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- razorsharp84, on 11/24/2007, -2/+26http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_National_F ...
You had your chance(s) - creep303, on 11/24/2007, -3/+27This might be the stupidest and most uninformed comment I think I've ever read on Digg...
- sjbdallas, on 11/24/2007, -1/+14LA's had plenty of chances. The NFL even bent over backwards to have them beat out houston and they still couldn't get it together. I have no sympathy.
- RyanCoke, on 11/24/2007, -2/+12I agree that this is really dumb thing to say. Canadians are INCREDIBLY proud to be Canadians, and don't (generally) like to confused as Americans.
- TDot1980, on 11/24/2007, -0/+10As long as they're called the Roughriders, I'm OK with it.
- Shakermaker, on 11/24/2007, -2/+11I honestly can't see it ever happening because it would kill the CFL (which has been in it's death throes for years). I am a huge Bills fan, and live in the T.O. area, and would love to see it. It would certainly be more popular than basketball is up here.
Other than the Leafs it would be THE game in town. - flair1, on 11/24/2007, -0/+9I have a friend who is from Buffalo and a huge Bills fans. He says at least 1/4 of people going to Billls games drive from Canada anyway. This move is just a natural extension of what is already happening.
- sjbdallas, on 11/24/2007, -2/+10Dude, that was like one season and one channel.
- emc86, on 11/24/2007, -4/+12"American" Football is a Canadian sport. I really don't want to see the CFL die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football#His ... - lokee73, on 11/24/2007, -13/+20Yeah, too bad there wasn't another major American city dying for a team....Oh wait, how about Los ***** Angeles?!
- smacksaw, on 11/24/2007, -0/+7Toronto isn't one of the CFL's biggest markets. It's one their biggest POTENTIAL markets. The people of tdot have spoken - they just don't really care. But if you want to keep the Argos there make it a package where the NFL and CFL teams' tickets are sold together. You can't buy the NFL season tickets without getting the same seat for the CFL game. After that U of T debacle with the soccer stadium the Argos need a good place to play.
I think it's pretty cool to think that the Argos could play in an NFL-calibre stadium they share with the NFL squad. There's weekday games and days other than Saturday, so tdot could be blessed with 2 awesome games per week. On Sundays they could play the NFL game and then show the Argos' away game in the stadium or vice-versa.
Look at how well they support the Leafs and The Rock. Good venues and good organisations. The Jays are a good organisation but the ballpark is not. This might even be a good excuse for total redevelopment for a proper baseball-only stadium. Toronto is such an amazing city - it could have a world-class sports park. You could solve soccer, CFL and NFL all in one fell swoop. Air Canada Centre is right there and then you make a new baseball stadium.
The thing is, tdot has strong gov't and passionate sports fans. If they can be shown the advantage to this, sinking 2 billion into a red-hot Ontario economy (while sucking at Ottawa's teet for more cash than they deserve as usual because they're the crown jewel of Canada LOL) for the world's premiere sports complex is a hell of a draw/feather in their cap.
That's how I'd do it. I'd get the Jays in on this as well.
As far as the Bills go, I'd love to see them be owned by the community like the Riders and the Packers. Those people deserve their team. Wilson should screw the league and incorporate when he dies and use the sale of the shares to fund his heirs. - ricearoni, on 11/24/2007, -0/+7This is extraordinary. The news lately has been all about how attendance is way up, and sellouts are more the norm than the exception, and yet you say the CFL "has been in it's death throes for years". If this is death, then bring it on!
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -2/+8I'm still recovering. :)
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -1/+6Why don't they just take one of New York's teams? What state needs 3 ***** (*****) NFL teams anyway?!
- ButterBuddha, on 11/24/2007, -0/+5Mark Cohon doesn't understand that the Buffalo Bills playing in Toronto is purely for the survival of the franchise. "It helps expand our market in Buffalo," Wilson said. "It gives us a major metropolitan area to expand our base." Buffalo is dieing and it's doubtful that the city can support the franchise after the current owner/founder dies.
- cmholm, on 11/24/2007, -0/+4I hadn't seen a CFL game until staying at field view room at Rogers Centre on business a few months back. The play was fast and excellent, and I'm sold on three downs. Others have stated why having the NFL move into Canada is a bad idea, and I agree.
Regarding an LA franchise (as a born Angelino): we got boofed by the NFL, and we learned that we don't need 'em. We've already got two NBA, MLB, and NHL teams. We've got nationally ranked college football and basketball coming out of our ears. If we need a pro football game, it's never blacked out on TV.
If the NFL wants a gold-plated stadium, they can go hit on the private capital markets to pay for it. A little dose of market economics would be good for the owners' souls. We've already got our share of taxpayer-funded sites, and if the markets don't want to pony up for the LA Luxury Box Stadium either, then it's probably a money losing proposition, and we probably don't need it. - 3magine, on 11/24/2007, -2/+5If this ever happens, I'd like to laugh in Bob McFaggots face from sports radio...I hate that ***** prick so much.
- Araxen, on 11/24/2007, -1/+4LA has had what 3 teams now? They've proven they can't keep an NFL team and are undeserving of a franchise.. Give one to Toronto they are more deserving.
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3The CFL was here already
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFL_USA - shinda, on 11/24/2007, -0/+3This will NEVER happen and this has less to do with CFL/NFL survival or politics but more simply to do with the economics surrounding the sports industry.
The NFL as it currently stands makes a great chunk of its money due to its aired programming, which makes money on the backs of advertisers paying big bucks to get there spot during an NFL broadcast. A good majority of these advertisers are located only in America, and are paying for Americans to see there products. They care little about wanting to show off to Canadians. Likewise the Canadian affiliates can't even begin to compete with the amount of cash that is being spent by their American counterparts just because the markets are so vastly different in size.
As great as it would be for the fans it's just not good business for anybody involved. - smacksaw, on 11/24/2007, -2/+5Though as an "ugly" American in Toronto I find I feel right at home when I'm there. I speak with a pretty noticeable Canadian accent now and no one in t.dot ever guesses I'm not one of them while anywhere else I go I scream "American".
tdotters might hate Americans but it's hypocrisy. Toronto is like home away from home for me. - cougar222, on 11/25/2007, -0/+3No call them the Blue Bombers!!
- Titan416, on 11/24/2007, -1/+3Toronto is the largest untapped market left for the NFL, period. Larger then LA. The GTA has over 6 million people currently and is growing every single day. The amount of football fans is staggering and the amount of money willing to be thrown around is in the billions. I really don't think Shinda understands the economics, or how our economy is expanding, our dollar is worth more and having Teams in New England, NY, Toronto, Philly, Detroit, Pitsburg would make the east coast a huge HOT spot for football. Also, you have to understand that the team won't just be TOronto's. Every Canadian who enjoys the NFL will get involved (a lot of Canadians do) and support the only Canadian team. It amount to more money and fans then any city considering it holds an entire countries hopes.
- Cerpin_Taxt, on 11/24/2007, -3/+5Americans do not ruin everything they touch.
But, the fact that american networks thought that a black object on a white surface needed to be highlighted was ***** dumb. - SirDiggalot, on 11/25/2007, -0/+2I hate the Riders, but I gotta give the fans credit... they're the only ones that can turn huge swaths of a stadium a different colour (in this case green)... on the opposing team's turf. Anyway, Go Bombers!
- arenahotsauce, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Hopefully Jim Kelly can buy the Bills after Ralph Wilson dies.
- RyanCoke, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2The cultural differences between Americans and Canadians are buried fairly deep. All of Canada should be a home away from home. It's just that we have different viewpoints and government policies. Everyone is welcome in Canada, until one makes themself "unwelcome".
I don't want this to be an "Us" versus "Them" thread. I just think that we are individual nations and patriotic to our own nations.
To say that Toronto wants to be American is like saying that Seattle wishes it was Vancouver. It's cutesy pie, fifth grader assumptions.
Funny thing is "Pretty Noticeable Canadian Accent". We have an accent in Toronto? I never knew. Ha. - smacksaw, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Though no matter what if Rogers gets new digs, they can re-do all of that. It's a shame to tear down a 13 year old building, but it's a relic of an era of flawed thinking that needs to go. Corporate welfare FTW!
- Brad324, on 11/24/2007, -4/+6except for toronto
- smacksaw, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Actually, you're right. I should have said "strong arm"...LOL
I didn't mean "strong" in a necessarily nice fashion.
See, I think NFL will be popular (and this is the same reason they will have trouble going into Canada) because of the gaming aspect. Most of the people I know in Vancouver and Montreal (where I lived) watched CFL mainly for betting reasons. Makes a great third play on your teaser...
You have to remember that the Leafs being competitive or not isn't going to be a determining factor in what the NFL is going to do. If anything it will make them more likely to go and capture disgruntled fans. The Leafs are a great franchise, but their biggest problem is the corporate control of seating. With a little competition from the NFL you're likely to see seats go back to fans. As far as organisational problems go, I give any team 5 years from this new CBA to figure out what they are going to do, but the Leafs were (and are) such an old team with key injuries to their grittiest players. - Anubis2051, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2Didn't the Jays just sign to stay in Rogers Center through like 2037 or something like that?
- crowbar77, on 11/24/2007, -0/+2A state that has a bigger population than Canada itself....
- Richandler, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1The league doesn't need to be spread more thin of talent and doesn't need increased distances of travel. It fine the way it is now.
- artgon, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1That was a different era. At the time the Canadian Govt felt it was really important to protect Canadian culture from being completely assimilated by the dominant US culture in North America. I think at this time, the Canadian Govt is probably not even remotely interested in protecting Canadian culture -- especially if the money is right for this NFL team to come to Toronto.
- tehnico, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Sport fans in LA aren't sport fans. They are hype fans. They want to be the center of attention. If you don't spend your whole teams payroll on marketing blitzes, they are too apathetic to care.
- SirDiggalot, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1Really? Come out west and see a game... where the *true* Canadians love the CFL. The CFL isn't in "death throes" by any stretch. All I see with you is Torontonian arrogance.
- Krabid, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2You are both on crack.
The Dodgers were the first team in history to draw 3 million fans. The Rams were here for 50 years before moving to St. Louis because the owner was a whore for the cash. The Lakers are followed rabidly, even when they suck. USC is a madhouse during football season and UCLA is the same during basketball season. The Kings games are always packed and they haven't won a thing in over 15 years.
Maybe you should come to a game or two before you make a blanket statement like that. LA is as good a sports city as any in the country. The problem with the NFL and LA is politics. The city has too many crooked politicians involved in the crappy Coliseum. No NFL team will play there and the politicians do their best to make sure they don't play anywhere else. The fans ultimately suffer. - simoncoul, on 11/24/2007, -2/+3are u on crack the CFL is an embarrassment to us, any real football fan would way rather have the NFL up here then the CFL.
- mpdid, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2Yeah really?! Obviously this guy is from Toronto (Center of the Universe) to say a retarded comment such as the CFL has been in its death throes for years. Hey Shakermaker, theres a country outside of Toronto, and the CFL is doing just fine.
- cougar222, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1If the NFL comes to Toronto it will be the start of other NFL franchises to Canada: Montreal, Alberta, BC all have NFL-like stadiums already.
- tehnico, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1So sunday night, the cowboys and habs are in town. I wonder who everyone wants to go see...
Leafs would be the number one game in town as long as they are not in the way. - tehnico, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1The CFL is huge out west, They would probably make their own league out there is the argos go.
- stormgren, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Which advertisers are only in America?
Just curious. - shockeriv, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Don't forget Florida.
- inactive, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1I wonder how this team's gonna be, considering other sport teams we already have out there doing so far (Leafs (recently), Toronto FC). Let's just hope for the best and not have another half ass team.
- bundwallah, on 11/24/2007, -1/+2tdot has strong gov't?? You're kidding right? These are the same folks that want to get into the hot dog cart business.
NFL & Toronto = NEVER HAPPEN. Too many large US cities where football is worshipped from high school -> college -> pro. The Canadian equivalent is hockey. No other sport here has that grassroots to pro support/following. Any NFL fans in tdot aka Toronto, typically are in it from the betting perspective and wouldn't support the local team.
This is a pipe dream. Toronto needs a competitive hockey team first and foremost. Not a overblown hype machine of a game... - mapez, on 11/24/2007, -0/+1Well we did try to make it illegal to play world football in the 70s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Football_Act
BAN THE NFL! ITS THE DEVILS TOOL! - cougar222, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1Alberta could support an NFL team, a provincial team, like Minnesota, Arizona, etc. With all its money, all its people, and their American leanings, they could support an NFL team easily. They could build a new stadium. Meanwhile, the stadium in Edmonton which seats 60,000 is really an NFL stadium already. It is 30 years old though and wouldn't work in the long term.
- arenahotsauce, on 07/01/2008, -0/+1so ***** lame
- SirDiggalot, on 11/25/2007, -0/+1I think you're underestimating how ingrained the CFL is out west. My impression is that most Albertans would despise an NFL team here. In fact, I don't understand this whole "Alberta is the most American province" argument. I've lived in various places across the country, and Alberta is way less "Americanized" than most cities in Ontario. I've met more patriotic Canadians in Alberta than anywhere else in Canada.
And if you wanted a provincial team, where would you put it? Edmonton or Calgary? The cities are far enough away that I don't think you'd have a significant fanbase either way... and there's so much rivalry between the two cities... the city that didn't get a team would probably boycott it out of spite. I sure as hell wouldn't drive to Edmonton just for one stinkin' NFL game. -
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