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- jeff25624, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35I hate to say it, but I'm not shocked this happened to a Hurricane. That program needs to be shut down, and completely retooled. Between this and the brawl, this has been an absolutely horrid season for Miami. It's tragic, and demonstrates the need for change.
- tombomb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19My prayers go out to his friends and family...
- elb4ny0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18OMG. That is a tragedy!
- danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16It's sad, but I'm inclined to agree with you. You'll likely get dugg down for saying that, but sadly it's the truth. Miami has had a certain mentality for years now that, unfortunately in this light, can only be described as dangerous. That doesn't make this situation any less tragic, however. Perhaps some good can come from this and the university can take a serious look at the negative culture surrounding the team.
- haydentech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Umm, a lot of people *are* saying that for the exact reason he mentions. I wouldn't say it's bad journalism, but rather a bit more frank that the usual impersonal news reporting.
- gconeen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8it truly is
- mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I've got to agree with haydentech. This reporter simply had the guts to say what everyone (including myself) is thinking. I don't call that bad journalism. This is a sad event, but still, Miami should stop recruiting street thugs, or these kinds of problems will continue to happen and more frequently.
- Porkgod, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I don't think the football program needs to be shut down. However, I do think that the administration needs to take more action when things like the brawl takes place. They show these kids that there are major penalties if they break the rules. This is 100% in the administration's hands and they need to start cleaning things up before more tragedy occurs.
- Lumbeekid06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7something this school didn't need right now...
- jdmacor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You know, I am kinda seeing a type of class discrimination. If you think about it, other schools are doing all sorts of crappy things; paying players, buying them cars, giving them penthouse apartments, and generally letting them get away with anything. At Miami, the school had a history of violence and general "thugness." It is kinda like Miami is a blue collar school getting screwed while other big programs are being treated like white collar criminals. Just making an observation...
At any rate, this whole situation is a tragedy. - uperjer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7When a football player dies, it's a tragedy. When a soldier in Iraq dies, it's a statistic.
Go figure. - danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I can see your sentiment that it does seem a bit morbid, but it is still news. For instance, the story on Steve Irwin's death was one of the most dugg stories in the history of the site. Even if it's unfortunate news, it's still news.
- uncontested, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm sitting in the UM library right now and this is the first I've heard of it. Seems news are a little slow to get around here.
Still a great tragedy. Bryan was indeed a great character around campus.
He will be missed. - mmortal03, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Hmm, my first message didn't post right:
"Miami should stop recruiting street thugs, or these kinds of problems will continue to happen and more frequently."
The University of Miami recruits the same type of players nationally that the rest of the country does. There isn't some sort of lesser standard at Miami where they choose to recruit players with attitudes. Miami has had less problems off the field with arrests, and the like, than most other major football universities, in the history of the program, and we have a higher than average athlete graduation rate.
Miami has just had a ton of notable on-field related issues that have been very visible. There needs to be some lifestyle ADVICE given to all our players, but only because I think that they more visibly represent the university. However, I don't know how far you can go with controlling students' lives. I personally have an academic scholarship to go to UM, and they don't get to tell me what I am allowed to do with my life, so I think it should be the same here, where the school can only give them safety advice, and that is it. The school can't tell our players what to do off the field, they can only punish them for the consequences.
I do think that some of our players' have an entitlement complex that needs to be rectified, especially since these aren't the players that produced our previous national titles. If they would act more humbly, this might also carry into how they deal with situations off the field. I just don't know whether that would have mattered in this particular incident, however. - rfaraj, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Here is some poor journalism in regards to this story. Mike Celizic from MSNBC said this:
"And so, it really doesn’t matter why Pata was shot or by whom. He played for the Hurricanes. He died violently. If it happened at Ohio State, we’d be shocked. But at Miami, a lot of people will say it’s not even a surprise: when you recruit thugs, such things happen."
Here is a link. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15612674/
Say what you want about University of Miami, but this is pathetic journalism. - umiami91, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't know where you get your graduation rates, but they are well above that. In fact, if you took the time to research what you are claiming vs. being a troll about it, you would see a 67% rate for football, and an overall 77% rate for student athletes. Not great, but understandable based on the talent that goes early to the NFL. Like Devin Hester whose parents were extraordinarily poor and he wanted to help them. What about Vince Wilfork who stayed to keep the promise to his parents who both died within a year of each other?
As to recruiting criminals and "thugs", do you think it is wrong to allow folks with a chequered past a chance to go to college? Yes, and play football, but would you rather leave them on the streets vs. give them a chance to improve themselves? Great - that makes sense.
As to the FIU brawl - I think if you reference AP reports about it, FIU initiated it. Does that make them thugs? First appearance on the national stage and they start a brawl. So that is 100% rate i think. Thugs? No. - jdmacor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+42005 NCAA Graduation Rates Report (Football):
University of Miami: 87%
Top 5 Teams:
Ohio State: 31%
Michigan: 63%
Louisville: 58%
Florida: 32%
Texas: 33%
Are there some misconceptions maybe? - btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't know if I should dig this story. It is news, but it is a tragedy, should we dig tragedy?
- DDoSAttack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6What in the ***** does this have to do with the FIU brawl???
This probably had more to do with an earlier attempted robbery that involved this guy and two other players. - umiami91, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Blaming the program for a player being shot OFF campus is not appropriate. While the football program has faced some tough adversity this year, blaming a tragedy like this on the athletic department is an easy thing for an intellectually dishonest person to do. Miami is not a terribly safe town, despite what the tourist agencies would have you believe. Lay off the football program and let them grieve their loss.
- commiecat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6You know, with all the anti-Republican and pro-Democrat diggs I see amidst our elections, I'm kinda shocked at seeing all these typically-conservative notions being dugg so high. This is the death of a man who was not only playing well for a top football program but was about to graduate university with a degree in criminology. Please treat it as such.
The program needs to be shut down? Miami players are thugs and gangbangers? The FIU brawl was UM's fault?
South Florida is the sixth-largest metropolitan area in the U.S. The larger the city and population, the higher the crime rate. Most of the players on their team are from the Miami area and are playing football as an alternative to crime.
Without South Florida, football around the country would be pretty bland. Look at how many top universities recruit from the area and then look at how many NFL teams have UM (and UF/FSU as well) players on their team.
It's been a horrible year for Hurricane fans just trying to watch their offense. Two shootings and a brawl make it exponentially worse. There's a major bias against Miami by most traditional sportswriters and this only fuels their idiotic statements regarding the school. It's sad that journalists will take a tragedy like this and use it tarnish an entire community. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Nevermind that the football program knowingly recruits criminals. No, not the program's fault, surely not.
- jdmacor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The only way to judge that is by looking at who is being investigated currently and Miami is not currently in the cross hairs. Does that mean that it is not doing these things? No, but it does say that are schools are doing it on a larger scale. Miami is (obviously) in a big city, where the people don't really care that much about the team (look at their attendance... even when they have had huge seasons), unlike in other college towns where the football players are celebrities. Quite frankly, there are bigger stars in Miami, and people there don't really care who the Hurricane football players are.
- danielrh9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Just curious, does anyone know of the involvement of this particular player during the brawl with Florida International?
- grinin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow. I can't believe that someone gets shot and people are on here laughing and making jokes and *****. To everyone who made a joke in a comment, I hope you get shot outside your ***** house tonight and then we can all blog and comment on how pathetic your life was.
This man was a great lineman, and this has nothing to do with any FIU brawl. However speaking about the brawl, FIU had been playing dirty the duration of the game, I would know I was there. They were dropping late hits way after plays were over, and they were getting penalized all over the field. Then when they all jumped our field goal holder, of course the team is going to come off the bench and whoop some ass. ITs football, there is a lot of testosterone out there, and when someone gets hurt or someone picks on one of your players you react as a team. ITs not the first time this has happened in college ball or football in general so drop the "Thug U" crap.
I will agree that Coker should be fired (www.cokermustgo.com -- gets a plug because he needs to go!) But to blame this homicide on the player himself is just absurd.
May he rest in peace, and hopefully they find his killer so theres on less piece of ***** here on the streets of Miami.
Again, ***** any of you who laughed, or cracked a joke about someones death. It really goes to show you how ***** truly moronic people can be on the internet. - rfaraj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I hear what you are saying mbthompson, but do you really agree that...."And so, it really doesn’t matter why Pata was shot or by whom.". Why doesn't it matter? Because you are implying he was a thug? Look at the current top 25. Every team has thugs. Why? Because thugs help win football games. You take the good with the bad.
- ShakeWell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lol, udder
- gconeen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2he was a better human than you, he had talent and potential, and you have a computer, a keyboard, and too much time to complain about things like this.
- mmortal03, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Miami should stop recruiting street thugs, or these kinds of problems will continue to happen and more frequently."
The University of Miami recruits the same type of players nationally that the rest of the country does. There isn't some sort of lesser standard at Miami where they choose to recruit players with attitudes. Miami has had less problems off the field with arrests than most other major football universities, in the history of the program. Miami has just had a ton of notable on-field related issues that have been very visible. There needs to be some lifestyle advice given to some of our players, because I think that they more visibly represent the university. I think that some of our players' have an entitlement complex that needs to be rectified, especially since these aren't the players that produced the previous national titles. This might also carry into how they deal with situations off the field. I still don't know whether that would have mattered in this particular incident, though. - larowebr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What a horrible thing to have happen to anyone, regardless of whether or not we believe the program had it coming. But bottom line, you're absolutely right. The University of Miami has some serious problems. If Miami refuses to investigate and change, the NCAA needs to investigate and force change.
- iNoles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As a FSU fan, i love to bash Miami if i want to. This is tragedy. R.I.P Bryan Pata and his family. :(
- keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1as a Miami resident, I can tell you that it had little to do with who they recruit and a lot more to do with what the players think is cool in Miami and who they hang out with. This would never happen at say Ohio State because Columbus, Ohio isn't nicknamed Vice City.
- umiami91, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When people can say things anonymously, they are generally willing to go beyond what they would say face-to-face. Really pathetic.
I truly feel for Bryan Pata's family - both blood and football. - wordsthatendini, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3It's horrible that this "football" player was gunned down, and I'm sure he is a stand-up individual helping with his community and tutoring grade schoolers. Doing everything that embodies football and college athletics. God knows he wasn't a gang-banger who let his ability go to his head and got himself into trouble.
How about some news about people that actually matter... like people taking the time to help someone out. I could really care less about some football player from a university that can't graduate 10% of this athletes. - Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1actually, miami is 67%, not 87.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/9106181 - riverawynter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Let me just quote Mr. Mandel to all of you that like to criticize the U.
"You might not believe this -- you might not want to believe this -- but over the past decade, Miami has had fewer player arrests or NCAA-related incidents than almost any other major program in the country. Miami has not had 20-plus incidents involving shoplifting, assault, gun charges and failed drug tests over the past two years, as Tennessee has. Miami has not had to dismiss a star player for earning money through a phony job, as Oklahoma has. Miami has not had a star linebacker accused of sexual assault on the eve of its bowl game as Florida State did last year. And Miami's most recent Academic Progress Rate (956) placed it in the top 20 to 30 percent of all Division I football programs."
Enough said. - kjizzle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Miami's football program needs to be examined. Something's not right when people on a team are consistently being murdered.
In other news, Virginia Tech > Miami. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4This is what happens when you recruit a lot of gangbangers.
- Moloth, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7NFL, i could see.. but College ball? WHY? 22 years old and snuffed out... not cool.
- Joins700, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3This is really sad. Bryan had a lot of potential to be a serviceable Lineman in the NFL. I just cant fathom what would prompt someone to do such a thing. It an udder tragedy and I hope the shooter rots in hell.
- Skinner72, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3I hate to say it in light of this young mans tragic death but that program has always been full of thugs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2People die across the world every day.
Why is this (seemingly) more news worthy than someone elses death? Because he's a ***** football player? Pffffffffft.
Tragic? Yes. Do I care? No. If I cared about every tragic death across the globe I'd be curled up in a wimpering ball and never able to get out of bed. Sorry, cold fact I guess. - Porkgod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Miami gets away with a hell of a lot. After the brawl they shouldn't have been allowed to play the rest of the season. Plus, you don't think a high profile school like Miami doesn't have boosters breaking the rules and doing the things you mentioned?
- Conwaysb0718, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1i just figured he was "keepin' it real."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+11thugs
- Joins700, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1That is a travesty of journalism that guy is a creep.
- DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Gang warfare comes to college football.And in other news...
- Joel32, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Even though he had nothing to do with it, just another reason Coker is gone at the end of the season.
- veled, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1Good Lord, who'd want to do that? The Yellow Jackets didn't beat them THAT badly...
- macfanboi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0FIU IN DA HOUSE!!!!
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