bought their competitor Handspring, which was made up for former Palm employees including the founder and also the company that made the Treo. They also bought the software OS company Be, makers of BeOS. Since these purchases, the company split into PalmSource (OS) and PalmOne (hardware).
PalmOne's hardware was mostly Handspring-based units, focusing on the Treo, rather than the PDAs (Tungsten, etc). PalmOne was essentially Handspring. Their "current" PDA line-up consisting of the Tungsten E2 and TX are as old as 2004, yet are priced the same now as they were back then. PalmOne later changed its name back to Palm.
Since the split, Palm OS (then in version 5) has only really seen security updates (5.x.y), no new major releases. It's still in version 5 to this day. They were working on PalmOS 6 "Cobalt" which would have merged code from BeOS into PalmOS. That's when PalmSource was bought by AccessCo, and PalmOS's direction has been changed to merge with Linux to form Access Linux.
Access Linux has only really been seen in China on various devices. AccessCo still releases the decimal-updates to PalmOS 5 for new PalmOS-based Treos. Access Linux is not available to install on existing Palm devices.
Supposedly, PalmOS Nova is essentially version 7, rewritten from scratch. Not much is known about it. Maybe Palm leased back their source code from AccessCo to make Nova. - FirstDigg, on 12/22/2008, -0/+3To be fair, I have to reboot my current windows mobile phone just as much as if not more as I had to reboot the palm. I don't have an iphone or the g1 currently so maybe they're much better in that regards.
- Denominator88, on 12/22/2008, -1/+4The new OS will be targeted more towards consumer applications, where "Windows Mobile will continue to be our platform of choice for enterprise devices."
I was hoping more for really good enterprise device, but instead it looks like it will be a flashy phone for teenagers instead. - olias123, on 12/22/2008, -4/+7IPhone and Android markets will bury Palm.
- inactive, on 12/22/2008, -0/+3Nah, their Centro phone and Trio phones sold well and there's enough developer momentum to keep them going. People have been saying Palm is doomed for failure for almost 8 years.
- jsuther, on 12/22/2008, -0/+3Likely, I hung in with my Treo 650 for the last 4 years waiting for Palm to put out something significantly better. I cracked last week and picked up and iPhone. If t-mobile had coverage at my house it would have been a G1. As for Palm I still find that Palm's PIM apps where way better than the iPhone's. Safari and Google Maps may be killer apps but I find lots little stuff like the calendar is displaying birthday reminders for my contacts. You just can't do that with the iPhone and thanks to the sandbox one can't be done by a third party either.
- Elranzer, on 12/22/2008, -0/+3Let's hope it's binary compatible with older PalmOS apps AND Linux apps. That alone would be a killer feature.
Oh, and not being tied to AT&T or the iTunes App Store would be two more advantages. - tacojohn, on 12/22/2008, -1/+3I'd like to see what they have up their sleeve– I was a big palm user back in the day, Palm 1000, Palm III, then 505 (still sexy to this day). Here's to hoping they show us some sweet hardware and software...
- directrix13, on 12/22/2008, -0/+2Its a Linux Distro, not clone.
- tjolley, on 12/22/2008, -5/+7I was a huge Palm fan for years..starting all the way back with the Palm 1000. Stuck with them for YEARS..finally gave up on Palm and moved on to the iPhone.
Palm is about 2-3 years too late with this new OS. Had a rocking new OS based on linux been released a while back, I would probably still be using it..as it stands now..no way I am going back.
Sorry Palm...too little too late...you've lost most of your tech base and are now relegated to low-end barely-smart commodity Centros market. RIP. - inactive, on 12/22/2008, -1/+3No dude, palm is like 6 years late. It's amazing they're still around.
- Chairboy, on 12/22/2008, -1/+3The wording chosen for the Digg story sounds almost as if the software somehow escaped.
"No matter what I write with my stylus, the handwriting recognition keeps returning 'Where is Sarah Conner?' and I can't figure out why." - clockdist, on 12/22/2008, -0/+2@Elranzer: I'm both...
Treo 700p ruled before my iPhone. - devophl, on 12/22/2008, -0/+2Palm OS as a mobile OS is basically dead. I haven't seen anything out of Palm OS in the last 3 years that is anything more than a rehash of the same old interface we saw 5-8 years ago. And the applications have made little progress in functionality in the 3 years that I've had a Treo. Palm OS has less than 4% of the smartphone market as opposed to Symbian's 44%, iPhones at 18% and Windows Mobile at 15%. The only thing I see Palm OS being used for in the future is low capability phone where a light weight OS is needed (even though I think the Centro is better than that).
I am worried about Palm hardware as well. The OS is irrelevant if the phone itself is underpowered and lacks the hardware capabilities of other smartphones from Blackberries to Apple.
Finally, I can't find where Nova OS fits in. Palm seems to be convinced that Windows Mobile will be the OS on their high end Treos due to the need to access Exchange servers and that Palm OS will continue to be offered on the Centro (not a plus for that platform). This leaves Nova OS to a small niche market that somehow falls in between the 800w and the Centro. Where do they think this market is going to come from... iPhone and Nokia users?? If so, its going to be a hard sell. Lets face it, Palm is at least 2 years behind the curve and needs a new idea like Nova OS to keep it afloat. Maybe that's why they got a $100 million injection of cash today. - inactive, on 12/22/2008, -0/+2When I think of the downsides to the G1, they tend to be hardware related. Put a better battery in it, give it a standard headphone jack, add more internal storage, maybe make it a little more powerful so things like the web browser would be snappier... then I would probably buy one. I like android, but I'm not willing to settle for subpar hardware just for the chance to use it now.
- directrix13, on 12/22/2008, -1/+3@Elranzer:
Windows Mobile is by no means "the dominant smartphone os." - Elranzer, on 12/22/2008, -0/+2PalmOS is older than Windows Mobile (WinCE), iPhone OS and Blackberry OS, you know.
- Baryn, on 12/23/2008, -0/+2The iPhone does need rebooting, but more often apps (even the factory set) will simply crash on you instead.
- Tenoq, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1Oh snap. :p
- t0ny, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1I switched from a LifeDrive to the iPod Touch and never looked back. Jailbreak your iPod and you can run Perl and just about any other language you would want. I would not want any pda where I would adjust the digitizer. I like how the iPod touch just works.
- JesseJ, on 12/24/2008, -0/+1No. But they are playing around with the corpse.
- devophl, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1Well, given Palm has had 7 consecutive losing quarters, the positive balance sheet is not there to please shareholders.
I suspect Nova OS will be a neutered OS. If they did this right, then it really could compete with the iPhone and Android. But it would also compete with Windows Mobile and Palm OS. The management has already stated Nova won't compete with the Treo Pro and 800w running Windows Mobile believing they can't get Nova to compete in the business world. On the other end, it could compete with Palm OS but the management has stated it will stick with Palm OS on the Centro. So if you're not going to replace an OS on an existing phone. Do you have a phone to put it on? If its too good, then you will be essentially competing against yourself which will divert critical resources from other platforms. I suspect Nova will only have limited functionality in its first year hoping the open source community comes in to fill the application void. By then, it could be dead. I just don't see this working! And it could be detrimental to the 800w and Centro. Another nail in the coffin of Palm?? But I hope I'm surprised at CES. - nem0, on 12/22/2008, -1/+2I kept waiting and hoping, however I couldn't take the digitizer drift and crappy web browsing on my TX anymore. I switched to an iPod touch last month. Good luck Palm, but I think you've dropped the ball and it's too late to get back into the game. Although if I can run Perl and get a Flash-capable browser on a Palm, I might reconsider.
- slavetolust, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1My Centro Rocks! Can't wait to see what they will do with Nova.
- badqat, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1@ prnorm - you ever own a Treo 650? Utter garbage.
@ firstdigg - certain versions of the iPhone firmware have been crap. - jvincent08, on 12/22/2008, -2/+3Palm is still around?
- Sylenus, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1Yeah and, I mean just look at how successful the last decade has been for them. Their a cash cow if ever I saw one.
- jamshid, on 12/23/2008, -1/+2Windows Mobile has a lot going against it right now, with the Windows Mobile 7 rewrite likely not being available until 2010, and the big WM 6.1 feature being an IE6 compatible browser -- an improvement over the current IE4-like browser.
The Blackberry does have a strong enterprise presence, but that's eroding fast as employees at all levels have switched to an iPhone.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_200 ... Collateral Damage: Why Windows Mobile will die.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/oct/30/m ... Can Microsoft be a mobile hero? In a rapidly changing smartphone landscape, Microsoft looks like a laggard. Why does it seem so unfazed?
http://www.edibleapple.com/iphone-tops-windows-mob ... iPhone tops Windows Mobile in worldwide market share, and how Microsoft blew it
http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Winning+Over+Busine ... Apple Winning Over Businesses with iPhone - badqat, on 12/22/2008, -3/+4Yeah, they're great when you aren't rebooting them...
- striker1211, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1yes they're lol
- Elranzer, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1Would be nice to see some new Sony Clies, but that will probably never happen.
- clockdist, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1Hope? It *better* run Linux and Java apps, have a kickazz SDK, be open-as-all-hell if it want to even think about being noticed.
- nem0, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1Yeah, but the hardware sucks. Digitizer drift, slow processor, tiny screens etc. Ever try to surf the web on a TX? I switched to an iPod Touch last month and have been pleased despite it's limitations. It will take a decent screen, an OS & processor that can run Perl, and a flash-capable browser for Palm to win me back.
- netant, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1Irrelevant, Android will probably be able to do that in its next generation.
- drgmdp, on 12/22/2008, -0/+1a niche market
- netant, on 12/23/2008, -0/+1Its dumbass Culligan trying to keep his job for another few quarters. I'm amazed the shareholders haven't shoved him out the door yet. Its probably because they were so greedy for positive balance sheets, they allowed the device to STAGNATE in the market. No point in firing the guy who did exactly what you asked.
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