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- FirstDigg, on 11/17/2008, -1/+13Yell at apple.. looks like they have been working on an iphone version as well, but apple won't let them publish it.
- Murdats, on 11/17/2008, -1/+10there has been flash support for winmo for ages, the problem is its still flash 7 so is now mostly useless, good to see there will finally be a new version
- gregatron, on 11/17/2008, -2/+9Just get skyfire if you have WinMo. Great Browser.
- inactive, on 11/17/2008, -4/+10SWEET!! So stoked for this!
- r3zonance, on 11/17/2008, -1/+6If you need Flash for that, you are visiting the wrong sites.
- DanBoodro, on 11/17/2008, -0/+4mobile.pornhub.com
- KIERANMULLEN, on 11/17/2008, -4/+8I have been waiting for this for a long time on the Dell Axim x51v. Nice little units you can get for less than $100 (used to be $500) Vga graphics. MS word, excel, powerpoint, outlook contacts, opera browser, tv remote control, TI Calculator emulator, Gamebox, nes and snes emulator, listen to streaming music (mp3 currently until pandora) watch xvid movies with tempenc player.
- kiantech, on 11/17/2008, -0/+4I dont know why people are digging you down, I use skyfire and it supports flash and runs faster than mobile safari...
- PillCosby, on 11/17/2008, -0/+3uhh... video right?
- benitojuarez, on 11/17/2008, -0/+3I bought a touch pro, waiting for it to arrive, interested to see the difference between wm5 and 6.1
- RSAgent007, on 11/17/2008, -6/+9The latest version of Windows Mobile looks amazingly good (see HTC Touch Diamond and Xperian X1). With Flash support, it looks like Windows Mobile might have an edge against the iPhone OS.
That being said, most Windows Mobile phones are hideous looking =/ - yardie, on 11/17/2008, -0/+3If Apple and Adobe have had a rough relationship it's because Adobe has been callous about Apple users. Remember when the updates to Premiere were getting down to a trickle for Apple users. They finally stopped when Apple introduced FCP. Instead of Adobe making Premiere better they took their ball home. Aperture was released about the same time as Lightroom. The quality in both products shows what good competition does.
If anything Apple should be making Quicktime more prevalent or work with silverlight. I won't say that Adobe is 100% to blame for the poor performance of Flash on OSX but if I was Apple I would be reasonably pissed. I'll go as far as saying that every Flash developer should be required to write it on a Mac so they can really feel the crappy work they are doing.
Not all Flash sites are bad, but you quickly know which developers know something and which ones are just coding by numbers. Things like memory handling, instancing symbols incorrectly or not at all, and just plain buggy code. These are things that don't need to happen but Adobe allows them to get away with it on a PC but become blaringly obvious on a Mac. - ThirdPrize, on 11/17/2008, -2/+5At last, some decent adverts on the iPhone.
- jakem1, on 11/17/2008, -0/+3They'll also tell you how great Flash is and how they wish more websites use it.
- consie, on 11/17/2008, -0/+3Doesn't that imply that you were trying to order gloves designed specifically to work with the iPhone?
...on the go? - Visarga, on 11/17/2008, -2/+5This proves the superiority of iPhone. LOLZ
In fact I think it is an egoistic move by Apple to delay Flash in order to force everyone to invest in native iPhone apps as much as possible before giving in. Also a move to block other video than the Quicktime encoded variety. - inactive, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2Jailbreak for MMS and Video
- DemDude, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2I've got a Touch Diamond, and while the Touch Flo Interface is pretty decent, the advanced settings dialogs and pretty much anything else that's not implemented through Touch Flo is still pure *****, nearly unusable without a stylus.
And mind you, eMail, SMS, Explorer, are still displayed in the normal, ***** Windows Mobile environment. - scarwars, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2no flash = no games/entertainment apps.
not that that matters seeing the iPhone isn't multifunctional.. ie you can't run apps in the background. - blackax, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2to bad skyfire only supports 320x240 screens so my x1 cant use it
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2There is a good point here. Most Flash code out there makes many ASSumptions in the way it is written, like hardcoding of the layout and geometry of the movie. So for a mobile flash plugin to be practical, lots of behind the scenes fix 'em up code to do things like scaling and stuff need to be implemented(much like what mobile web browsers already do for hypertext).
- benitojuarez, on 11/17/2008, -2/+4In the meantime, skyfire can handle flash on windows mobile, ill just stick with that.
- jadit2, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2Please bring Flash Player 10 to Android!
- kitsua, on 11/17/2008, -1/+3Agreed. Of all the features missing from the iPhone, this is the one I care about the least.
- picto, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2I have the touch pro, and I made the same upgrade from a wm5 device...you'll be very pleased...I know I have been.
- spookyttws, on 11/17/2008, -4/+6GOOD, it's like browsing with a really good ad blocker on the iPhone. I don't care if I can only get video from YouTube as long as invasive flash ads with middle of screen pop ups are impossible, I think it's a fair trade off.
- snea, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2***** yea. Youtube on my treo finally. Bathroom breaks are gonna be much more exciting.
- superkendall, on 11/17/2008, -4/+5Flash is ultra power hungry, and usually runs like hell on smaller devices (and even some desktops). Shouldn't we all demand sites at least support an alternate site that does not require Flash ANYWAY?
Having an iPhone, ironically the only site I cannot use with the device is a site where you can order gloves designed specifically to work with the iPhone... - Murdats, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1we should demand that, but we should also have the ability to view sites that don't conform to our demands.
- mbraynard, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1The NBC Online Olympics Streaming page was pretty awesome. Watching four streams at once, etc.
A developer who is familiar with flash and silverlight was telling me how it has more flexibility. - DanBoodro, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2Dude, you have no idea...Adobe ***** AIR on the iPhone?!?! This would be so amazing. That'll cause quite a bit of stir for Apple's AppStore. And you can develop AIR apps with PC/Mac and Lin I believe. So no developer restrictions, except for those that Adobe puts on if the mobile version of AIR is different than the PC version.
- picto, on 11/17/2008, -2/+3Does this mean that all the flash advertisements will now make my opera mobile experience complete?
- Elranzer, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2With the ability to run any app you want without being "jailbroken", an established base of commercial and homebrew apps alike, copy/paste, buttons, and the ability to be run on a multitude of devices, Windows Mobile has always had the edge on the iPhone.
Oh wait, I forgot, it's not shiny. iPhone wins! /s - Elranzer, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1What uses Silverlight?
- elmetald00d, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1most porn websites that provide video provide you with flash video. (see: most, not all)
- dejanigma, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1I've been working with Flash Light for linux and i must say its pretty cool. It retains all the exsential featuers of Flash for making nice GUIs and stuff. The only bad thing i can say about it right now is its a HUGE resource hog and pretty unstable, but we're real early in the development here and i believe adobe will work out the bugs eventually.. End of hte story is, if you got Flash and Java on your portable, you can run almost anyhting on web 2.0.
- gfnw, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Right, because Apple has the market share to force a change like that.
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/17/2008, -2/+3Goodbye Youtube. And Homestar Runner? And oh yeah, what most web designers do these days with javascript/ajax is just fantastic. That 90% of what its used for should never have happened anyway. Unless the script adds functionality, easy of use, or real utility to the site, it shouldn't be there.
- jakem1, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2So you're happy to get rid of all the video sites out there - YouTube, DailyMotion, etc. If it wasn't for online video I doubt many people would bother with Flash.
- DemDude, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1I don't think layout and geometry should be changed, just scaling. If they start messing with the geometry and button-layout, it will end badly.
- someology, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1You need fingernails. :) Seriously. Myself and several other women I know get very annoyed trying to use the iPhone because you must use your fingertip, but can't use your nails. If you have any fingernails at all, this makes it almost unusable. Not a problem on Palm or Windows Mobile.
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2I don't think Apple will allow AIR apps, if only for these exact reasons.
- DemDude, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1Is it better than the Opera on my Touch Diamond? I didn't really miss Flash so far, but if it's better for normal browing, too, I'd like to gve it a try.
edit: oh, blackax, 320x240, are you sure? No use for me either, then =( - KittensRunAmok, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2I hope the limited capabilities of mobile devices finally pushes Adobe to address the bloat that is the swf player. Adobe is really behind the game right now, having let their quality slip with each progressive iteration of practically everything. Although I typically resent Apple's strong handed practices I am glad that Adobe is feeling it from Apple right now. Us users and developers haven't been successful in encouraging Adobe to do anything about CS-Bloat.
- ZeroSum1975, on 11/17/2008, -1/+2Good job Apple. Just say no to Flash! Eventually people will stop loading up there websites with that God-Awful Flash.
- someology, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1DemDude, no, user friendly and shiny are not the same things. Palm devices were very user friendly for a long time before iPhone existed. There were models with wi-fi, built into phones with cellular 'net access, that played video, audio, and movies. However, they were not shiny enough. Not cartoony or glitzy or white glossy etc. So no one used them. Claims like this that the iPhone wins becuase of user friendliness and not just because it's trendy are annoying to anyone who has used Palm devices much.
- crazymonkey, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1When choosing between works well and works everyone knows which way Adobe will go.
Aside from designers, who needs/uses flash? I think we can live without it.... - DemDude, on 11/17/2008, -1/+1And by shiny, you mean user-friendly.
Usability is something the Windows Engineers have completely ignored until the introduction of Vista. Unfortunately, while they made great changes on their Desktop OS, these changed have not yet come to the Mobile Segment.
Oh, and as I stated above: I've got an htc Touch Diamond with Windows Mobile 6, and have been using Windows Mobile Devices since they first started out as competitors to the monochromatic Palm Handhelds. - inactive, on 11/17/2008, -1/+1This is not my area of expertise by a long shot! However there are people out there, for whom I have enormous respect. When they tell me that Flash is the VHS of digital video I have to pay attention. Market penetration does not equal technical superiority, it merely indicates expediency. Maybe Jobs knows something you and I haven't figured out yet. There may be something better in the pipeline. Maybe the next version of H.264?
- clockdist, on 11/18/2008, -1/+1it will take a lot more than flash for me to use WinMobile.
it will take a better device than HTC for me to use Android. -
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