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- jer2eydevil88, on 11/14/2009, -2/+38Not all Mac users are annoying fanboi's. It's just that the loudest among us have painted a dirty picture of a slacker with designer jeans who won't shut up.
- jer2eydevil88, on 11/13/2009, -2/+34It is shaping up to be that 2009 is the year of Android. Google just needs to quit developing apps for the iPhone next year and the whole thing becomes a pretty little ds.
- DevilToo, on 11/13/2009, -1/+32They use to offer a PDA called an Axim. I had one, it was prob the second best PDA on the market behind the one offered by Compaq. Hrm, I think Dell might do a decent job with this as opposed to their proprietary PCs and poor support.
- ileftfark, on 11/13/2009, -0/+23Am I seeing your user icon right?
- ileftfark, on 11/14/2009, -1/+24Not going to happen. The core of Apple's philosophy is to have complete control over their devices. This can be good, as support will be top-notch as hardware variables are virtually non-existent, and they can deploy software/firmware updates across the board (although there's been some recent missteps in that category). Apple does a decent job of designing (I won't even say 'producing' any more) hardware on which to run their likewise decent OS.
But the flip-side of that is a Betamax vs VHS condition. Betamax, by most marks, was actually the better format, but Sony decided to keep the format in-house, for a variety of reasons. JVC on the other hand, licensed out the VHS format to any manufacturer who would pay. So we ended up with a gamut of VHS players, some *****, some good, but *pervasive*. We had options; different features, different price points, etc.
The game is a little different today, but history has shown that when a competing format diversifies, they tend to survive. Of course, the iPhone has a commanding head start, but it's pretty much agreed that Android-based handsets will close in quickly, given the number of handsets and providers on which it's now available. - blackinthmiddle, on 11/13/2009, -7/+23Bottom line, the only way that Apple can continue to lead the market is to open their OS and let manufacturers make phones based off of it. Otherwise, the same fate that happened to them in the PC market might just happen to them with smartphones.
- numberneal, on 11/13/2009, -0/+13they're ganging up on mac guy
- MeLikeyTacos, on 11/13/2009, -0/+12Yeah those Axim's were pretty damn good, one of the best products Dell has had even. I remember playing with one and thinking "if this were also a phone, it would kick major ass"...so it's exciting to see this.
Really glad they're going with Android instead of WinMo! I'm not too fond of the looks of the device itself though, I wish they would make it a little more business-like and utilitarian like the Axims were. But it'll be exciting to see where they go with it. - loconet, on 11/14/2009, -0/+11I love Android. Been using it since it became available where I live and expect to develop for it but holy *****, that's one ugly android device.
- DevilToo, on 11/13/2009, -0/+9Yeah, I could even play SNES games via an emulator on the Axim. I mostly used it for reading ebooks though and keeping my homework assignments for college.
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 11/14/2009, -0/+9HA! That's awesome and so very true. :)
- digjam, on 11/14/2009, -0/+7Thats Fugly!
- zephc, on 11/14/2009, -0/+7The US is a really big place
- shadeOfGrey, on 11/14/2009, -1/+7Their early model mp3 players were really solid too.
- diggbigwig, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6I looked at the stats for this phone and it would be a pretty nice phone if this was 2002.????
Sounds like you're talking about the iPhone. - BullBearMS, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6Dell has manufactured it's own mp3 players, PDAs, Printers, Flat Panel TV's... This is hardly the first time they have stepped out of the PC marketplace.
- aaronfleishman, on 11/14/2009, -0/+6The weather in the U.S. is temperate and can change drastically at times...knowing the weather helps people to plan events and their schedules. One weekend in October the northeast had 6 inches of snow (a record early snowfall). A few weekends later it was 70 degrees (a record high for the time of year).
As far as maps...The U.S. is a big place and there are a lot of roads & buildings, not all of which are clearly marked, and the location of "everything" is indexed using numerical addresses accessible via mapping software. This is a bit different in other countries (2nd & 3rd world especially) where people sometimes officially identify locations based on features or nearby landmarks. If I wanted to know the location of the hotel/house I stayed at in Africa, I need to know GPS coordinates as their address is a P.O. box. In the U.S., every location has an address that corresponds to a geographical location and that database is easily accessible via mapping software. - willriker, on 11/14/2009, -1/+6Correction - /facedell
- MWeather, on 11/14/2009, -0/+5Their browser engine is based on GPL code. They had to open source it. The only major part they didn't have to was the SunSpider, which they licensed under the BSD license instead. Kudos to them for that, but it's not even used for web browsing, it's just a benchmark.
- krisrm, on 11/14/2009, -0/+4Correct, and to add icing to the Betamax/VHS comparison, handset manufacturers don't even have to pay anything to license Android (from what I remember), making it an even more attractive option.
- rpgmakr, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3Well, you have to consider the freedom that manufacturers have by choosing Android, an open platform. And not only that, by having android on their phones they're assured that at least the phone will not get bad reviews on the OS department (unless they REALLY ***** it up).
- oriondr, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3Yeah, that was definitely my first reaction to those pictures.
- krisrm, on 11/14/2009, -0/+3I don't think anyone *has* counted Apple out... it looks as if some handset manufacturers (yes, HTC included) have finally started to get the point, though. The Hero is good competition for the 3GS. The Droid is good competition for the 3GS. The Galaxy (or whatever retarded name Samsung is marketing it as) looks to be good competition for the 3GS, as does Sony-Ericsson's "Rachel". The Pre is good competition for the 3GS. Heck, even the Windows Mobile HD2 is undeniably running on some incredible hardware (can't wait for the Dragon... same/similar hardware running Android) that's not matched by any of Apple's offerings. Apple have put themselves into a "everyone else vs. us" situation - that worked out well for them in the portable music industry, but not so well in the desktop computer industry... I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens, but they're starting to feel some pressure: I'm sure most would agree that the 3GS wasn't a marked improvement over the 3G in terms of innovative new features. It was designed to get people that had the original iPhone to upgrade. At the rate that everyone else is churning out these highly competitive Android phones, they'd better have something better up their sleeves than "we let you guys record video, and we added a few megapixels and an autofocus feature that everyone else already has to the camera"
- proverbs17, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2Ahhhhh, it's soooo goood seeing another Android device. Actually any smartphone is great to see. I say, "The more the merrier"!!! Six months from now, I may actually buy one at a nice low price with all of the bugs worked out. Thanks to all of the Early Adopters out there!
- loconet, on 11/16/2009, -0/+2"Remember Symbian? Openmoko? Both of them are failures" - Are you implying that they were a failure because they were open? Are you joking?
I take it you've never developed for Windows or Linux .. you know, because they too run on various hardware configurations are doing just fine. The fact that that the development environment is less restrictive makes it even more attractive for developers. I find it hard to believe that a "developer" would argue otherwise.
By the way, Android isn't just Google. - spookyttws, on 11/14/2009, -0/+2It looks really cluttered next to the iPhone. I like Dell and I wish them the best of luck. But if the new Droid phones can only just compete with the iPhone, I see no hope of Dell even coming close with this device. The real issue comes 6 months from now when we see the next iPhone. I'm not an Apple fanboy- the only product of theirs I own is the first gen iPhone- but it's the most intuitively designed device I've purchased.
- dynamitshikoku1, on 11/14/2009, -1/+2See, this is the problem of privatizing software meant for everyday usage. It creates competition. If you make something public; profits are larger, and steady.
- AngelBunny, on 11/14/2009, -2/+3Apple's fell because Steve Jobs left Apple. For a couple of years Apple was *****. I went from OS 7 to XP and then XP to 10.4 for a reason.
- stevenr21, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1i really want this to be successful but it looks boring.
- cesclaveria, on 11/14/2009, -2/+3may be it is a US thing.. but why do you guys go nuts over the maps and weather apps/widgets/gadgets? do you go to unknown places that much on a place without windows?
- homercles337, on 11/14/2009, -4/+5Ha ha, you said, "Apple ... smartphone."
- ohplease, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1I don't think you can count Apple out when it comes to hardware innovation. They did have the first multitouch phone. I'm not an apple fanboy (hell I don't even have an Iphone) but there is nothing that manufacturers like HTC can bring that Apple can't trounce next product cycle.
- AngelBunny, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1in more ways than one apparently: http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_ ...
- mbraynard, on 11/14/2009, -2/+3I looked at the stats for this phone and it would be a pretty nice phone if this was 2002.
It's under powered, low-feature joke and I have no idea why they are releasing it (IE - no 3G. Really). - Solkre, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1Apple didn't have much competition over the iPod. Doesn't look like they'll get the same luxury with smart-phones.
Kind of sad though, we have to wait for Apple to start something, before the others get off their asses >.<
Think I'd have a Droid w/ Verizon Wireless in my hand right now, if Apple hadn't made the iPhone and put it on AT&T's network? - MisterChase, on 11/21/2009, -0/+1Dell, what the hell?
- aristotle0dude, on 11/17/2009, -0/+1So point me to a phone that had 3G, Wifi, a standards compliant desktop class browser and a well developed API and appstore in 2002.
- Gerz1219, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1Apple recently bought a competing map software company just in case Google decides to go nuclear, but I don't think that will be the case. Google profits more from the open nature of its services and if they start locking out large swaths of users, it will be bad for their image. If anything, Apple is the one keeping services like Google Voice off the iPhone.
- krisrm, on 11/14/2009, -1/+2"boring" isn't exactly the word I'd use... try "unusual", or maybe "queer"
- proverbs17, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1Apple has always been fine with make more expensive, but less popular devices. Look at their desktop and laptops for an example. People will still buy Apple because their Apple. I personally won't. Too expensive for me. Although, I have a really nice Mac Pro at work and I love it.
- aristotle0dude, on 11/17/2009, -0/+1blackinthmiddle, have you ever heard of the phrase "developers, developers, developers, developers"? Although some developers are attracted by open source, most are attracted by a viable platform and an appstore that makes it easy for them to sell and distribute apps to the end user.
Apple provides an appstore which is simple for developers to publish to and you are not going to run into many problems as long as you take the time to read the rules before you start your project. over a hundred thousand apps have been published on the app store so far. - applK, on 11/14/2009, -0/+1for as long as dell has been in bed with microsoft, i cant believe they chose android. What a slap in face to microsoft.
- madwh, on 11/14/2009, -1/+1I like how there are no buttons on the front, improvement from the iPhone. :-D Here's the next thing, NO buttons at all and the front just a screen with no edges at all.
- g3r4, on 11/15/2009, -1/+1Yeah, except for the part where he said Google shouldn't make apps for the iPhone and said that 2009 was Android's year. Oh, wait, that was his entire ***** post.
- BullBearMS, on 11/14/2009, -6/+5Isn't that what people said about the iPod and how it was destined to fail under the onslaught of mp3 players in Microsoft's Plays For Sure ecosystem?
Apple has 70% of the mp3 player market, so why is everyone still claiming that licensing your software is the only way to win? - fbmx, on 11/14/2009, -1/+0Jesus. The Google maps app is the only thing on my phone that I absolutely couldn't live without.
- Oddish, on 11/14/2009, -2/+1Using Apple logo as user icon = fanboy.
- JohnnySoftware, on 11/14/2009, -6/+4They open sourced their browser engine and their OS.
Go take a look at WebKit and Darwin sometime.
Now go take a look at the source code for IE and Windows sometime.
And no fair peeking at the source code for Mosaic. - cbeach, on 11/14/2009, -5/+3As a developer I prefer iPhone's closed system. Google isn't doing anthing particularly novel with their "open" Android OS. Remember Symbian? Openmoko? Both of them are failures. As a developer I wouldn't touch either with a barge pole.
With iPhone I have one resolution, one input method, one distribution method and a nicely abstracted SDK. Apple makes it easy for me to develop iPhone apps. Consumers obviously don't mind too much about these "limitations" either. Look at the sales stats. - willriker, on 11/14/2009, -3/+0Correction - "(Chrome - no 3G. Really)."
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